Brant,
As the developer of Twollo I take an exception to you saying Twollo is an
abusive application and violates the TOS. We are do not exist to abuse the
system, the number of user on our system is large and the vast majority of
our users are good users who have a genuine interest in finding
What if the Twitter community were to draft a code of honor that could be
voted on by anyone with a Twitter account. Kind of like the Facebook ToS
voting but actually community driven.
A few questions regarding this:
Do you think it would be possible for the community to come to a final decision?
To: twitter-development-talk@googlegroups.com
Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Application Usage Guidelines, Please Read
What if the Twitter community were to draft a code of honor that could be
voted on by anyone with a Twitter account. Kind of like the Facebook ToS
voting but actually community
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Abraham Williams4bra...@gmail.com wrote:
How would the CoH be social enforced?
I think there's already social enforcement. You can d spam @whoever
or just @spam @whoever to make your report. Developers of desktop
clients might consider making a little macro
You could do the Stackoverflow method of quietly silencing/ignoring the
users that are spamming/abusing the system which is why I suggested not
sending the XYZ is now following you email for people that look like they
are abusing the system.
Paul.
2009/6/11 Caliban Darklock cdarkl...@gmail.com
On 6/11/09 2:48 PM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
You could do the Stackoverflow method of quietly silencing/ignoring
the users that are spamming/abusing the system which is why I suggested
not sending the XYZ is now following you email for people that look
like they are abusing the system.
Absolutely.
On 6/11/09 3:52 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I think you may not be considering legitimate automated systems that can
quickly find a number of people who are discussing n emerging topic. My
social network analysis does that - when it sees a topic becoming hot,
it does some searches to see who is
Thank you for the response Doug. I intended the post to be more curious than
implicative though it may have sounded more of the latter. In any case,
we¹ve all grown to love the openness of the platform, and the platform
itself as such a great opportunity to build. I just got nervous when I
If someone runs through your neighborhood killing people with a
chainsaw, should the government shut down Home Depot because they sell
chainsaws?
It is a fact of life that, regardless of how benign or how powerful
the tools are that you provide your users, 99% will use them in a
sensible and
I think 1% is pretty kind given the huge volume of spammers on Twitter
these days. And I'd even say that spam-friendly tools turn
non-spammers INTO spammers, either inadvertently, or gateway style --
once they see how they can take advantage of the system, they do.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9:55
On 6/10/09 9:55 AM, Dewald Pretorius wrote:
It is a fact of life that, regardless of how benign or how powerful
the tools are that you provide your users, 99% will use them in a
sensible and responsible manner, and 1% will always try and abuse
them.
This is why I am ALWAYS very cautious about
Dossy,
You are 100% correct. They will spam as long as there is some benefit
for them doing so.
Spamming is like shoplifting. It's part of the cost of doing business
if you own a store. You put measures in place to try and prevent it,
but you can never prevent it all.
Dewald
On Jun 10, 11:36
Having a known ghetto is useful: it helps you focus where to patrol.
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Despite the poor, potentially offensive use of the term ghetto ? Any
neighborhood of a particular clustered minor demographic deserves to
be patrolled? Slick gents, slick.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Cameron Kaiserspec...@floodgap.com wrote:
Having a known ghetto is useful: it helps
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Andrew Baderaand...@badera.us wrote:
You should look up the definition of ghetto sometime.
According to Wikipedia, it's a portion of a city in which members of
a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or
economic pressure - and a minority
On 6/10/09 12:25 PM, Caliban Darklock wrote:
A very real concern that should enter the heads of those who oppose
improper use of Twitter is that there is a very real possibility
that the Twitter team will need to monetize the application, and the
single greatest opportunity to do that comes
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Dossy Shiobarado...@panoptic.com wrote:
It's obviously an incredibly thin line ...
It's the same line you walk as a marketer. On the one hand, you want
to provide value to your followers, so they will keep following you.
On the other, you want to extract value
In briefly checking out Mutuality and Twollo I'm not sure what about them is
abusive. Mutuality says it lets you rapidly modify who you are following to
match who is following you and Twollo auto follows accounts it thinks you
might be interested in. Those are both useful
tools and if used as
Brant,Thank you for your concern. This is something that bothers us as well.
Moving applications exclusively to OAuth-based authentication will certainly
help in restricting applications that abuse the service. If you find a
service that you think is violating our TOS, please email
I think it depends on what measures the site is taking to promote
responsible use of the applications. Both applications could be used for
good, or bad. I can think of one fairly popular site that is all but
endorses spammy behavior and charges users for access to these spammy tools.
I don¹t want
Williams, my point is why would a user need to rapidly remove or add
twitter followers? Mutuality even states that it is not responsible
if your twitter account gets suspended for using their service. The
underlying usage for these services is for abuse.
I ordinarily wouldn't mind but the
I agree with you Justyn. There are probably tons of applications, but
these two were on the top of my head.
If a large amount of users are getting banned for using a particular
service then Twitter should recognize a pattern and give the service
notification of the issue and give them some time
Doug, where is the developer API TOS? I think that's part of the problem -
none of us are being required to enter into an agreement before
developing, therefore we have no idea what we can and can't do with it. I
also don't think most of us even know where any such TOS is, if there is
one. I
The API TOS is currently in development. It is taking longer than hoped as
we are still exploring what we want to give to developers and what we want
to protect as business assets. For now, make sure that you understand the
general TOS we have in place.
We do work with developers if they are
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Brantbtedes...@gmail.com wrote:
Williams, my point is why would a user need to rapidly remove or add
twitter followers?
Turn that around: why should a user be FORBIDDEN to rapidly remove or
add new followers?
What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work
we¹ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be
protected? It¹s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to
reserve functionality that the developer network has built-on and enhanced
in favor
Obviously I can't address the impact since we don't have a document
to deliver. Let me be clear, we are not thinking of taking functionality
from the offering, but we are discussing how open we want to be moving
forward. Most of the talks are around what we want to offer through the
Streaming API
I second that.
2009/6/10 Justyn Howard justyn.how...@gmail.com
What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work
we’ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be
protected? It’s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to
reserve
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