Re: [9fans] GSoC 2021 project ideas

2021-08-06 Thread Jack Johnson
Anyone know if this project went anywhere? https://www.cs.cmu.edu/~412/lectures/L05_Purge_Proposal.pdf A Hellaphone revisit. On Mon, Feb 1, 2021 at 12:48 PM sirjofri wrote: > Hello, > > many many really cool ideas. Most of them get a big heart icon, but I > don't want to repeat your ideas. So

[9fans] FOIA request?

2019-11-24 Thread Jack Johnson
This is interesting: *"Pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act, I hereby request the following records:* *Records, emails, memos and reports relating to or mentioning the operating system Plan 9 from Bell Labs"* https://www.muckrock.com/foi/united-states-of-america-10/foia-cia-plan-9-from-b

Re: [9fans] smtpd in modern times.

2016-02-07 Thread Jack Johnson
I'm not running one (at the moment), but I think there's an stunnel port for Plan 9, and that could be an easy way to duct tape TLS support onto your existing setup. -Jack On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 2:29 PM Steve Simon wrote: > I have been running my a smtp server on plan9 for about > 10 years but

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:38 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Yes... But this is also why, concurrently, work has to be done to get > > rid of some unnecessities: that documents produced on Plan9 be viewable > > on Plan9 with only Plan9 means (external documents are another problem). > > ghostscript

Re: [9fans] anyone attempted to build ghostscript recently?

2013-05-03 Thread Jack Johnson
Is a PS/PDF library something that might benefit from reconstruction in Go? Or is it just a spaghetti mess?

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > This is an outrage. I was promised html parsing and in-line images with > cat. Best mailing list message ever. :) -J

Re: [9fans] 9atom

2013-01-04 Thread Jack Johnson
On Jan 4, 2013 10:07 AM, "Richard Miller" <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > It contains the full file system from the Plan 9 CD image, > > unmodified, except a single line change in the kernel binary. > > I can't contain my curiosity: what's the line? > > I once worked with a colleague who had a su

Re: [9fans] iwp9

2012-11-19 Thread Jack Johnson
Traditional names always have the edge: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kwigillingok,_Alaska I think the Yup'ik are half-Welsh. ;) -Jack On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 08:26:32AM -0800, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > > > > Yeah, we probably do need more

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-09-14 Thread Jack Johnson
Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. -Jack

Re: [9fans] I will buy laptop pre-installed with plan9!!!

2012-05-17 Thread Jack Johnson
Quick tangent, is there anyone out there whose favorite environment is non-native? Maybe 9vx or plan9ports on specific hardware? Your secret sam port to Windows 8's Metro UI? For all I know, plan9ports full screen on a MacBook Air is Glenda's Elysian field. Maybe something dual-screen with Chrome

Re: [9fans] octopus paper

2012-03-02 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 12:37 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > Given the lag in publication, this system is no longer under development > (though we are still using it), but here's a paper about the Octopus. Hey Francisco, First, I really like the ideas in Octopus. I think it was extremely we

Re: [9fans] Some things never change

2012-02-23 Thread Jack Johnson
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > pfft.  we've always had find.  we've just called it "du". It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it that way on Linux. -Jack

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Floren wrote: > We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now > we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry > about the name. If you need yet another proposal that would Google with minimal collisions, it's possib

Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9

2011-07-02 Thread Jack Johnson
On Sat, Jul 2, 2011 at 8:29 AM, dexen deVries wrote: > disclaimer: i'm not a plan 9 person for any viable value of `p9 person' I'm in the same boat, but I aspire to be in the other boat. :) -Jack

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

2011-06-21 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 9:42 AM, errno wrote: > On Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:20:27 AM Jack Johnson wrote: >> which is why I find it hard to get hot headed over any of the assertions, >> but tend toward trusting the research. >> > What research? The rabbit hole is pretty d

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users not believe it

2011-06-21 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 8:48 AM, William Cowan wrote: > Sample tasks at random you say. What is the correct universe to sample > if we wish to substantiate the sort of categorical assertions made on > this thread? Also, familiar vs unfamiliar tasks using familiar vs unfamiliar software. The numbe

Re: [9fans] Go/Inferno toolchain (Was: comment and newline in

2010-06-29 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 9:48 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > FTS, I'm interesting in getting Go here because I'm going to write > the i.e. window system (successor of o/live, o/mero, ...) also in go, to run > at least the viewer native on unix systems. The C version is still cooking. Is ther

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

2010-05-26 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Corey wrote: > No doubt - MS and FSF are clearly in the same camp. Allies even! Heck, > one might even go so far as to venture the notion that they're practically > bedfellows. I'm just noting that usually licensing is looked at as a continuum of commercial vs fr

