Re: [313] Sueno latino
sounds a bit like the E2E4 to me... -Original Message- From: Jenny Cigarettes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org 313@hyperreal.org Date: Friday, April 13, 2001 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [313] Sueno latino Bushwacka remix? He two (or three?) Sueno Latino remixes last year. From your description, I'd say it's not the 'Tek' remixbut I haven't heard the other(s). Also, I did hear a track that Jeff Mills played over here a few weeks ago that sounded vaguely like another remix of the Sueno Latino riff, this time it was very electronic sounding ala Future Sound Of London - Lifeforms and had a major breakdown and buildup in the middle section (which had a long ambient section) Anyone have any idea what this could be? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
hawtin netcast tonight?
richie is playing at gatecrasher tonight, and the event is being broadcast via: http://www.gatecrasher.com whether richie's set will actually be broadcast i can't tell, but if you're keen on listening, maybe you'll catch him. -kent Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.amexmail.com/?A=1
Re: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May???????
DJ Lewis Keough (also Orb affiliated if memory serves) anyone know what the happened to lewis? he was one of the best techno DJs in the UK back in 1994was hooked up with bandulu crew for a long time... on 13/4/01 11:10 pm, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May??? SNIP Little known factoid, Oakenfold was part of the original System 7 lineup, along with Steve Hillage, Miquette Giraudy, Alex Patterson, and Derrick May So maybe he'll spin techno But I doubt it. :) I don't know what they're referring to as the original System 7. The Fire Album from 1994 is Steve Hiliage with the following collaborators: Garnier, D. May, Youth (famous producer and remixer of The Orb), DJ Lewis Keough (also Orb affiliated if memory serves), The Drum Club (a three-piece early trance group), Greg Hunter (engineer for the Orb - later released material on his own - can't remember the name though - I believe it was on R+S/Apollo ...something about Ants) and Mickey Mann from the Pressure of Speach (whatever happened to him/them)? This album personally opened a lot of doors to the world of Derrick May, Marshall Jefferson, etc for me. Limited Addition which came out in support of this album had remixes from Carl Craig, Laurent Garnier and Marshall Jefferson to name a few - and There's a Derrick May track on the Time:Space compilation with assistance from Steve Hilliage. Linmer notes thank the Charlatans, which is the closest link I can find to Oakenfeld via the Happy Mondays. Proof that trance was not always a naughty word if you need it. [Form of water: wonder twin powers: ACTIVATE!] Tristan np: System 7 - Sierens (Marshall Jefferson Mix) - My personal favorite on Limited Addition. Deep as all get out -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dj Murphy - Brazil's #1 techno DJ
Listen to Brazil's #1 techno DJ at: www.tvi27booking.com.br/murphy.ra He will be touring the USA and Canada on july, so if you like what you hear keep in touch and I will keep you informed about his gigs in the USA. O YAHOO! GEOCITIES CHEGOU AO BRASIL! Crie sua home page com tudo em português - http://br.geocities.com
RE: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May???????
anyone know what the happened to lewis? he was one of the best techno DJs in the UK back in 1994was hooked up with bandulu crew for a long time... Last time I saw him was at Lost, NYE 93/94.playing Red Planet 1 in the second room.
Re: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May???????
In think Oakenfold did something a little later - maybe even a remix. I forget but you will find it in the bio on System 7's Web site. The original line-up was always Steve and Miquette, they worked with others, with Alex Paterson one of their main collaborators and a friend. Cheers Cyclone Little known factoid, Oakenfold was part of the original System 7 lineup
Let it Rock!
... check the lifted MOTORHEAD/Motorhead cover on the Famous When Dead-a playhouse compilation... I got the CD version... any diff 'tween this and the vinyl? 14/04/01! LA Forum!! AC/DC!!! J. E. v.F-B. B.
Hello from BRAZIL
hello everyone, this is Fernando from Brazil, I am a techno freak and I happen to manage the #1 techno Dj's from Brazil, Dj Murphy. For now I just would like to say hi to everyone and also would like to know who out there is from Detroit, we will be touring the USA (Detroit, Austin) and Canada (Toronto) pretty soon and would like to meet some of you guys during my staying in America, if you would like to listen to Dj Murphy's dj set just type the address below in your real audio player and enjoy it! Please let me know what you think, It's important for us to hear some commments, www.tvi27booking.com.br/murphy.ra best Fernando O YAHOO! GEOCITIES CHEGOU AO BRASIL! Crie sua home page com tudo em português - http://br.geocities.com
dj bone peel session
Hi all just wondering if anyone had listened to the dj bone peel session mix and could Id some tracks the agressive spoken word intro for many years you've been warned the revolution would not be televised and the bassy breaks style track he plays over elements of life and the start of man with the red face thanx __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May???????
