On 4/23/2013 3:00 AM, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Do you realize the operating cost of any international standard
comittee or for the maintenance ans securization of an international
registry ? Who will pay ?
Currently we all are paying by having interminable discussions of
half-baked ideas foisted
On 4/23/2013 2:01 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag wrote:
I'm always suspicious if someone wants to discuss scope of the standard before
demonstrating a compelling case on the merits of wide-spread actual use.
The reason that I want to discuss the
Do you realize the operating cost of any international standard comittee or
for the maintenance ans securization of an international registry ? Who
will pay ? You ? Unless there's a very productive and demonstrate need of
such a registry, using the existing domain name or URI schemes mechanism
will
On Tuesday 23 April 2013, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> There's also noather issue: your proposal now uses identifiers that will be
> resolved in a registry database you are the only one to control.
Not at all. The registry would be controlled by an International Standards
Organization committee.
On 2013/04/23 18:01, William_J_G Overington wrote:
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag wrote:
I'm always suspicious if someone wants to discuss scope of the standard before
demonstrating a compelling case on the merits of wide-spread actual use.
The reason that I want to discuss the sc
There's also noather issue: your proposal now uses identifiers that will be
resolved in a registry database you are the only one to control. There are
other competing registries for storing images, logos, and so on.
Finally your registry does not exist for now, or nobody else than you uses
it. And
On Tuesday 23 April 2013, Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
> Taken together the above sentences mean that he has to face the fact that
> there is no “basis for further discussion of the topic.”
Well I knew and had just put up with the old situation and was researching on
other topics.
I had deposit
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> I'm always suspicious if someone wants to discuss scope of the standard
> before demonstrating a compelling case on the merits of wide-spread actual
> use.
The reason that I want to discuss the scope is because there is uncertainty. If
people
On Monday 22 April 2013, Asmus Freytag wrote:
> I'm afraid that any proposal submitted this way would just become the basis
> for a rejection "with prejudice".
Well, the rules could be changed. I feel that the existing position is not
suitable for the advances in ideas that are taking place
Ruland ?
Lähetetty: 23. huhtikuuta 2013 9:24
Vastaanottaja: unicode@unicode.org
Aihe: Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register Now
Public)
* Asmus Freytag [2013/4/22]:
On 4/22/2013 4:27 AM, Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
[...]
Please submit a formal proposal that can serve
* Asmus Freytag [2013/4/22]:
On 4/22/2013 4:27 AM, Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
[...]
Please submit a formal proposal that can serve as a basis for further
discussion of the topic.
[...]
Mr. Overington is quite aware of what would be the inevitable outcome
of submitting an actual proposal, that'
On Monday 22 April 2013 I wrote:
> This will need first of all a new version of the font so as to have symbols
> for the localizable sentence markup bubble brackets and ten localizable
> digits for use solely within localizable sentence markup bubbles.
After sending that post I made the new v
On 4/22/2013 12:35 PM, Stephan Stiller wrote:
[Charlie Ruland:]
The Unicode Consortium is prepared to encode all characters that can
be shown to be in actual use.
Are you sure there is a precedent for what is essentially markup for a
system of (alpha)numerical IDs?
You don't even have to loo
On 4/22/2013 4:27 AM, Charlie Ruland ☘ wrote:
* William_J_G Overington [2013/4/22]:
[...]
If the scope of Unicode becomes widened in this way, this will provide a basis
upon which those people who so choose may research and develop localizable
sentence technology with the knowledge that such
[Charlie Ruland:]
The Unicode Consortium is prepared to encode all characters that can
be shown to be in actual use.
Are you sure there is a precedent for what is essentially markup for a
system of (alpha)numerical IDs?
Stephan
* William_J_G Overington [2013/4/22]:
[...]
If the scope of Unicode becomes widened in this way, this will provide a basis
upon which those people who so choose may research and develop localizable
sentence technology with the knowledge that such research and development
could, if successful,
On Saturday 20 April 2013, Erkki I Kolehmainen wrote:
> I'm sorry to have to admit that I cannot follow at all your train of thought
> on what would be the practical value of localizable sentences in any of the
> forms that you are contemplating. In my mind, they would not appear to
> broaden
On Apr 21, 2013, at 11:01 AM, Christopher Fynn wrote:
> In India you could have telegrams
> containing such sentences delivered in any of the major Indian
> regional languages.
