Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins In a message dated 11/13/00 12:15:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was watching fox too. The commercial's end disturbed me a bit: DETROIT TECHNO FORD FOCUS (or whatever) Damn, Kent, why can't you just be glad that Ford is using Juan's music in a MAJOR commercial, and hopefully paying him accordingly ??? That kind of mass recognition is long past due for the Godfather of Techno. And isn't it the POINT that you're gratified by knowing it's Juan's track underneath the commercial and the masses don't ? Would you be more happy if they were using a Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim or Moby track like they do everything else? Dang, let the man have his due, for God's sakes. I also saw this commercial last night and the subsequent list discussion today. It seems to me that Ford was saying two things... An acknowledgement of the forward thinking and innovative aspect related to Detroit Techno - the music AND Ford's own attempt to impress that they're trying to innovate with their offerings (in particular the Focus) with their own Detroit Techno(logy) within the automotive realm. The music isn't doesn't have sole possession of the term Detroit Techno(logy) seeing as cars have been built there for the longest time.. think of it this way too.. Before the electronics and computer companies of Silicon Valley identified that region as a technological center in the US Detroit with its automotive industry was able to say that long before this current age I think they were giving props to both the music and their own products... in some way... I guess I think too much, and hope for the best.. P.S. - I agree with glyph's statement wholeheartedly too.. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- amiga lives! --
Re: (tech-house) moodyman track id
just be thankful for what you've got
Close - Be thankful for what you got by William DeVaughn ('74)
it was his only hit. Massive attack also did a cover of it on
blue lines.
p.s. any Dubliners around... I'll be doing the kitchen with
Kenny Larkin this Friday.
/J.
Re: [313] Two Moody Q's
my copy of analogue is one sided, one track. but it's no white label--the label is printed (not photocopies) and it plays just fine and dandy. james [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/13/2000 06:38:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] Two Moody Q's 1) Um saw a copy of Analog Live today: does everyone else's copy look like this one? The one I saw looked like a one-sided white label with only one track that had label art looking like a pasted on xerox. I'd tell you how it sounded, but the vinyl had all sorts of pockmarks and indentations, causing the stylus to bounce around like a lowrider. I heard the first white label for this had two tracks, so evidently things have changed. Please tell me there are copies out there that play without skipping and I just saw a mispressing. 2) Can anyone tell me the tracklisting on the old Black Sunday 12 that was the promo for Mahogany Brown? Does it have a track exclusive to the album, or is it just Black Sunday? I thought it had an exclusive, but then I heard it was one-sided (which wouldn't surprise me - what the heck is with Kenny and these one-sided records!) Thanks, Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kenny Larkin Live in Detroit
I scanned the flyer. dont say I never gave you guys anything. wwnet.net/~matrix313/kenny.gif sean -- sean deason matrix records p.o. box 343 dearborn, mi 48121-0343 ph/fax: 313.582.3410 cell: 313.522.3550 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] profile: seandeason.metrotimes.com
Re: [313] TIGERBEAT6 tour
Word.. I have an insanely crappily written review of the previous Kid 606 show (with datachi) at http://www.media-mixer.com/articles/2000/10/08/2358240.shtml and some info on the upcoming show in detroit at http://www.media-mixer.com/articles/2000/11/12/2228239.shtml shaun www.media-mixer.com - Original Message - From: blevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: [313] TIGERBEAT6 tour TIGERBEAT6 PAWS ACROSS THE MIDWEST Tour! Tigerbeat6, the upstart electronic/punk/techno/idm/ whatever-the-hell-you-wanna-call-it label/collective run by Kid606 and friends brings you: Kid606 Blectum from Blechdom Cex! Gold Chains For any additional info email us directly at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or: http://www.tigerbeat6.com The shows: 18th Columbus, OH @ fire exit/scale 19th Cleveland, OH @ speak in tongues 20th Detroit, MI @ detroit center for contemporary arts 21st Chicago, IL @ bin/empty bottle __ Details on the Detroit show: Monday, November 20th Contemporary Arts Center, 5141 Rosa Parks in Detroit Presented by Maersk-Music Kid606 Blectum from Blechdom Cex Gold Chains Maersk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
