(313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up
I really think this set might surprise a lot of people who thing they know everything that Ben Sims is about. I heard him play a set with a similar crate a few months ago, which really blew me away. I certainly formed some really narrow and inaccurate perceptions about his musical interests when I first explored the music he makes and a couple of his DJ sets in the late '90s (which I enjoyed but weren't very broad), but over the last few years his bookings at Retrovert and Split (and what is played on the Split radio show) have opened my eyes a lot. The similar set I heard was definitely one of the highlights of my year, so I thought I'd pass this eagerly-awaited recording on, as his name pops up occasionally, and generally not always in the frame I think he deserves: http://www.splitmusic.net/gallery.asp. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 01/12/2006 13:12
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kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even if you like Rich's sets these days, by their very nature, there's not much to say about them -- minimal innit? And if you don't like Rich's sets these days, the less said the better. On 12/1/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Greg (Who - along with several list lurkers - is amused that nothing was said about Rich's set) I'll just quote Someone Else From Here's review, posted elsewhere: Rich was perfect. Even when he screwed up once. Played a lot of whoknowswhat that sounds like sh!t when other ppl play it, then at the end played Pullover, Spastik, bits of I Called U and Transition, some crazy new Carl Craig track. Killed it. Mills' first record was so dirty it wouldn't track. Then he trainwrecked some. Then he played The Bells. Transitions awful, EQ'ing painful, records you've heard 8,000 times. And I hate to say it but after 2.5 hrs of digital perfection from Richie, Jeff's records sounded terrible. He may have been pushing the mixer cuz I heard some clipping but overall the sound quality difference between he and Hawtin was remarkable. I couldn't be on the main floor when he was playing. But he was still pretty good. ;] Like I said - funny how different people can have different reactions to hearing exactly the same music ;) - Greg
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I find alot of hard techno fans are overly concerned with the mechanics of a performance. Sure they're important, but those are quanitative things like the number of unprecise mixes or what the bitrate of the files were. When people focus on the aspects of a performance that are immediately measurable they often miss out on it's qualitative aspects. Things that separate an artist from an engineer. The engineer is concerned only with The small concrete part of the world he can put into a box and measure, ignoring the rest. The artist attempts to transcend the mechanical in the hopes of channelling a bit of that beautifully unmeasurable vastness that surrounds the immediate and concrete. To me that's what it means to be 'soulful' and play with emotion. I definetely did enjoy hawtin's set and the l'il louis I Called U acapella over spastik was a nice finish. Still I found myself bored and uninspired especially when compared to Mills. It just wasn't very funky and had little variation or risk. In my experience, Hawtin's pounder sets (though this one was less pounder-more minimal than when he came to SF two years ago) tend to inspire the sorts of people who would rather head bang than jack your body. I know Hawtin is a diverse performer but his formula the last three times I've seen him just doesn't do it for me. Quoting Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even if you like Rich's sets these days, by their very nature, there's not much to say about them -- minimal innit? And if you don't like Rich's sets these days, the less said the better. On 12/1/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Greg (Who - along with several list lurkers - is amused that nothing was said about Rich's set) I'll just quote Someone Else From Here's review, posted elsewhere: Rich was perfect. Even when he screwed up once. Played a lot of whoknowswhat that sounds like sh!t when other ppl play it, then at the end played Pullover, Spastik, bits of I Called