pensive and require power that can be better used
in 64 bit platform.
CATIA has unix versions ... i don't really know if they will ever have
linux versions.
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lity to develop in
windows?
Ter, 2007-04-10 às 12:25 -0400, Matthias Julius escreveu:
> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Free cad implementations are too simple for use in some industrial
> > environments, when programs like CATIA or Solidorks, or inventor, C
Qua, 2007-04-11 às 17:33 +0200, Robert Millan escreveu:
> > I don't know what the critical mass of Linux users is that generates
> > interest for Linux among software vendors. We seem to be far from
> > it.
>
> Yes, but Microsoft is much farther. I wouldn't be surprised if our
> 64-bit
> userb
Qua, 2007-04-11 às 13:12 -0400, Lennart Sorensen escreveu:
> I can't stand visual studio. It drives me nuts. It makes it so hard
> to
> figure out what is going on and wants to get in the way of everything.
> Give me plain simple makefiles and source code files I can edit
> (preferably with vim)
Qua, 2007-04-11 às 22:56 +0200, Michael Banck escreveu:
> On Wed, Apr 11, 2007 at 08:01:09PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > Visual Studio makes the job for non-professional programmers a pretty
> > good job.
>
> Please remember that this is debian-devel and not some gener
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 09:53 +0200, Josselin Mouette escreveu:
> Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 à 23:20 +0100, Luis Matos a écrit :
> > Tasksel has no devel task.
> >
> > There are no development environments for example: C/gtk, C#/GTK,
> > Java/Gtk, python/gtk pre-defined.
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 11:03 +0200, Reinhard Tartler escreveu:
> Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> i don't mean all the debug and etc stuff... But the a beginner
> >> environment for people to start to use and learn about linux
> >> development.
> >
> > I don't think "beginner" and "dev
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 10:58 +0200, Gabor Gombas escreveu:
> On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 12:57:09AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
>
> > I don't think "beginner" and "developer" belong in the same sentence.
>
> Yes they do. I met people who develop commercial software but who are
> completely ignorant about
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 09:37 -0300, André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira escreveu:
>
> 2007/4/12, Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Qui, 2007-04-12 às 09:53 +0200, Josselin Mouette escreveu:
> > Le mercredi 11 avril 2007 à 23:20 +0100, Luis Matos a
> écrit :
&
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 14:39 +0200, Josselin Mouette escreveu:
> Le jeudi 12 avril 2007 à 14:25 +0100, Luis Matos a écrit :
> > gnome-devel has what? anjuta, devhelp, glade and ...
>
> ... and gnome-core-devel.
you killed me ... true, it has the -dev packages.
do you agree with th
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 20:40 +0200, Andrea Bolognani escreveu:
> On Thu, 12 Apr 2007 20:27:25 +0200
> Julien Cristau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Apr 12, 2007 at 20:25:35 +0200, Andrea Bolognani wrote:
> >
> > > Still I don't see the advantage of having a complete development
> > > environ
Qui, 2007-04-12 às 21:03 +0200, Robert Millan escreveu:
> On Fri, Apr 13, 2007 at 03:38:56AM +1000, Drew Parsons wrote:
> > > Why not lzma? It reduces size even more
> >
> > It's the same question really. "Do we want to move on from gz?"
> >
> > I guess bzip2 is more widely known than lzma, t
Sex, 2007-04-13 às 14:47 +0300, costin c escreveu:
> May be some informations or tips about how to build a particular
> package from maintainers/developers of that package could help new
> maintainers who want to learn how to build/debug packages in
> generally.
for taht you have:
- new maintaine
Please CC the debian-devel list.
Sex, 2007-04-13 às 18:26 +0300, costin c escreveu:
> On 4/13/07, Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Sex, 2007-04-13 às 14:47 +0300, costin c escreveu:
> > > May be some informations or tips about how to build a particular
> &
it included in
debian would be great.
>
> I would very much like to hear the opinions of the developer community.
> The first -and very important- step to be taken is to form a group of people
> that
> support this goal and are willing to work on it.
count with me.
>
> If there
cc'ing debian-custom so we can get off devel.
