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Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe Horns
I have the feeling that I may have replied to Ed Glick's query on the
wrong list. Or perhaps he asked both lists. For what it's worth, here's
my contribution:
I believe that the "New Symphony Model" Kruspe (definitely no umlaut)
was
I have the feeling that I may have replied to Ed Glick's query on the
wrong list. Or perhaps he asked both lists. For what it's worth, here's
my contribution:
I believe that the "New Symphony Model" Kruspe (definitely no umlaut)
was specifically
developed in the 1920s to create a full double
Here are some observations I would like to share in regards to some of
the recent postings on the horn list.
First of all, as to the Schmidt mouthpipe being called a a" narrow
taper "mouthpipe, I think that this is somewhat misleading terminology.
The generally accepted description by most make
Ken, to clarify:
Actually, 3 Kruspes were assayed, all owned by Caswell Neal, well known L.A.
amateur and Kruspe collector (he owned 26 Kruspes at one point). One was
done by Cas and two by Walter. All three horns were from the 1930's. Dave
Weiner's story of earlier was true of one of
I forgot to include this link in my last posting. It's a later Kruspe
catalogue, I think, that illustrates the horns, but without the model
numbers (with one exception). There are also a couple of additional horn
models shown:
http://www.geocities.co.jp/MusicHall-Horn/2569/kruspe/krusp.html
Dawn,
I think that there is another answer: You simply aren't seeing the
music that has the good horn parts. Trust me, there are composers
and arrangers of modern band music who definitely know how to write
good horn parts.
Carlisle
On Nov 24, 2007, at 9:12 PM, Dawn McCandless wrote:
Hi Dawn,
I don't know if it's equal to a Benge H-2, but, King
used to make an H-2 model MPC. It had a rather smallish
bore at drill size 18, a rim width of 4.2 mm and a 17-17.5 mm
(depending on how/where you measure) inside diameter cup
that was very deep and slightly concave. I don't th
The minimum asking for the horn is not really a question that can be fully
answered except to say it is being sold with no reserve. Also, that it is only
for sale in the U.S. & Canada because of other problems I've had shipping these
kinds of things over seas. It took 3 months for a mouthpiece
What will your minimum be if I might ask?
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It is a single horn in F. Looked up the pictures on
It is a single horn in F. Looked up the pictures on line and it is definately
a Leipzig model. I've had a long time set up with eBay to sell a few things
here and there. Mostly buy my guitar supplies and watch for necessary brass
things to buy such as my son's sused baritone, etc. When the s
On Nov 18, 2007, at 10:00 PM, Hunt,Thomas wrote:
Try the hornplayer first. Talk to Ken Pope and te Brss Arts
Unlimited folks first.
This gives me an opportunity to plug the newly redesigned IHS Online
web site, which includes a new and vastly improved marketplace, where
members can buy,
Try the hornplayer first. Talk to Ken Pope and te Brss Arts Unlimited folks
first.
Is it a single f or Bb?
tom in iowa
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Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe horn- last
Hi Everyone,
Due to sudden crisis in our lives other things are more important to us right
now I have decided to sell my battered Kruspe single horn. I know eBay is
unconventional for professional horn people. I'm just letting you know if this
is allowed. That is where I occasionally sell a
Thank you all for your help with the horn. I am on a relatives computer that was
able to get the Japanese site with the pictures. It is a 1930 Waldhorn in F
Modell Leipzig. Thank you all!
Dawn Marie
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Dawn:
Nickel-silver braces, rotor caps, valve slide casings, etc. as you
describe are standard practice on most brass horns. But where is the
"worn ring" you describe? Is it around the bell throat or the perimeter
(rim) of the bell? Some horns have an ornamental "krantz" (wreath) in a
contras
A bit more on the Kruspe: The rotor caps, slide casings, lead pipe, little
finger hook, thumb hook, the ferrule where the bell flare meets the body of the
horn, brace to bell and diamond shaped plate on the bell are silver colored.
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Hi Ed:
That number is presumably a part identification number. On my "New
Symphony Model" Kruspe, the thumb valve cap and upper bearing plate are
stamped with "35," while the other three valve caps and bearing plates
are stamped "12," "11." and "10." My guess is that these numbers were
emplo
Richard's description of pre-WW II Kruspe horns matches, for the most part, my
horn. I bought my double Kruspe in 1940. I was told then it was about twenty
years old, so that would mean the horn was built around 1920. As far as I can
see, there is nothing that looks like a typical serial number
I would doubt that any horns were made in Germany in 1942 for any purpose:
brass was a critical material. Does anyone know for sure? In fact, I'm still
surprised that horns were made in the US in 1945. My first horn was a King,
brand new, in 1945. It was the Kruspe copy with the upside down change
Hi Dawn:
As far as I know, Kruspe horns rarely, if ever, had actual production
serial numbers. What they often had, however, was the design patent
number engraved on the bell below the Kruspe eagle trademark. The design
patent number is commonly preceded by the initials D.R.G.M (Deutsches
Rei
--- Dawn McCandless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial
> numbers? There is a
> 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it?