U and Transition, some crazy new Carl Craig track. Killed it. Mills' first record was so dirty it wouldn't track. Then he trainwrecked some. Then he played The Bells. Transitions awful, EQ'ing painful, records you've heard 8,000 times. And I hate to say it but after 2.5 hrs of digital perfection from Richie, Jeff's records sounded terrible. He may have been pushing the mixer cuz I heard some clipping but overall the sound quality difference between he and Hawtin was remarkable. I couldn't be on the main floor when he was playing. But he was still pretty good. ;] Like I said - funny how different people can have different reactions to hearing exactly the same music ;) - Greg
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i'm Someone Else From Here. i'm also someone who could care less if the mix is perfect if the vibe is there. i'm all for seeing jeff (or d. wynn or practically anyone from detroit) cue and correct in the mix... slam it in there and make it work. just make the walls and collective butts shake while doing so. since this review has grown legs maybe i would have reconsidered using the word 'perfect'. it's not that rich was so mechanically perfect. i don't care about that. it's that once jeff got on i realized how bad the audio was. now a lot of people (including some close friends... ;)) are probably going to want to give me sh!t for being a pro-digital person. and while i sorta am, that's not what i mean. whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system, some very dirty records, some badly fumbled mixes and ear-splitting EQ choices, all the air went out of the party for me. i love watching jeff and i agree with a lot of what was said about rich (tho i wil reiterate that he still has that richie hawtin way of making a terrible record interesting). it's not that a sample rate or whizbang widget wasn't up to snuff; it's that this night jeff and i didn't click and that IMO he's had far better nights. ps. - thanks for the capitalization fixes, greg. :P On Dec 4, 2006, at 7:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find alot of hard techno fans are overly concerned with the mechanics of a performance. Sure they're important, but those are quanitative things like the number of unprecise mixes or what the bitrate of the files were. When people focus on the aspects of a performance that are immediately measurable they often miss out on it's qualitative aspects. Things that separate an artist from an engineer. The engineer is concerned only with The small concrete part of the world he can put into a box and measure, ignoring the rest. The artist attempts to transcend the mechanical in the hopes of channelling a bit of that beautifully unmeasurable vastness that surrounds the immediate and concrete. To me that's what it means to be 'soulful' and play with emotion. I definetely did enjoy hawtin's set and the l'il louis I Called U acapella over spastik was a nice finish. Still I found myself bored and uninspired especially when compared to Mills. It just wasn't very funky and had little variation or risk. In my experience, Hawtin's pounder sets (though this one was less pounder-more minimal than when he came to SF two years ago) tend to inspire the sorts of people who would rather head bang than jack your body. I know Hawtin is a diverse performer but his formula the last three times I've seen him just doesn't do it for me. Quoting Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even if you like Rich's sets these days, by their very nature, there's not much to say about them -- minimal innit? And if you don't like Rich's sets these days, the less said the better. On 12/1/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Greg (Who - along with several list lurkers - is amused that nothing was said about Rich's set) I'll just quote Someone Else From Here's review, posted elsewhere: Rich was perfect. Even when he screwed up once. Played a lot of whoknowswhat that sounds like sh!t when other ppl play it, then at the end played Pullover, Spastik, bits of I Called U and Transition, some crazy new Carl Craig track. Killed it. Mills' first record was so dirty it wouldn't track. Then he trainwrecked some. Then he played The Bells. Transitions awful, EQ'ing painful, records you've heard 8,000 times. And I hate to say it but after 2.5 hrs of digital perfection from Richie, Jeff's records sounded terrible. He may have been pushing the mixer cuz I heard some clipping but overall the sound quality difference between he and Hawtin was remarkable. I couldn't be on the main floor when he was playing. But he was still pretty good. ;] Like I said - funny how different people can have different reactions to hearing exactly the same music ;) - Greg
