Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

On Mon, Oct 07, 2024 at 06:59:23AM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: > i can confirm vic is human and predates LLMs by many years. he has been a > contributor to plan9 for as long as i can remember. Where did he copy and paste the contributions from before LLMs? khm

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

On Fri, Oct 04, 2024 at 03:51:13PM +0900, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > I'm relieved this mailing list focuses on Plan 9, not 9front, since I don't > use 9front. I submitted two patches today—no armchair engineers around here. I hope that you learn nobody wants your LLM output quickly enou

Re: [9fans] V Programming Language (vlang)

I look forward to end of the "what C needs is more bureaucracy" era of programming language design. I note that the linked discussion starts out with someone stating a concrete goal which would justify porting a language to a platform, and the following recommendation of V is primarily vibe-based.

Re: [9fans] plan9port changes to rc and acme

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 09:52:58AM -0400, Russ Cox wrote: > Hi all, > > In plan9port, back in 2020, I wrote a new parser in rc to clean up a few > things, most notably that = signs are now allowed in command arguments. > This makes rc much nicer for using programs with -foo=bar flag syntax. It > w

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 02:50:55PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > I am sharing my perspective, but it seems you disagree with my viewpoint and > want to label me negatively. Is this how your group handles differing > opinions? This approach to community engagement is called "DARVO."

Re: [9fans] Where can I find active Plan 9 communities for support and collaboration?

On Sun, Aug 04, 2024 at 02:27:58PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > From a newcomer's perspective, it feels like dealing with a cult run by scam > artists. It seems someone wants to profit from me by selling books on Amazon, > like a multi-level marketing group. People say others here

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:27:14PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > khm, you can think whatever you like. If true, then all you can do is let it > be. I don't need your permission to think whatever I like, and there are tons of other things I can do, like informing you that you're a us

Re: [9fans] venti/mirrorarenas usage

On Sat, Aug 03, 2024 at 02:10:43PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > >     cron '*/5 * * * * fs(3) -m /dev/sdE0/arena /dev/sdE1/arena' > When you generate bullshit with an LLM and then post it without reading it, nobody thinks the LLM is stupid. We think *you* are stupid. khm --

Re: [9fans] Re: venti/mirrorarenas usage

On Wed, Jul 31, 2024 at 10:34:29PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > I'm working to find an answer for Marco despite hardware issues. I hope to > replace my mainboard when funds allow. Trying is better than not trying. If > Marco gets a fair answer, we're done. Until then, let's get him

Re: [9fans] Re: venti/mirrorarenas usage

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 09:33:31PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > I did all the work myself. If you choose to be dismissive, that is your > prerogative. The original question remains unanswered; you have only > complained and criticized, doing little to address it. Vic? Is that you

Re: [9fans] Re: venti/mirrorarenas usage

On Tue, Jul 30, 2024 at 08:09:44PM -0400, kalona.ayeli...@fastmail.us wrote: > Please elaborate on any issues you find in my work and explain where I am > wrong. Why? So you can type that into an LLM prompt as well? kalona ayeliski are supposed to torture dying people, not computer mailing list

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 07:32:18AM -0400, pl...@room3420.net wrote: > an other interesting reading : > https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/critical-analysis-9front-community-conflict-vester-thacker-htt3f?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_more-articles_related-content-card I love this article very much. U

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 02:22:01PM +, Samuel Reader via 9fans wrote: > The 2nd draft is out. I've made some corrections as mentioned by others, and > I have added those who have helped to the acknowledgements. This draft is > only for those that are interested in the content. If you are not i

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:54:41PM -0400, Don Bailey wrote: > You handwave insults off by pretending like they aren't directed at the > exact person you're responding to :-) > > It's quite tiresome, and yet persistent. When else has it happened? Do I always do it? Are there firmware differences

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 12:20:04PM -0400, Don Bailey wrote: > Again, this is a core example I'm talking about. In this email you've > called me gross, a bootlicker, etc, while ignoring my concerns and brushing > them off as "emotional". What part of "not directed at you, Don" did you fail to parse

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:53:28AM -0400, Don Bailey wrote: > It's not gaslighting to ask for evidence. I was here, I remember the > complains with Fossil. But to what degree was that /actually/ Fossil? What > degree was it the configurations, the hardware, the firmware, the > consistency of manage

Re: [9fans] List of companies that use Plan 9.

