t one also.
:) (Hint, it comes from David Sainty of Red Hat, and it was in May or
April.)
Mark Post
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From: paultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2002 7:57 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Animosity from the press
>In this
>business we all n
>In this
>business we all need to know how to say "I don't know" and "you taught
me
>something" as things change too fast to have our feet in concrete.
Lionel is right ... I say it all the time. Maybe "I don't know", but
fortunately the members of this list are more than willing to share
their k
>>And *no* credible mainstream
> computing
> > journalist will trust a vendor provided benchmark. They've
> seen enough
> > such material, most of which appears to be compost.
Which again confirms Robinson's Corollary to Sturgeon's Law: 90% of
_everything_ is crap. (Sturgeon's Law focuses only on
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 20:31, Phil Payne wrote:
> No - you're a power user - the sort of person who would have gone out to buy a 387.
>Although
> there seem to be lots of power users about, that's because they inhabit similar
>places. A few
> thousand or a few tens of thousands at most - compar
We actually disclosed all the internal results on the testing to date with
zSeries. It is available on our Website in response to the recent articles
off linuxworld.com.
It is a tremendous effort I can tell you to do Benchmarking with large mail
(millions of users) environments, all the so called
> Vendor provided comparisons between its own products. Comparisons by
> Ford between Ford cards don't tell you anything about whether its a
> Porsche or Bicycle equivalent. And *no* credible mainstream computing
> journalist will trust a vendor provided benchmark. They've seen enough
> such mater
> On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:52, Phil Payne wrote:
> > > Your I/O bus is typically PCI however so you are limited to about
> > > 100Mbytes/second I/O throughput in the real world.
> >
> > I would regard 100Mb/sec as a peak (instantaneous) transfer rate. Throughp
> ut will be only a
> > fraction of
> Lets take a real world benchmark. On < $2000 of PC I can recompile the
> entire Linux kernel in 3 minutes, and the entirity of XFree86 in 30. I
> can saturate multiple 100Mbit links with web traffic. I can encode video
> in real time to mpeg and burn it to VideoCD as I go. I can render
> 1024x76
On Sun, 2002-05-26 at 10:52, Phil Payne wrote:
> > Your I/O bus is typically PCI however so you are limited to about
> > 100Mbytes/second I/O throughput in the real world.
>
> I would regard 100Mb/sec as a peak (instantaneous) transfer rate. Throughput will
>be only a
> fraction of that. On som
> Other way around. Modern processors are in instructions per clock. On
> raw CPU power it doesn't just beat the mainframe - it steamrollers them.
> Your I/O bus is typically PCI however so you are limited to about
> 100Mbytes/second I/O throughput in the real world.
I would regard 100Mb/sec as a
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 02:42:32PM -0700, Lionel Dyck wrote:
> Seems that the linuxworld author of the mainframe articles is none too
> happy with those on this listserv.
> http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0522.mainframelinux.sidebar2.html
I haven't been reading this guy's articles...a
At 15:40 25-05-02, Alan Cox wrote:
>Other way around. Modern processors are in instructions per clock.
Same for mainframe CPU as far as I know, which is one of the reasons
why we don't use the MIPS to rate the speed of a processor. Like what
is my MIPS rate when we have zero-cycle instructions?
> Seems that the linuxworld author of the mainframe articles is none too
> happy with those on this listserv.
>
> http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0522.mainframelinux.sidebar2.html
>
> All I can say is I am disappointed that the editors would publish his rant
> and as I assume he is sti
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 14:08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> existing compute-bound applications are "not a good fit"-
> though web-hosting and file serving are two good fits since
> they're bursty and don't sit and spin (unless the web host is
> facing the "slashdot eff
>From Jay Maynard:
On Fri, May 24, 2002 at 02:42:32PM -0700, Lionel Dyck wrote:
> > Seems that the linuxworld author of the mainframe articles is none too
> > happy with those on this listserv.
>
> I haven't been reading this guy's articles...and after reading the sidebar,
> it's clear I haven't m
On Sat, 2002-05-25 at 03:10, Jay Maynard wrote:
> I think it's revealing as hell that Moshe Bar got comparable performance out
> of Linux/390 on a 2-way 1 GHz PIII under Hercules - which, I'm guessing,
> will turn about 10 MIPS with a reasonable I/O load - to what he did out of a
> PII-450. I dar
? I don't remember seeing
that particular bit of nonsense before, but if anyone else does, I'd
appreciate a pointer.
On to making this beast work, now.
Mark Post
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From: Lionel Dyck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
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Seems that the linuxworld author of the mainframe articles is none too
happy with those on this listserv.
http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0522.mainframelinux.sidebar2.html
All I can say is I am disappointed that the editors would publish his rant
and as I assume he is still subscribe
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