[ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-28 Thread Michael Berger
Hello out there does any of the existing QL emulators support a QL network link between PC and QL? - I do not mean by Serial port (as I know QPC2 can do this) but by the "QL network" connection - probably to a pair of data/ground pins on the PC's parallel port? Regards Michael ___

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-28 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Michael Berger wrote: > does any of the existing QL emulators support a QL network link between PC > and QL? - I do not mean by Serial port (as I know QPC2 can do this) but by > the "QL network" connection - probably to a pair of data/ground pins on the > PC's parallel port? No, I was experimentin

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-29 Thread Darren . Branagh
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Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-29 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Darren Branagh wrote: > There is the QXL - a hardware QL emulator - Which has QL network ports on > the back. I often used mine between my QXL/PC and black box QL, mind you > that was before QPC and SERNET :-)) Yes, and IIRC it depended on the QXL's speed, if a faster processor was fitted it upset

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi Dilwyn, I made a cable and connect up QPC2, Q60, QXL, QL, Atari ST QL All worked very well, except the serial network speed is limited to the slowest machine, in the the above chage the QL. But QPC2 to Q60 Sernets very easily at 115600 baud giving 11.56K transfer. The only failure I had wa

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Michael Berger
Hello out there, is sernet for the QL free or does it cost money? As far as I understand the matter it is already built into the OS of QPC2, but I would need a software counterpart for the Sinclair black box? So far I only found webpages containing discussions on sernet but not a download page :-(

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Dilwyn Jones
> I made a cable and connect up QPC2, Q60, QXL, QL, Atari ST QL > > All worked very well, except the serial network speed is limited to the slowest machine, in the the above chage the QL. I expected that. Which version of Sernet did you use to get the 'circular' system working. That's one reason w

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Michael Berger wrote: > is sernet for the QL free or does it cost money? As far as I understand the > matter it is already built into the OS of QPC2, but I would need a software > counterpart for the Sinclair black box? No, it's supplied separately on the SMSQ/E (or QPC) disc. And normally it does

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Gerhard Plavec
> File transfer via floppy disk is my current alternative, but looks like that > is not too reliable - maybe due to the fact that I do not have 'real' 3.5" > DD disks but rather HD disks formatted as DD. The QL's disk drive apparently > does not have problems with them but QPC2 doesn't recognize DD

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-30 Thread Derek Stewart
Dilwyn, If only 2 machines or nodes are on the Sernet, then a standard null modem leas will do. Try Maplins or any electronics store or I can supply them. With more than 2 nodes on the serial network, then a special cable or arrangement must be made. As you have suggested, the Sernet is a circ

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-07-31 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > No, it's supplied separately on the SMSQ/E (or QPC) disc. And

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread wolfgang mühlegger
Michael Berger schrieb: - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? No, it's supplied separately on the SMSQ

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "wolfgang mühlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > michael > > there is a very good manual in the above me

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread wolfgang mühlegger
Michael Berger schrieb: - Original Message - From: "wolfgang mühlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? michael there is a very good manual in

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos (ÎÎÎÎÎÏ Î. ÎÏÏÎÎÏ)
On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:47:01 +0200, wolfgang mÃhlegger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Michael Berger schrieb: - Original Message - From: "wolfgang mÃhlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Derek Stewart
l Berger schrieb: > > > - Original Message - > > From: "wolfgang mühlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:39 PM > > Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "wolfgang mühlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > EXEC MENUCONFIG > > that should help that explains a lo

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκος)
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:36:59 +0200, Michael Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "wolfgang mÃhlegger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Phoebus R. Dokos (ÎÏ Î. ÎÏÏÎÎÏ)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > IIRC sernet > only has v.1 config blocks (I

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Derek Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > on QL using SER2 Hi Derek, if I interpret that correctly you do h

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:56:06 +0200, Michael Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Phoebus R. Dokos (Φοίβος Ρ. Ντόκος)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Netw

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Phoebus R. Dokos (F??ß?? ?. ?t) wrote: > Not 100% true. If you rename under DOS Menuconfig to say Menuconf.EXn > (where n is the appropriate no for the dataspace required (see SMSQ/e > manual) you can execute Menuconfig from a dos disk (or a DOS device under > QPC2) even if the header is lost.

