[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman and Box

2015-11-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Moving to mailman-users, be a better place to post a request for experience. Please respect cross-posting restrictions. If you're just reporting experience, reply-to is set to Mailman-Users which is appropriate (at least, IIRC the Mailman Users/Developers lists don't mess with preexisting Reply-T

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 3 status

2015-07-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
[resend w/proper address] On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:47 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: >- Performance measurements. There are theoretical reasons to believe > that under certain circumstances a "large" Mailman 3 under "heavy" > use *might* suffer bottlenecks, but we just don't know yet. Note that

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Error while installing Mailman

2015-03-05 Thread Mark Sapiro
On 03/05/2015 08:08 AM, Rakesh Verma wrote: > i did the same but i am still getting the error, can i manually add the > user to /etc/passwd??? Please keep threads on the list unless sending personal, private or security information. What happened when you did the useradd command? There are two i

[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Fwd: [sympa-users] thoughts re. DMARC impacts

2014-11-02 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Reply-To set to Mailman-Users. Although actual work on an RFC probably would be done by a developer, there's no reason to exclude site admins and list owners, and the impact of DMARC is surely apparent to developers, admins, and owners alike, as well as to our subscribers. Victoriano Giralt write

[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Changes coming to the GNU Mailman wiki

2014-10-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Barry Warsaw writes: > Thus I am here to announce the imminent switch of our wiki to a new > Moin server. Hurray! > Huge, huge thanks go to Paul Boddie for the incredible amount of > work he's put into the conversion process. Yes indeed! It's been a huge project, taking what, about a year

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.18 final release

2014-05-06 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Tue, May 6, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > A critical incompatibility between the Mailman 2.1.18 final release and > Python versions older than 2.6.5 or thereabouts affecting the DMARC Wrap > Message action was discovered and fixed. This incompatibility also > existed in the 2.1.16 and 2

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] DMARC and Mail Lists open space at Pycon

2014-04-13 Thread Patrick Ben Koetter
* Mark Sapiro : > On April 11, 2014 3:18:13 PM EDT, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >On 04/11/2014 05:25 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > >> > >> Tentatively rescheduled to 17:00 EDT (21:00 GMT) on Friday, 11 Apr in > >room 525. > >> > >> I will attempt to post realtime summaries on #mailman. > > > > > >Due to var

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] MM3 Test "" Hangs

2014-02-26 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Guys, please take care to delete the mailman-users address if you're using reply-to-all on this thread. Progress on MM3 is undoubtedly of interest to MM-users, but the gory details of broken tests probably is not Reply-to-munging-still-considered-harmful-ly y'rs P.S. Maybe I should revive th

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] MM3 Test "" Hangs

2014-02-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 26, 2014, at 02:45 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > I have no idea what to do next, This is clearly a bug, although I think it's relatively recent, so it might be worth seeing if earlier revisions avoid the problem. Yes, I can reproduce it. The interesting thing is that the test is in

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] MM3 Test "" Hangs

2014-02-26 Thread Tom Browder
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:13 AM, Nicolas Karageuzian wrote: > I encountered db lock using sqlite with mailman3 and tools. > Switching to postgres avoid the db locking states. > Maybe you should explore that way. I'll try that. > Hyperkitty moved to github so the lp ref is quite out of date for t

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Lindsay Haisley
On Thu, 2014-02-20 at 14:39 -0500, Barry Warsaw wrote: > >I'm running Mailman 2.1.15 on a Ubuntu server, feeding into Courier MTA, > >running Python 2.7.3. I track security updates and install them > >promptly when they're issued by Ubuntu. Yesterday I updated the Linux > >kernel from 3.2.0-58-ge

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Kernel update breaks Mailman!!

2014-02-20 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Lindsay Haisley wrote: >I'm running Mailman 2.1.15 on a Ubuntu server, feeding into Courier MTA, >running Python 2.7.3. I track security updates and install them >promptly when they're issued by Ubuntu. Yesterday I updated the Linux >kernel from 3.2.0-58-generic (x8

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.15 final released.

