Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Just a follow-up. I contacted Riv HQ and they no longer sell this frame and said that even if were to get one from Soma they could not build it up due to changes they made to the frame (different sizes and some wheel size changes). On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 7:44:54 AM UTC-7, Alex Wirth-

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

What Reed said x1000we are rather fortunate to have someone in the industry that has his or her integrity fully intact. It's a rarity to say the least. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I don't really know if that's true anymore. The cost of labor in China isn't much lower than Taiwan. In some cases (Colossi for instance) it's actually quite a bit more because there is more competition for skilled welders. It's more about materials and supply chain. -- You received this

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Riv could do a truly ridiculous-low-cost bike made in China. Thankfully there's NO chance of this happening. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email

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It's always nice to think about getting something just-as-good for less money. I believe that's what Grant / Riv were looking to do with the Clem and Clementine. They've been open about what compromises were required to get down to that price point, and now folks can choose between a bike with no

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I have the older frame with the fork that gets disparaged but I love it and that is what matters. Oh and I'm a girl but don't agree with it it being a girly bike. That thought never crossed my mind -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch"

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When I think of Bikes Direct, I think of lower cost, though certainly the higher levels can get up there a bit. Even just the Riv build kits are more than many BD complete bikes. Imagine a Riv inspired 21-24 speed triple for under $500. Here's an example of the level I was thinking of:

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:46 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I > doubt he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point. > There's a 3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Isn't Rivendell technically the Bikes Direct Grant Designs? I know they have more dealers now, but it's been mail order since day 1. Don't get me wrong, the San Marcos rides great imo, but the Bleriot was like 95% perfect and I for one was really disappointed that they didn't just re-relase it

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Girly looking. That's funny! Tim: look to Brooklyn Bicycle for a Bikes Direct-priced Grant design. I doubt he did the whole line, but I know he was involved at some point. There's a 3-speed double-tuber with flipped bars that looks like a budget Pashley Guv'nor..very cool. -- You received

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Hey Evan tell us how you really feel about the bike!  -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I suspect it had somthing to do with the butt ugly forks they originally came with. And not having front rack mounts. And not having decent tire clearance. And not being low trail or planing. And generally being overly "girly" looking. -- You received this message because you are subscribed

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On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:16 AM, Chris Birkenmaier wrote: > I have to echo Sean's comment. Given the relative price break in the Soma > for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled > by the lack of sales for this model. The bike clearly

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Evan Baird wrote: > The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If > it was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a > home run I'm certain. So, a Bikes Direct bike designed by Grant?

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

The SM costs about twice what it should because it's sold through IBDs. If it was made by a company that only sold to consumers it would have been a home run I'm certain. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Same, the geometry is similar to the Hillborne, but much lighter and heat-treated tubing. I was particularly surprised that even the seat stay/chain stays joint was lugged as well. I don't think other Riv's are even lugged at that point (at least I know that the Cheviot and Hillborne aren't).

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I have to echo Sean's comment. Given the relative price break in the Soma for something designed by Riv and with Riv quality ride, I too am puzzled by the lack of sales for this model. The bike clearly exceeded my expectations! On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 9:57:33 AM UTC-4,

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I recently acquired a San Marcos and absolutely love it. It has all the Riv ride characteristics at a more manageable price point. Got mine through my local shop directly from SOMA, but I remember at the time they had only a couple of 51cms left. The size is perfect. I am 5'6" with a pbh of

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I dig your SM, Reed. There was a guy at the RBW Book Talk Ride who had a blue Appaloosa with an IGH hub (can't remember what bars). It was gorgeous! Speaking of such matters, it's too bad Riv isn't continuing the light blue on those Joes. It looks WAY better live in color than it does on the

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

THanks Reed! I really do like my bike and yours is set up very cool. I approve! I had a 1974 Raleigh super course redone with urban bars and a 3 speed. Tons of fun to ride -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Sounds like the San Marcos might be a good choice for you. One thing that's nice about all Rivendells is how versatile they are...even the 'road-specific' models. I have a Roadeo and with Jack Browns or 35mm knobby cross tires, it handles non-singletrack dirt and gravel trails great. Eric On

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

There are a few frames left, except no 51cm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Hi. I am 5'8" with a pbh of 77.8 so I am right there with you on that. I have a 51 and I feel it is a good fit for me. Although there isn't a lot of clearance I only ride it on the paved road and I've had no problems with the higher top tube. And I'm quite sure I now own the bike that was

Re: [RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 12:43 PM, Rob H. wrote: > > Also don't know if you're in the SF Bay Area but there was someone trying > to sell a built up 51cm SM on CL. I think they were in the South Bay > possibly a bike shop. At any rate, the listing expired (not deleted) so it

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I've got a "700c" 54 SM (first generation) and like it a lot. It's a little bit odd because I bought it used off CL from some guy and it actually has the shorter fork (650b for the 51cm SM) on it. So my solution, ultimately, after getting tired of only being able to run super narrow tires on it

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

I think the San Marcos is going to be a great bike for you. I also believe it takes a quill stem which if you go with the Tallux will let you put the bars nice so you can keep your drop bars if you like. Scott On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 8:00:22 AM UTC-6, PineTarSoap wrote: > > I would like

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

For reference, I'm 5'6", 78cm PBH, and 150lb. I don't think Rivendell carries it anymore. I ordered my frame through a Soma dealer, make sure you ask for the nice bend fork, instead of the banana fork if those things matter to you. On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:00:22 AM UTC-4, PineTarSoap

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

for reference my PBH is 78cm, I'm 5'6", and abuot 145-150lb. On Tuesday, June 21, 2016 at 10:24:45 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote: > > Hi, > > I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. > IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but >

[RBW] Re: Soma San Marcos questions....

Hi, I've rode/owned all those bikes you've mentioned at one time or another. IMO, the San Marcos is just the ticket. It handles the same as the Sam, but made of heat treated, and lighter tubing. So it's just as stable, but a more "spirited" ride. Still can carry a good load (I've hauled about