RE: [313] the most amazing website

2001-03-06 Thread Holly MacDonald-Korth
former 313-er shapeshifter, aka malcolm goodman does the sound for these
unbelieveable works of art. i believe he has been doing the music since
somewhere around june or july of last year. (the numbers at the bottom of
the page correspond to months of the year)

incredible. incredible. incredible.

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http://www.once-upon-a-forest.com/

it's just graphics in Flash with looped music but my god it is beautiful. If

you love Basic Channel/Monolake/Vladislav Delay etc. then you MUST see this!
I have no idea what it's for except showing the talent of the web 
designer... which it does. It is far one of the best (if not the best) 
designed website I've ever seen. _Wow_ is all I can say.

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the most amazing website

2001-03-06 Thread M Elliot-Knight

http://www.once-upon-a-forest.com/

it's just graphics in Flash with looped music but my god it is beautiful. If 
you love Basic Channel/Monolake/Vladislav Delay etc. then you MUST see this!
I have no idea what it's for except showing the talent of the web 
designer... which it does. It is far one of the best (if not the best) 
designed website I've ever seen. _Wow_ is all I can say.


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Re: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread Kieran
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, [iso-8859-1] Mark Hughes wrote:

] I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
] want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
] money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
] could give me.

Access Virus Kb

www.access-music.de

The best VA synth available (more unique sounds than Novation Supernova Kb2)
IMHO.

cya,
Kieran



Re: [313] nu era, dego, etc.

2001-03-06 Thread Matt MacQueen

> > And
> > I guess you can say Titonton sounds like he got some
> > of his influences from nu era and dego and marc
> > (4hero).
> 
> He did... Titonton was on The Deepest Shade of Techno
> Vol 2. on 4Hero's Reflective label. NuEra did a thing
> on Trace Elements 3 on 21/22 (label linked to
> Ele_mental, Titonton, Archetype/Monochrome and Todd
> Sines are/were all Ele_mentals).

Sorry I'm late on this thread, but have to mention there is a 4Hero
remix of one of Titonton's tracks on 
his (I think second?) record for Metamorphic, the Endorphin EP (this was
not the orange label one, which was the Embryonic EP).  

Also speaking of the Deepest Shade of Techno vol. 2, I think that is the
one with the Claude Young track "the woodwork" on it, which in my
opinion is one of his finest tracks ever.  And the Art Forest track on
there "Flow" (96 edit) is classic too. 

And to bring it back to present day, (speaking of Dego remixes) there is
an amazing remix by him on the Joakim Lone Octet: Tiger Sushi remixes
12" (on the French 'Future Talk' imprint, [sublabel of Versatile I
guess?]).  ALso has a great Alex Attias (aka.- Catalyst, Mustang) remix
...  I think there was more than 1 slab of remixes of JLO, some better
than others.  

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Song ID

2001-03-06 Thread Joel Fernandez
Greetings,

For those that downloaded the Green Velvet Live @ Tonic Nightclub mix from
Napster.  I need someone to ID the song at the 20 minute mark from the third
part of the recording.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks in
advance.

Ciao,

Joel Fernandez



Reminder: TECHNO RADIO 006 Tonight!

2001-03-06 Thread MonsieurBob
Short and simple:

We have 3 hours of electronica for you tonight.

1st hour: Water Polo Jason will be droppin some vinyl and mp3s, expect some 
trance.

2nd hour: The extremely beautiful DJ Hoe hailing from WashU will be coming in 
to play.  She will be playing some hard house, uk style, nu-nrg, and stuff that 
will just make you dance.

3rd hour: Bob will be playing some techno.  Only 3 artists, who we think 
deserve the exposure and attention.  Check out the recordings of Mike 
Parker(Geophone), The Punisher(Seismic), and Max Duley(Arcane).  Don't miss 
this stunning set.  

We encourage you to tune in on the internet @ 
http://kwur.wustl.edu/technoradio, or via the airwaves at 90.3 fm in St. Louis. 
 See the kwur homepage for the appropriate streaming audio links.

Check out the web site.

Nuff Said,

TECHNO RADIO
http://kwur.wustl.edu/technoradio


Re: [313] kim rapatti

2001-03-06 Thread Glyph1001
Uh...Kim also did a 12" under the name Mono Junk on Trope Records.  Its on 
white colored vinyl with red letters on it, I believe.  Anyway, that's a good 
one if you ever see it.  Nice...very nice.

I second on not recommending "gloom" turns out I have it on cd...ugh...what a 
waste of my $16.99.

Peace,

g.


advent, dj rush discography

2001-03-06 Thread Michael Kim

hi, can someone point out to me a discography of the Advent and DJ Rush?

thanks,
Mike
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RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread .: Caltrop :.

yep, true dat.
i post as manta ;)



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Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:18:28 -0500

I'm on www.the-gas-station.com . I post as Subject28, it's a good place to
get your questions answered.




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Subject:  RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards


for references go to

www.sonicstate.com (the-gas-station discussion is prettty helpful,too)
www.harmony-central.com



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Re: [313] kim rapatti

2001-03-06 Thread Mike Taylor

Hello,

I would recommend avoiding "gloom" which was a full length that he put out 
on Dum in 96. I would try before you buy with Kimmo Rapatti, he has put out 
some great records(like the ones listed below,) but he has put out some real 
duds as well.