RE: (313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up
The set which T is referring to was excellent and Im looking forward to DL this mix, we were suppose to record it but had some probs with the MP3 recorder so it never got done, Ben was a bit gutted which is why this mix has been done. He is doing a chi town set at this party on the 16th- http://www.retro-vert.com/ may be some disco as well. P -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2006 01:09 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Ben Sims hiphopfunkdiscosoulelectro mix up I really think this set might surprise a lot of people who thing they know everything that Ben Sims is about. I heard him play a set with a similar crate a few months ago, which really blew me away. I certainly formed some really narrow and inaccurate perceptions about his musical interests when I first explored the music he makes and a couple of his DJ sets in the late '90s (which I enjoyed but weren't very broad), but over the last few years his bookings at Retrovert and Split (and what is played on the Split radio show) have opened my eyes a lot. The similar set I heard was definitely one of the highlights of my year, so I thought I'd pass this eagerly-awaited recording on, as his name pops up occasionally, and generally not always in the frame I think he deserves: http://www.splitmusic.net/gallery.asp. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 01/12/2006 13:12
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nice one Tristan thanks for sorting that out - its getting me in the mood for Big Daddy Kane and Doug E Fresh tomorrow nite! I can't wait!.. I really think this set might surprise a lot of people who thing they know everything that Ben Sims is about. I heard him play a set with a similar crate a few months ago, which really blew me away. I certainly formed some really narrow and inaccurate perceptions about his musical interests when I first explored the music he makes and a couple of his DJ sets in the late '90s (which I enjoyed but weren't very broad), but over the last few years his bookings at Retrovert and Split (and what is played on the Split radio show) have opened my eyes a lot. The similar set I heard was definitely one of the highlights of my year, so I thought I'd pass this eagerly-awaited recording on, as his name pops up occasionally, and generally not always in the frame I think he deserves: http://www.splitmusic.net/gallery.asp. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.430 / Virus Database: 268.15.3/562 - Release Date: 01/12/2006 13:12 -- www.midnightbeats.de www.tekknikexprimental.de www.kube72.com www.myspace.com/kubeseventy2
(313) 15th December (Next Friday ) Süd Electronic's Yuletide Knees Up With Lawrence /Sten , Carsten Jost , Pantha Du Prince (Live) +
A Dial Records Showcase is the absolute first for the UK it is totally unmissable ! After absolutely rocking Panorama Bar , in Berlin , to it's foundations , this past weekend , Lawrence/Sten , Carsten Jost Pantha Du Prince , prepare to do the same in London @ Süd . Dial records are so on form , as usual . With a recent slew of fantastic releases . 1 of my top 5 favourite labels without a doubt . It seems like every producer wants a bit of the Lawrence re touch , what with countless remixes for artists such as Depeche Mode , Sascha Funke , Superpitcher , Barbara Morgenstern , Turner , e.t.c. We are so pleased to be one of the chosen nights as well ; a first for the UK too ; for a special Live preview of Pantha Du Prince's hotly tipped ,'This Bliss' , album . Out on Dial , in January 2007 . With 2 rooms of music , With a special guest , another German :) , Juergen Junker , who has released some great music on his own Neurythmics imprint , as well as the highly regarded , Third Ear imprint .He has recently launched his own website . Check it out . http://juergenjunker.com/ Room 2 will be left in the able hands of our residents , Nick Craddock , Marco