2012-06-16 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:04 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am happy to announce the final release of Mailman 2.1.15. This > release is identical to the 2.1.15rc1 release except for the version > number and the inclusion of a missing part of the HTM

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.15 final released.

2012-06-15 Thread Andrew Hodgson
Mark Sapiro wrote: >I am happy to announce the final release of Mailman 2.1.15. This release is >identical to the 2.1.15rc1 release except for the version number and >the >inclusion of a missing part of the HTML installation manual. Thanks for this as ever, quality release. I upgraded in a ver

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.15rc1 released

2012-05-16 Thread Odhiambo Washington
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 8:57 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I am happy to announce the first release candidate for Mailman 2.1.15. > > Python 2.4 is the minimum supported, but Python 2.6 is recommended. > This release should work with Python 2.7, but

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1

2012-03-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mar 26, 2012, at 04:11 PM, Andrea Crotti wrote: >Great news Barry, but just one thing, I checked now on list.org and the GNU >Mailman website and there is no mention of this release.. is that on purpose? Not really. The server moved recently and my keys hadn't been installed. Looks like they

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1

2012-03-24 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
On Sat, Mar 24, 2012 at 3:00 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Hello Mailman enthusiasts! > I'm also ecstatic to announce the first alpha release of Postorius, our new > official name for the Django-based Mailman 3 web user interface.  The name was > suggested by core developer Florian Fuchs in honor of

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] RELEASED: GNU Mailman 3.0 beta 1 and Postorius 1.0 alpha 1

2012-03-23 Thread Hopkins, Justin
On Mar 23, 2012, at 9:00 PM, "Barry Warsaw" wrote: > Use the key, unlock the door >See what your fate might have in store... Everybody walk the dinosaur! Seriously though, this is amazing news! Thanks to everyone who helped work on this. I can't wait to give it a try! Cheers, Justin -

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-Announce] Mailman security patch.

2010-09-09 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sep 09, 2010, at 06:46 AM, Mark Sapiro wrote: >The patch is attached. Since it only affects the web CGIs, it can be >applied and will be effective without restarting Mailman, although >since it includes a patch to Utils.py which is imported by the >qrunners, a restart of Mailman is advisable as

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-17 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jun 13, 2009, at 1:25 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: Mailman is the wrong place to put an OpenID provider. That needs to go somewhere else, and then you can put in code that allows Mailman to be an OpenID Relyer. Well put, and I could not agree more. What would be very helpful would be adding

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Malveeka Tewari writes: > Our focus is on providing Single Sign On but we do not want to delegate > authentication to a third party. Hence we want to implement OpenID provider > for our Mailman service. I don't think this is a good idea. Mailman is designed to deliver single messages to multi

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-13 Thread Malveeka Tewari
Hi Stephen Thanks for your reply. W want to implement the OpenID Provider for the mailman set up we are running on our servers. The idea is to use OpenID with mailman to provide single sign on for our other user accounts like our wiki etc. Our focus is on providing Single Sign On but we do not wan

[Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] openID enabled mailman

2009-06-13 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Malveeka Tewari writes: > 2. Sign in with existing openID login for your subscription > > *1. Enable/Disable openID login for your subscription* *account* > For enabling and diabling the openID feature, the users login their > subscribed accounts as they do now for changing any of the subcri

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER

2009-02-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:47 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: I agree that the use of USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER as an anti-spoof is outdated, particularly because it doesn't even come into play for the member/nonmember decision. Strike three. :) Our LMTP code

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] USE_ENVELOPE_SENDER

2009-02-10 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Feb 9, 2009, at 5:43 AM, Ian Eiloart wrote: I'm not sure whether I do use it, but I think I should. Most of our list users are in our own domain. That domain certainly is less spoofable in the envelope, because we don't accept mail from our

Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?

2008-10-06 Thread Mark Sapiro
Kelly Jones wrote: >It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory >was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this >documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out >there? UTSL There's really nothing beyond that. Mailman 3 will be bett

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers Guide?