What I would give my right arm for would be a complete collection of early 
Sahko records...Kimmo is good, but Mika Vanio's early techno output was much 
better.


Take care,
Mike Taylor


From: "Todd Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "313@Hyperreal.Org" <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: [313] kim rapatti
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 16:04:31 -0800

Detroit Diesel on i220 (2 records Meteor and Metal)
Kim Rapatti Mood EP: Plug Research

anyone have any old trope records they wish to sell off, I'll pay well, or
trade.

Cheers
todd
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Subject: [313] kim rapatti


> can anyone recommend good kim rapatti records
>
> they've heard (specifically ones not on his
>
> own DUM label).
>
> thanks!
>
> steve
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Re: [313] kim rapatti

2001-03-06 Thread Todd Smith
Detroit Diesel on i220 (2 records Meteor and Metal)
Kim Rapatti Mood EP: Plug Research

anyone have any old trope records they wish to sell off, I'll pay well, or
trade.

Cheers
todd
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Subject: [313] kim rapatti


> can anyone recommend good kim rapatti records
>
> they've heard (specifically ones not on his
>
> own DUM label).
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Re: [313] kim rapatti

2001-03-06 Thread William VanLoo
Sure:

Kim Rapatti "Moods EP" on Plug Research. I played it a few weeks back on
the Mechanical Pulse after not listening to it for quite a while, and
it's still fresh as ever.

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> 
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kim rapatti

2001-03-06 Thread steve teeri
can anyone recommend good kim rapatti records

they've heard (specifically ones not on his

own DUM label).

thanks!

steve

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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread TekkgirIie
wasn't there someone on this list who was getting 313 hoodies made?  
I recall emailing him/her and ordering one, but never heard anything back.

In a message dated 3/6/01 12:23:59 PM US Eastern Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I know there was a small discussion a few weeks ago about getting a 313 
shirt done for DEMF. I'd be interested in making this happen if there was 
enough support from the list to get a good order together. We could obviously 
have an open competition to pick a design (entries could be posted on the 
net) This would have to happen somewhat soon though so as to avoid any rush 
charges tagged on by the printer. I'm in NYC and there are a lot of folks 
that could do the shirts for a good price.
 
 I'd like to find out though if this is something worth doing especially 
since we have a bit of time to work with before the end of May. Email me back 
privately and let me know so as not to swamp the list. I'll post again in a 
few days to let you know what the response has been.
 
 dave p  (yes it's still snowing here!) >>


Re: [313] t-shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Dennis Donohue

Second!




From: Kyle J Dupuy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] t-shirts
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 14:53:09 -0500 (EST)


i hereby nominate dave p of NYC as executive chair of the 313 t-shirts
committee.

[k]





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DJ Ben WU - Drum Damage

2001-03-06 Thread dj revolver
Once again it'll be a special Wednesday night from 2359 to 0200 at CJAM 91.5 
(windsor/detroit). This week's show will be featuring the tribal sounds of 
DJ Ben Wu's latest mixes "Drum Damage" 1 and 2 as I continue to profile 
young, next generation DJs and producers from the Windsor,Detroit and 
Toronto regions.  DJ Ben Wu's sounds and skills are are top notch and he'll 
take you on rides through techno, house, electro and more so tune in or log 
on and listen to the live web feed at www.uwindsor.ca/cjam/live



More on DJ Ben WU:

He wasn't born into a family of musicians, didn't go to a school of art and 
he didn't purchase his first pair of turntables at the tender age of 
thirteen.  So what does Detroit's dj Ben Wu have going for him? Put plain 
and simple: An unwavering passion for electronic music.


In early '95, while attending college, a friend let Ben borrow Fuse's 
(Richie Hawtin) "Dimension Intrusion" and this same friend later brought him 
to his first party where Richie was playing. These two events in Ben's life 
were major turning points and how the seeds of Techno were planted.  It was 
Detroit's early rave scene where the passion was then cultivated and has 
since grown to a near obsession for all beats hard and funky.


Over the past two years, Ben has proven to be one of Detroit's hottest up 
and coming DJs. He has played everything from large raves, to clubs, to the 
occasional house party. No matter what the size, Ben has always attempted to 
convey his passion to the crowd through his music. Among some of his 
accomplishments are winning a DJ spin-off at the now defunct clubnight 
"Solar", which was run by the Intuit-Solar label and was host to many 
national/international acts. He also held a Saturday residency at Detroit 
Science during the summer of 2000 and has opened up for the likes of Richard 
"Humpty" Vision and Danny Tha Wildchild, to name a few.


Ben's style is to keep variety in his sets, while remaining true to the 
beat. His sets are hard to define. Tribal House? Tech-House? Breakbeat 
House? However you choose to categorize it, one thing remains true…it will 
make you move.


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T-shirt update

2001-03-06 Thread d . pinter
I have found the site with last years submissions, sorry I was not on the list 
at the time that took place. Thanks to all those who forwarded information so 
far. Some of the submissions from that first round are year specific, which 
makes me think that maybe we should allow some time for those to be resubmitted 
and new entries as well. I also think that the way those designs should be 
presented should be anonymous. Maybe an A,B,C kind of thing. This makes it fair 
for everyone who submitted( or makes it harder for list members for canvas for 
votes) I'm also of the mind to keep it simple with shirts. 313 is not the 
largest community out there and I'd like everyone who orders to be happy with 
the final product. I'd like it to be an affordable thing and running two 
sweatshirts here and three long sleeve shirts there will not be cheap. (I'm not 
doing this for the money by the way)

T-shirts are pretty flexible and I think a good first step. Maybe 2002 will be 
something else. I'd like to get a plan together as to how we make this a 
reality and will post that this week. Anyone who has further information or 
contacts that they would like to pass along should feel free.

thanks again to those who replyed so far

dave p


future sound rec

2001-03-06 Thread armin holzgethan
hi
could someone please provide me with the tracklisting of that future
sound comp released on rephlex some years ago.
thanks
armin





t-shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Kyle J Dupuy

i hereby nominate dave p of NYC as executive chair of the 313 t-shirts
committee.  

