RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
well, Global Underground is probably the best DJ advertisements i've ever seen. huge hype. it was the greatest idea to make a quick buck and make people famous... but remember that as with anything that's fed to the people it will ultimately be spit out at one time or another. and not like i would trust any DJ ranking list that didn't mention Terrence Parker... the idea of a DJ rank is retarded anyway, what is it based on? how many mix cd's the DJ sold? just my 2/100 Mike From: Bulger, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lorie R' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:28:35 -0800 This is painful Is it me or did the majority of the top 20 artists all release CDs on Global Underground? I smell a rigging.. -Original Message- From: Lorie R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs http://www.trustthedj.com/news?id=191 From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:09:09 -0500 Have a link for that? I'd like to check it out... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
I'm not sure that the quick buck and making people famous go together... I think that the Global Underground series made money because they already used famous people. Anyway, like you said, a DJ ranking is just completely idiotic. How can anyone even begin to compare DJs to each other? That's basically like a high school popularity contest... Most people in the general population don't even know the difference between a DJ and a producer so you really can't blame them for not knowing better... At 09:49 PM 11/2/2001 +, Michael Kim wrote: well, Global Underground is probably the best DJ advertisements i've ever seen. huge hype. it was the greatest idea to make a quick buck and make people famous... but remember that as with anything that's fed to the people it will ultimately be spit out at one time or another. and not like i would trust any DJ ranking list that didn't mention Terrence Parker... the idea of a DJ rank is retarded anyway, what is it based on? how many mix cd's the DJ sold? just my 2/100 Mike From: Bulger, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lorie R' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:28:35 -0800 This is painful Is it me or did the majority of the top 20 artists all release CDs on Global Underground? I smell a rigging.. -Original Message- From: Lorie R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs http://www.trustthedj.com/news?id=191 From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:09:09 -0500 Have a link for that? I'd like to check it out... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
According to their site, it was a poll with votes collected from over 50 countries. I considered that the vast popularity (saleswise) of the Global Underground _stuff_ may account for the larger numbers of votes for their _artists_ but was thinking then that the votes would come from individuals who had actually seen them perform live. Considering that the Chemical Brothers and BT are on there and neither have really shown to be proper DJ's, I don't think the poll was too scientific. -Original Message- From: Michael Kim [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 1:50 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs well, Global Underground is probably the best DJ advertisements i've ever seen. huge hype. it was the greatest idea to make a quick buck and make people famous... but remember that as with anything that's fed to the people it will ultimately be spit out at one time or another. and not like i would trust any DJ ranking list that didn't mention Terrence Parker... the idea of a DJ rank is retarded anyway, what is it based on? how many mix cd's the DJ sold? just my 2/100 Mike From: Bulger, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Lorie R' [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2001 11:28:35 -0800 This is painful Is it me or did the majority of the top 20 artists all release CDs on Global Underground? I smell a rigging.. -Original Message- From: Lorie R [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 11:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs http://www.trustthedj.com/news?id=191 From: Eric Scuccimarra [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Fri, 02 Nov 2001 14:09:09 -0500 Have a link for that? I'd like to check it out... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
??? 40. Bad Boy Bill 47. Laurent Garnier 51. Jeff Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] : : : : : : : : : : : : - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
hey wait...someone said only 1 dj from detroit. well i would like to consider Richie Hawtin from detroit...even though canada is kinda far away from there, it is still close enough for me. a couple of bucks drive ain't that far from detroit... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
hey wait...someone said only 1 dj from detroit. well i would like to consider Richie Hawtin from detroit...even though canada is kinda far away from there, it is still close enough for me. a couple of bucks drive ain't that far from detroit... yeah, windsor is much closer to detroit at 1.7 miles than belleville (home of the belleville three) is at 29.1 miles. in fact, you'd probably pay more in gas driving to detroit from magic juan's birthplace of techno home than you would for the bridge or tunnel toll coming from rich's home. i guess it depends on whether or not you're driving the fuel efficient detroit techno ford focus. chris - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] NEW SUBMERGE HOMEPAGE
Very nice! I can see now why Mike has been even more below the radar than usual. And there's a link to www.techno-rebels.com right on the home page :) phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] NEW SUBMERGE HOMEPAGE
Does anyone have a URL for the new page? Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - Original Message - From: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [313] NEW SUBMERGE HOMEPAGE Very nice! I can see now why Mike has been even more below the radar than usual. And there's a link to www.techno-rebels.com right on the home page :) phred - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Agents Of Change