Shuttle , with another special guest , Stefano . Squint will be on hand with his fab visuals ! This is the night i have been waiting for , for the last 4 , 5 months , so do not miss ! Room 1 Dj's Lawrence / Sten ( Dial , Kompakt , Cocoon , Novamute , Ghostly/Spectral , Ladomat ) Carsten Jost( Dial , Klang Elektronik , Sender ) Live Pantha Du Prince ( Dial ) Support Dj's Juergen Junker ( Neurhythmics , Third Ear ) Lakuti ( Süd ) Room 2 Nick Craddock (nickcraddock.co.uk) Marco Shuttle ( Minisketch , Multivitamins) Stefano Visuals By Squint Venue : The Rhythm Factory 16 - 18 Whitechapel Road , London E1 1EW Click on the link below for a map www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=51.5167lon=-0.0676scale=1icon=x Nearest Tubes : Aldgate East , Whitechapel Buses : 67 , 25 , 205 , 254 , 25 , N106 , N253 Times : 10 pm - 6am Door Charge : £10 / £8 Concessions to Süd's mailinglist subscribers . Subscribe by emailing : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Infoline : 07727685791 www.sudelectronic.com More info from : http://www.dial-rec.de/ http://www.smallville-records.de http://www.panthaduprince.com/ http://www.myspace.com/lawrencesten http://www.myspace.com/carstenjost Hope you Can Make it ! Lerato /Lakuti
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pantha du prince live-set was absolutely great @ panoramabar! sadly you gonna miss a dj-set by efdemin who played after lawrence on sunday morning and was mind blowing. anyway: go there i you can and enjoy! c* Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 14:35:34 + Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: 313@hyperreal.org Betreff: (313) 15th December (Next Friday ) Süd Electronic\'s Yuletide Knees Up With Lawrence /Sten , Carsten Jost , Pantha Du Prince (Live) + A Dial Records Showcase is the absolute first for the UK it is totally unmissable ! After absolutely rocking Panorama Bar , in Berlin , to it's foundations , this past weekend , Lawrence/Sten , Carsten Jost Pantha Du Prince , prepare to do the same in London @ Süd . Dial records are so on form , as usual . With a recent slew of fantastic releases . 1 of my top 5 favourite labels without a doubt . It seems like every producer wants a bit of the Lawrence re touch , what with countless remixes for artists such as Depeche Mode , Sascha Funke , Superpitcher , Barbara Morgenstern , Turner , e.t.c. We are so pleased to be one of the chosen nights as well ; a first for the UK too ; for a special Live preview of Pantha Du Prince's hotly tipped ,'This Bliss' , album . Out on Dial , in January 2007 . With 2 rooms of music , With a special guest , another German :) , Juergen Junker , who has released some great music on his own Neurythmics imprint , as well as the highly regarded , Third Ear imprint .He has recently launched his own website . Check it out . http://juergenjunker.com/ Room 2 will be left in the able hands of our residents , Nick Craddock , Marco Shuttle , with another special guest , Stefano . Squint will be on hand with his fab visuals ! This is the night i have been waiting for , for the last 4 , 5 months , so do not miss ! Room 1 Dj's Lawrence / Sten ( Dial , Kompakt , Cocoon , Novamute , Ghostly/Spectral , Ladomat ) Carsten Jost( Dial , Klang Elektronik , Sender ) Live Pantha Du Prince ( Dial ) Support Dj's Juergen Junker ( Neurhythmics , Third Ear ) Lakuti ( Süd ) Room 2 Nick Craddock (nickcraddock.co.uk) Marco Shuttle ( Minisketch , Multivitamins) Stefano Visuals By Squint Venue : The Rhythm Factory 16 - 18 Whitechapel Road , London E1 1EW Click on the link below for a map www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?lat=51.5167lon=-0.0676scale=1icon=x Nearest Tubes : Aldgate East , Whitechapel Buses : 67 , 25 , 205 , 254 , 25 , N106 , N253 Times : 10 pm - 6am Door Charge : £10 / £8 Concessions to Süd's mailinglist subscribers . Subscribe by emailing : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Infoline : 07727685791 www.sudelectronic.com More info from : http://www.dial-rec.de/ http://www.smallville-records.de http://www.panthaduprince.com/ http://www.myspace.com/lawrencesten http://www.myspace.com/carstenjost Hope you Can Make it ! Lerato /Lakuti -- Ein Herz für Kinder - Ihre Spende hilft! Aktion: www.deutschlandsegelt.de Unser Dankeschön: Ihr Name auf dem Segel der 1. deutschen America's Cup-Yacht!
