At 08:21 PM 10/17/00 EDT, you wrote:
>Frank Nordberg says -
>
>> And while you're at it, could you add a clear link path from the Lewes
>> Arms main page to the page with the ABCs?
>
>Well, not really, owing to domestic politics. The ABCs belong to the Lewes
>Favourites Practice Sessions which i
> I would like to see in BarFly is a "Save as standard abc" menu
> command. A text file would be saved (and displayed) that preserves
> as much of the active file as possible without using any features
> not found in the current standard. V: lines and whatever else
> would either be stripped or "c
I have no problem with Bob Archer's interpretation of what I say. Keep up
the good work.
I would only add that of course I don't think abc is useless either as an
exchange medium or in any other way, I am just afraid it will become so if it
breaks up into a network of mutually incomprehensibl
Frank Nordberg says -
> And while you're at it, could you add a clear link path from the Lewes
> Arms main page to the page with the ABCs?
Well, not really, owing to domestic politics. The ABCs belong to the Lewes
Favourites Practice Sessions which is an entirely separate organisation from
th
> I'm sure to be flamed for saying this, but I think that ABC is too
> strongly tied to the western 12-tone scale to bother trying to
> accomodate micro-tonal music. I believe that if we were to try,
> then the resulting "MT-ABC" would be too hard/cumbersome to use.
The proposal I put forward wa
David Barnert wrote:
>Just a little earlier in this thread, it occurred to me that what
>I would like to see in BarFly is a "Save as standard abc" menu
>command. A text file would be saved (and displayed) that preserves
>as much of the active file as possible without using any features
>not found
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
>
> (The tune caused Muse some problems in achieving a neat layout. The
> standard Muse options like to keep whole bars together on one line, have as
> many bars as will fit on one line and align the parts vertically so that
> simultaneous notes lie one above another.
>> Ideally, I'd like something that will support this on a small 68K Mac,
>> creating a PS or EPS file for each tune. (I have no need whatever
>> for the book-at-a-time interface that abc4mac uses, and its memory
>> requirements are impossible).
> Hmm...this may kill the MusicTeX approach, since
Laura Conrad wrote:
>
> > "Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Laurie> As a matter of interest, which packages are happy with the
> Laurie> V: commands?
>
> Both barfly and abc2ps use them, but with slightly different syntax.
> The major difference is how y
For what it's worth, when I wrote Skink I decided to accept
the 1.6 standard plus W: and w: and the Barfly decorations
(T for trill, H for fermata, etc) as my first pass, and then
add V: for the second release. Why? they seemed the most
useful to me, as a user with fairly "non-esoteric" needs.
David Barnert wrote:
| Just a little earlier in this thread, it occurred to me that what
| I would like to see in BarFly is a "Save as standard abc" menu
| command. A text file would be saved (and displayed) that preserves
| as much of the active file as possible without using any featur
| As a matter of interest, which packages are happy with the V: commands?
| Just the other day someone was pointing out that they are not in the
| standard.
| To start the ball rolling, Muse found no problem with them.
Well, abc2ps has had them for some time now. But I think there ar
Laurie wrote:
>Right - programs should accept the widest choice but generate
>standard ABC.
>BUT
>Think about Barfly. It doesn't generate at all.
>If it accepts mangled syntax then it encourages and legitimises
>such mangling If it refuses to, then it is "broken" - so it
>needs careful th
> "Laurie" == Laurie Griffiths <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Laurie> As a matter of interest, which packages are happy with the
Laurie> V: commands?
Both barfly and abc2ps use them, but with slightly different syntax.
The major difference is how you specify clefs, but I think there are
Nice tune.
As a matter of interest, which packages are happy with the V: commands?
Just the other day someone was pointing out that they are not in the
standard.
To start the ball rolling, Muse found no problem with them.
(The tune caused Muse some problems in achieving a neat layout. The
stand
>From: Guido Gonzato
>this is a list of changes I did:
>
> - removed #include from all source files; neither
Linux nor
> Djgpp have it
That one's required for VC -- it defines the "exit" function among
other things, if I recall correctly. I gu
Bob writes:
| I am obviously not getting my point aross correctly. I've always been
| slightly suspicious of the "be liberal in what you accept and strict in
| what you output" rule, particularly when what you're accepting is, in many
| cases, human generated. ...
|
| This is exactly my
> "Bob" == Bob Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Bob> This is exactly my point, and why I asked the question about
Bob> what superset of abc a new program writer would be advised to
Bob> support. I notice that nobody has answered that yet.
I'd recommend the draft standard plus d
Steve Mansfield wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
> >Frank, I think we'll have to consider the possibility that
> >Beethoven wasn't intimately familiar with the fine points of the
> >abc 1.6 standard.
>
> Oh oh, I can see another abc2ps variant coming up - abc2Ludwig perhaps
Yes. A version
Jack Campin wrote:
>
> > For those living outside the UK, Lewes and several other towns in
> > south-east England have had severe flooding over the last few days.
>
> I posted this to uk.music.folk to mark the occasion - Marjorie Clarke
> (nearby but not flooded) said she'd pass it on to someo
At 02:28 AM 17-10-00 +0100, Richard Robinson wrote:
>Yes. I think we're both saying "six of one, half a dozen of the other",
>really, and the old "be liberal in what you accept and strict in what you
>output". And maybe that what's generated is more of a key to the situation
>than what's accepted
Laurie Griffiths wrote:
>Right - programs should accept the widest choice but generate standard ABC.
