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On 26/12/12 17:38, Brian Curtin wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti
> wrote:
>> And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind
>> of people. Different people have different behaviors and skills.
>> I don't think hi
Welcome, Serhiy!
Glad to see you in committers list.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:02 PM, Eric V. Smith wrote:
> On 12/26/2012 1:00 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
>> середа 26 грудень 2012 19:44:34 Eli Bendersky ви написали:
>>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
The SSH key is a
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:37 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti
> wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> > > I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one discussion
> at
> > > conferences this year with people _a
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:28 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
>>
>> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>> > I'm seriously considering writing all this as a PEP (most likely
>> > without any personal details). I hope this won't be useful in the
>> > future but it might help having this gathered a
Wiadomość napisana przez Ezio Melotti w dniu 26 gru
2012, o godz. 17:56:
> At the end he thanked me for bringing this up with him, and apparently he is
> willing to improve.
>
Full disclosure: I'm not buying it.
But I'd *love* to be proven wrong and am willing to give him time to show that
Wiadomość napisana przez "R. David Murray" w dniu 26
gru 2012, o godz. 18:37:
> Because, to put it in new age-y terms, his bad vibrations are poisoning
> the environment.
Thank you. Your entire response expresses my thoughts exactly.
--
Best regards,
Łukasz Langa
Senior Systems Architecture
On 12/26/2012 1:00 PM, Serhiy Storchaka wrote:
> середа 26 грудень 2012 19:44:34 Eli Bendersky ви написали:
>> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
>>> The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
>>>
>>> Welcome Serhiy!
>>
>> Yes, welcome!
>>
>> Serhiy, if you have
середа 26 грудень 2012 19:44:34 Eli Bendersky ви написали:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> > The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
> >
> > Welcome Serhiy!
>
> Yes, welcome!
>
> Serhiy, if you haven't already done so, please subscribe to
> python-c
Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 18:38 +0100, Georg Brandl a écrit :
> The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
>
> Welcome Serhiy!
Welcome indeed (und fröhlich Weihnachten)!
Regards
Antoine.
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Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 17:54 Antoine Pitrou napisał(a):
> I personally think it is very sane for this list to be public.
Absolutely.
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On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:56:54 +0200, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
>
> > You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
> > through to him after several people have already talked to him.
> > Apparently he even got on Skype with Gui
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:54:01 +0100, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 08:08 -0800, Eli Bendersky a écrit :
> > At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> > knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
> >
> > http://mail.pyt
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
>
> Welcome Serhiy!
>
>
Yes, welcome!
Serhiy, if you haven't already done so, please subscribe to
python-committers.
Eli
On 12/26/2012 05:02 PM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> Ok. Tha
On 12/26/2012 06:17 PM, Eli Bendersky wrote:
> > At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> > knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
> >
> > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
> >
> > So in some s
The SSH key is added; tracker privileges were already given.
Welcome Serhiy!
Georg
On 12/26/2012 05:02 PM, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> Ok. Thanks.
>
> Sent to Serhiy link to instructions for next steps
> (http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges)
> as Nick suggested.
>
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 18:20:06 +0200, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Åukasz Langa wrote:
> > I don't want to spell out names but I've had more than one discussion at
> > conferences this year with people _afraid_ to get involved with core
> > development on the base of havi
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:54 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote:
> Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 08:08 -0800, Eli Bendersky a écrit :
> > At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> > knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
> >
> > http://mail.python.org/mailma
Hello,
I agree with Brian and Nick. While I don't bother much with Anatoly
anymore (I ignore at least 95% of his postings), I think it is not nice
to let newcomers deal with the cognitive overhead of reading and
appreciating his ramblings.
That said he doesn't need to be banned from *all* of pyt
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 4:18 PM, Brian Curtin wrote:
> You're wasting your time if you think you will be the one to break
> through to him after several people have already talked to him.
> Apparently he even got on Skype with Guido about this. People would
> *pay* to have that chance. Anatoly go
Le mercredi 26 décembre 2012 à 08:08 -0800, Eli Bendersky a écrit :
> At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
>
> So in so
People have the entire internet to abuse us (and they do). That's why I
spend as much time as I do explaining *why* various things in Python are
the way they are.
However, we shouldn't have to put up with disrespectful bullshit on our own
communication channels. Those are for us to collaborate on
No, I never got on Skype with Anatoly. I did write a very frank email and
got the usual response. I don't think I am up to doing anything more about
him. He doesn't bother me that much, I ignore most of his threads. He is a
reviewer and committer on Rietveld and behaves better there.