That's probably what happened, he was just hooked up too long with the Bandulu's. They bad boys, me tellzya! ;-) John DJ Lewis Keough (also Orb affiliated if memory serves) anyone know what the happened to lewis? he was one of the best techno DJs in the UK back in 1994was hooked up with bandulu crew for a long time... on 13/4/01 11:10 pm, Phonopsia at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: darw_n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 5:43 AM Subject: [313] Oakenfold and derrick May??? SNIP Little known factoid, Oakenfold was part of the original System 7 lineup, along with Steve Hillage, Miquette Giraudy, Alex Patterson, and Derrick May So maybe he'll spin techno But I doubt it. :) I don't know what they're referring to as the original System 7. The Fire Album from 1994 is Steve Hiliage with the following collaborators: Garnier, D. May, Youth (famous producer and remixer of The Orb), DJ Lewis Keough (also Orb affiliated if memory serves), The Drum Club (a three-piece early trance group), Greg Hunter (engineer for the Orb - later released material on his own - can't remember the name though - I believe it was on R+S/Apollo ...something about Ants) and Mickey Mann from the Pressure of Speach (whatever happened to him/them)? This album personally opened a lot of doors to the world of Derrick May, Marshall Jefferson, etc for me. Limited Addition which came out in support of this album had remixes from Carl Craig, Laurent Garnier and Marshall Jefferson to name a few - and There's a Derrick May track on the Time:Space compilation with assistance from Steve Hilliage. Linmer notes thank the Charlatans, which is the closest link I can find to Oakenfeld via the Happy Mondays. Proof that trance was not always a naughty word if you need it. [Form of water: wonder twin powers: ACTIVATE!] Tristan np: System 7 - Sierens (Marshall Jefferson Mix) - My personal favorite on Limited Addition. Deep as all get out -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [313] Sueno latino
In a message dated 14/04/01 5:14:30 W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bushwacka remix? He two (or three?) Sueno Latino remixes last year. From your description, I'd say it's not the 'Tek' remixbut I haven't heard the other(s). Could be. Anyone know whether there are any soundclips of the remixes online? Would appreciate it. Thanks. A Zed
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Re: [313] DJ T-1000 : Last DJ on Earth
It's excellent - one of the best techno mix-CDs I have heard in ages - I really like the diversity, every track is memorable and you can play it again and again and hear new things - the mark of a great DJ and a great mix. I especially enjoyed the tracks by Stanny Franssen (Green Man) and Marco Passarani (Saga Pt 2) and most of all Alan's own Warhol Vs Basquiat (would love to hear the original in full length!!). The art work is really attractive and it's a strong package over all. I saw that this was out and I wondered what people thought of it. If it's anything like Live Sabotage, I'll buy it. Does anyone have any audio links?
moodymann
hi anyone have any thoughts on the difference between Moodymann albums on CD vs. their vinyl counterparts? picked up a couple of his non-album 12 releases and they had a noticably different (and, for me, more satisfying) sound than the CDs. specifically, a tighter bass sound, less lower-midrange resonance, crisper high end, little more distortion here and there. in short, a little more raw, a little more punch. or does it just mean that it's time to get a new stylus. thanks kurt
moodymann
hi anyone have any thoughts on the difference between Moodymann albums on CD vs. their vinyl counterparts? picked up a couple of his non-album 12 releases and they had a noticably different (and, for me, more satisfying) sound than the CDs. specifically, a tighter bass sound, less lower-midrange resonance, crisper high end, little more distortion here and there. in short, a little more raw, a little more punch. or does it just mean that it's time to get a new stylus. thanks kurt
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. your answers
actually, the machines producing your favorite sounds are producing AT LEAST, and DONT ARGUE 24bit sound, sometimes even at 48000 or higher khz. when this is mixed down professionally and PRESSED (NOT BURNED, DIGITALLY) to vinyl, that sound is kept, because of it's format. speakers are analog, and they must put out analog sound. therefor, when your CD plays, the data is converted by the speaker so it can play. when you burn higher quality music to a cd, the quality is automatically dithered to 16bit, sometimes with adverse effects. the vinyl produces a sound for the speakers, that digital can only emulate, and can for the most part only reach 16bit quality. say you like the quality of the cleanest CD you've ever heard, now imagine TWICE that quality! kinda hard.. huh maybe that's why people tend to go crazy to the vinyl - Original Message - From: --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. I think alot of the quality of the audio goes out the window after digital quantizantion. Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? I suspect there's a bit of retro-fetishism going on here (not that there's anything wrong with that - just that vinyl rules for reasons other than sound quality). Debates r.e. the quality of mp3 files are mainly irrelevant at present since the primary point of mp3 files is swapping, i.e. you take what you can get in terms of bitrate. Sure, higher bitrates sound better, but most extant files are lower bitrate. Since it's a lossy compression system there will always be a difference, and the louder the P.A. the more audible that difference will be. Personally I'm not ready to make the switch yet, though I do play with WAVs off a puter. :-) (-: Ash --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.autopilot.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] dj bone peel session