[k]






Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Kyle J Dupuy

sounds good!

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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread mkb

We've done the competition thing alreadyhalf of it anyway.  There is a
website up (hopefully STILL), and designs have already been submitted.
All we have to do is either vote...or simply allow people to pick which
one they want


I could whip up a voting mechanism real quick. I'm new by the way. Hi! :)
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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread diana potts

I like the tshirt idea cuz you get em small. for small
people..like me. and when its cold just put a long
sleeve under it.

d

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> to try and sway people :), I would most definitely
> be
> more interested in contributing to the making of
> hoodies over t-shirts...
> 
> josh23
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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread joshtwentythree
to try and sway people :), I would most definitely be
more interested in contributing to the making of
hoodies over t-shirts...

josh23
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> What ever happened to the idea of making hooded
> sweatshirts? I liked that
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minimal request

2001-03-06 Thread Alex Araya
After finally cleaning my car and finding numerous old mix tapes under the 
seats (along with pens, french fries, and other interesting artifacts), I 
ran across one tape that Israel Vines sent me a few years back where he 
featured mostly minimal techno.  Because of it, I have been on this Rob Hood 
kick since then and would like to familiarize myself with different 
approaches taken by DJ’s on 313 on his work. My request: please e-mail me 
privately if some of your recorded sets focus on Hood’s work – I would like 
to get a copy of it.   Best regards.


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Re: [313] Fwd: crossover potential?

2001-03-06 Thread diana potts
nice article. thanks nancy!

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Re: [313] Fwd: crossover potential?

2001-03-06 Thread Mike Taylor

Will they cover O' Fortuna by Apothesis?





From: nancy mitchell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Fwd: crossover potential?
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 10:42:13 -0800 (PST)


thought some people on this list would find this
article I got from another list interesting:


http://www.arizonarepublic.com/ae/articles/0304crossover04.html

techno& classical music?


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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Scotto
What ever happened to the idea of making hooded sweatshirts? I liked that
one t-shirts are cool though to.


> We've done the competition thing alreadyhalf of it anyway.  There is a
> website up (hopefully STILL), and designs have already been submitted.
> All we have to do is either vote...or simply allow people to pick which
> one they want
>
whats the addy to this site??

ps. I'll take one

Scott Laakso   ---
---   i majin
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RE: [313] Fwd: crossover potential?

2001-03-06 Thread Holly MacDonald-Korth
There was an article about this in March's Wired, too. interesting

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Subject: [313] Fwd: crossover potential?



thought some people on this list would find this
article I got from another list interesting:


http://www.arizonarepublic.com/ae/articles/0304crossover04.html

techno& classical music?


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New Scan 7 12"

2001-03-06 Thread Arne Weinberg
Hello everybody...

Has anybody heard the new Scan 7 12" on Elypsia? I bought it today and it´s 
really cool. The track "I am from Detroit" seems to be dedicated to the DEMF 
says the sleeve print! Any comments?

Bye, Arne

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Re: [313] Domingo Yu

2001-03-06 Thread hans kaufmann
Domingo is the man.  He used to be a DJ in the Hip hop scene in Ann Arbor
under the name Chino. He met up with some of the guys from UR and has been
getting his techno style on.   He's on Urban Slang with Mark Flash and DJ
Marquis.  Definitely a sweet combination of styles mixing the hi-tech funk
and house  with hip-hop, Ritmo Latino, etc, etc.  Definitely an up and comer
with big time potential ala' Rolando.  Everything else I could tell you is
top secret.
Anyone interested in booking him or finding out more can get ahold of me in
Private
Hans

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620 Baker #5
San Francisco, CA 94117
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>  Does anyone have info on this guy? I know I've seen his name up here
before. 
>  I caught him in Chicago last weekend and he was off the hook. He was all 
>  over the place, but it worked. Red Planet, Mos Def, Celia Cruz, etc. Real

>  nice mix. I didn't get a chance to talk with him, but I know he's from 
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Fwd: crossover potential?

2001-03-06 Thread nancy mitchell

thought some people on this list would find this
article I got from another list interesting:


http://www.arizonarepublic.com/ae/articles/0304crossover04.html

techno& classical music?


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Domingo Yu

2001-03-06 Thread T Thompson
Does anyone have info on this guy? I know I've seen his name up here before. 
I caught him in Chicago last weekend and he was off the hook. He was all 
over the place, but it worked. Red Planet, Mos Def, Celia Cruz, etc. Real 
nice mix. I didn't get a chance to talk with him, but I know he's from 
Detroit.