>
> The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in
> Germany
Hi,
Just obtained an old Single Kruspe horn. Where would one find any serial
numbers? There is a 16 on the bottom of the middle valve cap. Is that it?
The horn is brass, has string rotors and says: EDKRUSPE, ERFURT and Made in
Germany. It was the previous owners fathers horn and he is 85
In a message dated 3/14/2006 8:03:54 AM Central Standard Time,
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When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history of
the company?
Hi,
I believe they're still in business. Try:
_www.edkruspe.de_ (http://www.edkruspe.de)
Regards,Jer
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When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history
of
the company?
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When did Kruspe stop making horns? Is there a website that has a history of
the company?
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Ash Brown wrote
> I know that this topic comes up every now and then, but I
> hope you'll bear with me. What are the supposed
> advantages/disadvantages of Kruspe-style and Geyer-style wraps?
>
> Thanks in advanced!
I suggest you look at the archives as this was discussed quite recently,
perha
Hello,
I know that this topic comes up every now and then, but I hope you'll bear
with me. What are the supposed advantages/disadvantages of Kruspe-style and
Geyer-style wraps?
Thanks in advanced!
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Subject: RE: [Hornlist] Kruspe vs Geyer wrap horns
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 10:20:56 -0400
Adam Black wrote:
> Hello - I am an amateur (returning) player, looking at
> upgrading my current horn in the near future (a yamaha 661).
>
There are more then 25 recognised ways to wrap a double horn . Each horn is
different , and I do not mean the brand- one Alexander 505 can be wonderful
, and the other one - utterly ridiculous.Do not bother yourself with these .
Try a horn , and if :
a)the sound is good
b) the intonation is good
c)
Adam Black wrote:
> Hello - I am an amateur (returning) player, looking at
> upgrading my current horn in the near future (a yamaha 661).
> I have been reading a bit on what horn may be useful. I am
> still a bit confused over the Geyer vs Kruspe wrapped horns -
> differences, pros/cons etc. C
Hello - I am an amateur (returning) player, looking at upgrading my current
horn in the near future (a yamaha 661). I have been reading a bit on what
horn may be useful. I am still a bit confused over the Geyer vs Kruspe
wrapped horns - differences, pros/cons etc. Can anyone help? Any other
adv
has a
DRGM registration number engraved on the bell under the Kruspe logo, but no
"Made in Germany."
Richard in Seattle
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Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton (was Holton'
In a message dated 4/30/2005 12:54:09 P.M. Central Standard Time,
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I'll be touring Vienna & Salzburg and Prague with a US Chamber Orchestra in
Mid July of 2005. Does anyone know where the place is that they
manufacture(d) Kruspe Horns. I've got one made in 1918 I'd
I'll be touring Vienna & Salzburg and Prague with a US Chamber Orchestra in
Mid July of 2005. Does anyone know where the place is that they
manufacture(d) Kruspe Horns. I've got one made in 1918 I'd like to show
them. Thanks. Brass Tax.
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Jay writes
>>Leonard,
I'm not at all familiar with the Holton horn in question, but I can shed a
bit of light concerning the Kruspe "New Symphony" model. I bought this one
as a basket case and had it restored. See link below.
It is definitely made of yellow brass, and somewhat resembles the Con
Jay Sewell wrote:
As best as I can measure with my calipers, it has a
.472" bore (i.e. "large" bore, a la 8D)..
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The 8D has always had a bore of .468" (11.89mm).
Cheers,
Steven Ovitsky
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Subject: [Hornlist] Kruspe/Holton (was Holton's German Design team)
I'm not at all familiar with the Holton horn in question, but I can shed a
bit of light concerning the Kruspe "Ne
> date: Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:57:12 -0500
> from: "Leonard Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> subject: [Hornlist] Holton's German Design team
>
> Wrong list or not, I had heard the same story from Farkas, he told
them=
> =20
> they had the worst horn in the business and they asked him to help design
a
Dee Anne and others,
I am afraid that you are going to have to go to the other list for my reply.
It popped up there. Very strange because I know that I answered from this
list.
Mark L.
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I saw that horn at Paxman, but mine is nickel silver from the 1920's (so
Walt Lawson said in his appraisal) with the backwards change valve.
Paul
Tom Warner wrote:
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Paul S. LaFollette wrote:
I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) pric
On Wednesday, August 27, 2003, at 02:58 AM, Paul S. LaFollette wrote:
I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being
paid for these instruments in Japan, and wanted to know if there was
any interest out there and what the best way to sell the horn would
be. I had it on Hor
Masako Owada? She might have eight Gs to spend on a horn. Seriously
though, why not list it again on hornplayer.net?
http://hornplayer.net/ How about yahoo.japan?
