Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-13 Thread Peter Kriens
t; in my experience: > 1) blueprint is a disaster > 2) ipojo is over-kill > 3) ds is under-kill :-) > and yes, I would like to see some features of ipojo in scr > > Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint > From: Richard S. Hall > To: dev@

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-10 Thread Andrei Pozolotin
in my experience: 1) blueprint is a disaster 2) ipojo is over-kill 3) ds is under-kill :-) and yes, I would like to see some features of ipojo in scr Original Message Subject: Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint From: Richard S. Hall To: dev@felix.apache.org Date: Wed 08 Jun 2011 08

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-08 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 6/8/11 11:16, Peter Kriens wrote: Obviously everybody needs all these goodies you mention. However the choice is to do this in iPOJO with a new "language" and new semantics Actually, there is no new "language"...the annotations are basically the same as the ones you like for DS...but, yes,

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-08 Thread Peter Kriens
Obviously everybody needs all these goodies you mention. However the choice is to do this in iPOJO with a new "language" and new semantics attached to it or do it in Java. I am very familiar with the semantics of Java and the pain of the redundancy in Java over iPOJO in this area has not been hi

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-08 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 6/8/11 9:13, Peter Kriens wrote: The summary for me is that DS is limited to simplifying being a service and depending on other services while iPOJO and Blueprint add a programming language (XML/Annotations) that support services among many, many other features. In my experience DS is the

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-06-08 Thread Peter Kriens
The summary for me is that DS is limited to simplifying being a service and depending on other services while iPOJO and Blueprint add a programming language (XML/Annotations) that support services among many, many other features. In my experience DS is the simplest and least intrusive, especial

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-30 Thread Felix Meschberger
Hi, Just stating an incompletely informed opinion here .. If you want something simple, light-weight and easy to use, go for Declarative Services. If you want elaborate functionality or need something Declarative Services does not provide, consider iPojo (I understand it is an evolution of Decla

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread jie yan
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 05/25/2011 09:23 PM, jie yan wrote: > >> Maybe that can be called religious flame war, but it's valuable. What we >> really need in open community is simple and perfect product in technology, >> but not many repeat manufacturing wheels

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 05/25/2011 09:23 PM, jie yan wrote: Maybe that can be called religious flame war, but it's valuable. What we really need in open community is simple and perfect product in technology, but not many repeat manufacturing wheels like some outside companies. When implementing any software there a

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 05/25/2011 06:00 PM, Marcel Offermans wrote: Wouldn't it make more sense to add this to the Felix FAQ instead. In any case I'd be happy to add Dependency Manager to the list if nobody objects. Well, we can point to it from any number of places, so I'm not sure if it matters where it leave

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread jie yan
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 6:02 AM, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: > > > Alasdair Nottingham > > On 25 May 2011, at 22:16, "Richard S. Hall" wrote: > > > On 5/25/11 16:26, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: > >> Hi, > >> > >> This is good I might link to it, or pinch it for the aries webpage too > >> if that i

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Alasdair Nottingham
Alasdair Nottingham On 25 May 2011, at 22:16, "Richard S. Hall" wrote: > On 5/25/11 16:26, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is good I might link to it, or pinch it for the aries webpage too >> if that is ok. When doing that thought I would put some changes into >> the blueprint co

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Marcel Offermans
Wouldn't it make more sense to add this to the Felix FAQ instead. In any case I'd be happy to add Dependency Manager to the list if nobody objects. On May 25, 2011, at 23:16 , Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 5/25/11 16:26, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: >> Hi, >> >> This is good I might link to it, or

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 5/25/11 16:26, Alasdair Nottingham wrote: Hi, This is good I might link to it, or pinch it for the aries webpage too if that is ok. When doing that thought I would put some changes into the blueprint column. The Aries blueprint implementation provides some value add that would change some of

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Alasdair Nottingham
Hi, This is good I might link to it, or pinch it for the aries webpage too if that is ok. When doing that thought I would put some changes into the blueprint column. The Aries blueprint implementation provides some value add that would change some of the No's into Yes's. One thing though in compo

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 5/25/11 9:19, Richard S. Hall wrote: We actually have a table in our book (OSGi in Action) that tries to compare the features...perhaps I could re-create that table on a web page... Ok, I added the table to the iPOJO FAQ on wiki: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FELIX/iPOJO

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Richard S. Hall
We actually have a table in our book (OSGi in Action) that tries to compare the features...perhaps I could re-create that table on a web page... -> richard On 5/25/11 5:26, jie yan wrote: +1 Regards, drhades On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:2

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread jie yan
+1 Regards, drhades On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Alex Karasulu wrote: > On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Richard S. Hall >wrote: > > > On 05/24/2011 09:46 PM, jie yan wrote: > > > >> I wonder what is the difference between these three component runtime. > >> > > > > They all manage service

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-25 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 6:28 AM, Richard S. Hall wrote: > On 05/24/2011 09:46 PM, jie yan wrote: > >> I wonder what is the difference between these three component runtime. >> > > They all manage service dependencies. Blueprint and iPOJO provide more > sophisticated features than DS. Each has a di

Re: iPOJO vs SCR vs Blueprint

2011-05-24 Thread Richard S. Hall
On 05/24/2011 09:46 PM, jie yan wrote: I wonder what is the difference between these three component runtime. They all manage service dependencies. Blueprint and iPOJO provide more sophisticated features than DS. Each has a different focus or goal. Is there the best one which can take over