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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Peter Leidy
heres the designs that never happened. i think the guy that was organizing
it didnt have the spare time to make it happen. anyhow, have a look and
maybe someone else will be inspired to tally votes and make shirt happen:

http://www.objektsynth.com/313/

-p

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Greg Malcolm wrote:

> 
> hey count me in to buy at least two or three...this was supposed to happen 
> last year too?
> 
> GM
> 
> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >Subject: [313] 313 T-Shirts
> >Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:46:38 -0500
> >
> >I know there was a small discussion a few weeks ago about getting a 313 
> >shirt done for DEMF. I'd be interested in making this happen if there was 
> >enough support from the list to get a good order together. We could 
> >obviously have an open competition to pick a design (entries could be 
> >posted on the net) This would have to happen somewhat soon though so as to 
> >avoid any rush charges tagged on by the printer. I'm in NYC and there are a 
> >lot of folks that could do the shirts for a good price.
> >
> >I'd like to find out though if this is something worth doing especially 
> >since we have a bit of time to work with before the end of May. Email me 
> >back privately and let me know so as not to swamp the list. I'll post again 
> >in a few days to let you know what the response has been.
> >
> >dave p  (yes it's still snowing here!)
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Reviews

2001-03-06 Thread Jonny McIntosh
If at first you swear in a fruitlessly archaic way to avoid the filters,
then bin, bin and replace with "blasted"... sorry if it does make it in the
meantime.

> I did a brief record shop yesterday with another flying visit to Rough
Trade
> this afternoon. Here, in two categories, are the results:
>
> What I did buy:
>
> Blaze - Natural Blaze LP - Lifeline
> The album from which the excellent "Elevations" single was taken, "Natural
> Blaze" seems to be a vehicle for the vocalist Jon Toney, and is a superb
> double pack confirming Blaze's status as true dons of the NY soulful
garage
> sound. The sort of music that David Mancuso's sound system was designed to
> play. A lot of it is very familiar: "Elevations" is surely just based on
> "The World Is The Ghetto", and there's another one that's a version of
their
> "Directions" track for Spiritual Life. Blaze almost single handedly keep
me
> interested in the kind of music being made for Body & Soul etc. for the
> simple reason that they blatantly have a lot of soul.
>
> Strand - Message 1
> Frictional is, alongside Sound Signature, one of the only labels I'll buy
on
> sight just now, and this release keeps the standard flying. Deep, soulful,
> and above all, original without sounding like a wide student. There
> might be a pressing fault - there's some serious noise at the end of the
> second side of my copy. In any case, if this was on Planet E a lot more
> would be said about it, which is a shame.
>
> Natural Electronics - Assimilated
> 2nd of two stunning releases on Frictional. Shakir has a knack of
producing
> really experimental stuff yet it always sounds extremely honest, even when
> it isn't particularly dance floor friendly. I thought his remix of Inner
> City was a bit below par, but this is true to previous form. Shake really
> deserves a bit more recognition, now - he's been at it for years and, on
> evidence like this, he could rival the likes of Carl Craig for reputation.
>
> Moodymann - NMY Wagon
> I'm waiting for a vague feeling that KDJ is beginning to tire for me, but
it
> never materialises. Deep, soulful, funny and with a kick drum that
> overpowers the USG remix of Urban Soul's "My Urban Soul" - which is a
shame,
> because last night's mix tape was going really well 'til then.
>
> Infesticons - Gun Hill Road LP
> Mike Ladd's production sounds really thin on some of this, and all in all
> it's a hit and miss album. Might be a grower, but not my preferred
candidate
> for the "experimental hip hop album" thread. Certainly has it's moments,
> though, particularly Rob Smith's "Chase Theme". The Saul Williams track is
a
> let down, the P-Funk type of concept is too obvious and ill though out
and, as
> said, the Liquid Liquid styled production sounds, at times, extremely
> insipid. I bought it on sight, stupidly.
>
> Inner City vs E Dancer - Good Love
> I picked this up from work, as I suspected I'd love it. I wish I could,
but
> I don't. Shake's mix is OK, but I was expecting a lot more. As for the
other
> mixes, the main mix on its own (I forget which one's which remix) is the
> better, but the fusion of old school Inner City with new school E Dancer
> doesn't quite pull off what is, in essence, a superb idea. I'm undecided
> whether to return it to get the vouchers back, or file it away as part of
an
> ongoing tribute to flawed visions.
>
> What I didn't buy:
>
> Latest Charles Webster - Peacefrog
> Top notch remixes of the old Love From San Francisco "Want Me Like Water"
> track. I should have bought this instead of that Infesticons LP, fer sure.
>
> Remixes of the above remixes - Peacefrog
> Less essential than the original remixes (excuse the oxymoron), especially
> as it's only 4 mixes spread over a doublepack and I'm a tight Scot.
Herbert
> mix sounds good, though, so I'll keep an eye out for it coming in to work.
> The others are less impressive, though the Abacus one's alright - even if
> his old, talking female voice trick is a bit predictable.
>
> Ian Pooley on Transmat
> Bizarrely impressive, for a man who's released some real cack of late
(with
> exceptions). Again, I'll try to pick it up at work. If I didn't buy that
> blasted Infesticons LP I'd have got this and the original remixes above.
>
> Saul Williams LP
> Excrutiatingly bad at points. Damn impressive at others (particularly the
> opener). Bad outweighed good, though.
>
> Carl Hancock Rux - Lamentations
> Nobody has it. Though absolutely every shop said they were ordering in
> thousands of copies. By the time I get paid again it'll have sold out, no
> doubt.
>
> Jonny.




Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Greg Malcolm


hey count me in to buy at least two or three...this was supposed to happen 
last year too?


GM


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] 313 T-Shirts
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2001 11:46:38 -0500

I know there was a small discussion a few weeks ago about getting a 313 
shirt done for DEMF. I'd be interested in making this happen if there was 
enough support from the list to get a good order together. We could 
obviously have an open competition to pick a design (entries could be 
posted on the net) This would have to happen somewhat soon though so as to 
avoid any rush charges tagged on by the printer. I'm in NYC and there are a 
lot of folks that could do the shirts for a good price.


I'd like to find out though if this is something worth doing especially 
since we have a bit of time to work with before the end of May. Email me 
back privately and let me know so as not to swamp the list. I'll post again 
in a few days to let you know what the response has been.


dave p  (yes it's still snowing here!)


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Re: [313] 313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread Lester Kenyatta Spence
On Tue, 6 Mar 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I know there was a small discussion a few weeks ago about getting a
> 313 shirt done for DEMF. I'd be interested in making this happen if
> there was enough support from the list to get a good order together.
> We could obviously have an open competition to pick a design (entries
> could be posted on the net) This would have to happen somewhat soon
> though so as to avoid any rush charges tagged on by the printer. I'm
> in NYC and there are a lot of folks that could do the shirts for a
> good price.

We've done the competition thing alreadyhalf of it anyway.  There is a
website up (hopefully STILL), and designs have already been submitted.
All we have to do is either vote...or simply allow people to pick which
one they want


peace
lks



Reviews

2001-03-06 Thread Jonny McIntosh
I did a brief record shop yesterday with another flying visit to Rough Trade
this afternoon. Here, in two categories, are the results:

What I did buy:

Blaze - Natural Blaze LP - Lifeline
The album from which the excellent "Elevations" single was taken, "Natural
Blaze" seems to be a vehicle for the vocalist Jon Toney, and is a superb
double pack confirming Blaze's status as true dons of the NY soulful garage
sound. The sort of music that David Mancuso's sound system was designed to
play. A lot of it is very familiar: "Elevations" is surely just based on
"The World Is The Ghetto", and there's another one that's a version of their
"Directions" track for Spiritual Life. Blaze almost single handedly keep me
interested in the kind of music being made for Body & Soul etc. for the
simple reason that they blatantly have a lot of soul.

Strand - Message 1
Frictional is, alongside Sound Signature, one of the only labels I'll buy on
sight just now, and this release keeps the standard flying. Deep, soulful,
and above all, original without sounding like a wide ass student. There
might be a pressing fault - there's some serious noise at the end of the
second side of my copy. In any case, if this was on Planet E a lot more
would be said about it, which is a shame.

Natural Electronics - Assimilated
2nd of two stunning releases on Frictional. Shakir has a knack of producing
really experimental stuff yet it always sounds extremely honest, even when
it isn't particularly dance floor friendly. I thought his remix of Inner
City was a bit below par, but this is true to previous form. Shake really
deserves a bit more recognition, now - he's been at it for years and, on
evidence like this, he could rival the likes of Carl Craig for reputation.

Moodymann - NMY Wagon
I'm waiting for a vague feeling that KDJ is beginning to tire for me, but it
never materialises. Deep, soulful, funny and with a kick drum that
overpowers the USG remix of Urban Soul's "My Urban Soul" - which is a shame,
because last night's mix tape was going really well 'til then.

Infesticons - Gun Hill Road LP
Mike Ladd's production sounds really thin on some of this, and all in all
it's a hit and miss album. Might be a grower, but not my preferred candidate
for the "experimental hip hop album" thread. Certainly has it's moments,
though, particularly Rob Smith's "Chase Theme". The Saul Williams track is a
let down, the P-Funk type of concept is too obvious and half assed and, as
said, the Liquid Liquid styled production sounds, at times, extremely
insipid. I bought it on sight, stupidly.

Inner City vs E Dancer - Good Love
I picked this up from work, as I suspected I'd love it. I wish I could, but
I don't. Shake's mix is OK, but I was expecting a lot more. As for the other
mixes, the main mix on its own (I forget which one's which remix) is the
better, but the fusion of old school Inner City with new school E Dancer
doesn't quite pull off what is, in essence, a superb idea. I'm undecided
whether to return it to get the vouchers back, or file it away as part of an
ongoing tribute to flawed visions.

What I didn't buy:

Latest Charles Webster - Peacefrog
Top notch remixes of the old Love From San Francisco "Want Me Like Water"
track. I should have bought this instead of that Infesticons LP, fer sure.

Remixes of the above remixes - Peacefrog
Less essential than the original remixes (excuse the oxymoron), especially
as it's only 4 mixes spread over a doublepack and I'm a tight Scot. Herbert
mix sounds good, though, so I'll keep an eye out for it coming in to work.
The others are less impressive, though the Abacus one's alright - even if
his old, talking female voice trick is a bit predictable.

Ian Pooley on Transmat
Bizarrely impressive, for a man who's released some real cack of late (with
exceptions). Again, I'll try to pick it up at work. If I didn't buy that
damned Infesticons LP I'd have got this and the original remixes above.

Saul Williams LP
Excrutiatingly bad at points. Damn impressive at others (particularly the
opener). Bad outweighed good, though.