There is apparently a version of this still in use, seen in the List of
Standard Phrases for Greeting Telegrams at th
In India you could have telegrams
containing such sentences delivered in any of the major Indian
regional languages.
This was a good idea in the days of the low-bandwidth telegraph
And it was a domain-restricted application.
Stephan
William
Your "localizable sentences" idea reminds me of telegraph companies
that used to have a number of common sentences that could be
transmitted in morse code by number. In India you could have telegrams
containing such sentences delivered in any of the major Indian
regional languages.
This
Some better proaches have been used with practical applications, on TRUE
languages supported by ACTIVE communities : it is sign-writing which
represent sign languages which are FAR richer than what is proposed. They
have a true grammar, a true syntax, they are versatile, with good links to
other or
I am wondering whether it would be a good idea for there to be a list of
numbered preset sentences that are an international standard and then if Google
chose to front end Google Translate with precise translations of that list of
sentences made by professional linguists who are native speake
On 2013-04-20 2:38 AM, William_J_G Overington wrote:
I am thinking that the fact that I am not a linguist and that I am implicitly
seeking the precision of mathematics and seeking provenance of a translation is
perhaps the explanation of why I am thinking that localizable sentences is the
way
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> Kopio: unicode@unicode.org; KenWhistler; wjgo_10...@btinternet.com
> Aihe: Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Register
> Now Public)
>
> On Friday 19 April 2013, Whistler, Ken wrote:
>
> > You are aware of Google Translate, for ex
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Puolesta William_J_G Overington
Lähetetty: 20. huhtikuuta 2013 12:39
Vastaanottaja: KenWhistler
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Aihe: Re: Encoding localizable sentences (was: RE: UTC Document Reg
On Friday 19 April 2013, Whistler, Ken wrote:
> You are aware of Google Translate, for example, right?
Yes. I use it from time to time, mostly to translate into English: it is very
helpful.
> If you input sentences such as those in your scenarios or the other examples,
> such as:
> Where
On Friday 19 April 2013, Whistler, Ken wrote:
> It is quite unlikely that such a document would be rejected on procedural
> grounds, just because it was making an argument for a change of scope, rather
> than being a proposal that was already clearly in scope. (I assume that is
> what you a
On 2013年4月19日, at 下午1:52, Stephan Stiller wrote:
> But I'd argue that the distance of the information content of such
> low-quality translations to the information content conveyed by correct and
> polished language is often tolerable. Grammar isn't that important for
> getting one's point ac
Not perfect, perhaps, but perfectly comprehensible. And the application will
even
do a very decent job of text to speech for you.
and
The quality of the
translation for these kinds of applications has rapidly improved in recent years
Not that the ability of MT to deal with long/discontinuou
However, now that I've got your hopes up on procedural grounds...
Getting on to the particulars:
> I do have two particular reasons for asking.
>
> 2. My research.
>
> There is a document entitled locse027_four_simulations.pdf available from
> the following forum post.
>
> http://forum.high-lo
William J.G. Overington asked:
> Suppose that a member of the public sends a document that seeks discussion
> by the Unicode Technical Committee about whether the scope of what
> Unicode encodes should be extended in some particular regard, with the
> member of the public writing about why he or s
On Monday 15 April 2013, announceme...@unicode.org
wrote:
> This change has been made to increase public involvement in the ongoing
> deliberations of the UTC in its work developing and maintaining the Unicode
> Standard and other related standards and reports.
On a point of order.
I refe
Karl Pentzlin asked:
> >> The Unicode Technical Committee (UTC) document register is now freely
> >> available for public access.
>
> Thank you.
> Are the URLs guaranteed to be stable?
The short answer is yes.
--Ken
It will hopefully be useful to include in this thread the following link.
http://www.unicode.org/L2/all-docs.html
William Overington
16 April 2013
Am Dienstag, 16. April 2013 um 00:16 schrieb announceme...@unicode.org:
>> The Unicode Technical Committee (UTC) document register is now freely
>> available for public access.
Thank you.
Are the URLs guaranteed to be stable?
For instance, I started to use references to such documents in the
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