Qua, 2007-04-18 às 22:34 +0200, Andreas Tille escreveu:
> On Wed, 18 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > A cdd would be good for some first testing, but having it included in
> > debian would be great.
>
> Argh - the us
eseed some options, (like debian-med) but that
wouldn't come in tasksel's options, like kde-desktop and xfce-desktop.
Qui, 2007-04-19 às 13:31 +0200, Andreas Tille escreveu:
> On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > it true it's debian, but ... i meant in debian&#
Frans Pop escreveu:
On Thursday 19 April 2007 14:46, Andreas Tille wrote:
IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two level
selection:
I doubt this is going to happen in the in tasksel. For one thing, its
maintainer has quite strong feelings against it.
For another t
i right Frans Pop?
Andreas Tille escreveu:
On Thu, 19 Apr 2007, Luis Matos wrote:
At least, we could preseed some options, (like debian-med) but that
wouldn't come in tasksel's options, like kde-desktop and xfce-desktop.
IMHO the best solution would be if tasksel would have a two
Ter, 2007-04-24 às 16:44 +0200, Michelle Konzack escreveu:
> Hello Arjan and *,
>
> Am 2007-04-18 15:24:36, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >
> > I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps
> > Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is
> >
Ter, 2007-04-24 às 16:44 +0200, Michelle Konzack escreveu:
> Hello Arjan and *,
>
> Am 2007-04-18 15:24:36, schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> >
> > I would like to start a new sub-project called Debian4Business or perhaps
> > Debian-Office.I have a slight preference for the first name, but this is
> >
Qui, 2007-04-26 às 04:02 +0930, Stef Daniels escreveu:
> Hi Greg and others,
>
> On 26/04/07, Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Like these:
> >
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r0-i386-kde-CD-1.iso
> > http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r0/i386/iso
Qua, 2007-04-25 às 13:50 -0500, David Moreno Garza escreveu:
> Steve Greenland wrote:
> > I'd guess that Bugzilla's mandatory registration is why. OTOH,
> > Bugzilla's mandatory is why I rarely report bugs for projects that use
> > Bugzilla. I don't think making it harder for users to report proble
Qua, 2007-04-25 às 13:53 -0500, David Moreno Garza escreveu:
> That's why the Debian CD team provides Kebian and Xebian for you
> :-)
calling them like this would make kde people and xfce people to look
more to debian ... or not.
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Qui, 2007-04-26 às 19:37 +0930, Stef Daniels escreveu:
> Hi again,
>
> On 26/04/07, Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > i think you should read the 'fine' instalation manual where it says that
> > you can select the desktop at boot prompt
>
> Yes
oh ... dot com is already taken...
http://09-f9-11-02-9d-74-e3-5b-d8-41-56-c5-63.com/
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Dom, 2007-05-13 às 00:43 +0200, Tim Dijkstra escreveu:
> On Wed, 9 May 2007 17:49:18 -0300
> "André Luiz Rodrigues Ferreira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> > The user can put the follows categories:
> > - Wallpaper
> > - Splash screen
> > - Icon
> > - System sound
> > - Logo
e.
i don't think this is a way out ... maybe a better one is the one stated
above.
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Frank Küster escreveu:
Neil Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How long should bugs be tagged pending in advance of an upload?
Is it acceptable to tag a bug pending when fixed upstream and the
maintainer is confident of an upstream release in under a week? (This
is easy for me, I'm also up
typo:
http://freeassociation.sourceforge.net/
two s's in association.
Qui, 2007-05-17 às 17:03 +0200, Michal Čihař escreveu:
> Hi
>
> I wanted to find out more about this library, but...
>
> On Thu, 17 May 2007 16:27:31 +0200
> Wilfried Goesgens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Package: wnpp
maybe you can use the debianart.org platform.
Dom, 2007-05-27 às 09:30 -0400, Kevin Mark escreveu:
> On Sun, May 27, 2007 at 11:35:26AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> > On Sun, 27 May 2007, Frans Pop wrote:
> >
> > >Yes, a complete redesign of the website is a herculean task, but
> > >contributing
Frans Pop wrote:
On Tuesday 05 June 2007 15:14, Anthony Towns wrote:
I'm not sure if avoiding duplicating the data (1G of data is bad, but
1G of the same data in a .orig.tar.gz _and_ a .deb is absurd) is enough
to just use the existing archive and mirror network, or if it'd still
be worth set
Frank Küster escreveu:
Santiago Vila <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Tim Cutts wrote:
(aside: I'd love it if we could have some sort of "user package"
system which could allow non-root users to install software packages
in areas they have access to, and yet have full de
he sysadmin mail command is our
friend) for the existence of new kernel..
