RE: [WSG] Siter Review Please
Title: RE: [WSG] Siter Review Please OUCH! Mr. Meyer has a "If you can't say anything nice, don't say anything at all" rule on his list. Is that in effect here as well?? Perhaps a recommendation to http://webdesign-L.com would have been nicer... At 4:42 PM +1100 12/2/04, Cook, Graham R wrote: In one word - crap! basic problems include: <...> And that's just a start from a cursory look From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 1:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WSG] Siter Review Please I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but still I would like some criticism please. J.LinasDesign Graphic Designer http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ -- - Tom Livingston Senior Multimedia Artist mlinc.com
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
must resist feel a font debate coming on.. serif vs. sans-serif. ughh!!! the pain!!! My 2 cents about people not really being interested in code. I disagree. Totally. Good code for consumers [buzz-word for users not of the elicit drug kind, don't know where I picked it up, but man, talk about cool] means faster downloads, quicker/better rendering in _any_ UA, which means better experience. Good on you Jason for getting rid of the splash page, but I am wondering why you are asking for feedback again when you have not implemented very much from the feedback to your post from yesterday? All the feedback said your site was pretty. But, your site still does not function any better than it did yesterday apart from saving me one click and half a minute of my attention sp Natalie Buxton wrote: I'm far from the best designer around, but I'll try and give you some constructive feedback. 1. From a design angle, the page is lovely to look at (see, we can be nice here!). 2. Using tables for layout is totalyl unnecessary and totally against what this list is about. 3. Use of spans when you could just style the actual table, tr, td or p tags etc. 4. Use of br when you used spans - use divs instead to create a break or use CSS to insert margin/padding 5. Alt text on images that are spacers - they don't need alt text at all. (Its bad enough that they are used as it is). 6. Tried to check out your hot logo design with images turned off, but the page tells me nothing about what I would be looking at. Who was the client? what was the project? were their limitations or awards involved? Because you are a graphic designer, and not a web designer I'm not going to go all our like Graham of Telstra and say "Crap". That's harsh and really not constructive. I also feel your use of serif fonts is fine, as long as you keep it for headings and never use it for paragraph text. HTH Natalie On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:47:21 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but still I would like some criticism please. J.LinasDesign Graphic Designer http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ -- *** Are you in the Wellington area and interested in web standards? Wellington Web Standards Group inaugural meeting 9 Dec 2004. See http://webstandardsgroup.org/go/event24.cfm for details *** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Siter Review Please
So much for "harsh" criticism. I must confess Telstra's site is no better, it still uses tables for layout. However we are addressing this at substantial cost. One of our biggest problems though is in dealing with design companies who profess that they are aware of our standards and accessibility requirement then go and build sites just like this one. Web standards is not just a "nice to have". These days with the DDA (Disability Discrimination Act) online requirement it is an essential cornerstone of web design. IMHO all graphic designers and other developers who develop for the web, be they coders or not, should attend a course on web standards and accessible design. Graham Cook -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Natalie Buxton Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 5:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please I'm far from the best designer around, but I'll try and give you some constructive feedback. 1. From a design angle, the page is lovely to look at (see, we can be nice here!). 2. Using tables for layout is totalyl unnecessary and totally against what this list is about. 3. Use of spans when you could just style the actual table, tr, td or p tags etc. 4. Use of br when you used spans - use divs instead to create a break or use CSS to insert margin/padding 5. Alt text on images that are spacers - they don't need alt text at all. (Its bad enough that they are used as it is). 6. Tried to check out your hot logo design with images turned off, but the page tells me nothing about what I would be looking at. Who was the client? what was the project? were their limitations or awards involved? Because you are a graphic designer, and not a web designer I'm not going to go all our like Graham of Telstra and say "Crap". That's harsh and really not constructive. I also feel your use of serif fonts is fine, as long as you keep it for headings and never use it for paragraph text. HTH Natalie On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:47:21 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my > site if possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed > in tables but still I would like some criticism please. > > J.LinasDesign > Graphic Designer > http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ > -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help ** ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
On 2 Dec 2004, at 4:42 PM, Cook, Graham R wrote: In one word - crap! Nah, don't stuff around... tell us what you think! N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
I'm far from the best designer around, but I'll try and give you some constructive feedback. 1. From a design angle, the page is lovely to look at (see, we can be nice here!). 2. Using tables for layout is totalyl unnecessary and totally against what this list is about. 3. Use of spans when you could just style the actual table, tr, td or p tags etc. 4. Use of br when you used spans - use divs instead to create a break or use CSS to insert margin/padding 5. Alt text on images that are spacers - they don't need alt text at all. (Its bad enough that they are used as it is). 6. Tried to check out your hot logo design with images turned off, but the page tells me nothing about what I would be looking at. Who was the client? what was the project? were their limitations or awards involved? Because you are a graphic designer, and not a web designer I'm not going to go all our like Graham of Telstra and say "Crap". That's harsh and really not constructive. I also feel your use of serif fonts is fine, as long as you keep it for headings and never use it for paragraph text. HTH Natalie On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:47:21 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if > possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but > still I would like some criticism please. > > J.LinasDesign > Graphic Designer > http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ > -- Website Designer/Developer www.nataliebuxton.com ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
