RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-19 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
Is it cheaper and more efficient to go the replication lag site route than buy a proper backup and object level restore solution? I mean not to toot a vendor's horn, but Quest recovery manager turns the process of restoring objects into a 15 minute click click operation. I would hate to think o

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-19 Thread Dan Holme
to avoid a situation where something awful happens just before a lag site happens to replicate. Someone detailed this earlier, and it's a good note! Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) Sent: Thursday, Ma

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Holme Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 16:16 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why? Two more notes on this issue: 1) THIRD PARTY AD RESTORE TOOLS. Sounds like it's clear, now, WHY lag sites are so pop

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
:16 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? Two more notes on this issue: 1) THIRD PARTY AD RESTORE TOOLS. Sounds like it's clear, now, WHY lag sites are so popular. Yes, there are third party products (particularly Quest Rec

Re: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread A P
s. > > Todd > > _ > > From: Dan Holme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 10:16 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? > > > > Two more notes on this issue: > > 1) THIRD

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread Rick Kingslan
dd (NIH/CC/DNA) Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:59 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? I disagree that Lag sites are popular, maybe with you and at AD conferences as a session. I tend to avoid those sessio

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread Rick Kingslan
> > I am waiting for Guido to chime in on this. > > Todd > > _ > > From: Dan Holme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 10:16 AM > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? > > > > Two

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread David Adner
y 20, 2005 15:49 > To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org > Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? > > Todd, > > With all due respect, I think there are more people doing > this than you think. You aren’t using a Lag Site, so it’s > ‘whacky’. Your opinion, so yo

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread joe
ginal Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge de Almeida Pinto Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 8:43 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why? You are correct there are free tools to do a restore of ob

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-20 Thread joe
hings back. joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 5:24 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? Using my non-scientific personal observations,

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread deji
D] on behalf of joe Sent: Fri 5/20/2005 10:07 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? I would tend to agree with what David is saying from what I have seen of lag sites as well. Not many people, relatively, doing it, those that are are lik

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread David Adner
I read Joe's comments as not creating a lag site per-se, but using virtual DC's which are periodically saved (I'll refrain from saying backed up since it's not a "backup", as was recently discussed) in order to perform a Forest-wide recovery. I don't think he was referring to recovery of a few del

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread Rick Kingslan
owsxp/expertzone WebLog - www.msmvps.com/willhack4food _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Kingslan Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 3:49 PM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? Todd, With all due resp

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
Title: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? Thanks Rick, I didn't think it to strong.  And took no offense. As most of you know,  I am a "buy" guy. When I reviewed AD back when, I new that we were in trouble if we had any accidents with administration

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
ernative. Todd -Original Message- From: David Adner To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: 5/21/2005 5:08 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? I read Joe's comments as not creating a lag site per-se, but using virtual DC's which are periodically saved

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread joe
OTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 3:45 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? Joe, you pretty much agreed with the lag site proposition towards the end of your piece. Whether yo

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-21 Thread joe
Correct. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Adner Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 5:08 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? I read Joe's comments as not creating a lag sit

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-22 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
tart for a forest rebuild (3) A DC drops dead We all know this one. Restore the DC from a backup or do a metadata cleanup and rebuild the DC from scratch Cheers, #JORGE# -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: 5/22/2005 1:15 AM Subject: RE: [ActiveDi

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-22 Thread Dan Holme
ough to fully delegate away the risk of object deletion. Dan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jorge de Almeida Pinto Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:41 AM To: 'joe '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'ActiveDir@mail.activedir.or

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-22 Thread joe
nd not optimal for doing its stated purpose? joe -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dan Holme Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 9:49 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? I think Jo

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-22 Thread joe
else they WILL break. I will not pony up additional responsibility because their app doesn't work properly. joe -Original Message- From: Jorge de Almeida Pinto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 8:41 AM To: 'joe '; '[EMAIL PROTECTED] '; 'Acti

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-22 Thread Jorge de Almeida Pinto
e are a lot of decisions to be made and each IS different for each company Cheers #JORGE# -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: 5/22/2005 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? 1. > I assume almost everyone has an ins

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-23 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
users while restoring a new forest in parallel. And yes, there are a lot of decisions to be made and each IS different for each company Cheers #JORGE# -Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Sent: 5/22/2005 7:05 PM Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replica

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-23 Thread Grillenmeier, Guido
ns on such a "fairly exotic" topic. Cheers, Guido -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of mike kline Sent: Montag, 23. Mai 2005 13:38 To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: Re: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? haha,

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why?

2005-05-23 Thread deji
:20 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy? oh, gee, I'm too late - but I had a great weekend ;-)) I'd have to say (and all the posts show themselves) that there is no single right or wrong answers to lag sites. It's one buildi

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not?

2005-05-19 Thread Rick Kingslan
t find NTDSUTIL overly difficult or intensive to use. But, that's just me. -rtk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2005 8:34 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not?

2005-05-20 Thread Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA)
EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thu 5/19/2005 11:12 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not? Todd - I personally don't have a problem with Recovery Manager. That being said - Last I checked, Microsoft still didn't allow it as a SUPPORTAB

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not?

2005-05-20 Thread Rick Kingslan
_ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd (NIH/CC/DNA) Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:51 AM To: ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org; ActiveDir@mail.activedir.org Subject: RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag siteWhy not? Disagree Rick, MS chan

RE: [ActiveDir] AD DR - replication lag site----Why not?

2005-05-20 Thread Brett Shirley
ert > Expert Zone - www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone > WebLog - www.msmvps.com/willhack4food > > _ > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Myrick, Todd > (NIH/CC/DNA) > Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:51 AM > T