On Wed, May 15, 2024 at 11:20:48AM -0400, Don Bailey wrote: > But please document them and provide rationale/evidence for their removal. You've been on this list a while. You should remember therefore that Fossil was a *constant* topic of debate here for *years*. Specifically, people

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:18:54AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > You really should read the GPL. Your changes were included with GPL'ed code > even in the same file and not distributed as independent patches so the > modified work as a whole got infected by the GPL license. This is explicitl

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 02:04:24AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > > There are many companies who double license code. As the owners of such code > they are free to do this. Users can't relicense code as they please > especially not GPL licensed code. At no point did we 'relicense' anything.

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 01:54:27AM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > > Please correct me if I'm wrong. > Happily. Here's the original revision of /lib/legal/NOTICE: http://code.9front.org/hg/plan9front/file/944787349e93/lib/legal/NOTICE > The Plan 9 software is provided under the terms of th

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 11:52:29PM -0400, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > > You ignore copyrights as you please and distributed 9front under an MIT > license long before Nokia as the owner of it decided to do so. You did > that at a time when plan9 was placed under GPL. You have apparently not read

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 11:46:59AM +0930, clinton wrote: > I await the scorching flames for my great impudence of interjecting into a > vociferous discussion with such a pragmatic tangent! If you don't intend to have anything hanging out with a direct internet connection, just use whatever looks c

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 09:46:12PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: > > So what is it, exactly, that people want? The only people who feel like there's some conflict to resolve are people who do not use the software and have nothing to offer except for social commentary. This "us vs them" shit is only of

Re: [9fans] Balancing Progress and Accessibility in the Plan 9 Community. (Was: [9fans] Interoperating between 9legacy and 9front)

On Mon, May 13, 2024 at 09:21:20AM +0900, vester.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > unclear who exactly is responsible. Typically, a team of two or more > individuals would focus on these deliverables. nobody is "responsible" and there are no "deliverables" the people who covet bureaucracy have on

Re: [9fans] one weird trick to break p9sk1 ?

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 02:16:47PM +0100, Richard Miller wrote: > > That's quadrillions of years. Not what most people would call "trivial". > And that's generously assuming the implementation of meet-in-the-middle > is zero cost. Without meet-in-the-middle, we're looking at a 168-bit > keyspace a

Re: [9fans] How to PXE boot with "two" DHCP servers on one network

On Mon, Mar 25, 2024 at 04:52:29PM +0100, Marco Feichtinger wrote: > My router at home also serves as the DHCP server for the network. > > I have a plan9 file server and now want to pxe boot a second machine from it. > On the file server I have 'ip/dhcpd -sS' running, since it also serves bootp >

Re: [9fans] Re: broken link in cat-v

On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 06:04:33PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > Thanks, but I don't know who owns that site these dayse. I'll forward to > the 9fans mailing list. > > -rob > > > On Sat, Feb 10, 2024 at 6:20 AM Douglas McIlroy < > douglas.mcil...@dartmouth.edu> wrote: > > > The link to plan 9 from o

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 11:44:34AM -0500, Don Bailey wrote: > I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it. This tracks. Thanks for your insight. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Me13

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 06:17:39AM +0900, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > However, it is challenging for me to engage effectively in a community > when there's no unified vision to align with. We all like Plan 9. Identify the people who like the same things about Plan 9 that you like about Plan

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 10:49:33PM -0500, Don A. Bailey wrote: > I use it. It’s also my advice. It wasn’t “advice” from Rob, it was a design > choice. There’s more value in that than “advice”. It's a design choice nobody can implement, because it presumes that the starting point is correct enoug

Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 08:53:30PM -0500, Don A. Bailey wrote: > Tbf I took it as genuine. > > One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases > should not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the > network. I think if 9 lives on it should be that wa

