s, but
all intertwined and mixed together. Note: pattern is an overloaded term-
there are several definitions.
John
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ations problems arise. I am
obviously new to this discussion. Any help to bring me up to speed would be
GREATLY appreciated.
Thanks.
Steve Richfield
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John,
Background Note: My first full-time job was doing CAD for the first Boeing
737s - the first planes to be substantially designed by CAD.
On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield
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> Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns, apparently
> advanced along with the same lines of "thought" that was behind that IQ test
> so many years ago. Pattern recognition without underlying suppor
Joseph,
On 5/20/08, Joseph Gentle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, May 17, 2008 at 1:37 PM, Steve Richfield
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Now, decades later, come the present discussions about patterns,
> apparently
> > advanced along with the same lines of "thought" that was behind that
> From: Joseph Gentle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
> There are two interesting points here.
>
> The first is that (in my opinion) pattern matching must come first. I
> agree that understanding the patterns (the /why/) is important; but
> seeing (even unjustified) patterns is crucial. The benchm
John G: "human musical pattern extrapolation fidelity is a sort of an
averaging of the human minds full
capability of an astonishingly robust pattern recognizing ability...I feel
that our modern audial
pattern recognition ability has been extremely dumbed down"
The arts as seen by a mathemati
John Rose writes:> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the
natural richness> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared
to what would> be needed in software AGI.
Are we satisfied building AGIs that cannot cope with the actual world because
it is too rich?
Pe
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:26 AM, Derek Zahn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> John Rose writes:
>
>> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness
>> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would
>> be needed in software AGI.
>
> Are we satisfied
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Subject: RE: [agi] Pattern extrapolation as a method requiring limited
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John Rose writes:
> So I feel that much of our brain mass is there due to the natural richness
> of nature, and there may be quite a bit of overkill compared to what would
> be needed in softwar
Vladimir Nesov:> I think sterile texture of "artificial" environments hides
the> richness of their structure from our intuition, since we already have> it
imprinted by experience with the real world. Anything less than> capable of
dealing with the real world won't understand "cleaned up"> enviro
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a
> combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The
> whole
> point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on
> existing patterns. That'
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> It's actually obvious if you care to listen, that music involves a
> combination of pattern fitting/extrapolation and pattern BREAKING. The
> whole
> point of a pop song is that it involves a creative idea - a *twist* on
> existing patterns. That'
John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs, changes
harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds, fearing
the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to new
pastures.
But with humans, pattern-breaking and the seeking of nove
The environmental complexities are different. NYC has been there for
hundreds of years. Human brain has been in nature for hundreds of thousands
of years. A manmade environment for AGI is custom made in the beginning; we
don't just throw it out on the street or into the jungle. It can start off
in
> From: Mike Tintner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> John:The synchronous melodies of the crickets strumming their legs,
> changes
> harmony as the wind moves warmthness. The reeds vibrate; the birds,
> fearing
> the snake, break their rhythmic falsetto polyphonies and flutter away to
> new
> pastur
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