well said, i completely agree On Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:13:12 -0500 JL Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins In a message dated 11/13/00 12:15:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was watching fox too. The commercial's end disturbed me a bit: DETROIT TECHNO FORD FOCUS (or whatever) Damn, Kent, why can't you just be glad that Ford is using Juan's music in a MAJOR commercial, and hopefully paying him accordingly ??? That kind of mass recognition is long past due for the Godfather of Techno. And isn't it the POINT that you're gratified by knowing it's Juan's track underneath the commercial and the masses don't ? Would you be more happy if they were using a Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim or Moby track like they do everything else? Dang, let the man have his due, for God's sakes. I also saw this commercial last night and the subsequent list discussion today. It seems to me that Ford was saying two things... An acknowledgement of the forward thinking and innovative aspect related to Detroit Techno - the music AND Ford's own attempt to impress that they're trying to innovate with their offerings (in particular the Focus) with their own Detroit Techno(logy) within the automotive realm. The music isn't doesn't have sole possession of the term Detroit Techno(logy) seeing as cars have been built there for the longest time.. think of it this way too.. Before the electronics and computer companies of Silicon Valley identified that region as a technological center in the US Detroit with its automotive industry was able to say that long before this current age I think they were giving props to both the music and their own products... in some way... I guess I think too much, and hope for the best.. P.S. - I agree with glyph's statement wholeheartedly too.. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- amiga lives! -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Totally Amazing Search Results - Just C4 Yourself! http://www.C4.com - Total Search Technology
RE: [313] Ford and Atkins
To me this has been an interesting thread. However, it seems to me that the contradictory viewpoints aren't that complicated: 1. Juan Atkins has been underappreciated. Should get paid. 2. Corporate endorsement of a song, artist, or musical style is of questionable merit at best, beyond terms of payment. Question: If someone can explain to me how the connection between the growth of techno and automotive industry in detroit is informative in this case, or how any musical credibility is gained through corporate sponsorship, I would be glad to hear. Not as if Mr Atkins has any issues of musical credibility. ... From: Topping, Micah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Ford and Atkins Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:58:29 -0500 Music is just a design feature of commercials, meant only to serve the manipulation of people to the advertiser's will. In that context, music is in service of capitalist mind control. It's worth more than that to me on it's own terms. actually it sounds to me like your beef is more with commercials than any set style of music being used within them Commercials are meant only to manipulate people to the company's will. thats the whole idea. i guess im one of those ignorant people that doesn't see how ford focus' getting sold will destroy techno. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION
defragged wrote: Focus and Street Edition will feature an image exclaiming Detroit Techno on posters and in print ads. The Street Edition is the third in a series of Focus statement cars built since Focus was launched in the U.S. last year. The Sony Limited Edition Focus and the Kona Mountain Bike Edition were the first two statement cars. Apparently the 'Sony Ltd. Edition' Focus features European styling, 'Jaguar' badges (in place of Ford badges) and is decked out in British racing green. But, I hear the highway performance is disappointing compared to the Detroit Techno/Street Edition. awareness, interest, desire, action, satisfaction ~Askew _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
No Subject
I'm sure this has been covered before, but could someone please provide some info about the major machines used in Detroit techno music production?? the old stuff and new??? thank you, Five
Re: [313] Two Moody Q's
I have a copy that is white label one sided without pock marks, hit www.sonicgroove.com to find out the other tracks on black sunday. todd - Original Message - From: James Bucknell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [313] Two Moody Q's my copy of analogue is one sided, one track. but it's no white label--the label is printed (not photocopies) and it plays just fine and dandy. james [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/13/2000 06:38:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org cc:(bcc: James Bucknell/Magazines/Hearst) Subject: [313] Two Moody Q's 1) Um saw a copy of Analog Live today: does everyone else's copy look like this one? The one I saw looked like a one-sided white label with only one track that had label art looking like a pasted on xerox. I'd tell you how it sounded, but the vinyl had all sorts of pockmarks and indentations, causing the stylus to bounce around like a lowrider. I heard the first white label for this had two tracks, so evidently things have changed. Please tell me there are copies out there that play without skipping and I just saw a mispressing. 2) Can anyone tell me the tracklisting on the old Black Sunday 12 that was the promo for Mahogany Brown? Does it have a track exclusive to the album, or is it just Black Sunday? I thought it had an exclusive, but then I heard it was one-sided (which wouldn't surprise me - what the heck is with Kenny and these one-sided records!) Thanks, Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
commercial use of detroit techno