2008-10-06 Thread Kelly Jones
It took me a long time to figure out that Mailman's 'virgin' directory was for messages that Mailman created itself. Is stuff like this documented somewhere? Is there a developer's guide to Mailman out there? -- We're just a Bunch Of Regular Guys, a collective group that's trying to understand an

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Demo import of bugs/patches/rfes to Launchpad

2008-08-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:25 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I've played with it a little bit, and I think it will be fine. One of the obvious advantages is the tighter integration with bazaar (I guess any would be tighter than what we have :) :) I think it'

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Demo import of bugs/patches/rfes to Launchpad

2008-08-19 Thread Mark Sapiro
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Barry Warsaw wrote: > I'm happy to announce a demo import from SourceForge's bug tracker, > patches tracker, and feature request tracker into Launchpad, and I > invite you to play with the new issue tracker so that we can decide > whether or not to com

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Brad Knowles writes: > That implies their client is misconfigured and that should be their problem > and not ours. Right? Actually, all existing clients are pretty much broken, since they don't allow you to enforce your own CSS. But I guess they figure that nearly all existing users are brok

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Brad Knowles
Terri Oda wrote: The original version I had used the standard link colours (ie - it didn't set them), and comments ranged from just general malaise about the colour scheme of the links to several people who asserted it was nearly unreadable on their setups. That implies their client is misco

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Terri Oda
On 23-Jul-08, at 1:22 PM, Brad Knowles wrote: The latest version is here: http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/ So, that's using some red/pink from the logo as link colours as someone suggested to me. I really don't want anyone over-riding my own choices for link colors. The original version I

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Brad Knowles
Terri Oda wrote: The latest version is here: http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/ So, that's using some red/pink from the logo as link colours as someone suggested to me. I really don't want anyone over-riding my own choices for link colors. More suggestions welcome! Did you want to ment

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

2008-07-23 Thread Terri Oda
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've done a bit more work with the site redesign, and updated the working content I had. The latest version is here: http://terri.zone12.com/mm-website/ So, that's using some red/pink from the logo as link colours as someone suggested to me.

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Brad Knowles
On 4/21/08, Barry Warsaw wrote: We should probably have some kind of shunt queue culler cron script in place, either that archives and deletes those files, or just expires them after a certain amount of time. That's easy enough to do with cron and find. You tell me what you want, and I'll

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 21, 2008, at 9:30 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: You could set up a cron to run every hour or some other interval to efectively do rm $var_prefix/qfiles/shunt/*.psv The problem with that is there can occasionally be queue entries preserved for oth

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Mailman 2.1.10 has been released

2008-04-21 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 21, 2008, at 3:50 PM, Mark Sapiro wrote: I am happy to announce the release of Mailman 2.1.10. Congratulations Mark! Long live Mailman 2.2. :) I will update the web sites. - -Barry -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.8 (Da

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Mailman-i18n] Hebrew Mailman Support

2007-04-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 23, 2007, at 11:04 AM, Dov Zamir wrote: > I am resending this email, as well as to the other mailing lists, > since > I have received zero feedback since sending the original over two > weeks ago. > > > Should I assume there is no interest

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: TypeError: us-ascii with python2.4 and mailman 2.1.8-1 (debian)]

2007-04-10 Thread Justin Warren
On Tue, 2007-04-10 at 17:29 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > >Hi developers, > > > >This particular problem is caused by a bug in email 4.0.1 package which > >was fixed in the most recent subversion repository. > >http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/email/message.py?re

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: TypeError: us-asciiwith python2.4 and mailman 2.1.8-1 (debian)]

2007-04-10 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Mark Sapiro wrote: > Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > >> Hi developers, >> >> This particular problem is caused by a bug in email 4.0.1 package which >> was fixed in the most recent subversion repository. >> http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/email/message.py?rev=54333&r1=50840&r2=54333 >> >> Mayb