Colleagues, I stand corrected. Peter Blakey Project Officer (On-Line Learning) Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 CRICOS: 4G, 00112C, 00873F, 00885B 1100 Nudgee Road Banyo Queensland 4014 Telephone: (07) 3623 7421 Facsimile : (07) 3623 7397 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEING PRESENT "I am therefore you are In the present Of the present we are." - GURANU ANJALI Rtu: Meditation Poems (Amityville, N.Y.: Vajra Printing and Publishing, abridged ed 1995) p.97. Jixor - Stephen I <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 02/12/2004 02:46 PM Please respond to wsg To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject: Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please This is however the WSG mail list so you should comment on the coding. Peter Blakey wrote: Jason, It looks O.K. The navigation presents no major drama. No, I am not sure why you've designed the site, other than self promotion, but is that an issue. I can't and won't comment on the coding - on the basis that the av erage punter doesn't care, so lojng as they don't get lost. Peter Blakey Project Officer (On-Line Learning) Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 CRICOS: 4G, 00112C, 00873F, 00885B 1100 Nudgee Road Banyo Queensland 4014 Telephone: (07) 3623 7421 Facsimile : (07) 3623 7397 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEING PRESENT "I am therefore you are In the present Of the present we are." - GURANU ANJALI Rtu: Meditation Poems (Amityville, N.Y.: Vajra Printing and Publishing, abridged ed 1995) p.97. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
RE: [WSG] Siter Review Please
In one word - crap! basic problems include: Use of tables Fonts don't resize Use of images for textural links Erroneous tag in code Use of one large image for Bio details No way to get back to home page Use of serif fonts No ALT attributes for Branding images New browser window popup without notification Re-use of popup window name without testing for existence thus sending popup window in background No close button on popup Inconsistencies between link text and ALT text And that's just a start from a cursory look Graham Cook Standards Manager - Content IntegrityData & OnlineTelstra Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Thursday, 2 December 2004 1:47 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [WSG] Siter Review Please I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but still I would like some criticism please. J.LinasDesignGraphic Designerhttp://www.jlinasdesign.com/
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
This is however the WSG mail list so you should comment on the coding. Peter Blakey wrote: Jason, It looks O.K. The navigation presents no major drama. No, I am not sure why you've designed the site, other than self promotion, but is that an issue. I can't and won't comment on the coding - on the basis that the av erage punter doesn't care, so lojng as they don't get lost. Peter Blakey Project Officer (On-Line Learning) Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 CRICOS: 4G, 00112C, 00873F, 00885B 1100 Nudgee Road Banyo Queensland 4014 Telephone: (07) 3623 7421 Facsimile : (07) 3623 7397 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEING PRESENT "I am therefore you are In the present Of the present we are." - GURANU ANJALI Rtu: Meditation Poems (Amityville, N.Y.: Vajra Printing and Publishing, abridged ed 1995) p.97. ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
Jason, It looks O.K. The navigation presents no major drama. No, I am not sure why you've designed the site, other than self promotion, but is that an issue. I can't and won't comment on the coding - on the basis that the av erage punter doesn't care, so lojng as they don't get lost. Peter Blakey Project Officer (On-Line Learning) Australian Catholic University Limited ABN 15 050 192 660 CRICOS: 4G, 00112C, 00873F, 00885B 1100 Nudgee Road Banyo Queensland 4014 Telephone: (07) 3623 7421 Facsimile : (07) 3623 7397 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] BEING PRESENT "I am therefore you are In the present Of the present we are." - GURANU ANJALI Rtu: Meditation Poems (Amityville, N.Y.: Vajra Printing and Publishing, abridged ed 1995) p.97.
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
On 2 Dec 2004, at 1:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but still I would like some criticism please. J.LinasDesign Graphic Designer http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ Your front page contains this: WHO IS THIS GUY? WHAT IS J.LINASDESIGN? A designer who believes in quality work produced on a budget time. Versatility in both web and print and the willingness to go the extra mile to get the job done. Not only semantically null tag soup, but neither of the two sentences of actual content are grammatically correct. You lost me right there. Suggest you do some research into this stuff, and code a site that is at least an honest attempt to conform to the ethos of what this list is about before you ask for a critique. Try starting with Jeffrey's excellent book 'Designing with Web Standards'. Sorry to be blunt, but you're talking to people who are *always* going to look under the hood, here. You need to cut the noise so your signal comes through more clearly. HTH N ___ Omnivision. Websight. http://www.omnivision.com.au/ ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
To be honest dude that was not rude at all but that was probably the best suggestion that I have received thus far thank you. J.LinasDesignGraphic Designerhttp://www.jlinasdesign.com/
Re: [WSG] Siter Review Please
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 21:47:21 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I just want to get some feedback about aesthetics and design on my site if > possible please and also the funcionality. Yes it is designed in tables but > still I would like some criticism please. > > J.LinasDesign > Graphic Designer > http://www.jlinasdesign.com/ i don't mean to be rude, but this list is not about aesthetics and design as such. why are you submitting an invalid, non-semantic site to the Web Standards Group? ... now, if you were to show this as the "before" stage of a "before and after" demonstration of reworking a site with web standards, that would be interesting ** The discussion list for http://webstandardsgroup.org/ See http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm for some hints on posting to the list & getting help **