Thought this might be of some interest... There is a tv commercial that is being aired by Ford for it's Focus model that incorporates the phrase detroit techno into its campaign. I happened to be walking back into the room as the spot was ending but at the very end there's a picture of the car, the words detroit techno, and the Focus logo. The music playing in the backgroung didn't immediatly strike me as being detroit-based, but then again I only managed to hear about 3 seconds of it. Has anyone else seen this? If so, I wouldn't mind hearing about the entire commercial and if there is any real connection between the slogan and the music used in the ad. Personally, it didn't sit well with to see the phrase objectified, but hey, that's advertising. I'm wondering if Ford just happend to link together the words detroit and techno together through some freak coincidence as both words separatley can apply to their product but also without realizing that they might be stepping on the toes of an entire musical community. Any opinions on the use of 313 in the mainstream media? Jaques _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] the commercial use of detroit techno
next time I'll go through my inbox before trying to start a thread... Jaques _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Cranium
I had to miss this, most unfortunately, but I just wanted you all to see how my San Francisco friends have taken up the grand tradition of Detroit industrial zone party-throwing: http://www.verthandi.org/cranium/ phred
Re: [313] commercial use of detroit techno
Have you only just joined this list, or do you usually just hit delete on mesages from this list? Sorry, but the topic is well in motion amongst the dance music intellectuals sucking this bandwidth Peace, R on 14/11/00 5:36 PM, booty beats at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thought this might be of some interest... There is a tv commercial that is being aired by Ford for it's Focus model that incorporates the phrase detroit techno into its campaign. I happened to be walking back into the room as the spot was ending but at the very end there's a picture of the car, the words detroit techno, and the Focus logo. The music playing in the backgroung didn't immediatly strike me as being detroit-based, but then again I only managed to hear about 3 seconds of it. Has anyone else seen this? If so, I wouldn't mind hearing about the entire commercial and if there is any real connection between the slogan and the music used in the ad. Personally, it didn't sit well with to see the phrase objectified, but hey, that's advertising. I'm wondering if Ford just happend to link together the words detroit and techno together through some freak coincidence as both words separatley can apply to their product but also without realizing that they might be stepping on the toes of an entire musical community. Any opinions on the use of 313 in the mainstream media? Jaques _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Distance records web page?
does anyone know if Distance records has a web page? ryan _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
KDJ discography
This weekend i ran into an old KDJ record on Soul City, the label said it was recorded in 1996. Is there someone who knows when he recorded his first record? I tried looking at this KDJ discography page at: http://twoplayer.net/kdj/ but it seems it isn't there anymore. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Distance records web page?
Yes - here it is: http://www.distancemusic.com A few things there for 313 people, too - eg. nice Alton Miller bio. does anyone know if Distance records has a web page?
Re: [313] Re: (tech-house) moodyman track id
Love (Arthur Lee's outfit) also did a very nice cover the hard-to-find
Reel to Real lp. It might be my favorite version.
jeff
John Braine wrote:
just be thankful for what you've got
Close - Be thankful for what you got by William DeVaughn ('74)
it was his only hit. Massive attack also did a cover of it on
blue lines.
--
jeff
10,000 people all screaming the same thing at the same time are wrong,
even if they're right.
dancing/about/architecture ...with wandering steps and slow...
ICQ904008
some information for a newbbie :)
hi,i'm very happy to join this list!i live in italy and,you know,nobody likes detroit techno,there isn't a techno scene in here... so,anyone can tell me any good vinyls to buy?or any cool sites where i can buy them?i love all the detroit labels. thanx... long live the underground! aziza _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] moodyman track id
Hmmm William DeVaughn Be thankful for what you got... that's where the sample comes from I guess... dunno about this tune tho cuz I can't hear streamed audio at college now... (too many fools using chat rooms etc)... --- Paul V [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all I'm looking for a track id from the Kenny Dixon DEMF set on groovetech he played it in his set at approx 29 minutes just be thankful for what you've got s smooth thanks in advance time for a timewarp _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Get organized for the holidays! http://calendar.yahoo.com/
millsplease?
Does anyone have Mills' aol address handy? My inbox was completely erased last week (warning: don't sign up for an account at ny.com unless you don't ever plan to archive mail) and the Axis site is down. Thanks in advance, mary SignUP for your FREE email at http://www.ny.com/.
Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
Amen to that Alan!!! :) LG From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 15:05:10 EST In a message dated 11/13/00 12:15:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was watching fox too. The commercial's end disturbed me a bit: DETROIT TECHNO FORD FOCUS (or whatever) Not to go all Roland Barthes on you but the commercial pretty transparently tries to take the sign 'DETROIT TECHNO' and assign a new meaning to it, namely a FORD Automobile. Most people don't even know what the first meaning of it is, let alone any new one. It was another example as well of a commercial with an 'in' joke. The association of the car with Detroit Techno at the end only works, or works best, if you know that it's a Juan Atkins track. Otherwise, it's just another anonymous dance track. Damn, Kent, why can't you just be glad that Ford is using Juan's music in a MAJOR commercial, and hopefully paying him accordingly ??? That kind of mass recognition is long past due for the Godfather of Techno. And isn't it the POINT that you're gratified by knowing it's Juan's track underneath the commercial and the masses don't ? Would you be more happy if they were using a Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim or Moby track like they do everything else? Dang, let the man have his due, for God's sakes. Alan Oldham via Glyph1001 (couldn't resist, dammit) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
I agree completely with Alan;) It's good to see a major corporation recognizing one of the locals. Ford it seems has had an interest in the Detroit sound for awhile. I think it was last year that Ford hired Derrick May to compose an intro for their new website (unfortunatly Ford has changed the site). I've also spoken with a few of the marketing reps. who have been hanin' out in the local scene. dan
Another DEMF Track ID
I need to know the name of the track that Derrick May is in the middle of during the second part of his DEMF set. Damn thing is wonderful. Thanks in advance, Braden.
Re: [313] commercial use of detroit techno
The music playing in the backgroung didn't immediatly strike me as being detroit-based, but then again I only managed to hear about 3 seconds of it. Yeah I think it was DJ Icey. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
Finally, I saw the commercial spot last night on VH1 and checked the Ford Motor company site today (www.ford.com) checking for two things: a Quicktime video of the commercial (most companies will have this on their pages after airing a new broadcast advert) and some kind of acknowledgement of the track being used (like VW did with Nick Drake's Pink Moon). I found neither. While I thought the tv spot was good and the music editing was very good, I was really disappointed not to see anything about either the music or the ad on Ford's website...did anyone else check their website for these things? On the Focus 247 page there is a catagory for music (it's kind of a lifestyle section to go with the car). What's on it? Friggin' Garth Brooks! Obviously, the commercial doesn't signal a huge revolutionary change in direction for Ford. It's a tv spot that will air for a while then disappear quietly. That's it...then it's back to trainspotting and next gigs here on 313. So I don't think we should get our undies in a bunch and wonder if this means the end of good techno and the corporate mind control machine taking over. For the time we should be happy that Mr. Atkins is gettin' some green. Fred From: JL Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 19:13:12 -0500 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins In a message dated 11/13/00 12:15:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was watching fox too. The commercial's end disturbed me a bit: DETROIT TECHNO FORD FOCUS (or whatever) Damn, Kent, why can't you just be glad that Ford is using Juan's music in a MAJOR commercial, and hopefully paying him accordingly ??? That kind of mass recognition is long past due for the Godfather of Techno. And isn't it the POINT that you're gratified by knowing it's Juan's track underneath the commercial and the masses don't ? Would you be more happy if they were using a Crystal Method or Fatboy Slim or Moby track like they do everything else? Dang, let the man have his due, for God's sakes. I also saw this commercial last night and the subsequent list discussion today. It seems to me that Ford was saying two things... An acknowledgement of the forward thinking and innovative aspect related to Detroit Techno - the music AND Ford's own attempt to impress that they're trying to innovate with their offerings (in particular the Focus) with their own Detroit Techno(logy) within the automotive realm. The music isn't doesn't have sole possession of the term Detroit Techno(logy) seeing as cars have been built there for the longest time.. think of it this way too.. Before the electronics and computer companies of Silicon Valley identified that region as a technological center in the US Detroit with its automotive industry was able to say that long before this current age I think they were giving props to both the music and their own products... in some way... I guess I think too much, and hope for the best.. P.S. - I agree with glyph's statement wholeheartedly too.. Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- amiga lives! -- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial
some people just don't get it Christian Bloch www.mp3.com/bloch Tresor/Simple Music/LL/Funque Droppings/Deep Night Essentials/Set.Go - Original Message - From: paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 6:54 PM Subject: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial thought you may like this - Original Message - From: Scott Findley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:48 PM Subject: (tech-house) ford focus commercial so Im sittin in bed last night firin one up, and a car commercial comes on crappy 'techno', you know, the standard fare.. not a quality commercial by any means.. and the at the end of the commercial (for the lovely ford focus), in big letters DETROIT TECHNO I just about dry heaved. anybody else see this? I think Id be a little less appaled if they had gotten some proper detroit techno for the background :P oh well, most people probablly wont get it anyway _scott findley _robot factory _losangeles CA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED], Utrecht (.nl)