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] [Fwd: TypeError: us-asciiwith python2.4 and mailman 2.1.8-1 (debian)]

2007-04-10 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tokio Kikuchi wrote: >Hi developers, > >This particular problem is caused by a bug in email 4.0.1 package which >was fixed in the most recent subversion repository. >http://svn.python.org/view/python/trunk/Lib/email/message.py?rev=54333&r1=50840&r2=54333 > >Maybe it's time to think of next bug fi

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problem with format=flowed patch

2007-03-24 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Mark Sapiro wrote: > I don't think your suggestion is correct. What I am trying to do is get > the format= and delsp= parameters from only the first text/plain part > in the message. Often, this will be the only part in which case it > doesn't matter. Sorry that I misunderstood. It was a little

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problem with format=flowed patch

2007-03-24 Thread Mark Sapiro
Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > >I think the indent level of this part in Scrubber.py should be > > if charset is None: > charset = part.get_content_charset(lcset) >+format = part.get_param('format') >+delsp = part.get_param('delsp') > Tokio, Thanks f

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problem with format=flowed patch

2007-03-24 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Hi Mark, I was working this patch on the trunk. I think the indent level of this part in Scrubber.py should be if charset is None: charset = part.get_content_charset(lcset) +format = part.get_param('format') +delsp = part.get_param('delsp')

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] My new job

2007-02-03 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Congratulations, Barry! I'm very happy to hear that you can spend more time on Mailman. I also learned by quick search that Canonical is founded by this nice guy. :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttleworth Barry Warsaw wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hello

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 11:03 PM, Larry Stone wrote: > On 9/28/06 9:16 PM, Barry Warsaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So, that leads to the question, is there any reason to install > python 2.5 > while running 2.1.9 or are we fine with 2.3.5 if we are

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Larry Stone
On 9/28/06 9:16 PM, Barry Warsaw at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sep 28, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Larry Stone wrote: > >> This all made me curious. I'm just a user of Mailman on Mac OS X - no >> development of any sort by me - so I'm good with 2.1.9

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 8:45 PM, Larry Stone wrote: > This all made me curious. I'm just a user of Mailman on Mac OS X - no > development of any sort by me - so I'm good with 2.1.9 and Python > 2.3.5 on > 10.4.7 - but this topic made me look at the Pyth

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Larry Stone
On 9/28/06 1:13 PM, Stubbs Jeff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Barry - thanks for the advice > > I just wanted to report that Tiger (10.4.7 : ppc), Python 2.5 (from > the OS X installer), and Mailman 2.1.9 works perfectly. Install went > without a hitch. > > Stumbled a little, setting up virtual

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 28, 2006, at 2:13 PM, Stubbs Jeff wrote: > Barry - thanks for the advice > > I just wanted to report that Tiger (10.4.7 : ppc), Python 2.5 (from > the OS X installer), and Mailman 2.1.9 works perfectly. Install > went without a hitch. > > S

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-28 Thread Stubbs Jeff
On Sep 28, 2006, at 12:34 AM, Barry Warsaw wrote: >>> In summary my preferences would be: >>> >>> Mailman 2.1.x supported on Python 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5. Drop support >>> for Python 2.1 and 2.2. We've done this accidentally in Mailman >>> 2.1.9, so let's make it official. >>> >>> Mailman 2.2 suppo

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 27, 2006, at 8:29 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: >> In summary my preferences would be: >> >> Mailman 2.1.x supported on Python 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5. Drop support >> for Python 2.1 and 2.2. We've done this accidentally in Mailman >> 2.1.9, so let's ma

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-27 Thread Barry Warsaw
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sep 27, 2006, at 9:32 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Mailman 2.1.x supported on Python 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5. Drop support >> for Python 2.1 and 2.2. We've done this accidentally in Mailman >> 2.1.9, so let's make it official. > > Would it be poss

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] OS X & Mailman & Python

2006-09-27 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
> In summary my preferences would be: > > Mailman 2.1.x supported on Python 2.3, 2.4, and 2.5. Drop support > for Python 2.1 and 2.2. We've done this accidentally in Mailman > 2.1.9, so let's make it official. > > Mailman 2.2 supported on Python 2.4 and 2.5. +1 -- Tokio Kikuchi, [EMAIL P

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Anyone have a pickle / mbox to spare?