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On 12/4/06, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system how does one clip a sound system with analogue records? only digital signals clip. tom
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That explains the clip light on old analog mixers. On Dec 5, 2006, at 10:56, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: On 12/4/06, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system how does one clip a sound system with analogue records? only digital signals clip. tom -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 12/5/06, Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That explains the clip light on old analog mixers. i dont want to get into the semantics of it. you can overdrive an analogue amplifier, you cant clip it. clipping refers to the boxing off of peaks of a digital waveform. if you want to understand it further, wikipedia.org is your friend. tom
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On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:01, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: if you want to understand it further, wikipedia.org is your friend. tom Errr, did you read the wikipedia article on audio clipping? It sez: In analogue audio equipment, there are three common causes of clipping. and mentions digital clipping as a special case. -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FW: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
No analogue signals do too. They tend to do it in a more progressive way where digital signals clip very abruptly but any system is going to have a maximum level which you can't exceed (otherwise we could just use tiny analogue amps and turn them up to 11 or 111 and get huge outputs!). -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2006 15:56 On 12/4/06, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system how does one clip a sound system with analogue records? only digital signals clip.
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I think that this brings up a very strong point that I tend to discuss with other music geeks, like me. When is too much technical focus too much? It seems that Rich, while a great dj, seems to have focused on the technical aspect of his sets, whereas he used to really focus on the crowd and the track selection. He was never a bad dj, but his sets used to seem a bit more human, inspirational. Sure, Mills will wreck a few times, but he is always trying something new with the music, using that emotion as a catalyst. Plus, he usually has three records going at once, cutting between them in a frenzy, like a wizard :p. Just my .02. Joel - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 9:33:59 PM Subject: Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update I find alot of hard techno fans are overly concerned with the mechanics of a performance. Sure they're important, but those are quanitative things like the number of unprecise mixes or what the bitrate of the files were. When people focus on the aspects of a performance that are immediately measurable they often miss out on it's qualitative aspects. Things that separate an artist from an engineer. The engineer is concerned only with The small concrete part of the world he can put into a box and measure, ignoring the rest. The artist attempts to transcend the mechanical in the hopes of channelling a bit of that beautifully unmeasurable vastness that surrounds the immediate and concrete. To me that's what it means to be 'soulful' and play with emotion. I definetely did enjoy hawtin's set and the l'il louis I Called U acapella over spastik was a nice finish. Still I found myself bored and uninspired especially when compared to Mills. It just wasn't very funky and had little variation or risk. In my experience, Hawtin's pounder sets (though this one was less pounder-more minimal than when he came to SF two years ago) tend to inspire the sorts of people who would rather head bang than jack your body. I know Hawtin is a diverse performer but his formula the last three times I've seen him just doesn't do it for me. Quoting Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even if you like Rich's sets these days, by their very nature, there's not much to say about them -- minimal innit? And if you don't like Rich's sets these days, the less said the better. On 12/1/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Greg (Who - along with several list lurkers - is amused that nothing was said about Rich's set) I'll just quote Someone Else From Here's review, posted elsewhere: Rich was perfect. Even when he screwed up once. Played a lot of whoknowswhat that sounds like sh!t when other ppl play it, then at the end played Pullover, Spastik, bits of I Called U and Transition, some crazy new Carl Craig track. Killed it. Mills' first record was so dirty it wouldn't track. Then he trainwrecked some. Then he played The Bells. Transitions awful, EQ'ing painful, records you've heard 8,000 times. And I hate to say it but after 2.5 hrs of digital perfection from Richie, Jeff's records sounded terrible. He may have been pushing the mixer cuz I heard some clipping but overall the sound quality difference between he and Hawtin was remarkable. I couldn't be on the main floor when he was playing. But he was still pretty good. ;] Like I said - funny how different people can have different reactions to hearing exactly the same music ;) - Greg
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On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:18, Joel Gajewski wrote: When is too much technical focus too much? When we all argue about what clipping is when we all knew what the guy was talking about. (you can't spell geek without an EE) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The difference is with the waveform. Compression/distortion is not (...really) the same as clipping. And generally speaking, they're recognized as being the result of a lack of analogue or digital overhead respectively. You can call it what you want, and in extreme cases of compression, you can get that square wave form (clips), but it'll never sound the same and that's the real reason for the distinction. K mwnb -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2006 11:12 AM To: 313@Hyperreal.Org Subject: FW: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update No analogue signals do too. They tend to do it in a more progressive way where digital signals clip very abruptly but any system is going to have a maximum level which you can't exceed (otherwise we could just use tiny analogue amps and turn them up to 11 or 111 and get huge outputs!). -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2006 15:56 On 12/4/06, Garrett McGrath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: whatever was going on with jeff clipping the sound system how does one clip a sound system with analogue records? only digital signals clip.