>
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>
>
ps: DD's and debian contributers ... if i had not said this before,
"You're Cool". (ok, i'm cool too).
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Sex, 2007-06-08 às 06:21 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez escreveu:
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:36:57AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > Sex, 2007-06-08 às 09:58 +0200, Francesco P. Lovergine escreveu:
> > > On Thu, Jun 07, 2007 at 09:24:48AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> > >
Sex, 2007-06-08 às 13:01 +0200, Gabor Gombas escreveu:
> On Fri, Jun 08, 2007 at 11:36:57AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > i have 2 servers that i only login for apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
> > -y, they are running sarge (yet) and only install security upgrades.
&g
s; people using wifi modules raise their hands)
...
...
So ... automatically pass to testing ... is bad.
So ... more package tests are need (such as test reverse depends)
Then, announce snapshots and that testing is (+/-) STABLE, USABLE and
SECURE, presenting users with a clear message in de
Ter, 2007-06-12 às 23:32 +0200, Vince H&K escreveu:
> Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> > On 12/06/07 at 22:23 +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> >> NO!
> >>
> >> unstable is meant for packages that should be in the next stable release,
> >> as such only packages that are in the maintainer's opinion ready to
> >> m
Ter, 2007-06-12 às 17:03 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 12:42:34AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > Ter, 2007-06-12 às 22:05 +0200, Frans Pop escreveu:
> > > Personally I think the current system is fine.
>
> > just a note, as user:
>
>
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 03:45 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > look ... i don't want guaranties ... you know what i mean ... want a
> > place where it says "testing HAS security support, we focus on having
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 12:39 +0200, Gabor Gombas escreveu:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 11:28:52AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > kernel upgrades from 2.6.50 to 2.6.51 ... nvidia packages don't build in
> > time (they are not free, right?) ... kernel passes to testing ...
> &
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 14:16 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu:
> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > but why should I??? this goes against the "testing is always *WORKING*"
> > phrase. TESTING IS NOT ALWAYS WORKING.
>
> Having to use module-assistant
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 15:00 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu:
> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > having a working system *with* only debian *oficial* packages and then
> > after an upgrade that system stops working properly, i call it a
> > regression ...
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 18:09 -0400, Felipe Sateler escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 14:16 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu:
> >> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >>
> >> > but why should I??? this goes against the "testi
pass to testing *ready for stable*
(more or less) any snapshot would be quite stable and usable (+/- like
an ubuntu release - this was a bad joke).
Having this *release* would make people to use more debian.
Of course the system would be continuously updated.
>
> ciao,
> ema
>
>
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 16:18 -0700, Russ Allbery escreveu:
> For non-free, this is inevitable without significant changes to the
> way
> that Debian works that I don't believe will happen. Debian has
> provided a
> different solution in the form of module-assistant that in my
> experience
> works grea
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 19:20 -0400, David Nusinow escreveu:
> By the time it hit testing it worked pretty well for most people. We
> broke
> a few things, but it was nice for just about everyone. Everyone except
> those people using proprietary drivers, but they know they've already
> dug
> their own g
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 20:27 -0400, Felipe Sateler escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > Qua, 2007-06-13 às 18:09 -0400, Felipe Sateler escreveu:
> >> Installing a newer kernel is not an upgrade, in a sense. You are
> >> installing new software alongside the old one. Th
Qua, 2007-06-13 às 17:49 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu:
> On Wed, Jun 13, 2007 at 05:32:01PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > > > > Um, no. That does not happen automatically. In rare cases it happens
> > > > > because the release team has overridden the installabil
Qui, 2007-06-14 às 13:08 +0200, Emanuele Rocca escreveu:
> * Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [2007-06-14 1:14 +0100]:
> > Qui, 2007-06-14 às 01:04 +0200, Emanuele Rocca escreveu:
> > > Another option could be calling each snapshot cut -MM, or cut
> > >
Qui, 2007-06-14 às 19:18 +0200, Josselin Mouette escreveu:
> Le jeudi 14 juin 2007 à 14:33 +0100, Luis Matos a écrit :
> > I just want that automatic passages from unstable for testing, when
> > debian is not in a pre-stable-release state have more verifications such
> > as re
you to boot with the
old kernel as _special_ option.
