Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-24 Thread Kürti László
>> There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example the STIX >> family of fonts includes every symbol and character for the entire universe >> of scientific/technical publishing. That is true, but what will happen when you send .pdf with those fonts to windows desktop or MAC. You

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
P.P.S.: And of course, even when both the sender and the recipient have the same font installed on their system, there still is no iron-clad guarantee that both will see the exact same thing on their computer screen, due to the variety of display schemes (ClearType sub-pixel rendering etc.) in circ

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-23 Thread aqualung
A postscript: "Free" does not necessarily mean lower quality. Some beautiful free fonts that I have on my system include - Yanone Kaffeesatz - Lavoisier - Ubuntu - and of course the terrific Linux Libertine G and Linux Biolinum G There are free fonts for all sorts of special needs, for example th

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-22 Thread aqualung
Italo Vignoli wrote: > > I was working as a consultant for Adobe at that time, and I have been > the PDF spokeperson for Europe for several years. > > It is true that many years have gone by, but fonts are handled by > operating systems in the same way. If they are not installed in their > sp

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-22 Thread aqualung
I had understood Mirek's proposal to mean that there would be one "official" online font repository, or perhaps several. Embedding a non-embeddable font in a document file is simply not possible, according to what I've read so far. Installing an installable font embedded in a file as a system fon

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 2011-03-22 12:35, Italo Vignoli wrote: > On 03/21/2011 11:44 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: > >> As pointed out, it may not be possible to package fonts in the document >> file because of the Open Document standard, although I would have though >> it would have been flexible enough to enable packagi

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Italo Vignoli
On 03/21/2011 11:44 PM, Steve Edmonds wrote: As pointed out, it may not be possible to package fonts in the document file because of the Open Document standard, although I would have though it would have been flexible enough to enable packaging of future items, otherwise it would be limiting to

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 22/03/11 06:44, aqualung wrote: > O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem > embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded? > > I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move, > with inapposite answers to comments and then

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Jason Corfman
One other problem with embedding the font in the file (which I didn't see anyone bring up, and if they did, I apologize) is it would increase the file size for the document. That isn't much of a concern with a single document, but if you have a couple thousand documents, each with the same font(s)

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread aqualung
O.K., so is everyone now in agreement that there is no legal problem embedding a font that explicitly licenses itself to be embedded? I am new here and am a bit mystified at the way discussion seems to move, with inapposite answers to comments and then the point gets lost along the way. This htt

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone, I believe this would be better solved with LibreOffice integration with online font repositories, like openfontlibrary.org, theleagueofmoveabletype.com or Google Web Fonts. If I received a document with a font I don't have installed, LibO should look it

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Thanks Jean-Baptiste, yes, that's what I meant :-) Charles. 2011/3/21 Jean-Baptiste Faure > Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit : > > Thank you, that is very clear. > > > > I am still not understanding Charles' comment. > Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the > sof

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread aqualung
Right, that's valuable information. However, it had nothing to do with my first comment in the thread. You have a nice day too! Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: > > Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the > software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-21 Thread Steve Edmonds
Thanks. I understand now. steve On 21/03/11 7:28 PM, Jean-Baptiste Faure wrote: Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit : Thank you, that is very clear. I am still not understanding Charles' comment. Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the software but must be first a

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread Jean-Baptiste Faure
Le 20/03/2011 23:25, aqualung a écrit : > Thank you, that is very clear. > > I am still not understanding Charles' comment. Charles meant that embedded fonts is not really a problem for the software but must be first adressed by the OpenDocument format which is not under the control of LibreOffice.

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you, that is very clear. I am still not understanding Charles' comment. Steve Edmonds wrote: > > Hi. sorry, this is probably my imprecise english. By suite I meant the > LO suite (group) of products, were font embedding in files to be > extended to more than writer. Otherwise, if font e

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread Steve Edmonds
On 21/03/11 10:20 AM, aqualung wrote: Thank you for your reply but I do not understand. The OP was making a feature request for font embedding to be added to LibreOffice. I commented on the licensing aspect. Now you note something about a "suite" -- do you mean "suite" as in "office suite"?

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread aqualung
Thank you for your reply but I do not understand. The OP was making a feature request for font embedding to be added to LibreOffice. I commented on the licensing aspect. Now you note something about a "suite" -- do you mean "suite" as in "office suite"? Microsoft's Office suite has this ability.

Re: RE : [tdf-discuss] Re: Feature request - embed font

2011-03-20 Thread Steve Edmonds
I suppose what I was thinking would be usefull was to have a directory within the odt file called fonts. LO would check here first for fonts called in the document. I could copy my custom TT or type 1 fonts here thereby making my document portable. This seems relatively simple. More work is invo