Carl Hancock Rux - Lamentations
Nobody has it. Though absolutely every shop said they were ordering in
thousands of copies. By the time I get paid again it'll have sold out, no
doubt.

Jonny.




new kraftwerk

2001-03-06 Thread Romain Cousin

from : side-line newsletter

[01 March 2001]
Exclusive: Kraftwerk to release new album in June
The belgian EMI office confirmed us this afternoon that EMI is to release
a brand new album by Kraftwerk in June. The release has no title yet, but
we'll keep you informed on the matter. There's no news either whether
there will be a single release as well. Meanwhile you can listen to a
special with lots of  unrelesed live material by following the link below.

- Download  Kraftwerk special -
http://audio.wmnf.org/ram/kraftwerk.ram



Re: [313] "Aerodynamic"

2001-03-06 Thread Cyclone Wehner
The whole damn album is off the hook, I can assure you! It's much better
than Homework (more diverse) and One More Time is atypical. The point of One
More Time was to bridge albums and it was meant to be more celebratory than
innovative, so M Bangalter says. It sounds like they had fun making it and
there really isn't a bad track on there. One More Time starts the album and
it sounds great in context. It's one of the most credible big name/major
label dance albums I have heard.

>Has anyone heard the new Daft Punk single "Aerodynamic"? It's such a funky
>track! I'm just glad that it's not like "One More Time" - I was starting to
>worry! : o
> The album gets released in the U.K on Monday so I can safely say there's at
>least one good reason to go out and buy it!


313 T-Shirts

2001-03-06 Thread d . pinter
I know there was a small discussion a few weeks ago about getting a 313 shirt 
done for DEMF. I'd be interested in making this happen if there was enough 
support from the list to get a good order together. We could obviously have an 
open competition to pick a design (entries could be posted on the net) This 
would have to happen somewhat soon though so as to avoid any rush charges 
tagged on by the printer. I'm in NYC and there are a lot of folks that could do 
the shirts for a good price.

I'd like to find out though if this is something worth doing especially since 
we have a bit of time to work with before the end of May. Email me back 
privately and let me know so as not to swamp the list. I'll post again in a few 
days to let you know what the response has been.

dave p  (yes it's still snowing here!)



Re: [313] Compilation with Candido's Thousand finger man & deep detroit track ID

2001-03-06 Thread Jonny McIntosh
> In this  helsinki cafe called Soda they played some nice tunes in the same
order
> everyday on the background, so I hope its some compilation CD. Most of the
tracks
> were latin jazz house inspired stuff, among them Candido's Thousand Finger
man,
> but always after that one was a track which was mindblowing It was kinda
> different then the rest, a deepish detroit house track with drummachine
(alesis
> sr-16 like, simple off beat open hihat stuff) and the most beautifull
strings/pad
> (JX8P like for true trainspotters ;) ) melody I ever heard. Further in the
track
> some Kelly Hands-like chords came in. Does anyone know what that track is
and if
> its a compilation which one?

It could be the Masters at Work "Stop & Listen volume 5" compilation on BBE.
That has "Thousand Finger Man" on it and a whole host of latin influenced
etc. tracks - it is the MAW after all. Don't know what that track in
particular might be on that, maybe "Rude Movements" by Sun Palace? Something
to try, anyway.

Jonny.




[313]jazz show

2001-03-06 Thread john arnold

Hello list,
My name is John Arnold. Some of you might know me from my fragile/transmat 
record.  I would like to invite you to a show I am having this Friday, March 
9th at the Magic Bag.  My world music group
(Blackman and Arnold) will be having it's record release party.  The show 
will not be electronic, it will be live acoustic jazz.  Also,
Francisco Mora(the drummer from the Innerzone Orchestra) is opening the show 
for us with his jazz quartet.  I think I am more excited to see Francisco, 
then I am to release my c.d. It would be cool to see some of you at the 
show.

peace,
ja
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RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread george . jones
I'm on www.the-gas-station.com . I post as Subject28, it's a good place to
get your questions answered.




".: Caltrop :." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/06/2001 11:09:07 AM

To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED], George Jones/US/ABNAMRO/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject:  RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards


for references go to

www.sonicstate.com (the-gas-station discussion is prettty helpful,too)
www.harmony-central.com




RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread .: Caltrop :.

for references go to

www.sonicstate.com (the-gas-station discussion is prettty helpful,too)
www.harmony-central.com



From: "Ryan Brogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 09:43:56 -0500


How about the analogue heaven archives for this? You can also search one of
a thousand synth sites for reviews or to see other peoples kit lists.



p.s. Get an mc-303. ;)
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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject:Re: [313] Synths & Keyboards

What do you want the board to sound like? what kind of sounds do you want
out of it and what kind of music do you want to make with it (as if I don't
know)?




Mark Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/06/2001 07:36:43 AM

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject:  [313] Synths & Keyboards


Firstly sorry to anyone who this may offend, coz I
know there was a post a few months (please don't cry
as I can't seem to find the mails).

Anyway lets cut the crap.

I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
could give me.

Reply privately as not to waste peoples time if you
like.

