Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-05-02 Thread Tim Crone via Mercedes
On Apr 27, 2015 10:09 PM, "Curt Raymond via Mercedes" wrote: > > And we live in a big 'ole country with lots of different places. Here we've got lots of water while you've got little. Here were there is history stuff is close together. I know I'm late to the party, just wanted to add the data poi

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-29 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:02:38 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote: > > I made a quick trip to the airport two days ago, in freeway traffic at > > 70mph, starting with a full charge and 28 miles later arrived at the > > airport with a total of 8 miles available showing on the "remaining > >

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread clay via Mercedes
to >> drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for >> electric cars... >> -Curt >> From: Dimitri via Mercedes >> To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Yeah, but for how long? All it takes is the Iran deal falling apart for oil pries to rebound. On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 4:01 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Grant, > > No worries, cheap gas has killed the electrics and hybrids. Nobody is > buying them anymore, SUV

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Grant, No worries, cheap gas has killed the electrics and hybrids. Nobody is buying them anymore, SUV is back baby! http://time.com/money/3827218/electric-car-sales-cheap-gas/ - Max Charleston SC On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 11:50 AM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > I raise this line of

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Two aspects to your line of question. First, "we" must pass regulations that would force electric cars to only be charged at night for load leveling. We would therefore be able to have larger baseload plants that could run more efficiently than peaking unit. Problem is that wind machines an

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
G Mann sez: I raise this line of question in the chain of transportation logic. The weak link in civilization of modern living is the power grid. Parts of the grid are now over 100 years old and in very poor condition, in some places critical condition. While power companies increase rates, not

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
ne of THOSE there is more oil left over for YOU to > > drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for > > electric cars... > > -Curt > > From: Dimitri via Mercedes > > To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List < > > mercedes@okiebenz.com&

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-28 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
o > drive one of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for > electric cars... > -Curt > From: Dimitri via Mercedes > To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Par

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
ALL fuel efficiency claims are false advertising, its part of the game... -Curt From: Dimitri To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious The fact that they claim an unattainable range of 100 miles is

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread clay via Mercedes
At least when I was riding motorcicles I could hear the dumb broad fail to see me in her unintended attempt to end my life clay On Apr 26, 2015, at 1:23 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: > So a little while ago I rode my bike down to the beach and was coming home. > I only have to go in a

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
of YOURS. It would be short sighted of us not to push for electric cars... -Curt From: Dimitri via Mercedes To: G Mann ; Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious I mean come on now let's face it, the leaf is a wo

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread astrasfogel--- via Mercedes
I commute 13 miles RT daily. I will gladly accept a donation of any brand of electric car. -- Sent from myMail app for Android Monday, 27 April 2015, 11:40PM -0400 from OK Don via Mercedes : The Leaf would be a good car for my BIL in Philly, my daughter in NYC, or the one in Providence, and prob

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
The Leaf would be a good car for my BIL in Philly, my daughter in NYC, or the one in Providence, and probably the one moving to Boston; assuming that they will not be taking road trips out of town in it. It would even be a good car for my wife, as she only drives the Passat once a week for approx.

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
ot the car's fault... > -Curt > > From: G Mann > To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List > > Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:00 PM > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious > > It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities h

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious It's bad design, and I accept that it "burns" you. Cities have freeways. Western cities cover several hundred square miles of land and have long freeways that require high speed

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
is way too hard to >> park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design >> parameters. >> -Curt >> >> From: G Mann via Mercedes >> To: Andrew Strasfogel ; Mercedes Discussion List < >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> >> Sent: Mo

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
s too much > > fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard to > > park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design > > parameters. > > -Curt > > > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > > To: Andrew Strasfogel

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
e who live in the city, it uses too much > fuel, is too hard to navigate down little streets and is way too hard to > park. Neither is a bad vehicle just bad when outside of their design > parameters. > -Curt > > From: G Mann via Mercedes > To: Andrew Strasfogel ; Merced

