Romaine makes some good points. There is a legitimate concern that the turn
to populism and unpredictability threatens the environment in which
Wikimedia operates, and its only reasonable to consider a move of core
assets somewhere safer from the unspooling of Western social fabric.
Perhaps the
I for one would really, really, really like to see full backup of all data
to servers outside USA, if necessary with anonymized contributors. A first
step would be to store digests for the revisions on alternate servers, and
make it possible to double check the validity of the content. That is, a
The question is: Is it a legitimate issue or a sensationalized mole hill?
Given what I researched I am seeing more of a mole hill. Give it a few
days, odds are there will be clarification and this issue will blow over.
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:42 PM, Nathan wrote:
> On Fri,
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 7:39 PM, John wrote:
> Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to
> Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal
> agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies.
Im not sure you are reading section 14 correctly. It makes reference to
Privacy Act (Privacy Act of 1974) and the privacy policy of the federal
agencies involved in immigration enforcement and law enforcement agencies.
IE the government can freely share information between agencies with
regards to
Hi all,
A number of staff and volunteers have been talking about community health
for some time now, and I think it’s a point most can agree with that
technical improvements alone don’t represent a comprehensive approach to
the problem. While we believe they can substantially help those working
>... there is zero chance that the president will be able to censor
> the private sector.
If you mean the U.S. private sector, you're right. But otherwise, the
U.S. President is allowed to take a whole lot of actions which can
effectively censor non-citizens, and I've got some bad news pertaining
I must say the tone of the initial post to this is alarmingly biased and
almost misleading. Yes the incoming president has placed a hold on
releasing additional material. By no means does that imply that they will
start censoring data that they release or in any way affect the private
sector.
On 27 January 2017 at 03:33, Romaine Wiki wrote:
> But I think it is possible to make sure risks are spread over the world.
> Certainly as we are an international movement that intends to cover the
> knowledge of the whole humanoid civilisation.
> To come to a conclusion,
Anna
I propose to challenge your comments "t’s not even about whose at fault
anymore, because we all are. When I talk to people across the movement,
they're all pretty clear that someone other than themselves is the
responsible party"
There is a difference between fault, responsibility and
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017 at 13:10 Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
> Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of
> four of them are outside U.S.
>
Well technically that isn't all of the data / a backup ;)
>
> Best
>
> On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Database_download#Where_do_I_get_it.3F
Seddon
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:55 AM, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> Hoi,
> No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off
> line backups/
> Thanks,
>
I would not consider the dumps to be backups. They are for purposes of
mirroring, research, analysis, offline reading and bot processing among
other things, but as a backup of our data they fall short. Not only are
they not up to the minute but they do not contain private data, as they are
Anna, you are talking about a decade old problems, which are not yet addressed.
There are two exceptions: (1) Board largely stopped making shame
transfer statements; and (2) For the last couple of years, every
interaction with the staff has given impression to me that I deal with
competent
Anna
Thank you for that. In general an engagement works well when both, or all,
parties have something to bring to the table and something to gain from the
engagement (and certain other factors are in . So for example, in the
field of software planning one might expect that an engagement
On 27 January 2017 at 18:17, Lodewijk wrote:
[snip]
> What I am curious about, is whether there are also efforts ongoing that are
> focused on influencing community behavior in a more preventive manner. I'm
> not sure how that would work out in practice,
[snip]
But
Anna, I am surprised at your pessimism
I see cases over and over again how we "find a way to turn our culture
toward more generative and constructive forms of public discourse"
See how our Armenian friends is doing wonders turning their closest
surrounding into being open in a very tough
Hello,
I'd like to talk beyond this particular instance or these particular
protagonists.
I'd like to talk about culture. We've created a culture that is hard on
people, somewhat punishing of them. We engage in a good deal of public
shaming.
We need to find a way to turn our culture toward more
The sincerity and quality of communication in this thread, and is
deep-linked citations, made me grin in an outrageous week. You are all
wonderful.
On the original subject: Interactives are increasingly satisfying to use;
hats off to those involved. No surprise they inspired this shaded
Fred,
> Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by
> liberal bias.
"Classically" liberal, as in libertarian trickle-down economics, have
been strongly reinforced including recently. Have you seen the cadre
of editors who protect their walled gardens of Mises Institute-sourced
Thanks, Molly. I encouraged people interested in understanding the
different views on the topic as it relates to Wikipedia English (and
perhaps other wikis) to read this discussion.
Sydney
Sydney Poore
User:FloNight
Co-founder Kentucky Wikimedians,
Co-founder WikiWomen User Group,
Co-founder
LopeCosby used to be xx legit before their Soylent Green period. Not
surprised their depressed fans would turn to petty counterfactualism.