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation is a 501(c)(3)

On Tue, Dec 12, 2023 at 07:22:01PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote: >Since announcing the Plan 9 Foundation, folks have asked how they can >support our work. We’ve had that “on hold” until we had a bunch of >organizational things sorted. We’re very pleased to say that the last big >one

Re: [9fans] Problem with outputing from kernel

On Wed, Oct 04, 2023 at 07:18:23AM -0400, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote: > Also I was doing with tail -f /dev/kmesg in the background and without that > /dev/kmesg loses the start of output up to some random moment where it shows > it. Could the problem be that i have too many outputs? try tail +0f

Re: [9fans] Plan9 multi-core support

On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 12:32:55PM +, G B via 9fans wrote: > Windows and Linux began on single-core single processor machines. > Multiprocessor had been around for some time--IBM's System 360 began using > multi-processors in 1968--but not for x86. Plan 9 first edition came out in > 1992, a

Re: [9fans] How do I build from source on linux?

On Thu, Jun 15, 2023 at 01:46:17PM -0400, dusan3...@gmail.com wrote: > Research Researching what? "The effects of using build systems I don't like: an empirical approach" khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T5b2523de4ef

Re: [9fans] iwp9: call for papers

On Thu, Feb 02, 2023 at 02:06:41PM -0500, Marshall Conover wrote: > > I see in the "important dates" the "Camera-ready version" for March 13th, > but I'm not sure what that refers to. > "Camera-ready" is a publishing term which means the document is fully typeset and ready to be printed. It dat

Re: [9fans] discord invite link (was: sirjofri's Annual Christmas (and New-Year) Post)

On Wed, Dec 28, 2022 at 12:02:08PM +0900, vic.thac...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > Dr. Strangedev or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love GitHub > > --Vic You should switch to GMail. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T

Re: [9fans] Trouble compiling "Hello, world"

On Tue, Aug 02, 2022 at 05:38:39AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > It's a shame that the SDF wiki > (https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=vps_-_plan_9_9front) returns a > missing page. Looks like it just got moved: https://wiki.sdf.org/doku.php?id=plan_9_9front khm --

Re: [9fans] 9front, git and mercurial.

On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 02:12:47PM -0400, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: > Related question I can't seem to track down an answer to: > > I have a 9front cluster which was set up back when Mercurial was used, > so that is what sysupdate is looking for. > > I finally realized that I am no longer seein

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 12:00:02AM +, Stuart Morrow wrote: > > I'm aware. I meant the intended use by the people who designed it. I > wouldn't call a number pad a pointing device just because it can be > used as one. > Apologies to Ted Selker, but it's a poor tool that only functions in acco

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Tue, Mar 22, 2022 at 11:09:24PM +, Stuart Morrow wrote: > On 01/02/2022, Ben Hancock wrote: > > as well but have yet to become adept at the trackpoint. Do you find > > you're able to sweep lines as easily using it in acme as with a physical > > mouse? > > A trackpoint isn't a real three-bu

Re: [9fans] licence question

On Fri, Feb 04, 2022 at 09:30:26AM -0600, Kent R. Spillner wrote: > > In your experience do students appreciate being told what's best for them? ;) > In my experience needing to be told what's best for them is the defining characteristic of a student khm -

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 08:14:44PM +1300, umbrati...@prosimetrum.com wrote: > > small ones seem to me like a pain to point, and the large ones look > > like hard to make chords with the big ball in the middle. Could you > > share your experience? > > I use a Kensington Expert which I guess falls i

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 03:47:48PM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > I have one mouse still in the original unopened box, just to be safe. The > label reads > > 31P7405 Lenovo Scrollpoint Mouse Model MO098OA > > And I have now opened it to be sure, and it is the true blue (literally) > 3-button version. I

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:39:09PM -0800, Kurt H Maier via 9fans wrote: > The Scrollpoint Rob mentioned was made > with both IBM and Lenovo branding, and was also available in a sculpted > Pro model with a thumb-actuated fourth button. I should specify: the Scrollpoint mouse technically