2006-07-23 Thread Bryan Carbonnell
On 7/23/06, emf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It would sincerely help me if I could test my UI against actual mailman > pickles to make sure I can deal with vagaries of configuration, etc. > I'd be happy to provide a script to randomize all users passwords before > you sent it over, but would pref

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-08 Thread William D. Tallman
On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 12:33:29AM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > "William" == William D Tallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Well damn!!! I am genuinely impressed and appreciative of this response! Have it saved off in a separate file to study. Mr. Turnbull has my sincere thanks for

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-08 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "William" == William D Tallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: William> On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:11:22PM +0900, Stephen William> J. Turnbull wrote: >> I don't think that is the way that RFC writers in general >> think. William> Yes, so I gather. :-) William> Which m

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-03 Thread William D. Tallman
On Wed, May 03, 2006 at 11:11:22PM +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > "William" == William D Tallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > William> How does the RFC, or the writers thereof, define "user"? > > They don't. IMHO (there are those more expert than I on this list) > anything that

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-03 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "William" == William D Tallman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: William> How does the RFC, or the writers thereof, define "user"? They don't. IMHO (there are those more expert than I on this list) anything that is normally expected to touch the headers or body of a message is a "user" for t

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 13:27 -0500, Neal Groothuis wrote: > > I'd like to work up an unofficial diff to Mailman 2.1 for people like > > Stephen who are willing to give it a try on a live site. > > I'm not sure this is even necessary. > > Ezmlm doesn't touch the Sender: header at all, Majordomo s

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-02 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 18:16 -0700, Mark Sapiro wrote: > Neal Groothuis wrote: > > > >Mailman is not the originator of the message, so it should > >not be tampering with the From: or Sender: fields at all. > > > This is arguably not true. Mailman may add a list header and/or list > footer to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-01 Thread Mark Sapiro
Neal Groothuis wrote: > >Mailman is not the originator of the message, so it should >not be tampering with the From: or Sender: fields at all. This is arguably not true. Mailman may add a list header and/or list footer to the body of the message as well as potentially filtering or scrubbing vari

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-01 Thread William D. Tallman
Watching this with interest; a newbie learns... On Mon, May 01, 2006 at 01:27:40PM -0500, Neal Groothuis wrote: > It might be appropriate for Mailman to add Resent-* headers, depending > on how one reads RFC 2822, 3.6.6. I personally don't think it's > necessary or useful, since list servers

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-01 Thread Neal Groothuis
I'd like to work up an unofficial diff to Mailman 2.1 for people like Stephen who are willing to give it a try on a live site. I'm not sure this is even necessary. Ezmlm doesn't touch the Sender: header at all, Majordomo sets it to the owner of the list, and (AFAICT) Listserv sets it to the

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Sun, 2006-04-30 at 00:00 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Sender doesn't instruct *conformant* MTAs at all, does it? AFAIK the > only thing that a RFC 2821-conforming MTA looks at is the Return-Path > header, and it's supposed to remove that. > > So this is purely a matter of pragmatic sel

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-05-01 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 19:12 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > I think we need to gather a lot more information about the likely > outcome from this change, and I think the best way to achieve this is > through giving admins (either site admins or list admins) the ability > to set an option and

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread John W. Baxter
On 4/29/06 8:00 AM, "Stephen J. Turnbull" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sender doesn't instruct *conformant* MTAs at all, does it? AFAIK the > only thing that a RFC 2821-conforming MTA looks at is the Return-Path > header, and it's supposed to remove that. There is no Return-Path: header during t

