Re: [WSG] xhtm 1.1 and Ruby annotations

2006-11-30 Thread David Hucklesby
On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:34:58 -0800, Scott Tankard wrote: [...] > > When viewing an xhtml page with an xhtml doctype and served as > application/xhtml+xml mime type, the markup errors you described (in fact > pretty much all markup errors) would give and ugly yellow 'parsing error' > page in Firefo

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-11-30 Thread Tim
I have found companies and governments to be totally unresponsive to standards. In the USA esp. target, but also Walmart etc. The American government couldn't care less. Most sites fail S.508 testing even their best "Ivy league" Universities. http://www.hereticpress.com/Dogstar/Publishing/USAwe

Re: [WSG] xhtm 1.1 and Ruby annotations

2006-11-30 Thread Scott Tankard
Yes, although I think a more to the point of his question is why such sites render even when served as xhtml. Tee, the problem is quite complicated and would take quite a few words to explain fully, however what follows are the bare basics. When viewing an xhtml page with an xhtml doctype and

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-11-30 Thread stevegreen
I totally agree with your point about accessible content, which is why we have contributed towards Joe Clark's micropatronage project to raise money for research into the production of standards, training and certification schemes for captioning, audio description, subtitling, and dubbing. http://

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-11-30 Thread Leslie Riggs
You're talking to someone who deals with accessibility frustrations every single day of her life. I'd sure like to see that all spoken audio in electronic media (video games, video clips of newscasts on the Internet, etc.) be captioning/subtitling-enabled (can be turned on or off by the user).

Re: [WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Dwain Alford wrote: > ah ha, onclick. i like that. so i guess i go borrow your code? is > there js involved? there doesn't seem to be any here, yes? Yes, it is needed to reveal the sub-menus, and to create the "skip links", but it is unobtrusive and it degrades well (the menu expands if there

Re: [WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Dwain Alford
ah ha, onclick. i like that. so i guess i go borrow your code? is there js involved? there doesn't seem to be any here, yes? thanks, this is a terrific solution and i think it works better for me. dwain On 11/30/06, Thierry Koblentz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dwain Alford wrote: > i'm not

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-11-30 Thread stevegreen
That's not taking things to an extreme - it's a totally different argument altogether. A screen reader is a user agent, not a plug-in. A person uses a screen reader because they want or have to, not because of the technologies used to build the websites they view. That's totally different from forc

Re: [WSG] Flash is more accessible than CSS?

2006-11-30 Thread Leslie Riggs
Hi All, Just my penneth worth. I have always said anything that needs a plugin is automaticaly un-accessable. Trevor. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgr

Re: [WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Dwain Alford wrote: > i'm not quite sure what you mean here. the revised original menu > listed all of the main links in a tree(?). what i want to do is hide > the subnav parts and have them exposed on hover. now what you are > saying, i think, is that this is not a user friendly way to do the >

Re: [WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Dwain Alford
i'm not quite sure what you mean here. the revised original menu listed all of the main links in a tree(?). what i want to do is hide the subnav parts and have them exposed on hover. now what you are saying, i think, is that this is not a user friendly way to do the vertical menu. the menu in

Re: [WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Dwain Alford wrote: > i posted this request to another list and have not received a > response in several days and i thought i would try here. i am trying > to use best practices. the web site is an art site so there is much > detail work to be done. when i get the menu working across browser >

[WSG] i have a javascript problem

2006-11-30 Thread Dwain Alford
i am doing a complete redesign of my site. the menu on the current site is out dated for how i want to present the work. i have been designing with xhtml and css for a couple of years now and i have a good grasp of the principles. the version of the menu i have now is a tree of the main links t

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread russ - maxdesign
>> [...] doesn't seem to allow legends >> to be positioned off screen [...] > > Whoops, I did not know this. Sorry. > > That's the truth! I use them but I do allow for some cross-browser > variances. They aren't a mandatory element, but they *can* be helpful, > especially for complex forms. I thi

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread Mike at Green-Beast.com
I had written: >> fieldset { >> border : 0; >> } >> >> legend { >> position : absolute ; >> top : -9000px; >> left : -9000px; >> } James wrote: > [...] doesn't seem to allow legends > to be positioned off screen [...] Whoops, I did not know this. Sorry. > I've found legends very difficul

Re: [WSG] scaling in ems broken in i.e

2006-11-30 Thread Felix Miata
On 2006/11/30 14:07 (GMT) ed radford apparently typed: > i am currently working on a simple site and thought it to be a good > opertunity to try and implement some image and text scaling using > ems. have got everything working fine on safari and such but the > design gets completely broken

[WSG] scaling in ems broken in i.e

2006-11-30 Thread ed radford
hi guys and gals, i am currently working on a simple site and thought it to be a good opertunity to try and implement some image and text scaling using ems. have got everything working fine on safari and such but the design gets completely broken in opera and on windows i.e. anyone have an

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread John Faulds
I just ran a form with a xhtml strict doctype and no legend thru the W3C validator and it didn't complain..? XHTML strict won't but HTML strict will. -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *

Re: [WSG] Accessible Tables

2006-11-30 Thread Gaspar
Hello, I just cant remember who call to definition list as description list. I would use ato your Actors Name list, i know that you can call as tabular data but in that case i think is better a If u prefer table u can use Actor namePersonage name But there's others ways. Gas

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread James Ellis
Hmm, I've found this not to work in Firefox.. doesn't seem to allow legends to be positioned off screen. display:none works but that defeats the purpose entirely. I've found legends very difficult to be styled cross browser - dumping the legend and using a heading tag will allow much easier styl

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread Barney Carroll
Gaspar wrote: How can i group just one single input? i think there's no reason to do that, sow i removed the fieldset and just use the label for the input. am i right or not? For my own tuppence, I'd say there's no reason for it. I'm almost certain I've seen pages adorned with every kind of W

CLOSED Re: [WSG] PhP Form Mail Script

2006-11-30 Thread James Ellis
Marvin, The WSG list isn't for discussing client or server side scripting. The list guidelines discuss what is applicable for this list. Cheers James Admin. On 11/30/06, marvin hunkin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi. do you know of any php accessible and java script mailling lists. if so let me

Re: [WSG] Fieldset but no legend

2006-11-30 Thread Gaspar
Seek: A few days ago i have the same problem, legend or not legend, sow i think if fieldset are to "allows authors to group thematically related controls and labels. Grouping controls makes it easier for users to understand their purpose..." How can i group just one