In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 02/06/2007
at 04:08 PM, Paul Gilmartin [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
First, the term APAR is dismayingly overloaded. It can be either a
problem report or (short for APAR fix) a sort of interim PTF made
available in an emergency, prior to official release of a PTF.
Or
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at 09:11 PM, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
Our service provider missed on a critcal PTF (cross memory services),
because it was bundled, in an APAR, with 13 others, of which some
were PE'd. That is their explanation.
I doubt it. It might help if you
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Our service provider missed on a critcal PTF (cross memory services),
because
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Individual PTFs, APARs, USERMODs, etc. can be selectively applied.
That's what I
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:40:09 +, Ted MacNEIL wrote:
I'm still confused, though. I think you said that there were 13
PTFs bundled in the APAR, and some of them were PE.
I guess I'm not being clear.
They were PE'd later, I think.
Is this bleeding-edge service? How long has it been from the
Is this bleeding-edge service?
Q2-2006
How long has it been from the time the service was applied until it went into
production?
Too long!
Actually, the service wasn't applied at all.
That's what caused us to back out and burn our schedule.
Was it selected by RSU or by some other method?
You have to talk to the salesman? Are you a company employee or do you work
for another service provider?
Not a salesman.
I'm the technical liasson between us an the service provider.
I'm the 'goto' guy for all things mainframe, for our company, but even I don't
know everything! (8-{}}
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:30:05 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have to talk to the salesman? Are you a company employee or d
you work for another service provider?
Not a salesman.
I'm the technical liasson between us an the service provider.
I'm the 'goto' guy for all things
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That's what I thought.
But, they claim it's a lot of work to sift through the APAR and pick out
the non-PE'd (and their associated apply chains).
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On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:30:05 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have to talk to the salesman? Are you a company employee or d
you work for another service provider?
Not a salesman.
I'm the technical liasson between us an the service provider.
I'm
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:34:37 +
Individual PTFs, APARs, USERMODs, etc. can be selectively applied.
That's what I thought.
But, they claim it's a lot of work to sift through the APAR and pick out the
non-PE'd (and their associated apply
On Wed, 7 Feb 2007 14:30:05 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You have to talk to the salesman? Are you a company employee or do
you work for another service provider?
Not a salesman.
I'm the technical liasson between us an the service provider.
Here's another thought -- if you can't
So you are an employee of the company? In that case, I think that if I were
you I'd be asking my boss why I can't talk directly to the people doing the
work, rather than through a translator.
Can we talk to level II or higher, automatically?
The out-sourcing contract states how we are to
Don't let them shine you with that line!! Yes it's work, but that's just
part of the game. That's part of their job, to work.
Yes. I didn't mean that they won't do the work.
They're just delaying our migration while they do it.
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
Our service provider missed on a critcal PTF (cross memory services), because
it was bundled, in an APAR, with 13 others, of which some were PE'd.
That is their explanation.
Since (and I admit it) I have not had the pleasure of working with SMP/E, I do
not know:
1. Is their explanation valid? Is
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Subject: Basic SMP/E question
Our service provider missed on a critcal PTF (cross memory services),
because it was bundled, in an APAR, with 13 others
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007 21:11:13 +, Ted MacNEIL [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
1. Is it all or nothing?
2. Or, can they apply them (easily) individually?
The answer to both can be yes. It depends on what you mean by bundled.
If it was PRE/CO REQ'd with the PE'd ones, then, yes, it is all or
nothing.
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Our service provider missed on a critcal PTF (cross memory
services), because it was bundled, in an APAR, with 13
others, of which some were PE'd.
That is their explanation.
Since (and I admit it) I
Have the APAR handy? We could take a look.
I have been trying to get two things:
1. The meaning of 'bundled'.
2. The APAR/PTF #'s.
So far, all our service provider has given me is a soft-shoe and a side-step.
I'm not on a witch-hunt; I just want to ensure it doesn't happen again.
But, they
Individual PTFs, APARs, USERMODs, etc. can be selectively applied.
That's what I thought.
But, they claim it's a lot of work to sift through the APAR and pick out the
non-PE'd (and their associated apply chains).
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Too busy driving to stop for gas!
-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL
Individual PTFs, APARs, USERMODs, etc. can be selectively applied.
That's what I thought.
But, they claim it's a lot of work to sift through the APAR
and pick out the non-PE'd (and their associated
In a recent note, Ted MacNEIL said:
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:28:51 +
Have the APAR handy? We could take a look.
I have been trying to get two things:
1. The meaning of 'bundled'.
2. The APAR/PTF #'s.
So far, all our service provider has given me is a soft-shoe and a
Was this from IBM, with the service provider an intermediary, or was it
service on an ISV's product?
My original post mentioned that it was a cross-memory PTF.
So, this is definitely an IBM PTF/APAR.
We're outsourced, so the outsourcer is the 'service provider'.
My company has asked me not to
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On Feb 6, 2007, at 7:08 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
SNIP
- Obtain a fixtest for the PE APAR. Safer by far than BYPASS, but
you're
still taking a chance that the early fix code is not solid. A step
not to
be taken lightly, but it's not
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