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

2010-05-26 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Nick LaForge wrote: >>Kinda puts MS and EFF in the same camp. > > You mean FSF? Whoops, yes, FSF. -Jack

Re: [9fans] license situation and OSI

2010-05-26 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 4:42 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: >>You don't get to change the license > > ``3. REQUIREMENTS > A. Distributor may choose to distribute the Program in any form under > this Agreement or under its own license agreement, provided that: >        ... >  c. if distributed under Di

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-18 Thread Jack Johnson
On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Federico G. Benavento wrote: > p2c (pascal 2 c) Anyone ever peek at one of the Oberon to C compliers? Or maybe the Oxford stuff? http://spivey.oriel.ox.ac.uk/corner/Oxford_Oberon-2_compiler -Jack

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-17 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:29 PM, wrote: > very little new is being created, but rather many old things are being > "improved" upon (regurgitated) in manners that consume more and more > computing cycles and deliver less and less performance. I think this is an important observation. When I saw

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

2010-04-17 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:41 PM, wrote: > Polluting Plan 9 with fashionable toys isn't going to save the > world, isn't even going to be useful to the existing Plan 9 community, > so why do you believe it should happen, rather than allow Plan 9 as it > exists, both as a philosophy and as the imp

Re: [9fans] TeX: hurrah!

2010-04-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > Object-Orientation reduces static provability. True (or true enough)? Not to engender a flame war, but my gut says there must be some Eiffel, Smalltalk, and LISP folk out there who are big on provability, but I can imagine that there's a ca

Re: [9fans] tinycore 9vx .tce on sources

2010-04-03 Thread Jack Johnson
On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 2:52 PM, ron minnich wrote: > --rw-r--r-- M 26 rminnich sys8805 Apr 3 17:41 > /n/sources/contrib/rminnich/9vx.tce > Wild. I've been screwing around with a tinycore terminal server in a couple of VMs and I was planning on building a TCE for 9vx after this weekend's Eas

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

2010-03-30 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > around with relatively few upgrades for the past 420 billion years or s/billion/million/ -Jack

Re: [9fans] Plan ? (was: native install)

2010-03-30 Thread Jack Johnson
On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 6:17 PM, Patrick Kelly wrote: > Read up on why Plan 9 was written. We've been succeeding for 20 years so > far. I think this is an interesting comment in light of the evolution thread. Most people (incorrectly) equate evolution with progress. Whether or not other more pop

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

2010-03-28 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > try as you might, the irony is unescapable (see the attached "helpful" > suggestion by google). It sounds like a competition. "Write a program that, when translated by Google into Czech, still produces valid output." -Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-24 Thread Jack Johnson
Thanks to Google's targeted ads: http://www.eglobalwireless.com/p-4333-new-7-mini-netbook-laptop-notebook-wifi-windows-2gb-hd.aspx Also might make a good Inferno device if WinCE isn't too firmly ensconced. -Jack

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-17 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 5:57 AM, Stuart Morrow wrote: > However, there is one "smart" feature that for me would be useful enough that > carrying a big chunky thing that lives for a quarter of a day on battery might > actually be worth it, and the feature is so damn trivial to do with Plan 9 - > se

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 8:10 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > Off-topic-ish, that 320x240 screen is probably the biggest challenge, > trying to find some usable UI in that space. I think the idea of a > native Inferno port is great. Sorry, last of the blather. It also seems ideal for Octop

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM,   wrote: >>> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ >> >> Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist. > >

Re: [9fans] more little hardware

2010-03-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 5:54 AM, wrote: >> http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/15/qi-hardwares-tiny-hackable-ben-nanonote-now-shipping/ > > Okay, Maht.  You just cost me $125 :)  I just couldn't resist. I was wondering how you'd network one of those things: http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Wi-Fi_in_N

Re: [9fans] evoluent mouse review

2010-01-05 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 8:20 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > i just did. acme isn't seeing any mouse clicks from a macbook's > trackpad. i'll take a look and report in more detail in a bit. I'll have to give that a try. It seems acme + trackpad isn't always fun, but my brain loves a trackpad for s

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-26 Thread Jack Johnson
If I'm reading you right, you're saying it might be easier if everything were encoded as combining (or maybe more aptly non-combining) codes, regardless of language? So, we might encode 'Waffles' as w+upper a f f l e s and let the renderer (if there is one) handle the presentation of the case shif

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-20 Thread Jack Johnson
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > on coraid's worm, a find on main takes not too long: > > minooka; cd /n/ila > minooka; time rc -c 'find . | wc' >  356164  356164 13987863 > 1.24u 1.38s 6.65r        rc -c find . | wc The FAQ also mentions: du -a . | grep foo Just out of c