The spoken word was the new one from Scan 7 on Elypsia. You have the Right. - Original Message - From: Tom Serna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: [313] dj bone peel session Hi all just wondering if anyone had listened to the dj bone peel session mix and could Id some tracks the agressive spoken word intro for many years you've been warned the revolution would not be televised and the bassy breaks style track he plays over elements of life and the start of man with the red face thanx __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] dj bone peel session
but it is originally the Last Poets right? andy - Original Message - From: scott mcgill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org; Tom Serna [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [313] dj bone peel session The spoken word was the new one from Scan 7 on Elypsia. You have the Right. - Original Message - From: Tom Serna [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2001 8:10 AM Subject: [313] dj bone peel session Hi all just wondering if anyone had listened to the dj bone peel session mix and could Id some tracks the agressive spoken word intro for many years you've been warned the revolution would not be televised and the bassy breaks style track he plays over elements of life and the start of man with the red face thanx __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. your answers
don't argue? --- Joel Reitzloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: actually, the machines producing your favorite sounds are producing AT LEAST, and DONT ARGUE 24bit sound, sometimes even at 48000 or higher khz. First, CD Quality is 16 bit, 44.1khz. 48khz is NOT enough of a difference that you would be able to hear it (I'd give you the math proof, but it's a bit geeky and only the people that already know it would understand it anyway.. has to do with the relationship of the sampling frequncy to the frequencies percieved, and the shrinking perceptable detail range of higher frequencies)... As a matter of fact, 44.1khz is about twice what the average person is able to percieve, which is good enough to eliminate all perceptable aliasing anamolies... in other words, it's already well out of audible range, and the only reason it goes that high is to provide good detail and low noise in high frequencies that vinyl cannot even produce. If you tried to cut a vinyl with the amount of high frequency energy that a CD can reproduce, nobody could track it anyway.. you'd just have the record burn sound on a brand-new record. As far as perceptable audio quality goes, the dynamic range (the amount of audio content that can be percieved as far as amplitude is concerned) has far more to do with perceptable quality in the small differences we're talking about here. Every time you add a bit do the bit-depth, you DOUBLE the dynamic range available, which leaves much more room for detail across all frequencies. Going from 16 bit to 24 bit may not sound like a big deal, but it's a lot more than you think.. to put it in perspective, if you had a detail scale that was linear the difference between 16 bit and 24 bit would be more like the difference between 16 and 4096 on the scale as far as the raw amount of information that can be reproduced. On the other hand, like the sampling frequencies, you probably COULD NOT hear the difference very well unless the detail level was doubled, so it makes more sense to relate it in smaller numbers. I know that I personally can tell a huge difference between 16 and 20 bit sounds (at high volumes and low signal levels), but I cannot hear much difference between 20 and 24 bit - until I've done mix-downs... it's important to mix and run any effects convolutions at higher bit-depth because every time you mix two signals, you lose HALF of the detail range. That adds up quickly. As for your don't argue comment - a LOT of producers are still using samplers from several years ago that sampled and played back at 16 bit.. and MANY of us are still using gear from the early 80's (even digital gear like my yamaha DX7 that's nowhere near 24 bit). The old analog gear never hits the digital domain until it goes through our A/D converters and into our digital mixing environments - at this point, it's usually at least 20 bit, and likely 24-32 bit conversion, and it doesn't drop down to 16 bit again until the CD master is burned... at which point, it's DITHERED to 16 bits, which is a process that preserves more of the sound's detail than would be preserved if we just smashed it into 16 bits and cut off the rest of the detail. This detail loss I'm talking about is mostly perceptable in high-frequency clarity (the types of frequencies that vinyl has never been able to produce), and dynamic range.. I am fairly certain that the dynamic range is more important to the fuller, warmer sound of analog gear than anything else.. there's no question that I can tell a huge difference between hearing an orchestra live and hearing