WOOW! Yeah this is properly the best description for the whole night. All he DJ's played brilliant sets. Mr. Hood just did what we all expected but he still blew me away. Amazing how funky minimal techno can be, he definitely is the master of the minimal nation. i really really enjoyed the night myself as well . everybody seemed to be in a perfect party mood, very fine music, beer tasted nice, warm atmosphere for some reason i seemed stuck in the lounge.. ;) which got people dancing as well one of the better parties this year and big props to sander doing this thing !! very curious for the next one WOW is right!! (in case some don't know, I was in Utrecht for Rob Hood, and in Ghent for I love Techno [Jeff Mills, Monika Kruse, Richie Hawtin, Speedy J (live)) So here are some abbreviated reviews: Rob Hood- There were more Detroit Techno shirts at this party then I have seen at most Detroit parties!!! Truly a crowd devoted to Detroit Techno. Major props to the guys in Utrecht for a great night. Zero One did a great job opening, and Rob was really on fire. He did some real neat tricks as well as seamless mixing and had great track selection- which was really liberal for him (even included some John Salway, Ian Void, a Christian Smith track) and of course, loads of good Detroit minimalism. Otto, KJ, Marsel, Roland and all of the crew were there having quite a wonderful time, and my wife and I had a great evening which was topped off by being able to meet Rob and his wife and chat for a few hours (what an incredible personality Rob Hood is.) I Love Techno- Now - I know that the Belgian and Dutch 313 guys were staying away from this as it was a very huge rave but it was really well planned and executed. Among all of the superior performances, the one of the night had to have been Speedy J live. Jocham Paap was really on fire when He opened with a mix of Electric Deluxe that was off the hook. He continued this mix for about 15 min. just changing the Kick drum pattern all crazy. He then dug into a few songs that were semi recent before doing a Plus 8 tour which was capped off with a finale of the ever popular pullover, that was really amazing Also among the best of the night was Monika Kruse (who was apparently sick - but still cranked out a highly respectable and quite energetic set) She started with some crazy vocals by a screwed up guy, and she was messing with all kinds of effects on it and then she dropped in some pretty good tracks including Spastik, ADam Beyer(off of protechtion), and some G-force remixes of her own tracks!! (good stuff!) Justin Berkovi did a pretty cool live show, although he was using only a Roland TR909 and a Yamaha RMX1 with effects and a CD player. Jeff Mills played some really great tracks including (of course) Jaguar, Bells,alarms(first mix), in the bush, l8, black is the number, some Marco Carola 1000 stuff, Gaetek rmx of Mole by Joel Mull, and some other really great tracks, but he was never really in the mills mode, and even had a couple of horrendous train wrecks, one was so bad that he had to backspin out of it after a couple measures. Marco carola had a really impressive set and has imacculate track selection. The party was thrown in a large expo hall with five rooms each being so large as to accomadate at least 5-6 thousand comfortably, and a main hall connecting them all. There were over 30 thousand poeple there, and some of the set-ups were really amazing. Each room had a seperate type of set-up (meaning that the ways in which the stage and lights and tv monitors were set-up was individual to each rooom, and very impressive too.) One room had a large Bridge that you had to walk under after coming in, and then upon turning around you could see the Dj who was performing, another room had super large video camera booms that were being remotely contolled and played in time with the music. Another room had 20 or so monitors stacked to make a big screen that would seperate into seperate screens for cool effects every now and then... and so on. Afterwards, I was able to meet Stanny Frassens (G-Force), and Monika Kruse who are both super cool people and very talented musicians. Thanks to all of the 313ers who helped my wife and I out on our weekend vacation Especially Belgium's own Global Warning - John Osselaer and his g\f Annik who made us really good meals! Thanks guys Cheers! Dennis - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial
On Tue, 14 Nov 2000, paul wrote: uh. oh well, younger people and those who are newer to the scene might just have missed the song. it's like 15 years old (as we all know) that's the 50% of the case. the other 50% is that the guy is joking. thought you may like this anybody else see this? I think Id be a little less appaled if they had gotten some proper detroit techno for the background :P sakke -- working at http://www.teraflops.com/ website at http://www.vip.fi/~sakke/
RE: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial
That's what you get when you don't use a well known detroit techno pioneer like Paul Oakenfold. GYS -Original Message- From: paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 12:55 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial thought you may like this - Original Message - From: Scott Findley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 4:48 PM Subject: (tech-house) ford focus commercial so Im sittin in bed last night firin one up, and a car commercial comes on crappy 'techno', you know, the standard fare.. not a quality commercial by any means.. and the at the end of the commercial (for the lovely ford focus), in big letters DETROIT TECHNO I just about dry heaved. anybody else see this? I think Id be a little less appaled if they had gotten some proper detroit techno for the background :P oh well, most people probablly wont get it anyway _scott findley _robot factory _losangeles CA - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
thoughts on Ford and Detroit...
