Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-07 Thread Mary Bordi
In our church we also have the "Do you renounce Satan" and sprinkling of everyone with holy water on Easter Sunday. (I think the Easter Vigil, also.) Mary On Thursday, November 7, 2013, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Terri, > > I'm not sure if this will be of help to clarify what has already been > s

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-06 Thread João Ventura
Hi John, Yes, it's not a sin. But clearly the Church does believe that the devil might have been involved in the first baptism, and they need to exorcise it better. I guess it makes that makes the first one a satanic rite instead of a sin. I understand the need for a second baptism, just to ma

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-05 Thread John Raposo
The practice is the same today. It was never a sin (and still is not) for a layman to baptize a child in case the child was at risk of dying before baptism. Note many children "batizado pela partrira", or "a avó" (the midwife or the grandmother). That is still the case today. However, the baptis

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-05 Thread joao ventura
AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents I found it creepy by interesting that in a few baptism records I needed for children in Ginetes, the word  'exorcismos' appeared.  This does mean exorcisms by a priest were performed right? or does this

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-05 Thread João Ventura
Hello, Terri (and John), My experience in seeing the baptism records is that the priest conducts an exorcism when the children had already been baptized by a non-priest. In some circumstances, people believed the baby would die without being baptized so they'd baptize them themselves. However,

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Exorcisms? of children in Ginetes documents

2013-11-05 Thread John Raposo
As I understand it, it was and still is part of the Baptismal ceremony. Baptism is the pouring of the water over the head baptizing "in the name of the Father" etc. But before you get to the point, there is the anointing with holy oils and the priest applying a grain or two of salt on his th