You ain't gonna get the biggest bucks from a north american, but you
never know...
Bob Marlatt
Boston MA
Who would you suggest I c
Why has the world gone schimdt crazy? You can hardly get them to blend well
with different horns in a section.definately a solo effort..
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Hey All,
Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known
out of the USA?
Thanks, Paul LaFollette
Toru Ikeno wrote:
>
>
>
>Greetings from Japan,
>
>Drive the Delorian and visit Japan
Hey All,
Who would you suggest I contact to make the horn's availability known
out of the USA?
Thanks, Paul LaFollette
Toru Ikeno wrote:
Greetings from Japan,
Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s.
http://www.bttfmovie.com/
Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobo
Paul:
There was little interest because the world has gone Schmid crazy.
Julio de la Rosa
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Paul wrote:
> I've heard rumors of very high ($8000.00 to $10,000.00) prices being
paid
> for these instruments in Japan,
Greetings from Japan,
Drive the Delorian and visit Japan in early 1990s.
http://www.bttfmovie.com/
Japanese Yen was very strong to US dollar and nobody knows the inter
Hey, All
I have a Kruspe Anton Horner model I'd like to sell, and I was
wondering if anyone out there knows what the demand for these types of
instruments is these days.
It was played in the Philadelphia Orchestra for number of years by Mr.
Randy Gardner, and I have been told that it can be h
Unfortunately no, it was more like a chinese-made ebay "Kruspe"
stencil doughnut. THOUGH a couple days earlier management DID bring
us genuine (and HOT) Krispy Kremes between shows a couple days
earlier. Orchestra morale and blood sugar levels were elevated
greatly that afternoon.
Bob Marl
Achah ! Wherre arre yoo umming fdom, sirr ? Arrent you priviledsched ? Are you dearer
? - Sorry, with all the Intel-ee-gen-tsia, the half Chinese cheap maker.
Merry Christmas John
Hans
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"John Baumgart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb:
> Ignore CNN. It is the voic
Ignore CNN. It is the voice of Ted Turner and others of the "enlightened
intelligentsia," definitely not that of America.
Oh, and don't forget "Pockeeston."
Merry Christmas
John Baumgart
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Very simple:
Kruspe sounds exactly as "crew´s - pe" - the last "e" like in "pedagogical". The
emphasis is on the first syllabe. *
Merry Christmas
Hans
When I listen to the CNN speakers & notice their pronounciation of your language, I
would like to stop them speaking with their "
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Not to open up opinion time, but can someone help with the proper
pronunciation of Kruspe? I have heard so many variations, I don't know where
to start.
Thanks,
Phil
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Mark Louttit wrote:
...the distinguished principal horn from Minnesota would be less charitable
as would anyone else who has professional training in either cultural
anthropology or sociology) but essentially when Americans are in a position
> of strength and world dominance big nickel horns
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Mark Louttit wrote:
> ...the distinguished principal horn from Minnesota would be less charitable
> as would anyone else who has professional training in either cultural
> anthropology or sociology) but essentially when Americans are in a positio
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> I'm curious why it matters. There are plenty of people who play each
> general style - I sa
I work at a music store and we sell tons more Conn 8D's and Holton 188's (8D
copy) than any other double horn
Sonja
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At 08:44 PM 11/27/02 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I play a Merker (very happily), and live near Chicago.
So does Ethel.
John Kowalchuk maker of mutes/horns/canoes/paddles/bikes
Oshawa, Ontario http://home.ca.inter.net/~horn1
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Hmm, around my little pocket of the midwest, I've noticed a number of musicians
actually move to a smaller throated instrument. There are 3 or so professional
orchestras within an hour, and there isn't a single 8D(or similar) horn in any of th
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The Kruspe vs. Geyer debate will probably continue for many years. In
addition to preference, don't forget that the "popular" style is very
regional. I play a Merker (very happily), and live near Chicago.
Phil Jacobs
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I think that Mr. Kosta is just curious about market trends, though I agree
that you should play what you like. In response to the original question, I
have definitely noticed an emphasis on the larger bore horns, particularly
the 8-D. In Jr. High,
I'm curious why it matters. There are plenty of people who play each
general style - I say play what you like...
B
On Wednesday, November 27, 2002, at 04:59 PM, J. Kosta wrote:
It seemed that for a while the Geyer wrap, and 'smaller throated' horns
were all the rage. Has the pendulum swung bac
In the USA, it seems that there are several new versions of Kruspe wrap
horns being introduced and gaining in popularity - for example - Holton
Merker, Patterson, Patterson conversion, Atkinson, Osmun conversion, new
Yamaha 668II, and maybe others. Also the new 8D's seem to continue to be
popular a
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