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious I see a lot of Teslas from tony Potomac, MD docs and lawyers being driven as commuter cars.  Very slick styling.  Whoosh! On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > If "

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
gy to move the car at 70mph. -Curt From: Rich Thomas via Mercedes To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 5:32 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious Actually, the power required increases exponentially with speed (by the square of the speed, mostly, due to aerody

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
Actually, the power required increases exponentially with speed (by the square of the speed, mostly, due to aerodynamic drag and some other due to powertrain effects). Force (or in the case of a car, torque, which a rotational force that turns into a linear force at the tires) causes an accele

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
had a big nice shop I'd consider it but working out in the rain is losing its luster... -Curt From: Curly McLain via Mercedes To: Mercedes Discussion List Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 4:57 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious >  If I could get a deal like that I'd

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Dimitri via Mercedes
I like your lady friend already Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 27, 2015, at 4:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes > wrote: > > If "cash for clunkers" opened a new program.. I would pay to have it towed > to the head of the line just for the pleasure of watching it be crushed? > > (true, BTW) > > Si

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
If I could get a deal like that I'd be all over it, Angie only commutes about 10 miles each way... -Curt My commute is 11 mi round trip in town, and my SDL handles it gracefully. The last tankful went about 6 weeks, including other errands. That included the loss to the leaky steel line.

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
ject: Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffic speed and watched the "fuel" gage drop like a rock at 70 mph... Unlike eastern cities, this city covers more land mass than New Jersey, so getting somewhere is measured in hou

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
I see a lot of Teslas from tony Potomac, MD docs and lawyers being driven as commuter cars. Very slick styling. Whoosh! On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 4:34 PM, G Mann via Mercedes wrote: > If "cash for clunkers" opened a new program.. I would pay to have it towed > to the head of the line just for th

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
If "cash for clunkers" opened a new program.. I would pay to have it towed to the head of the line just for the pleasure of watching it be crushed? (true, BTW) Since I can curse in 5 languages, my description could be prolific, but I don't wish to go that route.. haha. Let me sum it up this way.

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffic speed and watched the "fuel" gage drop like a rock at 70 mph... Unlike eastern cities, this city covers more land mass than New Jersey, so getting somewhere is measured in hours of travel rather than miles, often. If I live

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes
On 26/04/2015 3:23 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes wrote: So a little while ago I rode my bike down to the beach and was coming home. I only have to go in a road for a coupla hundred feet, mostly through a rotary/roundabout, the rest is bike path or a median for a short ways. So I am going throu

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread G Mann via Mercedes
No heater, no AC, no lights. Just drove it at prevailing freeway traffic speed and watched the "fuel" gage drop like a rock at 70 mph... Unlike eastern cities, this city covers more land mass than New Jersey, so getting somewhere is measured in hours of travel rather than miles, often. If I lived

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Hey Grant - did you have the AC or heater running by any chance? On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 11:02 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > I drove a Leaf last fall when we were looking at pickup trucks. The kid > didn't miss a beat when I went from driving a Nissan Titan to th

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-27 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I drove a Leaf last fall when we were looking at pickup trucks. The kid didn't miss a beat when I went from driving a Nissan Titan to the Leaf. As a car I enjoyed it, it was reasonably quick and fairly quiet. Yes its ugly but its not really all that small compared to the real crapboxes like the V

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-26 Thread Curly McLain via Mercedes
So a little while ago I rode my bike down to the beach and was coming home. I only have to go in a road for a coupla hundred feet, mostly through a rotary/roundabout, the rest is bike path or a median for a short ways. So I am going through the rotary, the law says I am entitled to a lane, or

Re: [MBZ] Park your Toyota Pious

2015-04-26 Thread Rich Thomas via Mercedes
So a little while ago I rode my bike down to the beach and was coming home. I only have to go in a road for a coupla hundred feet, mostly through a rotary/roundabout, the rest is bike path or a median for a short ways. So I am going through the rotary, the law says I am entitled to a lane, or