I have not seen this commercial yet, but I am going to take a stab at it... Usually, the sale of art to major corporations for use in sale techniques is a sure sign for serious trouble within that art community. This is different. Detroit has developed in a unique manner. Detroit has been able to develop in such a way where the artists and all their art remain functioning in its original purist form, no matter what. Commercialism, mainstreamism, and all the various braches of capitalism has reached into the inner circle of Detroit techno, this can not be denied. But the artists have retained their firm stance of our way only, the art has not, nor will it, change in its form. Again, I will reiterate what I believe about the mainstreaming of not only Detroit, but with all electronic art. With an art so stripped down, so raw and ill-defined, so positionless, I believe that it is near impossible to corrupt it through the normal channels in which art usually becomes corrupted. Art is often ruined in the mainstream for it often has a social or political stance which losses its meaning and sincerity. Techno, however, has a social stance that is so broad in its blanket that I feel the only way it (it being its stance) can falter and die is through its social _success_. In other words, the only way techno will fail in its purist views is if all of man suddenly became smug and happy with life, and had no desire to pursue a fantasy or dream to escape to... Back to the commercial. Aside from my opinion above, I also feel that Detroit has become so proud, so united, that even companies like Detroit based Ford feel importance of artists like Juan Atkins, and indeed the significance of Detroit as a whole upon the rest of the social world... And if all the above still doesn't appeal, consider that the mainstream integration is being fueled by the artists themselves, look at DEMF, The Congress, Plus8, the Playstation Tour, the Jaguar, on and on... I *think* that the artists realize that after 15+ years, it is nearly proven that techno will never loose its original shine... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
NEW SG STOCK FOR 11/13/00-wow!
just read the new releases list from sonicgroove, and i must say this one will probably get me running to the recordstore. but before i do that, lets ask the nice people at the 313-list on their opinions on these new tunes. Millsart / Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 2 (another deep detroit techno effort from Mills. again limited quantities on this album with a silver jacket. some tracks sound like reworkings of the first every dog release. recommended.) Axis 2x12 $15.99 Slider / Hook Up Archive12 $9.99 Stefan Robbers / Compound (deep techno with old school style for those familiar with TERRACE releases on DJAX) Ifach 12 $9.99 Tejada Leviste / Where Circles Begin (deep ethereal tech-house) Moods Grooves12 $6.99 Theo Parrish / Smile (deep Moodyman flavoured house tracks) Music Is...12 $9.99 jurren _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] millsplease?
