Re: Classes moving into namespaces; parrot reserved namespace

2006-05-23 Thread Chip Salzenberg
I've got a partial solution to the pending question of namespace vs. class. Specifically, I've realized that Parrot already had most of a simple solution to populating a class's methods even if the class has no public namespace, what with the ".const .Sub" technique. When I went to implement the r

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Andy Lester
On May 23, 2006, at 9:24 PM, James E Keenan wrote: I've mostly ignored CPANTS, in large part because I refuse to include t/pod.t and t/pod_coverage.t in my distributions because they don't pick up the format in which some of my best documentation is written. And refusing to include those

Re: parrot and pugs builds for os x

2006-05-23 Thread David Romano
FYI, another mirror is set up at http://lenin.net/~emile/www.unobe.com/packages/ David

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread James E Keenan
David Golden wrote: How does "is_prereq" improve quality? I've mostly ignored CPANTS, in large part because I refuse to include t/pod.t and t/pod_coverage.t in my distributions because they don't pick up the format in which some of my best documentation is written. And refusing to inc

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Ovid
- Original Message > From: Larry Wall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You should not need "my" on the right side of a ->. Also, you should > be able to write $arg_for for constant subscripts. Thanks! The revised script is below for those who are interested. Cheers, Ovid - my %buckets = (

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Ovid
Er, and the first loop is better written as this: for %buckets.values -> my $arg_for { for 0 .. $arg_for{'count'} -> $index { $arg_for{'array'}.push($index * $arg_for{'scale'}); } } Instead of: for %buckets.kv -> my $bucket, $arg_for { for 0 .. $arg_for{'count'

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Ovid
Hi Chris, I hope you don't mind. With the idea of getting back into Perl6, I've taken the liberty of rewriting your code to clean it up a bit (somewhat successfully), and make it more "perl6ish" (somewhat unsuccessfully). The only significant issue I have with my version is the terribly neste

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Dr.Ruud
"Chris Yocum" schreef: > print @array[0] ~ "|" ~ @array[1] ~ "|" ~ @array[2] . "\n"; First the Perl6-equivalent of $" = '|' ; and then say "@array" ; -- Affijn, Ruud "Gewoon is een tijger."

Re: Getting to hello world?

2006-05-23 Thread Andy Dougherty
On Sun, 21 May 2006, James Peregrino wrote: > You folks took me too literally :) I meant: Given a system without > pugs/parrot/haskell (I assume perl5 is required), what are the things you > need to install so that you can say > > perl6 -e "say 'hello world'" > > i.e. > > tar xf ghc.tar.gz >

Perl 6 and Parrot links

2006-05-23 Thread Jurosz Michal
Hello, feel free to use http://wiki.kn.vutbr.cz/mj/index.cgi?Perl%206%20and%20Parrot%20links .

Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6).

2006-05-23 Thread Paul Fenwick
G'day Conrad and P6ers, My apology for this being a very brief note. I'm on an interstate training assignment until the end of the week, and I'm scrounging net access where I can. Conrad Schneiker wrote: [snip] > Their posted policies, FAQ, and (http://perl.net.au/wiki/PerlNet:About), > seem t

[svn:perl6-synopsis] r9306 - doc/trunk/design/syn

2006-05-23 Thread larry
Author: larry Date: Tue May 23 12:54:49 2006 New Revision: 9306 Modified: doc/trunk/design/syn/S02.pod Log: Ambiguity noted by spinclad++. Modified: doc/trunk/design/syn/S02.pod == --- doc/trunk/design/syn/S02.pod

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Thomas Klausner
Hi! I missed most of this discussion due to work and a very important shopping trip to IKEA (well, maybe not that important, but I'll let you argue this out with my girlfriend...) I'm also a bit exhausted now, so here are just some semi-random comments on this thread: - I think the biggest probl

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
Dear Mr. Bach, You were indeed correct so I wrapped the %hash like this "@{%hash}" like you would to de-refrence an array and it worked perfectly. It was indeed just me. Thanks to everyone that responded! Chris On 5/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Oh, I just saw som

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
Huh. The script is not too long so I will post it here for people to see since I cannot see anything wrong with it. It is just embarrassing to give out bad code. All it does is solves a bucket problem, which I have been working on for something else. ---

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Ovid
This seems to work for me: pugs -e 'say (1,2,3).join("|")' 1|2|3 Or even: pugs -e '(1,2,3).join("|").say' 1|2|3 Cheers, Ovid -- If this message is a response to a question on a mailing list, please send follow up questions to the list. Web Programming with Perl -- http://users.easy

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
Dear Fagyal, Huh. Strange. I tried the code on its own without the rest of the script and it did just fine as well. There must be something wrong in my script somewhere. Chris On 5/23/06, Fagyal Csongor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chris, Strange. I have just tried this using an old versi