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 07:48:15PM -0800, Ben Hancock wrote: > Hi all, > > Acme has become my main text editor and I'm in the market for a good > mouse with a decent middle click (i.e. B2). If product recommendations > aren't eschewed on the list, would fellow acme and/or sam users be > willing

Re: [9fans] licence question

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 08:14:25PM -0500, ibrahim via 9fans wrote: > Thanks for your hint ori, > > After searching for Copying, Copyright, Licence I found these problematic > commands (libs) : > > Xen (9f) > diff (9f,l9) > patch (9f, l9) > ghostscript (9f, l9) > mp3dec (9f, l9) > lzip (l9) > >

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 06:55:27PM +0100, Alexandr Babic wrote: > >> I agree.  This mailing list is turning out to be a bit too fucking bizarro > >> for my taste. > > If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen.  Nobody owes you a > > safe space, snowflake. > > khm, you are using snowflak

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 05:38:19AM -0700, Duke Normandin wrote: > > > >> On 1/24/22, Alexandr Babic wrote: > >> > >> hello. > >> > >> please don't put any politics here, everyone has own political opinion, but > >> discuss it elsewhere. > >> sub-word "trans" should be used only inside "transpi

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 01:54:02PM -0500, Antonio Barrones wrote: > Linux distros are not only "Linux", they are GNU/Linux.  Linux is only the > kernel of a GNU/Linux system (a distro). Android is not a distro because they > don't have GNU, but Android is "Linux" because it has Linux as kernel.

Re: [9fans] Despite being called a fork, is 9front similar to how Linux distros work?

On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 12:36:19AM +0100, Sigrid Solveig Haflínudóttir wrote: > > I'm afraid you got it wrong. Community is mostly centered around > 9front. One of the reasons is that it actually works and is still > being developed and used by many. Plan 9 is dead, 9front lives on. > There is als

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

On Mon, Aug 16, 2021 at 02:15:00PM +0300, Demetrius Iatrakis wrote: > This is a preview of OAuth2 support in factotum, as part of this year's GSoC: > https://github.com/Mitsos101/plan9front/pull/1 > > Installation, on 9front: > > git/clone https://github.com/Mitsos101/plan9front plan9front-oauth

Re: [9fans] the #cat-v channel has moved to oftc

On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 02:54:22PM -0400, Thaddeus Woskowiak wrote: > > This reminds me: is the #plan9 channel on oftc the new home of #plan9? > The topic in #plan9 on oftc directs users to libera, and has done since Freenode began to implode. If there's some way I can make this more clear, pl

Re: [9fans] 9front, git and mercurial.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2021 at 12:48:35PM -0500, Tony Mendoza wrote: > Quick question (or maybe not), but how are these being hosted? Is this done > on a cloud provider vm platform? Or is this being done in a traditional DC > using real hardware? > > Just curious to know how this is being done beca

Re: [9fans] recover(4) go rewrite

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 09:20:23PM +0200, k...@a-b.xyz wrote: > > I needed recover(4) on windows, I rewrote most if it in go. > > Where can the original version be found? At /n/sources/contrib/paurea/recover4e.tgz paper at /n/sources/contrib/rsc/recover/recover.pdf khm --

Re: [9fans] problem with installing plan9 from USB disk image

On Fri, Mar 26, 2021 at 09:20:44AM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > The replacement of legacy BIOS with UEFI had two consequences: > > 1. Dual booting is not possible This is false. Dual-booting works just fine with UEFI; tools like efibootmgr make it trivial and I do it all the time. It's much n

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 09:03:58PM +0100, David du Colombier wrote: > > The 4e and 4e-latest tarballs are identical. Is this intentional? > > This should be fixed now. Thanks for reporting. Thanks for the fix. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fan

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:06:49AM -0700, a...@9srv.net wrote: > > The historical releases are available right now at: > https://p9f.org/dl/ The 4e and 4e-latest tarballs are identical. Is this intentional? Thanks either way, khm -- 9fans: 9fans

