Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
> > > I thought the 1 thread execution scheduler was deprecated in gnuradio? > > al fayez > You may still turn it off, but the TPB scheduling policy is now the default. -- Principal Investigator Shirleys Bay Radio Astronomy Consortium http://www.sbrac.org __

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Almohanad Fayez
I thought the 1 thread execution scheduler was deprecated in gnuradio? al fayez -Original Message- From: Michael Dickens To: Alexander Chemeris Cc: Gnuradio-discuss Sent: Sat, May 28, 2011 11:38 am Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Is there information about what is the biggest latency-injector in GnuRadio? Nearly all of the basic computational blocks are as blazing-fast as they can be on a general-purpose CPU. The biggest latency injector is the scheduler in general, and the buffer management part of that scheduler

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:59, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> Real-time is not about performance, but about predictability ;) I have to >> be sure that my flowgraph always executes before the deadline is hit. So >> everything that introduces jitter is a no-no. > > In general, Gnu Radio executes on gene

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:52, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> Problem here is that FIFO's are not very well suited for real-time >> operation, IIRC. Have you tried a shared memory and shared signals >> across applications? >> > It depends on what you mean by "real time".  Certainly FIFO I/O will be > s

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Real-time is not about performance, but about predictability ;) I have to be sure that my flowgraph always executes before the deadline is hit. So everything that introduces jitter is a no-no. In general, Gnu Radio executes on general-purpose OSes, which means that there will *always* be micros

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Problem here is that FIFO's are not very well suited for real-time operation, IIRC. Have you tried a shared memory and shared signals across applications? It depends on what you mean by "real time". Certainly FIFO I/O will be slower than intra-flowgraph ring buffers, but not so horribly slugg

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 19:38, Michael Dickens wrote: > On May 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Chemeris wrote: >> 5) How well is GnuRadio suited for real-time operation? > > In a general sense, yes, GNU Radio is well suited for real-time signal > processing of data streams.  That said: "Real tim

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Michael Dickens
On May 28, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Alexander Chemeris wrote: > 5) How well is GnuRadio suited for real-time operation? In a general sense, yes, GNU Radio is well suited for real-time signal processing of data streams. That said: "Real time" is only meaningful knowing the performance criteria. What

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 18:23, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> Cool! It would be truly great to see a simplified example of this in >> the GnuRadio repository, and at least somehow mentioned on the wiki. > Yes, I suppose it would.  I'll put it on my list, but so many other > things to do :-( > >>> The o

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi community, On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 23:50, Alexander Chemeris wrote: > Hi community, > > Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) > approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our > Matlab model decodes broadcast messages from all recordings we hav

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Marcus D. Leech
> Cool! It would be truly great to see a simplified example of this in > the GnuRadio repository, and at least somehow mentioned on the wiki. Yes, I suppose it would. I'll put it on my list, but so many other things to do :-( >> The other "trick" that I use is to use the XMLRPC server stuff that

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Anti-tivoization is one of main differences (but not the only), but it's about a different issue. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization On Sat, May 28, 2011 at 05:14, Colby Boyer wrote: > Isn't the main difference between v2 and v3 the "Tivo Exception" as > the call it? Not sure. > > I guess I

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 18:10, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > On 26/05/2011 9:55 AM, Michael Dickens wrote: >> >> It would be great if you could share with the list example code snippets >> of how you do the pipes.  For example: Where in an online repository one can >> find such code. >> >> I think that

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 23:21, Jeff Brower wrote: > Michael- > >> Hi Alexander - I think Martin & Tom covered that GNU Radio >> is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver >> processing.  You might need to play around a bit with your >> DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 22:29, Michael Dickens wrote: > Hi Alexander - I think Martin & Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable > of being programmed for the basic receiver processing.  You might need to play > around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's data > process

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 13:55, Tom Rondeau wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Martin Braun wrote: >> >> On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: >> > Hi community, >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> > Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) >> > app

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-28 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi Martin, hi all, I'm sorry for delayed replies. That's not because I don't care - I just have very tight schedule at this moment. On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 10:04, Martin Braun wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: >> Hi community, > > Hi Alex, > >> Our WiMA

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Jeff Brower
Colby- >> How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel >> without running into GPL2 issues? I can only recall that there is a >> "user-land" and a "kernel-land" driver, where the "kernel-land" is the >> only part that is open source. Is this correct? >> >> Perhaps that met

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Colby Boyer
Isn't the main difference between v2 and v3 the "Tivo Exception" as the call it? Not sure. I guess I should add IANAL. TINLA. :P On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: >> How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel >> without running into GPL2 issues

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Marcus D. Leech
How do the companies write closed-source drivers for the Linux Kernel without running into GPL2 issues? I can only recall that there is a "user-land" and a "kernel-land" driver, where the "kernel-land" is the only part that is open source. Is this correct? Perhaps that method could work well? I

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Colby Boyer
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Jeff Brower wrote: > Marcus- > >>> Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid >>> response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU >>> radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be >>> receiving "how to'

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-27 Thread Jeff Brower
Marcus- >> Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid >> response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU >> radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be >> receiving "how to's", not "INALs". -Jeff > Actually, IANAL is a perfectly-vali

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-26 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 26/05/2011 9:55 AM, Michael Dickens wrote: It would be great if you could share with the list example code snippets of how you do the pipes. For example: Where in an online repository one can find such code. I think that's what Jeff was getting at: that "we" are providing IANAL advice rat

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-26 Thread Michael Dickens
On May 25, 2011, at 6:23 PM, Marcus D. Leech wrote: > Actually, IANAL is a perfectly-valid response. IP licensing arrangements are > complicated and studded with sinkholes and minefields. Yes; exactly. Think of it this way: If we don't put "IANAL, TINLA" then one could possibly, if IMHO unreas

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Marcus D. Leech
Alexander is asking excellent questions and I'm surprised at the tepid response -- he's got like 4 replies so far? He's the prototype GNU radio user who needs to maintain his group's IP, he should be receiving "how to's", not "INALs". -Jeff Actually, IANAL is a perfectly-valid response. IP lice

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Jeff Brower
Michael- > Hi Alexander - I think Martin & Tom covered that GNU Radio > is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver > processing. You might need to play around a bit with your > DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's data > processing is up to the task. > > On May 23, 2011,

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-25 Thread Michael Dickens
Hi Alexander - I think Martin & Tom covered that GNU Radio is quite capable of being programmed for the basic receiver processing. You might need to play around a bit with your DSP blocks, but otherwise I think GNU Radio's data processing is up to the task. On May 23, 2011, at 3:50 PM, Alexand

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-24 Thread Tom Rondeau
On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:04 AM, Martin Braun wrote: > On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: > > Hi community, > > Hi Alex, > > > Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) > > approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - o

Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-23 Thread Martin Braun
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:50:52PM +0400, Alexander Chemeris wrote: > Hi community, Hi Alex, > Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) > approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our > Matlab model decodes broadcast messages from all recordings w

[Discuss-gnuradio] To implement WiMAX with GnuRadio or not?

2011-05-23 Thread Alexander Chemeris
Hi community, Our WiMAX Scanner project (http://code.google.com/p/wimax-scanner/) approaches the moment when we should start writing C/C++ code - our Matlab model decodes broadcast messages from all recordings we have on hands. At this point we have to make a choice - rely on GnuRadio or create o