Thanks
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Compilation with Candido's Thousand finger man & deep detroit track ID

2001-03-06 Thread Danny Wolfers
> =
> > "A Little Bit of Jazz" - Prelude - 1982 - Nik Strakker Band.
> >
> > You can get it on the Frankie Knuckles "Choice" comilation (I think)

Yup. That is one hell of a compilation, also with Candido's Thousand Finger man 
&
Tempest Trio's Do you like the
way it feels. But talking about compilations with Thousand Finger man on it,
I hope someone can ID a certain track with very little clues :)...
In this  helsinki cafe called Soda they played some nice tunes in the same order
everyday on the background, so I hope its some compilation CD. Most of the 
tracks
were latin jazz house inspired stuff, among them Candido's Thousand Finger man,
but always after that one was a track which was mindblowing It was kinda
different then the rest, a deepish detroit house track with drummachine (alesis
sr-16 like, simple off beat open hihat stuff) and the most beautifull 
strings/pad
(JX8P like for true trainspotters ;) ) melody I ever heard. Further in the track
some Kelly Hands-like chords came in. Does anyone know what that track is and if
its a compilation which one?




RE: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread Ryan Brogan

How about the analogue heaven archives for this? You can also search one of
a thousand synth sites for reviews or to see other peoples kit lists.



p.s. Get an mc-303. ;)
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Subject:Re: [313] Synths & Keyboards

What do you want the board to sound like? what kind of sounds do you want
out of it and what kind of music do you want to make with it (as if I don't
know)?




Mark Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/06/2001 07:36:43 AM

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject:  [313] Synths & Keyboards


Firstly sorry to anyone who this may offend, coz I
know there was a post a few months (please don't cry
as I can't seem to find the mails).

Anyway lets cut the crap.

I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
could give me.

Reply privately as not to waste peoples time if you
like.

Thanks
Mark
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Re: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread Paul V

Any of the Nord lead series is phat as hell.
The first version should be pretty cheap by now.

Jp-8000 has tonnes of sounds and is getting down in price as well.

for budget a used Juno 106 is a great budget synth with quality sounds.


From: Mark Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [313] Synths & Keyboards
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 12:36:43 + (GMT)

Firstly sorry to anyone who this may offend, coz I
know there was a post a few months (please don't cry
as I can't seem to find the mails).

Anyway lets cut the crap.

I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
could give me.

Reply privately as not to waste peoples time if you
like.

Thanks
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Re: [313] Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread george . jones
What do you want the board to sound like? what kind of sounds do you want
out of it and what kind of music do you want to make with it (as if I don't
know)?




Mark Hughes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 03/06/2001 07:36:43 AM

To:   313@hyperreal.org
cc:
Subject:  [313] Synths & Keyboards


Firstly sorry to anyone who this may offend, coz I
know there was a post a few months (please don't cry
as I can't seem to find the mails).

Anyway lets cut the crap.

I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
could give me.

Reply privately as not to waste peoples time if you
like.

Thanks
Mark
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RE: [313] what's up in D-town this weekend....

2001-03-06 Thread Benjamin Cuthbert (Merch)
Anybody know how much the Roni Size show is? Does the Royal Oak Music
Theatre have a website?

Thanks.

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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 6:01 PM
To: Jeff Sanford
Cc: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] what's up in D-town this weekend



friday:  

>mark farina, soulstice, afro mystic, tony oliveierra, sean deason,
maersk, dj assault, & detroit gand pubahs @ motor

saturday:

>d. wynn & kevin saunderson tagging on 4, heath bruner, the mind gap, judy
n., gary martin, herdest cummings, bill vanloo, mike huckaby, clark
warner, and liz copeland @ motor

>roni size reprazent @ royal oak music theatre


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Londoners! Info please...

2001-03-06 Thread stuffed bird
Hi,

I've got this really cool colleague who will be coming to 
London this weekend, and she was asking me if I knew any 
cool places.
Cool places meaning food, shopping, drinks, things to see 
or do, not really the typical tourist things but more low 
profile, alternative type of things.

Don't let her down!



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Synths & Keyboards

2001-03-06 Thread Mark Hughes
Firstly sorry to anyone who this may offend, coz I
know there was a post a few months (please don't cry
as I can't seem to find the mails).

Anyway lets cut the crap.

I am after a synth but I am unsure what to buy.  I
want to get it right as I will be spending a lot of
money, so I would appreciate any advice you peepz
could give me.

Reply privately as not to waste peoples time if you
like.

Thanks 
Mark
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Fw: Planet E/DEMF plans

2001-03-06 Thread Tom Robbins
* Carl Craig is in a new studio working on a new album. He has also just 
done a collaboration with Herbie Hancock for Herbie's next LP
* Recloose is working on his album and also making a name for himself as 
DJ and remixer
* Ibex is working on an album for fall release - it will deal with his 
families history in Detroit and civil rights movement
* Mike Clark is working on a new EP

* DEMF - the second DEMF will be held end of May in Detroit - memorial 
day weekend )a big holiday here) - Carl Craig is still main music 
director for this. Last year it drew 1.5 million people
* PLANET E will release the official DEMF Compact disc at the same time
* PLANET E will also hold a special 10 year anniversary event / party at 
the same time in Detroit. Plans are also afoot for a special Planet E 10 
year party in Amsterdam sometime this summer
* Planet E will launch a special series of AUDIOPHILE 12"s - ie: heavy 
virgin vinyl, full color sleeve releases in May on Carl's birthday. The 
series will be 4 12"s of super rare and previously unreleased tracks. The 
first release will be a new specially remastered version of Carl's 
legendary "The Climax" (not the remake but the original) with a remix TBA.
The second release will be released 4 months later (with the remaining 
releases coming a 4 month intervals too - so a record per quarter 
basically). The second release will be the 2 SHOP tracks that appeared on 
the B-side of the original Bug In The Bassbin release plus a special 
unreleased track from the period.