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Qui, 2007-06-14 às 14:40 -0700, Steve Langasek escreveu:
> It's an example that does not support your thesis. I have explained
> to you
> that packages are *not* propagated automatically to testing when they
> break
> the installability of other packages present in testing; that the
> nvidia
> mod
Dom, 2007-06-24 às 17:05 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escreveu:
> Hello devolpers,
>
> I want devolp packages for debian, must I make it in stable or testing?
check your timetable ... do you want to develop your application to
start to use in th next two months or 2 years?
the first one, develop in
LOL ... i don't know why, i understand that he wanted to develop some
application for debian ... well .. i must not be in one of my days!
Dom, 2007-06-24 às 18:02 +0200, Guus Sliepen escreveu:
> On Sun, Jun 24, 2007 at 05:25:29PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
>
> > Dom, 2007-06-
Sex, 2007-07-06 às 18:47 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz escreveu:
> Hi,
>
> > My development workstation is running Debian, and I'd like to produce
> > both .deb and .rpm releases of my software.
you can easily use virtual machines like xen and qemu to build and test
them.
> --
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> <[EMAIL P
Qui, 2007-07-19 às 02:43 -0400, Kamaraju S Kusumanchi escreveu:
> Hi
>Can someone tell me what happened to the g77-3.4-doc package? Or better,
> How can I get a manual page for g77?
>
> Why I need this:- I was trying to compile refblas3 package with gfortran
> instead of g77. reflblas3's debia
Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu:
> Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with
> multimedia (means: surprise, you can use a desktop without music and
> movies).
I think we need to have multiple desktop tasks. One desktop-simple,
desktop-multimed
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 14:10 +0200, Michael Banck escreveu:
> On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 10:27:40AM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > Qua, 2007-08-08 às 20:30 +0200, Hendrik Sattler escreveu:
> > > Additionally, it should be noted that a desktop task has nothing with
> > > multi
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 15:24 -0300, Gustavo Franco escreveu:
> Btw, desktop-c-gtk-devel and desktop-python-gtk-devel makes no sense,
> IMHO. It's too specific that we will need
> desktop-$every_language_in_debian-gtk-devel. What a task like
> desktop-php-devel will contain, vim? For those who like emac
Qui, 2007-08-09 às 10:42 -0700, Joey Hess escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
> > having a console tasksel is not enough ... someone was developing a gtk+
> > front end ... right?
>
> DEBIAN_FRONTEND=gnome tasksel ?
>
that's a pretty hack ... why does tasksel does not ge
- install all the packages.
examples:
apt-backport install anjuta -t sid
this would download all needed dependencies from sid, recompile the
needed and install all.
apt-backport build anjuta -t sid
builds the needed dependencies and anjuta
is this doable?
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Seg, 2007-09-03 às 14:46 +0200, Sebastian Harl escreveu:
> Hi Luis,
>
> On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:09:14PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> > how about the development of tool on we could:
> >
> > - add the sid repos to sources.list
>
> This should be done manu
Seg, 2007-09-03 às 09:05 -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez escreveu:
> On Mon, Sep 03, 2007 at 01:09:14PM +0100, Luis Matos wrote:
> >
> > how about the development of tool on we could:
> >
> > - add the sid repos to sources.list
> > - with a simple command dow
a non embedded (i.e. a packaged)
library a bug... Are there known cases where this is a required condition?
Yes, dpkg for example links statically against libbz2 and zlib just to
pick a famous example.