Courtesy Transmat. Thursday November 22nd. 2001 AGENTS OF CHANGE MILLS - AXIS MAY - TRANSMAT DETROIT MICHIGAN THURSDAY 22ND NOVEMBER 2001 to be continued... - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] Derrick May Live In Dallas
I heard Derrick May opened up for Live - that rock band - in Dallas the other night. This is too strange for words. Er, anyone go (for the DJ of course) and care to report? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
I have little time for this poll. It purports to be international yet is mainly compiled from UK responses and has a UK bias. There have always been questions about this poll in the industry, too. I never give it much weight myself. However, the exclusion of Jeff Mills could be partly because he does not play in the UK so much now. This too raises an interesting question, why is it that if a DJ is big everyone but in the UK, plays everyone but the UK, then he/she don't exist in the eyes of the UK media. DJ Pierre pointed out this bias in an Australian interview, he too plays everywhere but the UK. Happily when an Australian magazine did a similiar poll Mills came in at number 1. DJ Magazine is quite arrogantly UK centric. When it did an article on the Australian scene, it declined to use any Australian journalists, though we are English speakers and know our scene, instead it brought out a few UK hacks who rated clubs that had closed down and actually got people's genders wrong. It was the talk of the biz for all the wrong reasons - it was hilarious!! :) -- From: laura gavoor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2001 6:02 AM FYI: DJ Magazine has announced the winners of their annual pollwith the exception of Jeff Millsnot one DJ from Detroit was listed. Obviously, as a UK publication they're going to get more UK fans voting, so Sasha Digweed are one + two or two + one...yeah whatever... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] LA Weekly Juan interview
The LAWeekly did a cover story on the nine lives of rave this month. Past the obligatory Oakenfold rulez spread is a nice little interview with Juan Atkins where he talks about racial barriers in America and trance as soulless marching music. Parallel to discussions I've read on this board, he cites a black dude -- one of my homeboys in Detroit (Red Planet - Star Dancer) as the trance sound's blueprint. Thought someone might be interested, available at www.laweekly.com . Also Larry Heard in LA on November 24th!!! Can't wait for that one. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] DEMF Hotel Part 2
The DEMF Hotel saga goes international. Other artists who appeared @ DEMF 2001 and got charged back for their hotel rooms. Ollie Barcovic : Forward Music : Canada Seth Hodder : NovaMute : UK and not confirmed yet but more than likely, Daniel Miller : Mute : UK Anyone know of anyone else who should be on this list ? Telepathic regards, The Kooky Scientist -- TELEPATHICA - P.O.B.80337 - Boston, MA 02180-0010 FX 978-741-8901 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mp3.com/fredgiannelli http://www.telepathica.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology vs. art
Hello, Admirers of the human brain were disappointed when for the first timea computer beat a human (chess champion Gary Kasparov). But the largeand powerful machine can do nothing else - well, this is an interesting concept. Deep Blue was IBM's chess project that defeated Kasparov in 1997. The way Deep Blue was set up was to use a thing called a recursive algorithm which is a fancy term for a set of rules that considers every potential permutation in a given situation. Furthermore, it also used an algorithm that considered whether a particular branch of decisions were worth considering. Even though electrical circuits sent information at the speed of light, rather than the app. 670mph that our actual neural impulses travel at, there are still a limited number of clock cycles that Deep Blue had available at its disposal for each turn. The interesting issue that this raises is that a human has so much less raw processing power for a recursive process that it uses pattern recognition from previous experience to play the game, whereas Deep Blue actually considered every aspect of the game at that moment in real time. So who was really thinking? Kasparov using the stored processing cycles of memory through pattern recognition, or Deep Blue with a recursive algorithm working the process on the spot? Furthermore, Why would the admirers of the human brain be disappointed? The best AI research is based on concepts found in the best processor that natural evolution could come up with. Deep Blue, and all other AI works on the principles of the human mind. I think what people find disturbing is that perhaps we are not the End All-Be All center of the universe, but just another rung in the evolutionary ladder. Guess what people, Homo Sapiens only have a century or two left until we become a memory. We have had creativity and technology locked down for a couple hundred millennia, but that time will come to an end in less than 2 decades. it's programmed to examinemillions of possible moves methodically and at great speed,calculating without any 'feeling' for what might be good or exciting.Even the smartest of today's computers are pretty dumb. they are based on the same concepts our minds are based on. The difference is that computers still do not have the raw processing power and memory that we do. Give the computer another 20 years and we will see how smart humans really are. But, as Marvin Minsky said, Deep Blue might have beat Gary Kasparov, but Deep Blue still wouldn't know that it should come in from the rain. The machine, the program, explores all the options, all of them exhaustively, without any insight, and then picks the one that's best in that investigation, computers have not yet to demonstrate true artificial intelligence. what