Re: [9fans] Transfer of Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 06:06:49AM -0700, a...@9srv.net wrote: > We are thrilled to announce that Nokia has transferred the copyright of > Plan 9 to the Plan 9 Foundation. This transfer applies to all of the > Plan 9 from Bell Labs code, from the earliest days through their final > release. > > Th

Re: [9fans] APL

On Sun, Feb 21, 2021 at 02:31:13PM -0800, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE7TFX/VE6BBM) wrote: > Failing that, does anybody have a copy of the original source > kicking around? Since the virus is going to keep me locked up > for a few more months yet, porting would help pass the time :-) Michael Cain's code

Re: [9fans] Whats the default font in Acme?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 11:38:47AM -0800, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > You can use bdf2subf [1] with my hidpi vga font [2] to get this. Maybe > someone already has? If so, I'd be happy to add it to the VGA pile. sam-d has done this. A hidpi version of the VGA font ready for

Re: [9fans] Whats the default font in Acme?

On Wed, Feb 17, 2021 at 07:14:36PM +, sirjofri wrote: > > 17.02.2021 20:06:00 bomb...@gmx.net: > > And is there a version for high dpi displays? > > On 9front (and maybe on 9legacy?) It's the font you specify with font=, > which is vga by default. You can use bdf2subf [1] with my hidpi vga

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Foundation

On Tue, Feb 09, 2021 at 11:40:18PM -0800, Anthony Sorace wrote: > > More information can be found on our web site, http://p9f.org/. > "That effort stalled, mainly due to the treatment of software-focused non-profit organizations under U.S. regulations at the time." What does this mean? khm --

Re: [9fans] 9Front / cwfs64x and hjfs storage

On Tue, Dec 29, 2020 at 08:53:55AM +, sirjofri wrote: > > Then removing WORM1, storing it as backup or reformat it as a new WORM4: > ... > Is something like that possible? If not, it still could be an inspiration > for ori's new filesystem, maybe? If he implements this and the resulting fil

Re: [9fans] mice

On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 06:22:27PM -0500, fi...@lojanci.org wrote: > what about 2-1 chording, is B2 working fine? Yes, it's fully HID-compliant. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T9911dd6a42b7bc91-M23368f682b601e2a7454

Re: [9fans] mice

On Fri, Nov 27, 2020 at 06:02:13PM -0500, fi...@lojanci.org wrote: > Anybody has tried Unimouse on plan9port/linux? I have. I don't use it much these days since it's in my office and the plague has me working from home. It works fine -- what do you need to know? khm ---

Re: [9fans] Flakey DNS server

On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 09:15:01AM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > > I suggest taking a look at https://www.osmio.ch/ > I suggest not looking at https://www.osmio.ch/ instead. khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T4e8db4c9

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Brazil

On Sun, Aug 30, 2020 at 09:29:01PM -0400, Leonardo wrote: > > User-friendliness is difficult to establish precisely. > Yes, it's an abstract and subjective thing, but on average we know what is. No we don't. We like to claim we do, but really we're just pretending prior training is intuition. It

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 in Brazil

On Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 01:43:49PM -0400, Wes Kussmaul wrote: > > On 8/29/20 1:25 PM, Leonardo wrote: > > I really don't understand why Plan 9 has not been adopted. Legacy base? > > By giving a lot of control to the user Plan 9 and its derivatives > undermine the Silicon Valley business model, w

Re: [9fans] Who is behind 9p.io

On Thu, May 07, 2020 at 11:25:57PM -0400, freen...@gmail.com wrote: > should we maybe mirror it as a WWW site on github.io for safekeeping? Who is "we"? khm -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T8179bc7958a2279c-M33c530149608

Re: [9fans] Plan9 and Pine

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 04:20:19PM -0400, Chris McGee wrote: > Hello All, > > I'm not sure how many on here are aware of the Pine SBC's. There are a few > different variants of those. Now there are even pre-built laptops and a > phone. There is a plan for a tablet too. https://www.pine64.org/ I h

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 08:34:32AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > We just got a mouthful from sl and you about the lack of explanation > for the state of the various plan 9 "distributions". It all smacks of > expecting Da Vinci to update the Mona Lisa because somebody would > prefer a high-rise lands