Kind regards
Nico
So ... do as i say, don't do as i do !!!
kind regards
Luis Ma
Sex, 2006-11-10 às 13:52 +0100, Josselin Mouette escreveu:
> Le vendredi 10 novembre 2006 à 12:16 +0100, Holger Levsen a écrit :
> > last weekend I did a etch default debian install, in which gnome is the
> > default desktop environment. update-manager is installed as a part of it,
> > and
> > a
get debian installed in 15 minutes.
i know the work that would be needed and probably the bugs that would
come up... another choice would be a new package of modules, with the
correspondent udeb for d-i.
Please, don't kill me because someone has to talk about this once in a
while.
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Qua, 2007-01-03 às 22:13 +0100, Daniel Baumann escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
> > What i am saying is: is it possible to in a lenny or lenny++ change the
> > way debian upgrades it's stable, just for the kernel?
>
> both things are already solved unofficially. there are k
Qua, 2007-01-03 às 22:28 +0100, Daniel Baumann escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
> > So, if we loose security and stability ... why use debian?
>
> security and stability, that is excately what makes these backports
> unofficial (more stability and bugs are an issue tha
Maybe in the /debian package, there could be a package.png that is the
screenshot and make them available in the mirrors (pool).
maybe creating a file such as Packages.gz or an extension to it,
informing that it has the screenshot available.
then the user could access the pool ... or ... use so
Qui, 2007-01-04 às 11:10 +, Dominic Hargreaves escreveu:
> On Thu, Jan 04, 2007 at 11:00:16AM +, Paul Waring wrote:
>
> > I think the problem that many people find with Debian is that they do
> > want the stability and security of stable, but at the same time they
> > don't want to be a
Qui, 2007-01-04 às 16:43 -0500, Matthias Julius escreveu:
> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Qui, 2007-01-04 às 11:10 +, Dominic Hargreaves escreveu:
> >>
> >> backports.org is, to my mind, a perfect solution to this problem; it
> &g
Qui, 2007-01-04 às 16:49 -0500, Roberto C. Sanchez escreveu:
> - Requiring a new package upload just for screenshots (If we want to
> allow user contributed screenshots, the updates to the screenshots
> really need to be able to happen independently of the package
> uploads.
I think the "scre
Sex, 2007-01-05 às 00:57 +0100, Daniel Baumann escreveu:
> Luis Matos wrote:
> > backports use testing as base for the packages.
> > setting up security for backports is a bit easier than for testing. Lot
> > less packages.
> > My point is, for example, when the secu
Qui, 2007-01-04 às 20:22 -0500, Matthias Julius escreveu:
> Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >>
> >> There could be another archive called updates.debian.org where
> >> selected packages go in in coordination with the security and stable
>
Sex, 2007-01-05 às 14:13 +0100, Bernhard R. Link escreveu:
> Such a gallery should at least include some notice about the copyright
> owners and licenses of the parts it is composed from, best with also
> links to the source packages used. (And the one operating that gallery
> ask a lawyer if more
Later back, some issues occored and i was told that CC was not, but a
new version was to come.
is it considered free now? the 2.5 or 1.0?
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Sáb, 2007-01-06 às 12:01 +0100, Bernhard R. Link escreveu:
> * Luis Matos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [070105 18:13]:
> > > Such a gallery should at least include some notice about the copyright
> > > owners and licenses of the parts it is composed from, best with also
> &g
packages should come with symbolic link or the alias
option. Not to install directly on /var/www .
> Regards,
>
> -Roberto
>
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ave one. The nice
> > thing about Debian defaults is that no one forces you to use them.
>
> The way that Debian 'defaults' /var/www with Apache and inconsistently
> with Web applications isn't wanted usually by Webmasters. Though then
> again, that'
re
> upgraded, please let me know.
>
>
> Kindest regards,
>
> Maarten
>
>
>
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>
>
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mp;& apt-get
dist-upgrade -y ... it's not 2 days of work :P
besides this, i agree that fai is a lot better to manage all users ...
seems to be that these 27 machines have only local users (i think ... )
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> cheers
> -- vbi
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work (we can put this part for
gaming?).
just a funny note.
regards,
Luis Matos
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Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
On Tuesday 21 March 2006 02:09, Joey Hess wrote:
Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote:
So what do you people suggest in such cases:
1) Intel 1000MT NIC sucks, throw it away ?
2) Unh! Why don't you change to Debian Unstable ?
3) Buddy! We are all volunteers. Go and roll your
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