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:00 AM +0900 2006-04-30, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Brad> If we need something that will be noticed by other MTAs > Brad> beyond the envelope sender and the "Return-Path:" & > Brad> "Errors-To:" headers, then we're going to have to carefully > Brad> think about this. > >

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-29 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
> "Brad" == Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: At 7:50 PM -0400 2006-04-28, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> Whatever else we decide, I don't agree, or at least, it won't >> help us. $3.6.6 says that Resent-* headers are to be added by >> a user. It also says that these are purely i

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Bob Puff
Yes, and it still happens. Apparently, AOL has some filter based on a FROM: address matching a specific list, and bounces it with an SPF error, which it clearly is not. Bob -- Original Message --- From: Barry Warsaw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Have you tried turning on full person

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:50 PM -0400 2006-04-28, Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 13:05 -0500, Neal Groothuis wrote: > >> As I noted in my previous response, I believe that the correct field (if >> Mailman were to add a "Sender:" header) to add would be "Resent-Sender". >>Please see RFC 2822, sectio

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 14:08 -0400, Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > ...Trouble similar to a current problem I am having with AOL: they are > bouncing all email with the > FROM: address of a specific AOL user, when mailman delivers the > messages to -any- aol or cs.com > address. Have you tried tu

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 13:05 -0500, Neal Groothuis wrote: > As I noted in my previous response, I believe that the correct field (if > Mailman were to add a "Sender:" header) to add would be "Resent-Sender". > Please see RFC 2822, section 3.6.6. Whatever else we decide, I don't agree, or at le

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
Now that I have a few minutes to breath ;) I'll try to summarize my thoughts on this, and then perhaps go back later and follow up to specific points later in the thread. I'm sympathetic to ripping out the Sender: field munging. It was always primarily a workaround for buggy MTAs. If the majorit

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Mark Sapiro
Dallas Bethune wrote: >For our uses just >changing that list-bounces address to something less ominous looking >would help. It definitely looks to me as if something needs to be done. I think perhaps offering 3 options either to the list admin on a per-list basis with a site default or just a

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Bob [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't forget to consider things like SPF, which I think uses the sender field. Whatever is used for SPF _must_ be the domain of the mailman box, or you're gonna run into a pack of trouble. ...Trouble similar to a current problem I am having with AOL: they are bouncing all email with the FROM

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2006-04-28 at 10:29 -0700, John W. Baxter wrote: > On 4/28/06 6:06 AM, "Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 22:46 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > > > >> If the previous value of the "Sender:" field is being lost, then > >> that should be corrected. At the ve

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Neal Groothuis
John W. Baxter wrote: Probably, indeed. But what happens if that header was already "taken" in the process that brought the message to mailman for distribution to the list? As I noted in my previous response, I believe that the correct field (if Mailman were to add a "Sender:" header) to add

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread John W. Baxter
On 4/28/06 6:06 AM, "Barry Warsaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 22:46 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > >> If the previous value of the "Sender:" field is being lost, then >> that should be corrected. At the very least, the value should be >> saved in an "Old-Sender:" or "Previo

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Sender field

2006-04-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2006-04-27 at 22:46 -0500, Brad Knowles wrote: > If the previous value of the "Sender:" field is being lost, then > that should be corrected. At the very least, the value should be > saved in an "Old-Sender:" or "Previous-Sender:" or some other > suitable renamed sender field. P

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Permission of data/bounce-events-?????.pck

2006-02-04 Thread Mark Sapiro
imacat wrote: >> >>I noted that in the source of mailman 2.1.7 there are 2 lines in >>bin/mailmanctl: >> >>line 421-422 >># Clear our file mode creation umask >>os.umask(0) >> >>Is this intended? Is it the reason why data/bounce-events-?.pck >>are world-writable? There

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problems with uuencoded attachments

2006-01-15 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 09:25 +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > >>In usual mailman qrunner execs, stderr is logged into logs/errors. It >>is the additional tee_to_real_stderr in LogStdErr() setting which wants >>to print the error into real stderr. >> >>Isn't it safe to put t

