rather then respond item by item to that barrage of
gibberish, moron, remember what prompted your original
response - I had said it was unfortunate that Apple
didn't build the MACINTOSH with a crt controller. Then
you went on to eat up unnecessary bandwidth with a
reply that meant next to nothing.
While I could get either an IBM PC 5150 with a CGA card, and color
monitor, or a Mac 128 for the $2.5K you mention, these are two
different products, in two different markets that have very little
to do with each other, other than both being personal computers
from the 1980's. The PC was w
Eh? Somehow I think you're being a troll.
I'm not sure how converting a modern MPG, which was not available back
in 1982, into a bunch of 80x25 or 40x25 color attributes and requiring a
sound blaster card, which did not exist at the time of the introduction
of the PC somehow proves that one s
> Of course not, neither Mac, nor Lisa could display
> 80x25x16 or 40x25x16
> color text mode
Maybe that's the whole point, hmmm? The PCs have
dedicated crt controllers...the Mac didn't. These were
highly programmable, had diverse textual and graphical
modes.
>which the video makes it hard to
>
Of course not, neither Mac, nor Lisa could display 80x25x16 or 40x25x16
color text mode which the video makes it hard to distinguish between.
It's nice that someone bothered to write the assembly code to do that,
but, meh. Truth be told, that's either a 2K or 4K display. Compare
that to digi
let's see if I'm allowed to post to Lisa list today. I
don't know about all that. Could an early Mac do this:
http://www.oldskool.org/pc/8088_Corruption
--- Ray Arachelian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Chris M wrote:
>
> >But Apple made a mistake with
> >the Mac by not supplying a distinct vide
Chris M wrote:
But Apple made a mistake with
the Mac by not supplying a distinct video ic, allowing
the 68k to do all the work, and therefore was lacking
in speed.
That's not quite true. Both the original Mac and the Lisa shared memory
access with the video hardware. The video hardware was
gt; would better understand this CPU's capabilities.
>
> - David Craig
>
> ------
> >From: Chris M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >To: "LisaList"
> >Subject: Re: Free IBM AT
> >Date: Tue, Feb 28, 2006, 6:30 PM
> >
>
> > I thin
ine but with a very focused audience,
i.e. scientists.
I assume IBM used the 68000 CPU for this machine as a research project so it
would better understand this CPU's capabilities.
- David Craig
--
>From: Chris M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "LisaList"
>Subject:
I think the main thing was the price. IBM had a
couple of debacles in it's time too. I picked up,
which required considerable effort, a System
23/Datamaster recently. Released almost simultaneously
with the PC. Cost about 10 grand. Then there was the
68000 based lab computer (O so you didn't know
too
late and there is no longer a Edison record lable in the current market -
only in record museums - as has the Lisa.
- Original Message -
From: "Justaname" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "LisaList"
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Free IBM A
Le 24 févr. 06, à 04:15, Chris M a écrit :
Im sure some of those stories would prove very
interesting. How about publishing memoirs ;)? What
could be said, and this will seem in stark contrast to
my prior rambling, is that the AT was THE machine for
its time. The Lisa was the machine for ANOTHE
Le 24 févr. 06, à 03:44, Justaname a écrit :
My opinion as an Apple employee at the time (79 to 86 in MIS) supports
your opinion. It was just plain hubris that John Couch's team thought
they knew what people needed (not what they wanted). I just don't
have the energy to regale the list with
Im sure some of those stories would prove very
interesting. How about publishing memoirs ;)? What
could be said, and this will seem in stark contrast to
my prior rambling, is that the AT was THE machine for
its time. The Lisa was the machine for ANOTHER time.
No doubt some of its features were borr
My opinion as an Apple employee at the time (79 to 86 in MIS) supports
your opinion. It was just plain hubris that John Couch's team thought
they knew what people needed (not what they wanted). I just don't have
the energy to regale the list with stories from meetings with Lisa
development st
It's truly a shame that the Lisa wasn't a success. If Apple had had better
management, perhaps the company's primary platform would have had
protected memory. It would have given Apple more credibility and saved
users from a lot of pain.
The Lisa's failure in the market doesn't diminish the excell
my apologies. I thought this was a classiccmp.org mail
list post. Neither can be distinguised from the other
unless you look at the headers. And I didn't expect to
see a PEECEE offered on this one! Please disregard my
earlier message...*yikes*
--- Chris M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> yeah, especi
yeah, especially if you had bough either new. The Lisa
was a flop, cost twice as much as an AT (at least),
and the AT was a huge success (not knocking Lisa's
though - I own one of each :).
--- Jerome Vernet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Le 23 févr. 06, à 18:50, Jason Perkins a écrit :
>
> > I
Le 23 févr. 06, à 18:50, Jason Perkins a écrit :
I don't know if you guys are into collecting vintage PCs at all, but I
just got a free IBM AT that I simply don't have the time to mess with
or room to store. It's got 512k of ram, a 286 (w/ the co proc I think,
I'll have to look), a VGA card o
Looking for a IBM PC Jr, if ya got one. Any tablets, and could use a
good Apple Wallstreet laptop battery too.
Wade
-Original Message-
From: LisaList [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Aaron
Rogers
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 12:04 PM
To: LisaList
Subject: Re: Free IBM AT
WOO HOO ... HOOK ME UP JASON!!!
I'm interested!!! What do you want for the AT?
Aaron
- Original Message
From: Jason Perkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: LisaList
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:50:17 AM
Subject: Free IBM AT
I don't know if you guys are into collecting vintage PCs at
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