--Guido
On W
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> And a side effect of being welcoming is that you get every kind of people.
> Different people have different behaviors and skills. I don't think his
> lack of social skills is worse than e.g. the lack of English skills of some
> of the contr
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
> Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti
> napisał(a):
>
> > The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the
> messages themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same
> negative feelings. People shoul
At the risk of stating something that I imagine everyone already
> knows, this list is itself publicly viewable:
>
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers
>
> So in some sense what we write here is already being said beyond this
> list (though not actively). For example, the t
Ok. Thanks.
Sent to Serhiy link to instructions for next steps
(http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges)
as Nick suggested.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 5:47 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:36:46 +0200, Andrew Svetlov
> wrote:
>> On Wed, Dec 26, 20
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 17:36:46 +0200, Andrew Svetlov
wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> > Run through the sections here:
> > http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
> >
> > The main one is for Serhiy to send an email with his public SSH k
On 26 Dec, 2012, at 16:36, Andrew Svetlov wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
>> Run through the sections here:
>> http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
>>
>> The main one is for Serhiy to send an email with his public SSH key to
>> hg
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> Run through the sections here:
> http://docs.python.org/devguide/coredev.html#gaining-commit-privileges
>
> The main one is for Serhiy to send an email with his public SSH key to
> hgaccou...@python.org (I believe the folks on that list are al
Dnia 26 gru 2012 o godz. 15:09 Ezio Melotti napisał(a):
> The community should ignore the tone of the messages or even the messages
> themselves and most importantly avoid replies that convey the same negative
> feelings. People should be able to recognize when a discussion is not
> construct
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:28 PM, R. David Murray wrote:
> As an aside, it has occurred to me that the fundamental problem here is
> that we do not feel that Anatoly respects *us*. So it is no wonder that
> we are offended and do not respect him.
Agreed. Being a welcoming community means *defaul
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:09 AM, Ezio Melotti wrote:
> That said, ISTM that the main problem is that the way he communicates is not
> really effective and that results in an "energy drain" for other people.
> This can be addressed on both the sides.
> The community should ignore the tone of the me
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
> Anatoly's
> contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
> perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:28 AM, R. David Murray wrote:
> Anatoly has been shaming us publicly for years. We would be much more
> polite and rational in any more-public statement made (I trust). We
> would still draw fire. That may or may not make us stronger in the
> long run...for it to do so
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 10:59 PM, Andrew Svetlov
wrote:
> I've asked Serhiy about commit access today by email.
> He want to be committer.
> He agree with getting review for any nontrivial patch before commit
> and will follow our rules (as he does it today).
>
> What is next step in getting priv
On Wed, 26 Dec 2012 02:36:08 -0500, Terry Reedy wrote:
> This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
>
> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Åukasz Langa wrote:
> > 1. Communicate what happened clearly and openly to our community.
>
> I am not sure how broadly you mean 'our community', but please no.
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> We don't want to be mean to somebody who genuinely appears to be
> trying to help, but eventually we have to look at his net impact and
> say "keeping our productive volunteers happy is more important than
> trying to include someone who has d
I've asked Serhiy about commit access today by email.
He want to be committer.
He agree with getting review for any nontrivial patch before commit
and will follow our rules (as he does it today).
What is next step in getting privs?
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 2:11 AM, Andrew Svetlov
wrote:
> On Wed
On Wed, Dec 26, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Georg Brandl wrote:
> FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of
> Anatoly's
> contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
> perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all (!)
>
On Tue, Dec 25, 2012 at 11:36 PM, Terry Reedy wrote:
> This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
>
>
> On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
>>
>> Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan
>> napisał(a):
>>
>>> I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the
>>> feeling
FWIW, I agree 100% with Terry here. I'm certainly annoyed by many of Anatoly's
contributions, and find myself extremely unwilling to do anything about his
perceived issues, but to exclude a community member publicly (!) from all (!)
python.org resources is going too far IMO. Individual policy vio
This is a continuation of my answer to Christian
On 12/25/2012 5:56 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote:
Dnia 25 gru 2012 o godz. 13:37 Nick Coghlan
napisał(a):
I'm well and truly to the point of caring far more about the
feelings of people who get frustrated trying to deal with his
obtuseness (whether th
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