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problems with uuencoded attachments

2006-01-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Mon, 2006-01-16 at 09:25 +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > In usual mailman qrunner execs, stderr is logged into logs/errors. It > is the additional tee_to_real_stderr in LogStdErr() setting which wants > to print the error into real stderr. > > Isn't it safe to put the tee_to_real_stderr value

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problems with uuencoded attachments

2006-01-15 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > > >>Mark Sapiro wrote: >> >> >> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/uu.py", line 139, in decode sys.stderr.write("Warning: %s\n" % str(v)) File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 45, in write >

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Problems with uuencoded attachments

2006-01-15 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Jan 14, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > Mark Sapiro wrote: > > >>> File "/usr/lib/python2.3/uu.py", line 139, in decode >>> sys.stderr.write("Warning: %s\n" % str(v)) >>> File "/usr/lib/mailman/Mailman/Logging/MultiLogger.py", line 45, >>> in write >>> _logexc(logger, msg) >>> Fi

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] filename too long error - stopping list

2005-12-23 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2005-12-23 at 09:22 +0900, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > May be we should set this default in Defaults.py.in in the next release > of 2.1.7. Thoughts? It's probably a good idea, but also as Stephen says, it might be a good idea to shorten the filename (keeping the extension) even when this valu

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] Low level bug: (solved)

2005-07-28 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Thu, 2005-07-28 at 11:52, Mark Sapiro wrote: > The real issue here seems to be that the import from mm_cfg done in the > driver script is inadequately protected. The driver script > print_traceback definition contains > > try: > from Mailman.mm_cfg import VERSION > except Impor

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 08:14, Tokio Kikuchi wrote: > I believe I could finally fix the bug and commited in CVS. IMHO, python > re.escape() should escape special characters only -- I can't find '%' in > special character list in the manual. Cool. Sounds like a bug to me. I'll probably spin rc4 i

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-13 Thread Tokio Kikuchi
Barry Warsaw wrote: > On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 05:05, Brad Knowles wrote: > >>At 12:41 AM -0400 2005-05-13, Barry Warsaw wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks for the quick heads up. I think I just fixed it. At least I >>> /hope/ so, 'cause I'm going to bed. ;) >> >> So far as I know, we had been running a

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-13 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 05:05, Brad Knowles wrote: > At 12:41 AM -0400 2005-05-13, Barry Warsaw wrote: > > > Thanks for the quick heads up. I think I just fixed it. At least I > > /hope/ so, 'cause I'm going to bed. ;) > > So far as I know, we had been running a plain-jane 2.1.6rc3 > ins

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-13 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:41 AM -0400 2005-05-13, Barry Warsaw wrote: > Thanks for the quick heads up. I think I just fixed it. At least I > /hope/ so, 'cause I'm going to bed. ;) So far as I know, we had been running a plain-jane 2.1.6rc3 installation on this machine. Is the fix for the subject line

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] subject_prefix multiplication

2005-05-12 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 00:23, Mark Sapiro wrote: > All of a sudden, within the last hour or so, subject_prefix on both > mailman-users@python.org and mailman-developers@python.org is being > added to replies even though it's already present resulting in > doubling and tripling (so far not more) of t

Re: [Mailman-Users] [Mailman-Developers] XHTML Compliant Web UI - 2.1.6 Patch

2005-05-04 Thread Bryan Carbonnell
On 24 Apr 2005 at 8:31, Bryan Carbonnell wrote: > I have just uploaded a patch that will make the web UI for MM 2.1.6rc1 > XHTML 1 strict compliant. This patch allows for some CSS formatting as > well. > > I have tried to make all the pages compliant, but I may have missed > some combinations of

[Mailman-Users] Mailman Developers

2003-08-25 Thread John Kromodimedjo
Hi all, Our company is looking for Mailman developers to help us to setup our Forums project. We are based in Thailand so anyone who knows somebody in the region that can help us is most appreciated. Thanks in advance. John _ John Kromodimedjo ICT Progra