>BUT
>Think about Barfly. It doesn't generate at all.
That's true in a sense, since BarFly is a text editor, and accepts
any text you type into it and saves it without qualms.
>If it accepts ma
Frank Nordberg wrote:
>As far as I know, BarFly is the only ABC program that has an intonation
>function, and it certainly adds to the realism of the playback. It's
>really a pity it can't be exported to other programs.
>
BarFly plays using Quicktime, which does have an absolute pitch
standard,
"Eric M. Mrozek" wrote:
>
> Jack Campin wrote:
> > Best of all would be to allow these modes to be defined, on both
> > a per-tune and per-file basis:
> >
> > K:Montgomerie A Mix =G ^g
> > ...
> > K:E Montgomerie % the original pipe is in fact in E though
> > % nobody wo
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, James Allwright wrote:
> On Mon 16 Oct 2000 at 06:34PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
> > In the "manual" for yaps, yaps.txt, I read:
> >
> >
> > 5. Supports special characters using ISO latin 1 font. Special
> > characters are created with a TeX-like code e.g. \'E or a 3
I think this is the old A4/US letter problem. There are 2 similar but
incompatible popular page sizes that both yaps and abc2ps support.
yaps has a command line switch to select US letter instead of A4.
James Allwright
On Tue 17 Oct 2000 at 11:38AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> The ps s
> "Guido" == Guido Gonzato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Guido> Incidentally: shall I send the archive to the list? Does
Guido> anybody want it?
Would you like to become a SourceForge developer? That way you could
upload things like this to the SourceForge ftp area.
--
Laura (mailt
> "John" == John Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
John> For my money, the MusixTeX output is as good as or better
John> than abc2ps, and you can do a lot more with the formatting.
John> There's no problem producing PS or EPS files from it.
Has anyone done anything about adding w
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Frank wrote:
>
> >I've just translated a Beethoven piece into ABC, and ran into a
> >strange problem...
>
> Frank, I think we'll have to consider the possibility that
> Beethoven wasn't intimately familiar with the fine points of the
> abc 1.6 standard.
You me
Thanks for the song Jack. Things aren't as bad as that so perhaps Lewes
isn't quite that sinful. (Although the brewery did get flooded.) Marjorie
has sent it to my friend Valmai of the Lewes Arms Folk Club who may sing a
reduced version. The audience would probably need counselling after al
On Tue 17 Oct 2000 at 10:37AM +0100, Philip Rowe wrote:
> At 10:05 17/10/00 +0200, you wrote:
> > - replaced stricmp (nonstandard) with strcmp
>
> This looks dodgy to me - stricmp is a case insensitive comparison
> while strcmp IS case sensitive.
> You should probably use strcasecmp for BSD uni
On Thu, 27 Jul 2000, you wrote:
> I have added support for generating encapsulated PostScript (.eps files)
> to yaps. Could someone who makes use of EPS files please try it
> out and tell me if I've got the format correct.
Hi.
I've tried yaps from your abc2midi package ? latest 1?
The ps seem
Right - programs should accept the widest choice but generate standard ABC.
BUT
Think about Barfly. It doesn't generate at all.
If it accepts mangled syntax then it encourages and legitimises such
mangling
If it refuses to, then it is "broken" - so it needs careful thought.
And any other "input o
At 10:05 17/10/00 +0200, you wrote:
> - replaced stricmp (nonstandard) with strcmp
This looks dodgy to me - stricmp is a case insensitive comparison
while strcmp IS case sensitive.
You should probably use strcasecmp for BSD unix and stricmp for windows.
I'm not sure what the System V unix equiv
Very good. Better get the rest of the world to repent too.
Drunkenness and whoreing is probably not so much to blame as driving cars
and running air conditioners. England has certainly contributed to global
warming, but we're not alone!
Laurie
- Original Message -
From: Jack Campin <[EMA
On Mon 16 Oct 2000 at 06:34PM +0200, Atte André Jensen wrote:
> In the "manual" for yaps, yaps.txt, I read:
>
>
> 5. Supports special characters using ISO latin 1 font. Special
> characters are created with a TeX-like code e.g. \'E or a 3 digit octal
> code e.g. \315 .
>
>
> Is the lettes prod
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, John Atchley wrote:
> I kind of expected this. I had to make a lot of changes to the original to
> get clean compilation under VC++. Altering the makefile won't bugger up
> VC++ because the VC++ project doesn't use the makefile -- that file is the
> original that came wi
On Mon, 16 Oct 2000, Bob Archer wrote:
> We have to be at some point on the sliding scale between the two extremes,
> and that involves balancing things off against each other. In particular we
> seem to have "usefulness as an exchange mechanism" pitted directly against
> "allows programmers to in
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
>Frank, I think we'll have to consider the possibility that
>Beethoven wasn't intimately familiar with the fine points of the
>abc 1.6 standard.
Oh oh, I can see another abc2ps variant coming up - abc2Ludwig perhaps
(no sound implemented).
Steve Mansfield
[EMAIL PROTEC
Steve Mansfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote :
Ooops, two posts, one of which did nothing but quote jc - sorry!
Steve Mansfield
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