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 04:35:25PM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > The upstream version of Mercurial in the 9front ports collection is > based on my work, not bichued's: > https://code.9front.org/hg/ports/file/5f994209e142/dev-vcs/mercurial/mkfile > That repo is run by 9front users; I just host i

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

To follow up, 9front mercurial originated from /n/sources/contrib/bichued/ in 2009. So this is yet another example of the complete lack of discoverability being a source of unending confusion in the Plan 9 community. How many years have people been pissed off about "stolen work" or whatever based

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 08:24:41AM -0600, Steven Stallion wrote: > > Indeed. It's interesting that folks from 9front like to tout their > development as "open" using tools that others in the community have > developed in addition to their own. To wit, you seem to have gotten > along quite nicely u

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

On Sat, Nov 23, 2019 at 09:29:14AM +, Richard Miller wrote: > > Never mind, I think I can just about see the gist of what you're > trying to get across. It's meant to be insulting, right? > It's meant to be a practical answer. When people come looking for information, they want to know whe

Re: [9fans] Request for (constructive?) comments: Plan 9 : 2020

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:21:04PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > Hi Erik! Vashon might be ok depending on time of year due to limited > lodging options. I plan to check the O Space for the workshop. lodging will > be challenging unless we take over campgrounds and set up yurts :) AYH could comf

Re: [9fans] Anyone have a Plan 9 4th Edition Manual Set...

On Sun, Jun 30, 2019 at 09:32:29AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > michaelian ennis writes: > > > I found a second edition set on Abe books last year. They were not > > inexpensive. > > Sadly, Abebooks became utterly useless several years ago, when it was > taken over by bots scraping each othe

Re: [9fans] supported modern laptops

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 11:09:10AM -0400, s...@9front.org wrote: > thinkpad x250 (see related entry in fqa3). > > everything works. mine is 1920x1080 ips. Caveat: you must have an Intel 6235 wifi chip installed for everything to work under 9front. It's Lenovo part number 04W3798 and is cheap.

Re: [9fans] user interface questions

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 11:37:46PM +0300, Antonio Barrones wrote: > There is some snapshots of the broken link > (http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/TinyGL/) in archive.org, but the link > to the source is missing. For example: > https://web.archive.org/web/20080506105341/http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr

Re: [9fans] Regarding GUID partitioning

On Sun, Apr 21, 2019 at 07:09:27AM +0200, Lucio De Re wrote: > > So, to be clear: is there a Plan 9 supported facility to configure a > drive according to the more modern, "don't knock it until you've tried > it" (hmm, some here will have some valid criticism, I'd like to hear > that) disk partiti

Re: [9fans] The lost (9front) boot menus ...

On Fri, Apr 19, 2019 at 05:33:07PM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > How about a FOUR second timeout, and some manpage patches? > I object to quadrupling the timeout. I am old and my eyesight sucks and one second is perfectly sane. khm

Re: [9fans] UI design | enhancements.

On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 12:24:44AM -0700, Bakul Shah wrote: > And we don't have to wait for a Michelangelo to design a perfect UI! Of course not. We already have Mike Okuda. khm

Re: [9fans] Git/fs: Possibly Usable

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 05:00:15PM -0700, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: > 9front maintainers, can anyone speak to technical reasons for creating a > new version rather than fixing existing? Also, any thoughts on changing the > name slightly so they can both be on the same system? maybe libAVL? In 2016 s

Re: [9fans] Fw: Git/fs: Possibly Usable

On Wed, Apr 03, 2019 at 11:43:55AM -0700, Cull wrote: > > Wouldn't BSD (2 clause) be the easiest to reliscence down the road? > The copyright holder can relicense at will. khm

Re: [9fans] Don't Plan 9 C compiler initialize the rest of member of a?struct?

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 09:20:43PM -0400, Dan Cross wrote: > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019 at 8:36 PM Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 08:26:30PM -0400, Jeremy O'Brien wrote: > > > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, at 11:33, Kyohei Kadota wrote: > > > > Hi, 9fans

Re: [9fans] Don't Plan 9 C compiler initialize the rest of member of a?struct?