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Michael Berger wrote: > Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable > file itself is a messy and error prone thing. Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is especially nice because it can upd

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Michael Berger wrote: > that explains a lot! ... of course I could not execute MenuConfig ... > because I unzipped it under Windows! So QDOS has no chance to recognize it > as an executable. That is BTW one of my major problems at the moment: I do > not yet have a working UNZIP prog under QDOS. Wh

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 11:13 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > There's a standard info-zip version available in the differe

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Michael Berger wrote: > InfoUnZip 5.40 I guess? The only problem with that is although it is fairly > verbose (fairly QL untypically b.t.w.) but to me it looks like it is not > really adapted to QDOS conversions ... ie what I miss is a QDOS example how > to unzip an archive from command line ex un

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-01 Thread Gerhard Plavec
> Well, it's absolutely not *self* modifying. It's done in a precisely > defined way by another application and not during runtime, therefore > all the rules that say "modifying code is bad" don't apply. And as the > concept of a "working directory" or a "current directory" is alien to > the QL it'

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Tarquin Mills
Marcel Kilgus wrote: > Michael Berger wrote: > > Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the > > executable file itself is a messy and error prone thing. > > Why's that? What's error prone about this? And once you're used to > this, it's actually a piece of cake. Level 2 is

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Derek Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:06 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? On QPC2 using SER2 10 BAUD 2,9600 20 LRESPR "SERNET_SER2_REXT&quo

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Derek Stewart
lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > > > On QPC2 using SER2 > > 10 BAUD 2,9600 > 20 LRESPR "SERNET_SER2_REXT" > 30 SNET 1 > 40 SERNET : REMark Ser

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Dilwyn Jones
> > that explains a lot! ... of course I could not execute MenuConfig ... > > because I unzipped it under Windows! So QDOS has no chance to recognize it > > as an executable. That is BTW one of my major problems at the moment: I do > > not yet have a working UNZIP prog under QDOS. Which prg / vers

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Dilwyn Jones
> > IIRC sernet > > only has v.1 config blocks (I am completely against the idea of config > > blocks myself... and all self modifying executables for that manner... btw > > :-) ) > > Completely agree. Having the configuration information within the executable > file itself is a messy and error pr

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Derek Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > The problem maybe the cable, as the SERNET files I sent you all wo

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-02 Thread Dilwyn Jones
> > The problem maybe the cable, as the SERNET files I sent you all work on my > systems. > > > > Email the details of your cable to me and I will try and sort out the > problem. > > Hello Derek, > > I guess you got it to the point: > As far as I could determine using some primitive measurement (I

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-03 Thread Michael Berger
- Original Message - From: "Dilwyn Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "QL Users List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible? > Once someone gets QL to other computer s

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-03 Thread Phoebus R. Dokos
On Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:51:03 +0200, Michael Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The problem is soo complex, it is not easy making the right conclusions :-( Not really up to 2400 is the maximum reliable you can get on a real QL if you do not have Hermes or superHermes. I'd say your cable i

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-03 Thread Derek Stewart
Hi, 9600 Baud is the maximum reliable data rate I have had betweenn Q60 and QL with SuperHermes and MInerva 1.97 fitted. Superhermes SER3 device driver does not work with Sernet as the device driver does not allow SRX and STX extensions to the port. I suppose if the source to the Super Herme

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Mon, 2 Aug 2004 at 21:40:19, Michael Berger wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) - Original Message - From: "Derek Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 8:46 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> P

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sat, 7 Aug 2004 at 11:54:21, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) PC side --- \ 1 2 3 4 5 / \ 6 7 8 9 / --- QL side (SER2 port, british version) +--- |\ |/ +- 1 2 3 4 5 6 - the cable connects

Re: [ql-users] QL Network link QL <--> PC possible?

2004-08-07 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 at 15:38:59, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) > >> After all I guess the simplest workaround for me would be to get a cable >> that works with the QL's ser1 port - as I picked up from the discussion >> several people use sernet but noone gave a step-by step d