jmills6277 -L On 14 Nov 2000, Mary Cuddehe wrote: Does anyone have Mills' aol address handy? My inbox was completely erased last week (warning: don't sign up for an account at ny.com unless you don't ever plan to archive mail) and the Axis site is down. Thanks in advance, mary SignUP for your FREE email at http://www.ny.com/. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] Ford and Atkins
I may be a bit off here, but I believe that the arguments are different than you have stated. I think the argument is between those that think that the involvement of Detroit techno in corporate business - i.e. commercials - is detrimental to the cause behind the music, and those who beleive that it is okay because 1) Jaun atkins is way beyond due, and 2) The music will survive through its use in commercials. I think this is a no-brainer myself. explanation (which could be way off - mind you.) but nonetheless is still a way to explain the reactions of the people on this list: Ford is trying to sell its cars to us. The young people of around 20, who love music. Ford has seen that music likeness of the next generation is shifting from rock\alternative to electronika based music. Ford being somewhat from Detroit (heck the World headquarters is in Dearborn) has thought that of all the forms of Electronika, Detroit Techno probably would be the best suitible form to gain our (the Gen Y, or whatever they are labeling us now) attention. There have been two reactions to them (Ford) trying to gain our attention. First, there are those that are attracted. This is exactly what they want, to attract us... its normal to like the things that are presented for us to like. That's why Ford is paying Jaun, to attract those that like Jaun. Second, are those that are not attracted. For whatever reason they are not attracted. This is also a natural reaction. Some may say that Jaun is selling out because he is not keeping the music underground (note: I really don't want to start another one of those circumlocuting discussions about what underground is - so please don't respond about it.) As we have all learned, underground is a very subjective term, and some of the people on this list like the music because it is not mainstream and doesn't have the posers on the top level claiming to be something jsut to make money. Others may not like the car company, or the way in which it is presented. So forth and so on My take- I personally have just recently purchased a ZX2 after considering the Focus, but my wife decided that the focus was ugly. If they had started this campaign earlier, Ford would have sold one more Focus... Cheers, Dennis From: .. - [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Ford and Atkins Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 02:44:27 GMT To me this has been an interesting thread. However, it seems to me that the contradictory viewpoints aren't that complicated: 1. Juan Atkins has been underappreciated. Should get paid. 2. Corporate endorsement of a song, artist, or musical style is of questionable merit at best, beyond terms of payment. Question: If someone can explain to me how the connection between the growth of techno and automotive industry in detroit is informative in this case, or how any musical credibility is gained through corporate sponsorship, I would be glad to hear. Not as if Mr Atkins has any issues of musical credibility. ... From: Topping, Micah [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] Ford and Atkins Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 17:58:29 -0500 Music is just a design feature of commercials, meant only to serve the manipulation of people to the advertiser's will. In that context, music is in service of capitalist mind control. It's worth more than that to me on it's own terms. actually it sounds to me like your beef is more with commercials than any set style of music being used within them Commercials are meant only to manipulate people to the company's will. thats the whole idea. i guess im one of those ignorant people that doesn't see how ford focus' getting sold will destroy techno. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] NEW SG STOCK FOR 11/13/00-wow!
Dietrich from sonic groove came through town and played at the local club the other day. i asked him about this part 2 and he said it was really good and it had a chicago house flavor to it. he said he didnt like part one but he loved part 2. personaly i liked part 1. anyway while were one the topic to records i heard the new G-MAN clip on satellite and it sounds real right as TP would say :)anyone else heard it? sounds like it has more of a tech-house feel to it. ryan From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] NEW SG STOCK FOR 11/13/00-wow! Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 20:12:19 GMT just read the new releases list from sonicgroove, and i must say this one will probably get me running to the recordstore. but before i do that, lets ask the nice people at the 313-list on their opinions on these new tunes. Millsart / Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 2 (another deep detroit techno effort from Mills. again limited quantities on this album with a silver jacket. some tracks sound like reworkings of the first every dog release. recommended.) Axis 2x12 $15.99 Slider / Hook Up Archive12 $9.99 Stefan Robbers / Compound (deep techno with old school style for those familiar with TERRACE releases on DJAX) Ifach 12 $9.99 Tejada Leviste / Where Circles Begin (deep ethereal tech-house) Moods Grooves12 $6.99 Theo Parrish / Smile (deep Moodyman flavoured house tracks) Music Is...12 $9.99 jurren _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
Re: [313] NEW SG STOCK FOR 11/13/00-wow!