FW: [313] NBA basketball commercial

2001-03-06 Thread Essenson Enar
btw its available at
http://www.adcritic.com/content/nike-freestyle-bball.html

Regards, 

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www.stereo88.com


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To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] NBA basketball commercial


I haven't seen this commercial yet but the whole basketball thing reminds me
of one of the Mark Bell tracks on  "Dancer in the Dark", total basketball
sample, squeaky sneaks and dribbling balls all the way. I love the way he
uses the sneakers to create a melody.
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Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: [313] NBA basketball commercial


> btw, did anybody see the new NBA basketball commercial with a bunch of
> players dribbling the ball rhythmically?  i know this sounds kind of
stupid,
> but the sound in that commercial wouldn't sound so out of place in a
> Plastikman set.  seriously.
>
> Mike
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MACHINA 2001 / Toronto

2001-03-06 Thread jhames lee




N.E.G.(nucleus entertainment group) presents:

 MACHINA  2001


 PART 1:   Fri.April.6th,2001


 Flatspin Tour Two Thousand One. The legendary Japanese techno God Kenishii 
performing for the first time in Toronto. A pioneer of 3 turntable mixing. 
The most revered techno artist coming out of Japan, he made the cover of 
Int'l Newsweek in December 2000. www.kenishii.comwww.kenishii.net



Kenishii/Tokyo/ R&S, Sony Music, Moodman, Plus8,
Sublime, Apollo, Remix Trax, Reel Musique

Adam Marshall vs. Lotus   (4 decks & 2 mixers)
The Dukes (@m & kf)

@ S.O.S. Soul on Spadina
247 Spadina Ave. 2nd floor
advance tickets $15 @ Metroplis, Play de Record


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  PART 2:Sat.April 14th,2001


  The Detroit Godfather Juan Atkins will be making his highly anticipated 
return to Toronto, Canada. Also on the bill is the inimitable Kooky 
Scientist in a second room of live techno talent.
This will be in a beautiful brand new venue in downtown Toronto, behind the 
Skydome. Advance tickets available mid March @ Metropolis.



room 1:   Juan Atkins
  Algorithm/Revolver vs. Mike Shannon/Cynosure


room 2:   Kooky Scientist live/Boston/Plus 8
  Akufen live/Montreal/Hautec
  Sunkissed live/Owen Sound/Woodwork Recordings
  Crave live/Toronto/Woodwork Recordings


 n.b.For info on either event, please e-mail teknomass @ hotmail.com


  Cheers, jhames

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"Aerodynamic"

2001-03-06 Thread Gary Girard

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Has anyone heard the new Daft Punk single "Aerodynamic"? It's such a funky
track! I'm just glad that it's not like "One More Time" - I was starting to
worry! : o
 The album gets released in the U.K on Monday so I can safely say there's at
least one good reason to go out and buy it!




Re: [313] OT - Frankie Knuckles JJJ Mixup

2001-03-06 Thread Kieran
Hi Dave,
If you manage to get it Dave, could you mail me and let me know.. I'd
love a copy too..

cheers,
Kieran

On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Dave Barnett wrote:

] Hello,
] Did anybody in Australia record Frankie Knuckles set on JJJ's Mixup last
] Saturday night. I saw him on Friday night at the Prince Of Wales in
] Melbourne and it was a good show. I just wish i was back home in adelaide
] and recorded this off the radio! - some of his sets at the deephousepage are
] well worth a listen.
] 
] Cheers,
] Dave
] 
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Re: [313] OT - Frankie Knuckles JJJ Mixup

2001-03-06 Thread Cyclone Wehner
He may play another show in Melbourne this weekend, not sure. Check out his
new Mardi Gras mix-CD too - it's good! Mardi Gras are taking it back to an
ol' skool sound, ditching that NRG prog sound. If I get enough requests I'll
type in the tracklisting.

>Hello,
>Did anybody in Australia record Frankie Knuckles set on JJJ's Mixup last
>Saturday night. I saw him on Friday night at the Prince Of Wales in
>Melbourne and it was a good show. I just wish i was back home in adelaide
>and recorded this off the radio! - some of his sets at the deephousepage are
>well worth a listen.
>
>Cheers,
>Dave


OT - Frankie Knuckles JJJ Mixup

2001-03-06 Thread Dave Barnett
Hello,
Did anybody in Australia record Frankie Knuckles set on JJJ's Mixup last
Saturday night. I saw him on Friday night at the Prince Of Wales in
Melbourne and it was a good show. I just wish i was back home in adelaide
and recorded this off the radio! - some of his sets at the deephousepage are
well worth a listen.

Cheers,
Dave



Re: [313] whats that record

2001-03-06 Thread ryan burns


sounds like your taling about Lost Tracks by Roy davis jr.



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (RocketKids)
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To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: [313] whats that record
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2001 17:48:02 +0100

hi,, im looking for a housetune played by terrence parker
in the second part of the summer hq from motordetroit,
theres a man preaching all the timeit shouldnt be hard to
know what track im talking bouti gotta know what that is,,,
thanx  ron

ron lux _ salierstr.30 _ d-75177 pforzheim
(+49)_7231_568568 _ cell (+49)_179_5251805

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