an orchestra on CD. It sounds very flat on CD.. the sounds trail and fizzle and die prematurely.. it looses a smootheness and cohesion that you would have live. I think that vinyl does a better job of preserving this effect, but I can't tell you specifically how or why except maybe that digital is more discreete - no matter what those bits are, they never effect each other, whereas, on a vinyl cutting, the amplitude level of the audio a few miliseconds ago is still having an effect on the current level.. it causes a softening, or blurring effect, much like the effect you would see if a photographer intentionally blurred a photograph a little to make it softer and smoother. You can hear this effect yourself by listening to the difference between analog and digital clipping... Digital clipping sounds very harsh, similar to static on a television, only much more intense and solid.. there's NO smoothing going on. When you overdrive an analog input, clipping still occurs, but the signal levels from one moment to the next (we're talking miliseconds here) have more effect on each other, causing a warmer, smoother, and softer sound that's actually desireable in many circumstances. It sounds more organic and natural. when this is mixed down professionally and PRESSED (NOT BURNED, DIGITALLY) to vinyl, that sound is kept, because of it's format. Not exactly. Vinyl cannot reproduce high
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are.
this would most likely, in effect, damp the resonances. in other words, making sure the table is very heavy would most likely damp a lot of the vibrations (although the bricks most likely would transmit a lot of it). i say isolate the table as well as possible. while a trick like that might be cool nothing is worse than having a needle jump. Mike From: DJ DMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313 detroit 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:12:46 +0200 I can make a nice drawing of this but it's actually true I've tried certain setups where it came clear to me that resonace injected from the speakers react different to the needle through wood, metal or bricks. just make shure that the table you place you're 1200's on is heavy with lot's and lots of bricks But maybe you can tell me something about th'm different frequenties the quartz resonates to ? dmt - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. needle resonance can add dynamics if mastered properly. 154 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. your answers
uhh, no. no, no, and no. the 24-bit sound is NOT kept when pressed to vinyl, because the quality of sound is only as good as the weakest link, and that would be the quality of the vinyl press itself. the speakers don't do any conversions. the D/A converter in your electronics will do that (most D/A converters are in the cd player's circuits itself; if it has an analog output (RCA, XLR, 1/4, whatever) then you know the conversion already happened. digital reproduction is 'nearly' perfect. the level of distortion produced by quantization and filtering is so small it's not even funny. worry more about speaker distortions. what this has to do with 313 i don't know, but it had to be said. :) Mike From: Joel Reitzloff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. your answers Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 13:23:38 -0400 actually, the machines producing your favorite sounds are producing AT LEAST, and DONT ARGUE 24bit sound, sometimes even at 48000 or higher khz. when this is mixed down professionally and PRESSED (NOT BURNED, DIGITALLY) to vinyl, that sound is kept, because of it's format. speakers are analog, and they must put out analog sound. therefor, when your CD plays, the data is converted by the speaker so it can play. when you burn higher quality music to a cd, the quality is automatically dithered to 16bit, sometimes with adverse effects. the vinyl produces a sound for the speakers, that digital can only emulate, and can for the most part only reach 16bit quality. say you like the quality of the cleanest CD you've ever heard, now imagine TWICE that quality! kinda hard.. huh maybe that's why people tend to go crazy to the vinyl - Original Message - From: --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [313] vinyl: not for me; but mp3 cds are. I think alot of the quality of the audio goes out the window after digital quantizantion. Something I don't understand here - so much music is made with samplers and other digital devices, so presumably the sound coming out is quantised to 16-bit/44.1KHz by definition anyway - how can writing that quantised sound onto vinyl suddenly give it a better dynamic range / quality ? I suspect there's a bit of retro-fetishism going on here (not that there's anything wrong with that - just that vinyl rules for reasons other than sound quality). Debates r.e. the quality of mp3 files are mainly irrelevant at present since the primary point of mp3 files is swapping, i.e. you take what you can get in terms of bitrate. Sure, higher bitrates sound better, but most extant files are lower bitrate. Since it's a lossy compression system there will always be a difference, and the louder the P.A. the more audible that difference will be. Personally I'm not ready to make the switch yet, though I do play with WAVs off a puter. :-) (-: Ash --autopilot-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.autopilot.co.uk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