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 2:10 PM, wrote: > Which model of USB audio?  Is it something available on Amazon? Looks like this might be the new version of the Turtle Beach Audio Advantage: http://www.amazon.com/Audio-Advantage-Micro-Sound-Card/dp/B0002ICGDY Hopefully it works as well. -Jack --

Re: [9fans] plan 9 interface color ergonomy

2009-07-10 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Jason Catena wrote: > Rob explains the fonts and colors (inspired by Tufte, no less) a bit > in this reposted message, and mentions Renee French. I wonder if Renee would be interested to know this particular color palette is an ongoing point of discussion? -Jack

Re: [9fans] Plan9 as an everyday OS

2009-07-10 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 8:05 AM, Lorenzo Bolla wrote: > Is anyone using it for such things? Some of us either do different things day-to-day or have found workarounds or alternatives to the way people usually enjoy the Internet and their attached computers. Without (or until) a change of mindset,

Re: [9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-09 Thread Jack Johnson
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 1:34 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > the problem i have with "literate programming" is that it > tends to treat code like a terse and difficult-to-understand > footnote. And thus, we have literate programming meets APL. ;) -Jack

Re: [9fans] Rails? (was Re: web server)

2009-04-16 Thread Jack Johnson
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote: > Is Rails even necessary? If all you have is an object, everything looks like a method. ;) -J

Re: [9fans] GSOC: Drawterm for the iPhone

2009-03-30 Thread Jack Johnson
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Uriel wrote: > How many people can actually claim that they will for certain use such > iphone drawterm? Because the idea of using rio or acme from a > touchscreen doesn't seem very practical to me (to put it very mildly). Is there a similar project that would be

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

2009-03-19 Thread Jack Johnson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Jack Johnson wrote: > There's some reseller in the U.K., I think.  Let me see if I can dig it up. Whoops, wrong country: http://www.tekmote.nl/epages/61504599.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61504599/Categories/%22Lemote%20product%22 -Jack

Re: [9fans] I can not remember if I sent this or not: MIPS-64 (sort

2009-03-19 Thread Jack Johnson
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 6:49 PM, wrote: > I found this a couple months ago and showed it to Ron, tried to get a > quote or some info on buying them but nobody even replied to my email. > Can you even get them in China?  Are they even being produced? There's some reseller in the U.K., I think. L

Re: [9fans] jjm

2009-03-07 Thread Jack Johnson
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:38 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote: > found object ... > > http://www.chunder.com/text/struggle.html Absolutely priceless. The last line is the winner. -J

Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

2008-12-26 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's "Coffee and > Cigarettes" has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda? Interesting movie. Parts of it I dearly love, other parts not so much. A lot like Night on Earth, whe

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

2008-11-21 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:52 PM, Jack Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > and then it follows up with: > > GO TO > https://www.google.com/accounts/'http:/mail.google.com/mail/h/19sso9tatmt7r/?ui=html&zy=l' > > which doesn't seem to match the contin

Re: [9fans] Gmail and upas

2008-11-21 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:43 AM, Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > seems you use IMAP to read gmail. I usually read my gmail mail through > my web browser, which is not a problem from opera/firefox in linux. > However, I can't do the same from plan9. Neither abaco, nor charon > work. Is th

Re: [9fans] plan9 now officially not the OS with the ugliest GUI anymore

2008-11-19 Thread Jack Johnson
I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own. -J

Re: [9fans] An Observation

2008-11-14 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 11:46 AM, David Leimbach <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dang, in a pinch I'll even eat at McDonalds... I think I booted McOS this morning -J

Re: [9fans] An Observation

2008-11-14 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 7:38 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > There are those that say too many cooks spoil the broth. > > This isn't our problem. > > Our problem is that we have a kitchen full of food critics attempting > to direct the cooks. Is it good or bad that we keep eat

Re: [9fans] Amazon EC2?

2008-11-12 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Roman V. Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Amazon prescreen the kernel that you can use there, but! > As was suggested by Richard Miller, if Plan9 can be > a target of kexec -- the sky is the limit. I thought I read they were using Xen? What's the relationsh

[9fans] Amazon EC2?

2008-11-11 Thread Jack Johnson
Has anyone tried injecting a Plan 9 instance into the new Amazon cloud? http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ -Jack

Re: [9fans] Time travel

2008-11-04 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Make that "Get off of my Wifi!" Those crazy kids with their Hulu loops. -J

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Blue Gene

2008-07-30 Thread Jack Johnson
On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 7:10 AM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In the HPC world, there is lots of conservatism. There is an editor at > LANL, named Fred, written in Fortran, that has been in use for longer > than most of you have been alive. Until very recently, it was a > required part

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

2008-07-01 Thread Jack Johnson
On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 7:20 AM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > That means that Plan 9 is like porn for hackers. > Now when can I get that on a t-shirt? :) -J