Tejada Leviste / Where Circles Begin (deep ethereal tech-house) Moods Grooves12 $6.99 i'm a tejada fan so i'm biased, but i love this record! definitely deep enough to be on moods grooves, but tejada nonetheless. he and arian also has a new one on palette that is along the same lines. we've gotten good feedback from the headz on the moods grooves record. my $0.02 ani record time [EMAIL PROTECTED] icq# 33610265 ph 810.775.1550 fax 810.775.5830 - Original Message - From: jurren baars [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 3:12 PM Subject: [313] NEW SG STOCK FOR 11/13/00-wow! just read the new releases list from sonicgroove, and i must say this one will probably get me running to the recordstore. but before i do that, lets ask the nice people at the 313-list on their opinions on these new tunes. Millsart / Every Dog Has Its Day Vol. 2 (another deep detroit techno effort from Mills. again limited quantities on this album with a silver jacket. some tracks sound like reworkings of the first every dog release. recommended.) Axis 2x12 $15.99 Slider / Hook Up Archive12 $9.99 Stefan Robbers / Compound (deep techno with old school style for those familiar with TERRACE releases on DJAX) Ifach 12 $9.99 Tejada Leviste / Where Circles Begin (deep ethereal tech-house) Moods Grooves12 $6.99 Theo Parrish / Smile (deep Moodyman flavoured house tracks) Music Is...12 $9.99 jurren _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [mw] FW: [313] Fw: (tech-house) ford focus commercial
Honestly I have VERY little knowledge of that period/genre. Ive been spinning/producing for less than 5 years so that stuff significantly pre-dates me, and in all honesty, I'm not a big fan of early techno to begin with, In defense of early techno... I am not a big fan of Karl Marx, John Stewart Mill, the Bible, LSD culture, and they all certainly pre-date me... But I can tell you all about them and the impact that they all had... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com
RE: [313] commercial use of detroit techno
in the ultimate irony, i have actually seen icey spin No UFO's at a small bar in Richmond VA...i was one of 2 people there that had heard that song before. -Original Message- From: Hugh G. Blaze [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2000 10:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] commercial use of detroit techno The music playing in the backgroung didn't immediatly strike me as being detroit-based, but then again I only managed to hear about 3 seconds of it. Yeah I think it was DJ Icey. _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] thoughts on Ford and Detroit...
Aside of all the techno-elitism that this thread seems to be eliciting...nothing personal to any of its contributors...please recall that the single most IMPORTANT invention of the recently past century according to all the historians, anthropologists, sociologists, etc. was MASS PRODUCTION...the birth child of another Detroit Innovator, namely Henry Ford, an early tech-head. Our city has an amazingly unique history of changing the worldin ways that many, many others have noted. Think of this. In spite of the advertising communities perspective and treatment of any such art, where would Juan's, Kevin's and countless other artists music be were it not for the industrialism and strange machine rhythms it elicits?? Y'all need to go get high...hang out in the Diego Rivera room of the DIA and then rejoin this thread. Logavo From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [313] thoughts on Ford and Detroit... Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 14:50:46 -0800 I have not seen this commercial yet, but I am going to take a stab at it... Usually, the sale of art to major corporations for use in sale techniques is a sure sign for serious trouble within that art community. This is different. Detroit has developed in a unique manner. Detroit has been able to develop in such a way where the artists and all their art remain functioning in its original purist form, no matter what. Commercialism, mainstreamism, and all the various braches of capitalism has reached into the inner circle of Detroit techno, this can not be denied. But the artists have retained their firm stance of our way only, the art has not, nor will it, change in its form. Again, I will reiterate what I believe about the mainstreaming of not only Detroit, but with all electronic art. With an art so stripped down, so raw and ill-defined, so positionless, I believe that it is near impossible to corrupt it through the normal channels in which art usually becomes corrupted. Art is often ruined in the mainstream for it often has a social or political stance which losses its meaning and sincerity. Techno, however, has a social stance that is so broad in its blanket that I feel the only way it (it being its stance) can falter and die is through its social _success_. In other words, the only way techno will fail in its purist views is if all of man suddenly became smug and happy with life, and had no desire to pursue a fantasy or dream to escape to... Back to the commercial. Aside from my opinion above, I also feel that Detroit has become so proud, so united, that even companies like Detroit based Ford feel importance of artists like Juan Atkins, and indeed the significance of Detroit as a whole upon the rest of the social world... And if all the above still doesn't appeal, consider that the mainstream integration is being fueled by the artists themselves, look at DEMF, The Congress, Plus8, the Playstation Tour, the Jaguar, on and on... I *think* that the artists realize that after 15+ years, it is nearly proven that techno will never loose its original shine... darw_n create, demonstrate, toneshift... http://www.mp3.com/stations/clevelandunderground http://www.mp3.com/darw_n http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html http://www.mannequinodd.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
RE: [313] Ford and Atkins
Personally, I think that the music is more Audi TT than Ford Focus... Don't make this a side thread please. Fred So forth and so on My take- I personally have just recently purchased a ZX2 after considering the Focus, but my wife decided that the focus was ugly. If they had started this campaign earlier, Ford would have sold one more Focus... Cheers, Dennis _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.