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With Mills, it has always been, and always will be about the fact that at any time it feels like everything is going to fall apart at any second. I saw him last year in August 2005 at Lost, and many of the people with me thought he was terrible, because he wasn't tight. Yawn. He was incendiary that night, just like he was in his Golden period of '95 - '97. Lots of mistakes, but the energy was relentless. Techno by its very nature is rigid and fixed, and when someone like Mills adds that rough, human element, it takes it to another level. Hawtin by contrast just seems to be plotting a linear route. -Original Message- From: Joel Gajewski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 December 2006 16:18 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update I think that this brings up a very strong point that I tend to discuss with other music geeks, like me. When is too much technical focus too much? It seems that Rich, while a great dj, seems to have focused on the technical aspect of his sets, whereas he used to really focus on the crowd and the track selection. He was never a bad dj, but his sets used to seem a bit more human, inspirational. Sure, Mills will wreck a few times, but he is always trying something new with the music, using that emotion as a catalyst. Plus, he usually has three records going at once, cutting between them in a frenzy, like a wizard :p. Just my .02. Joel - Original Message From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, December 4, 2006 9:33:59 PM Subject: Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update I find alot of hard techno fans are overly concerned with the mechanics of a performance. Sure they're important, but those are quanitative things like the number of unprecise mixes or what the bitrate of the files were. When people focus on the aspects of a performance that are immediately measurable they often miss out on it's qualitative aspects. Things that separate an artist from an engineer. The engineer is concerned only with The small concrete part of the world he can put into a box and measure, ignoring the rest. The artist attempts to transcend the mechanical in the hopes of channelling a bit of that beautifully unmeasurable vastness that surrounds the immediate and concrete. To me that's what it means to be 'soulful' and play with emotion. I definetely did enjoy hawtin's set and the l'il louis I Called U acapella over spastik was a nice finish. Still I found myself bored and uninspired especially when compared to Mills. It just wasn't very funky and had little variation or risk. In my experience, Hawtin's pounder sets (though this one was less pounder-more minimal than when he came to SF two years ago) tend to inspire the sorts of people who would rather head bang than jack your body. I know Hawtin is a diverse performer but his formula the last three times I've seen him just doesn't do it for me. Quoting Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED]: kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well even if you like Rich's sets these days, by their very nature, there's not much to say about them -- minimal innit? And if you don't like Rich's sets these days, the less said the better. On 12/1/06, Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Greg (Who - along with several list lurkers - is amused that nothing was said about Rich's set) I'll just quote Someone Else From Here's review, posted elsewhere: Rich was perfect. Even when he screwed up once. Played a lot of whoknowswhat that sounds like sh!t when other ppl play it, then at the end played Pullover, Spastik, bits of I Called U and Transition, some crazy new Carl Craig track. Killed it. Mills' first record was so dirty it wouldn't track. Then he trainwrecked some. Then he played The Bells. Transitions awful, EQ'ing painful, records you've heard 8,000 times. And I hate to say it but after 2.5 hrs of digital perfection from Richie, Jeff's records sounded terrible. He may have been pushing the mixer cuz I heard some clipping but overall the sound quality difference between he and Hawtin was remarkable. I couldn't be on the main floor when he was playing. But he was still pretty good. ;] Like I said - funny how different people can have different reactions to hearing exactly the same music ;) - Greg For ball-by-ball coverage, instant match reports and analysis follow the Ashes at www.telegraph.co.uk/ashes This e-mail is from Telegraph Media Group Limited - 111 Buckingham Palace Road, London, SW1W 0DT registered in England under No 451593. This message, its contents and any attachments to it are private and confidential. Any unauthorised disclosure, use or dissemination of the whole or part of this message (without our prior written consent) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately. Neither
