>But it is folly to think that those three items are the radical
>Islamic fundamentalists only "gripe" with the U.S. MTV, VH1,
>McDonalds, Disney, and the Internet -- yep, those are all destablizing
>influence. They know it, and hate it, and might even bomb us for it.
I see.
I happen to suspect t
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 10:01:35AM -0600, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> Baloney. The terrorists have made it pretty clear what their gripe with
> the U.S. Government is, and it has nothing to do with trade, the
> American lifestyle, or the elusive freedoms that Americans supposedly
> enjoy. It ha
"Kevin S. Van Horn" wrote:
>
> John Kelsey wrote:
>
> > No policy toward anyone isn't possible once there's any kind of
> > contact. There are terrorists who'd want to do nasty things to us for
> > simply allowing global trade, or for allowing trade with repressive
> > regimes like Saudi Arabi
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On 18 Jan 2003 at 10:01, Kevin S. Van Horn wrote:
> The terrorists have made it pretty clear what their gripe
> with the U.S. Government is, and it has nothing to do with
> trade, the American lifestyle, or the elusive freedoms that
> Americans supposedly enjoy. It has everything to do wit
At 09:38 AM 1/16/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:
At 03:20 PM 1/15/03 -0800, Petro wrote:
...
[Question of whether we could have avoided 9/11 and such things by not
having an activist foreign policy]
>Secondly, other groups would have been just as pissed off at us for
>*not* helpin
John Kelsey wrote:
No policy toward anyone isn't possible once there's any kind of
contact. There are terrorists who'd want to do nasty things to us for
simply allowing global trade, or for allowing trade with repressive
regimes like Saudi Arabia or Nigeria, or for selling weapons to
countri
On Sat, Jan 18, 2003 at 02:18:52PM -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>
> Perhaps we should try it and see? Ah well. But remember, it just might be
> that OBL and Co are not just half a dozen guys in a Pakistani cave. Perhaps
> there are thousands who are almost equally angry,
Thousands? Gimme a br
Tyler Durden wrote:
> John Keley wrote...
>
> "Osama Bin Laden might not hate us, but *someone* would."
>
> Well, perhaps we fucked with the wrong guy.
"Fucked with". "Trained up and fucked over". Whatever.
> BTW...a Muslim co-worker sardonically stated recently that our new war
> with Iraq is
John Keley wrote...
"There are terrorists who'd want to do nasty things to us for simply
allowing global trade, or for allowing trade with repressive regimes like
Saudi Arabia or Nigeria, or for selling weapons to countries with bad human
rights records."
Hummm...kind of an odd argument, don't
At 03:20 PM 1/15/03 -0800, Petro wrote:
>On Thu, Jan 09, 2003 at 09:15:57AM -0800, Bill Stewart wrote:
>> On the other hand, if the US were following the traditional model
>> for defense rather than having a standing army stomping around the
world,
>> it's highly unlikely that somebody like Al Qaed
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