On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 08:26:30PM -0400, Jeremy O'Brien wrote: > On Mon, Apr 1, 2019, at 11:33, Kyohei Kadota wrote: > > Hi, 9fans. I use 9legacy. > > > > About below program, I expected that flags field will initialize to > > zero but the value of flags was a garbage, ex, "f8f7". > > Is this exp

Re: [9fans] microsoft's plan 9 distribution

On Sat, Feb 16, 2019 at 01:48:01AM +0100, hiro wrote: > https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/commandline/2019/02/15/whats-new-for-wsl-in-windows-10-version-1903/ > Just when the linux kids finally gave up on 9p2000.l, and introduced virtio-fs, Microsoft shows up to ensconce 9p forever. khm

Re: [9fans] plan9ports : open for discussion here?

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 08:54:16AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > something wrong with the functioning; allowed me to subscribe, but > doesn't allow me to post or even unsubscribe saying "i am not a member". > A lot of the plan9port community suffers emotional trauma when introduced to extern

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 DNS server and dnsflagday

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 02:48:31PM +0300, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Hi all! > > Are we ready for this ? It's not real. khm

Re: [9fans] sources down

On Sun, Dec 30, 2018 at 11:58:20PM -0700, arn...@skeeve.com wrote: > > How does that work if lines were deleted? > > Thanks, > > Arnold > $ cat one two a b c d e f g h i a b c g h i j k l $ diff -e one two 3a j k l . 2d khm

Re: [9fans] upas : without acme : possible?

On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 08:27:09PM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > is that "mail" you mention similar to "mailx" under unix-like systems? > the problem is one of not wanting a captive user-interface to the > mailing sub-system. > You're looking for nedmail(1), I think. Hopefully sl will chime

Re: [9fans] PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!)

On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 10:54:22AM -0700, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > > Since when did curiosity become a capital crime? Oh, wait, that > was January 20, 2017. My bad. Turns out it's not, so you can climb down off your cross. It's just that it helps to be a little clearer about your meaning, tha

Re: [9fans] PDP11 (Was: Re: what heavy negativity!)

On Wed, Oct 10, 2018 at 04:54:22PM -0500, Steven Stallion wrote: > As the guy might be worth keeping in mind the current most common use case for nvme is laptop storage and not building jet engines in coraid's basement so the nvme driver that cinap wrote works on my thinkpad today and is about

Re: [9fans] what heavy negativity!

On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 10:39:36AM +0530, Mayuresh Kathe wrote: > > sorry that i bothered you all. > apology accepted, try to do better next time khm

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 11:33:33AM +0100, Rui Carmo wrote: > > Regular aggressive is taking things outside the realm of civilised discourse, > which is easy to do behind a keyboard, since being irate at abstract things > seems to be a slippery slope when removed from regular human contact. Nah, I

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 08:50:35AM +0100, Rui Carmo wrote: > I wouldn’t allow the passive-aggressive mood that surfaces here from > time to time to turn me off the project. How about regular aggressive? Starting with "what project?" We're gonna slap down an alpine rootfs and throw plan9port in

Re: [9fans] plan9port : complete system : kernel : freebsd || linux ?

On Tue, Oct 02, 2018 at 08:10:19PM +0200, hiro wrote: > why do you use the past tense about glendix? is it finished? I have a kid in the second grade who was born after the last time anyone worked on Glendix. khm

Re: [9fans] Touchpad

On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 03:43:48PM +, DHAN HURLEY wrote: > Hi, > I am sorry to break into your discussion.How do i UNSUBSCRIBE from this list > Many thanks, > Dhan Hurley List-Unsubscribe: ,

Re: [9fans] 9front VMX

On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 06:57:29PM +0100, Steve Simon wrote: > is there any graphics support? would it be usable to run a browser? dillo > talking to a framebuffer maybe? > > ever hopefull of getting modern browser support in plan9... > > -Steve This is documented in the linked fqa section. h

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