RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-20 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
:02 PM To: Ken Javor; Ralph McDiarmid; ieee pstc list Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG Your point is well taken Ken, and this certainly is interesting. My approach to the concept of "average" does indeed run afoul of the limitations of measurement devices and the potential for

RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-19 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
com.com; Ralph McDiarmid; ieee pstc list > Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG > > > Now this is getting interesting. If you arbitrarily reduce the VBW until > you see no time dependent amplitude variation, I think that leads to > non-repeatability. That is, if my spectrum anal

RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-19 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
17, 2004 8:14 PM > To: bdew...@ix.netcom.com; Ralph McDiarmid; ieee pstc list > Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG > > > Now this is getting interesting. If you arbitrarily reduce the VBW until > you see no time dependent amplitude variation, I think that leads to > non-repea

Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-18 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
;Brent DeWitt" > Reply-To: > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 18:39:11 -0800 > To: "Ralph McDiarmid" , "ieee pstc list" > > Subject: RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG > > Hi Ralph, > > The HP 8568 and 8566 have a "video averaging" function, which av

RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
il: brent.dew...@ckc.com phone: 425-883-4757 cell: 425-417-8228 > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf > Of Ralph McDiarmid > Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 11:51 AM > To: ieee pstc list > Subject: RE: Conduc

RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-17 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
er-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Cortland Richmond Sent: December 16, 2004 1:04 PM To: Alex McNeil; ieee pstc list Subject: Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG Alex McNeil asked: >> Is the problem that the Test House may have used "AVG BW 30KHz" and >&g

Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Alex McNeil asked: >> Is the problem that the Test House may have used "AVG BW 30KHz" and this should have been "AVG BW 9KHz" the problem << Sure looks like it from what you posted. There've been discussions here -- it comes up every so often -- how to to do averaging on a SA. Without knowing how

Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
>>>scale set to LOG, <<< OOPS, that should have been LINEAR Sorry. Bob Richards wrote: Alex, It is very common that the emissions plots will be made with the RBW and VBW that you mentioned. The actual QP and AV measurements should have the instrument set with the appropriate detector a

Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Alex, It is very common that the emissions plots will be made with the RBW and VBW that you mentioned. The actual QP and AV measurements should have the instrument set with the appropriate detector and bandwidths. The RBW should always be 9kHz, and for the average measurement the VBW should be si

RE: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:19 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG Hi Guys, I had a product tested that failed the conducted emissions. The switch mode power supply was the problem. It runs at approx. 200KHz. The failed readings were in the 150KHz to 600KHz band. The

Re: Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Are you sure it says AVG BW 30kHz, and not AVG BW 30 Hz? Is this a typo? Also, quasi-peak should always be at or below the peak measurement. This is why a peak measurement can be made (quickly) and compared to the quasi-peak limit line, and if all the peaks are below the quasi-peak limit, the meas

Conducted Emissions PK/AVG

2004-12-16 Thread owner-emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Guys, I had a product tested that failed the conducted emissions. The switch mode power supply was the problem. It runs at approx. 200KHz. The failed readings were in the 150KHz to 600KHz band. The peaks were over the Avg and below the QPk, so the Avg test was done. This resulted in the failures