is intelligence? What is insight? What is consciousness? I think they are emergent properties of the computing system we keep in our noggins. You consider what Marvin Minsky had to say about the human mind in Society Of Mind, he basically stated that we are just a large collection of _Very_ simple processes that synergistically form into what we consider consciousness. We are just a vast hierarchal arrangement of relatively dumb neural-nets. The difference is that the section of that hierarchy that we consider ourselves(the conscious mind) really does not have access to the very bottom end of the hierarchy of our minds. Think about what it takes to pick up a ball. There is the physical end, using each finger, using your elbow, your shoulder, your waist... then there is the perceptual end, looking at the ball, organizing all the information from the senses into a coherent mental framework that the mind can use to make evaluations of its situation in the external world. If you think about it, that is a massively complex project. yes a 2 year old can do this, but how complex is that toddlers mind? Every aspect of the process of picking up that ball that I just described can be sub-divided into a thousand smaller sub processes, which can again be sub-divided. Do you think the very bottom end of the mental processes that form where is my hand are particularly bright? They are not intelligent in the way we think of intelligence. It is just that these dumb processes add up as you climb your way up the hierarchy that constitutes your mind. I think machine intelligence is already here, it is just that it is too specialized for us to properly recognize it. I do not think it is a matter of whether or not machines can think, it is a matter of when will the computing hardware catch up to the wetware in our heads. Human beings are not nearly as profound as our creation myths would have us believe. This experiment will show you have a far superior brain to a computer.All you need is a bag of coloured sweets (such as M Ms), somecoloured pens and pencils, and some coloured beads. Spread all thesethings out a
Re: [313] Hardwax info
This is not true, Life After Mutation is the first Drexciyan appearance on Vinyl. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Hardwax info Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 13:37:47 +0100 Hello everybody! I think the Hardwax records are all produced by Robert Hood! The older ones are veeery hard! The best releases on Hardwax IMO: Dr. Kevorkian-Aftermath (HW 005) Missing Channel-submerged (HW 008) Mathematic Assassins-Calculator (HW 009) Robert Hood-Force of One (HW 010) As far as I know the label still exists and robert Hood is releasing 12es sparely on it! I think it should be no problem to get them all. Try Hardwax (the store! Has nothing to do with the label!) in Germany www.hardwax.com Cheers, Arne Arne Weinberg GROUND ZERO Rec. / STARBABY Rec. / PROPAGANDA Rec. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] technology vs. art
- Original Message - From: Mike Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 2:22 AM Subject: Re: [313] technology vs. art Do you want to die of a heart attack when you can have a replacement grown, or have a mechanical one installed? Do you want to be deaf when you can have cochlear implants(which are on the market today)? Will techno sound better through cochlear implants, and is there any way we can download music to them? Tristan -- http://ampcast.com/phonopsia - Music http://phonopsia.tripod.com - Mixes, pics, thought, travelogue info http://www.metatrackstudios.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email FrogboyMCI - AOL Instant Messenger - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
I knew someone was going to open up that can of worms... first, we'd all have to agree on definitions of what makes a dj Detroit. Is it where they were born? Where they began playing? Where they currently live? What style of music they tend to spin? There will be no solution, no answer that will please everyone, and on top of that, what good is the argument anyway? I've never heard Rich claim to be a Detroit dj anyway. At 14:21 02/11/2001 -0800, FC3 Richards wrote: hey wait...someone said only 1 dj from detroit. well i would like to consider Richie Hawtin from detroit...even though canada is kinda far away from there, it is still close enough for me. a couple of bucks drive ain't that far from detroit... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs
I've never heard Rich claim to be a Detroit dj anyway. Someone hasn't read their Techno Rebels ; ) What about that famous etching? Future Sound of Detroit?? Detroit for a minute, Vince Woolums AOL IM: vincewoolums http://bnsrecords.gemm.com http://www.recordcollectorinc.com - Original Message - From: Fixer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: FC3 Richards [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2001 9:43 AM Subject: RE: [313] DJ Mags Top 100 DJs I knew someone was going to open up that can of worms... first, we'd all have to agree on definitions of what makes a dj Detroit. Is it where they were born? Where they began playing? Where they currently live? What style of music they tend to spin? There will be no solution, no answer that will please everyone, and on top of that, what good is the argument anyway? At 14:21 02/11/2001 -0800, FC3 Richards wrote: hey wait...someone said only 1 dj from detroit. well i would like to consider Richie Hawtin from detroit...even though canada is kinda far away from there, it is still close enough for me. a couple of bucks drive ain't that far from detroit... -- fix.er \'fik-s*r\ n : one that fixes : as : one that intervenes to enable a person to circumvent the law or obtain a political favor : one that adjusts matters or disputes by negotiation - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] tracklistid
Hi! Can the friendly person who mailed me a tracklisting of magik cuts (with letters instead of numbers) please mail it to me again? doped computer . . d - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