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Hahahaha! lol. True. Sorry, geek. The last time I saw Mills was on Thanksgiving in 2001 (?), but it was amazing. Some of his mixes faltered, but the energy was unreal. He was slamming techno anthem after anthem, then around 3am or 4am he killed it with a Mills' backspin that shreaded the room and the old tv announcement, It's 11 o'clock, do you know where your children are? played into Flash. Good stuff. - Original Message From: Matt Kane's Brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joel Gajewski [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2006 10:19:17 AM Subject: Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update On Dec 5, 2006, at 11:18, Joel Gajewski wrote: When is too much technical focus too much? When we all argue about what clipping is when we all knew what the guy was talking about. (you can't spell geek without an EE) -- matt kane's brain http://hydrogenproject.com aim - mkbatwerk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/05/2006 10:24:42 AM: Techno by its very nature is rigid and fixed, and when someone like Mills adds that rough, human element, it takes it to another level. Hawtin by contrast just seems to be plotting a linear route. I wish that techno hadn't become so rigid and fixed (at least it's not as grid like as Trance is). Early techno didn't seem that way basically because the technology either wasn't there or wasn't affordable. I think that's why I get so bored with Hawtin and other minimal stuff. There's a local radio station that plays it ever Saturday evening. You could tune in for a ffew minutes in the beginning, middle, and end and you wouldn't notice much progression. The beat will be the same - oh! but the mix will be s tight that you might not notice when the crossfader has gone from left to right and back again. I can't stand listening to the show. Is that what djing is now? MEK
RE: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
Someone get me my cane - I think those teenagers are on my lawn again! ;-) MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/05/2006 11:26:27 AM: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 12/05/2006 10:24:42 AM: Techno by its very nature is rigid and fixed, and when someone like Mills adds that rough, human element, it takes it to another level. Hawtin by contrast just seems to be plotting a linear route. I wish that techno hadn't become so rigid and fixed (at least it's not as grid like as Trance is). Early techno didn't seem that way basically because the technology either wasn't there or wasn't affordable. I think that's why I get so bored with Hawtin and other minimal stuff. There's a local radio station that plays it ever Saturday evening. You could tune in for a ffew minutes in the beginning, middle, and end and you wouldn't notice much progression. The beat will be the same - oh! but the mix will be s tight that you might not notice when the crossfader has gone from left to right and back again. I can't stand listening to the show. Is that what djing is now? MEK
Re: (313) Mills' Last Weekend Tracklist Update
On 12/5/06, Stoddard, Kamal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The difference is with the waveform. Compression/distortion is not (...really) the same as clipping. And generally speaking, they're recognized as being the result of a lack of analogue or digital overhead respectively. You can call it what you want, and in extreme cases of compression, you can get that square wave form (clips), but it'll never sound the same and that's the real reason for the distinction. exactly, ive never heard any analogue signal clip in anything like the way of just overdriving the signal into your computer will. by the time your analogue signal got that high, it would probably just sound like white noise anyway. tmo
(313) Mr. Watson
Can I recommend this to the list: Vince Watson http://www.discogs.com/release/841270 Sound Clips: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-01-01.mp3 http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-02-01.mp3 m
Re: (313) Mr. Watson
On 12/5/06, Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can I recommend this to the list: Vince Watson http://www.discogs.com/release/841270 Sound Clips: http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-01-01.mp3 http://mp3.juno.co.uk/MP3/SF247654-01-02-01.mp3 im just not feeling this one. first planet e in years that i wont be picking up (i think the last one before this was the remixes of todd sines' 12 back in 02. tom