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Fagyal Csongor
Chris, Strange. I have just tried this using an old version (6.2.3) of Pugs: my (@array) = 1,2,3; print @array[0] ~ "|" ~ @array[1] ~ "|" ~ @array[2] ~ "\n"; It prints 1|2|3 on my terminal. Gabor's join-ed version also works. - Fagzal > Oops. That last . is a typo on my part. Sorry about th

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
Oops. That last . is a typo on my part. Sorry about that! It should read, which it does in my code: print @array[0] ~ "|" ~ @array[1] ~ "|" ~ @array[2] ~ "\n"; However, your say join technique does not work. I will keep on it but for now I am off to dinner! Thanks!, Chris On 5/23/06, Gabor

Re: Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Gabor Szabo
On 5/23/06, Chris Yocum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 1|2|3 I would say something like: print $array[0] . "|" . $array[1] . "|" . $array[2] . "\n"; not the best way but it works. In Perl6 if say something like this: print @array[0] ~ "|" ~ @array[1] ~ "|" ~ @array[2] . "\n"; I get 1 2 3 | |

Simple Print/Say Question

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
Hi all, I was converting a program that I wrote a while back from Perl5 to Perl6 and I got stuck on something really easy. In Perl5, when I want to print something out, in this case an array with lines between the columns, like this: 1|2|3 I would say something like: print $array[0] . "|"

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 23 May 2006 07:35, Chris Dolan wrote: > is_prereq is usually a proxy metric for software maturity: if someone   > thinks your module is good enough that he would rather depend on it   > than reinvent it, then it's probably a better-than-average module on   > CPAN. Contra: File::Find.

[svn:parrot-pdd] r12774 - trunk/docs/pdds/clip

2006-05-23 Thread chip
Author: chip Date: Tue May 23 11:06:17 2006 New Revision: 12774 Modified: trunk/docs/pdds/clip/pdd23_exceptions.pod Log: Half-done. The new opcodes and directives are certain, and can be the basis of implementation work immediately. Modified: trunk/docs/pdds/clip/pdd23_exceptions.pod ===

[perl #39190] [PATCH] trivial ./parrot -h help text patch

2006-05-23 Thread Will Coleda via RT
Thanks, applied.

[perl #39190] [PATCH] trivial ./parrot -h help text patch

2006-05-23 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Andy Dougherty # Please include the string: [perl #39190] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=39190 > Trying to debug why imcc dumps core, I puzzled over why parrot wouldn't accept the -

Re: perl 6 hosting?

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Mathews
Um, yes anyone wanna work on a tryperl6 virtual shell? --michael On 23/05/06, Randy W. Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Maybe something along the lines of Randy.

Re: perl 6 hosting?

2006-05-23 Thread Randy W. Sims
Michael Mathews wrote: I realise its still very, very early days, but considering the growing number of people who would enjoy just dabbling a little in perl6, it seems unreasonable to expect that the "average person" would install the many megabytes of beta (alpha?) software required, and keep i

[perl #39188] imcc dumps core when called with -o file.pasm.

2006-05-23 Thread via RT
# New Ticket Created by Andy Dougherty # Please include the string: [perl #39188] # in the subject line of all future correspondence about this issue. # https://rt.perl.org/rt3/Ticket/Display.html?id=39188 > As of this morning's snapshot (Tue May 23 07:15:07 2006 UTC) The following additional

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 5/23/06, Andy Lester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > How do you get authors to actually look at the CPANTS information > and > make corrections? Well, we like competition. Make it a game! > > So it was you -- or somebody impersonating you on this list -- who > managed to persuade me that a

Re: perl 6 hosting?

2006-05-23 Thread Andrew Shitov
> updated with the latest releases. However, if someone had already done > that, why not let folks log in remotely via shell accounts and try out > the latest version on that computer? I have played with server-side Perl 6 m-m-m about two years ago: http://real.perl6.ru/. Wokrs well since April 20

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Michael G Schwern
On 5/23/06, David Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: How does "is_prereq" improve quality? Can we avoid getting side-tracked by individual indicators? Move it to another thread, please.

Re: perl 6 hosting?

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Yocum
That is an interesting idea but, as you say, fraught with security problems. Maybe we can find a team of people to create binaries on a regular basis for most of the major platforms? That would mitigate the security concerns and allow people to run up-to-date stuff. This is just a thought, howe

perl 6 hosting?