//$
On Jan 27, 2017 2:08 PM, "Liam Wyatt" wrote:
> What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic
> bias
Following up, this is the conversation I was remembering:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment/Archive_11
– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 11:59 AM, GorillaWarfare <
gorillawarfarewikipe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Pine,
>
> We quite rarely receive requests to look
What a coincidence! "longstanding, pervasive, counter-factual, systemic
bias towards supply side trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist
economics" was the name of the band I saw last week at the local pub. They
weren't very good though - I liked their earlier stuff.
On Fri, 27 Jan 2017
Asaf,
Thanks for adding the new feature to this awesome tool. I have started
recording and uploading files to Commons using Pronuncify. I will notify
you if I face some issues.
Best regards,
Bodhisattwa
On 27 January 2017 at 14:54, Shani Evenstein wrote:
> Very cool.
>
Whatever the earliest editors did has long been superseded by liberal
bias. (It was nearly impossible to insert even neutral information
about Hillary Clinton into her article) It is important to stay in the
US unless you wish to experience what lack of an enforced
constitutional guarantee of
Does anyone doubt that the English Wikipedia's longstanding,
pervasive, counter-factual, systemic bias towards supply side
trickle-down austerity libertarian objectivist economics due at least
in part to early influence of editors attracted to Jimmy Wales' former
public positions isn't at least
Oh, that's a really good point. For the product analyst job, we're hoping
to hire someone who's already done research on online harassment, and can
help us to learn from other people's approaches.
Your idea for using aggression/harassment scores in admin applications is
really interesting; I
On 27/01/17 16:59, GorillaWarfare wrote:
> Pine,
>
> We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing
> based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on
> them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an
> incredible amount
Thanks Danny for the elaboration.
I don't want to contest the value of this work at all - sorry if that
seemed implied. I think it's an effort that may be quite necessary -
especially in some communities.
The set of tools you're describing to be developed, seem all to be related
to a process
Pine,
We quite rarely receive requests to look into suspicions of paid editing
based on private information. We have historically been reluctant to act on
them for a number of reasons: it's very prone to error, it's often an
incredible amount of work, and we open ourselves up personally to legal
Right on. Your enthusiasm is infectious, Danny. Congratulations to all who
are making this a reality.
/a
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 8:24 AM, Danny Horn wrote:
> The project has four focus areas, and blocking is just one of them. Here's
> the whole picture:
>
> * Detection and
The project has four focus areas, and blocking is just one of them. Here's
the whole picture:
* Detection and prevention: Using machine learning to help flag situations
for admin review -- both text that looks like it's harassing and
aggressive, as well as modeling patterns of user interaction,
Hey Pine,
Thanks for all of the good ideas. I'll reach out to you.
As for the other suggestions, I appreciate them. I do a lot better and
understand a lot more in 1:1 communication, so I'd prefer to interview
people.
/a
On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Pine W wrote:
> Hi
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 1:10 PM, Amir Ladsgroup wrote:
> Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of
> four of them are outside U.S.
No images/files backup outside of US.
--
Milos
___
Wikimedia-l
Yes they are: https://dumps.wikimedia.org/mirrors.html and three out of
four of them are outside U.S.
Best
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:26 PM Gerard Meijssen
wrote:
> Hoi,
> No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off
> line backups/
>
Hoi,
No they are not backed up outside the USA. I am not so sure there are off
line backups/
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 January 2017 at 10:10, Peter Southwood
wrote:
> I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places
> and that the data is
On 27 January 2017 at 09:21, Lodewijk wrote:
...
> Do I understand correctly that this particular initiative will focus on
> fighting harassment, and not necessarily on preventing it? Basically in a
> similar pattern that vandalism is fought on most wikipedia
Very cool.
Thanks for the work & the update!
Shani.
On 27 Jan 2017 05:28, "Asaf Bartov" wrote:
> Hello, everyone.
>
> Following Bodhisattwa's request[1], I have added an upload feature to the
> (command-line) Linux version of this tool, so it can now batch-upload the
>
Hi Johan,
Thanks for the link, very insightful indeed. Glad to see these documents
public
Do I understand correctly that this particular initiative will focus on
fighting harassment, and not necessarily on preventing it? Basically in a
similar pattern that vandalism is fought on most wikipedia
Hello,
First, I am of course very happy about the attention and support from Mr.
Newmark.
But I am wondering about the special focus to "tools"; harassment is a
problem on the social level, not the technical one. Also, after all those
years in which we talk about harassment, I find it difficult
On Fri, Jan 27, 2017 at 3:47 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
> These are all very nice sentiments. But they're phrased in very vague ways.
>
> Is there anywhere we can see the actual concrete plan for the use of these
> funds?
>
> Todd
Hi Todd,
You can take a look at the grant
I hope the servers are backed up outside the USA in at least two places and
that the data is also backed up off-line somewhere to make it unhackable.
Cheers,
Peyer
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