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Mathews
I realise its still very, very early days, but considering the growing number of people who would enjoy just dabbling a little in perl6, it seems unreasonable to expect that the "average person" would install the many megabytes of beta (alpha?) software required, and keep it all updated with the l

Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6)

2006-05-23 Thread Michael Mathews
I for one, think a Perl6-users wiki would be extremely useful, I'm just not sure why a site that distinguishes itself as "a portal for the Australian and New Zealand Perl community" makes the most sense (particularly to anyone trying to find the Perl6-users wiki from outside this mailing list). O

Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6)

2006-05-23 Thread Conrad Schneiker
Please see forwarded note below. (( Paul: Didn't see this show up in the archives, so I'm forwarding it on your behalf. Looks like you have to be subscribed to post. Details for doing that are in: http://www.athenalab.com/Perl_6_Users_FAQ.htm Also please look at a posted reply: http://

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Dolan
On May 23, 2006, at 10:15 AM, H.Merijn Brand wrote: is_prereq is usually a vote of confidence, I respectfully disagree completely. It's been more than once that I did *not* install a module because it required a module that I did not trust, either because of (the programming style of) the au

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Dolan
On May 23, 2006, at 10:34 AM, David Golden wrote: Chris Dolan wrote: ... just checking for the presence of a t/pod_coverage.t file (which is a weak proxy for POD quality, but dramatically easier to measure). It doesn't check for the existence of a t/pod_coverage.t file. It checks that a

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread David Golden
Chris Dolan wrote: is_prereq is usually a proxy metric for software maturity: if someone thinks your module is good enough that he would rather depend on it than reinvent it, then it's probably a better-than-average module on CPAN. is_prereq is usually a vote of confidence, so it is likely a g

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue, 23 May 2006 09:35:27 -0500, Chris Dolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On May 23, 2006, at 8:39 AM, David Golden wrote: > > > How does "is_prereq" improve quality? > > > > Or, put differently, how does measuring something that an author > > can't control create an incentive to improve? >

Re: [perl #39135] Problem with concat on Match objects

2006-05-23 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Am Samstag, 13. Mai 2006 05:36 schrieb Patrick R.Michaud (via RT): > I've run into the following problem using concat with > Match objects from PGE.  The code below performs a match, > then attempts to concatenate a string with the results > of the returned Match object: This is now fixed, I've re

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Chris Dolan
On May 23, 2006, at 8:39 AM, David Golden wrote: How does "is_prereq" improve quality? Or, put differently, how does measuring something that an author can't control create an incentive to improve? is_prereq is usually a proxy metric for software maturity: if someone thinks your module is

Re: Newbe: How do I configure @*INC ?

2006-05-23 Thread Jonathan Scott Duff
On Mon, May 22, 2006 at 11:02:15PM -0500, John M. Dlugosz wrote: > Anyway, where is the configuration kept? I need to change the default > values of @*INC to be where my copy is really located. You should be able to set the PERL6LIB environment variable to contain a semi-colon (on win32) separat

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread David Golden
Andy Lester wrote: How do you get authors to actually look at the CPANTS information and make corrections? Well, we like competition. Make it a game! So it was you -- or somebody impersonating you on this list -- who managed to persuade me that actually Cpants being a game was a good thing

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Andy Lester
How do you get authors to actually look at the CPANTS information and make corrections? Well, we like competition. Make it a game! So it was you -- or somebody impersonating you on this list -- who managed to persuade me that actually Cpants being a game was a good thing! The key is tha

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Smylers
Michael G Schwern writes: > There's a problem. CPANTS is not a game. If you make it a game, the > system does not work. Hi there. I made a similarish point on this list about a year ago, to which you replied: http://groups.google.co.uk/[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your reply included: Finally, the

Re: (Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6).

2006-05-23 Thread Juerd
Conrad Schneiker skribis 2006-05-23 0:42 (-0700): > Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6). That's a nice page, and Mediawiki is a nice wiki. But I'd really prefer a wiki written in Perl 6, because it's about time we started to show off. Serving important information with PHP is possib

Re: CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Tue, May 23, 2006 at 01:18:48 -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I haven't looked at what's going on in CPANTS for a while but Andy's post > made me have a look and oh dear. There's a problem. CPANTS is not a game. > If you make it a game, the system does not work. Likewise it should not test

Re: Getting to hello world?

2006-05-23 Thread James E Keenan
Gabor Szabo wrote: On Ubuntu it was quite straigt forward, I think this is everything I needed: sudo apt-get install subversion sudo apt-get install ghc6 Given that, in the above, you installed subversion and ghc6 for all users ... [snip] # To compile Parrot svn co https://svn.perl.org

(Existing) Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6).

2006-05-23 Thread Conrad Schneiker
I was googling around, looking for the most suitable Perl Wiki for a possible addition of a Perl 6 section, and happened across this site: Perl 6 Wiki: (http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_6). Their posted policies, FAQ, and (http://perl.net.au/wiki/PerlNet:About), seem to be very favorably inclined

CPANTS is not a game.

2006-05-23 Thread Michael G Schwern
I haven't looked at what's going on in CPANTS for a while but Andy's post made me have a look and oh dear. There's a problem. CPANTS is not a game. If you make it a game, the system does not work. Let's review. CPANTS is not a measure of module quality since module quality is not well defined

RE: Getting to hello world?

2006-05-23 Thread Conrad Schneiker
> "James Peregrino" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > You folks took me too literally :) I meant: Given a system without > > pugs/parrot/haskell (I assume perl5 is required), what are the > > things you need to install > > I just translated my german "Pugs First Blood" notes about how to > compile P