Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) brian eno david byrne
Saw this thread a little while back and thought OOOH!!! must check. Maybe it got said already but when I actually came to do so I find it's not a new album but a rerelease of a 1973 LP - their first work together. Not that into the clips I heard. -Original Message- From: john saylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 September 2008 16:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) brian eno david byrne hey On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this really a new album from these two? http://www.earplug.cc/172945 yeah- it's nice. i've heard it a few times and hasn't blown my mind, but it was ok. i thought _my_life_in_the_bush_of_ghosts_ was better. btw- _bust_of_ghosts_ was eno/byrne and _everything_that_happens is byrne/eno. so i guess i like eno on top better :-P -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ]
RE: (313) brian eno david byrne
No - they do have a new album out! Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:35 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) brian eno david byrne Saw this thread a little while back and thought OOOH!!! must check. Maybe it got said already but when I actually came to do so I find it's not a new album but a rerelease of a 1973 LP - their first work together. Not that into the clips I heard. -Original Message- From: john saylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 18 September 2008 16:48 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) brian eno david byrne hey On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 11:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: is this really a new album from these two? http://www.earplug.cc/172945 yeah- it's nice. i've heard it a few times and hasn't blown my mind, but it was ok. i thought _my_life_in_the_bush_of_ghosts_ was better. btw- _bust_of_ghosts_ was eno/byrne and _everything_that_happens is byrne/eno. so i guess i like eno on top better :-P -- \js [ http://or8.net/~johns/ ] # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing.
RE: (313) brian eno david byrne
Oh, OK! Guess they must have just rereleased No Pussyfooting on the back of that / to promote it / whatever synergy bla. Sorry. From: Robert Taylor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:39 No - they do have a new album out!
RE: (313) new acid junkies -- Crane Dance EP
Lol! ;-) Ok, perhaps what crossed my still fairly juvenile [at times] mind is not *the* reason But it's got to be one reason, I think. Stereotyping is obviously never a good idea, and in my case I should definitely know beter as I know several Dutch people fairly well personally and professionally, and it's a wide cross section of course - not everybody's into the same things. Still, I think many would acknowledge the potential influence of the cultural atmosphere in the urban parts of the Netherlands on the state's artistic output, the character of it too And don't underestimate how much of a cultural pride there is in the more liberal atmosphere regarding certain things, than in say Alabama or Tehran I've been surprised more than once by one of the very same seemingly 'square' types , turning out to be much more of an all rounder, shall we say. Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 26, 2008 7:15 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) new acid junkies -- Crane Dance EP (Perhaps another obvious question, but... ) Why is there such a vibrant (at least from my perspective) dance music scene in the Netherlands? m50 At 2008.09.20 06:13, Klaas-Jan Jongsma wrote: oh well it is all dutch anyways ;-) Now we are talking dutch techno, some quick eevolute news, comming out soon: East Island - Near Depth EP (next07) Digital only, old school techno/electro in classic eevolute style. All recorded about 10 years ago and recently found again in the Eevolute vaults. Comming out soon... again: 2000 and one - Neverending Cycle (eevo03r) Vinyl/digital, you asked for it, we re-mastered it and finally back on vinyl this highly anticipated classic eevolute record. Cheers! On 20 sep 2008, at 05:21, southernoutpost wrote: Hmp, for some reason I thought it was Acid Junkies. I humbly stand corrected! = Southern Outpost http://www.southernoutpost.com Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin Infiltrating your sound systems = On Sep 19, 2008, at 6:50 PM, Klaas-Jan Jongsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah but Straight Trippin is a Terrace track ;-) On 19 sep 2008, at 02:53, Southern Outpost wrote: wow, that's a trip (pun intended ;) Haven't heard much from Acid Junkies since that incredible track years ago Straight Trippin' P. On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 5:42 PM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got a note on facebook from Stefan about this, and grabbed it immediately from Beatport, where it appears to be cheapest (in the US). You can probably do better in Europe with http://www.junodownload.com/ppps/products/ 1345664-02.htm Stefan's stuff as Florence, Sierra Romeo, etc is a little more contemplative and chill. Acid Junkies is straight up dirty jacking fun on Crane Dance. -- -- Southern Outpost Sydney - San Francisco - Berlin http://www.southernoutpost.com --
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things? Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 5:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wait a second... how is it _not_ the fans fault for Geist not getting paid for his music when people download via P2P before it's even out? you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get it from A to B P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the files on them nobody is holding the fans at gun point and telling them that they MUST share the files with all of their friends they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist - especially the struggling independent artist people are looking to get something for nothing it is the fans fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions are hurting the musicians they claim to love it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling I can't hear you! you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians aren't getting paid for it it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give something in return that the musician can use most of the time, that something is financial funding if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't have it - in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires you should be content with having less music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone else continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a friend hurts Morgan Geist MEK JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what site you uh cite. The artifact and reality of music is ceasing to exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital objects, but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm tired. On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Yeah I think refraining from selling your wares would not be reasonable but I think you could take the opportunity to say your piece about stealing music. Even making a PSA might be frustrating though. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:27 AM, kent williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you ever take this as a 'teaching moment' and tell them why that is a horrible way to view things? Of course, this just goes to show what everyone's probably noticed: 99% of DJs are complete wankers. Present company excepted off course.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Ah, see, my point has nothing to do with morals nor ethics. In my understanding the OP works for a music shop, rubadub if i'm not mistaken, a shop that most likely relies on repeat business by paying customers of music media, not just music gear. Sure, there are going to be people who use it legitimately, but if the OP's point was that most people just steal music, it's ironic at least and really bad business at worst that they're enabling their own lack of repeat business. Dig? After all, even the legitimate users of mp3s are not going to do (much) repeat media business at the shop. They're going to go to traxsource.com or junodownload.com or beatport.com, or any of the many other legitimate online music stores. As far as I can tell rubadub does not yet have an online music shop. So, while I didn't really mean to judge rubadub's decision to sell serato (notice my original post made no judgement other than that it's interesting) you have to admit that it does say something. I'd love to hear what else Jason or anybody in the rubadub crew has to say about their business model in this regard. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
RE: (313) Morgan Geist interview
I wonder if people regard me as a music thief - I don't buy much music these days as I tend to download DJ mixes that (mostly) friends put up. I stopped buying vinyl years ago as I had to give it up like an alcoholic has to give up booze. I go to parties and regard that as my economic contribution to 'the scene', rightly or wrongly. Rob Taylor VT Librarian x8599 Hatch Desk x1088 VT Library Users' Guide -Original Message- From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 14:58 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview Ah, see, my point has nothing to do with morals nor ethics. In my understanding the OP works for a music shop, rubadub if i'm not mistaken, a shop that most likely relies on repeat business by paying customers of music media, not just music gear. Sure, there are going to be people who use it legitimately, but if the OP's point was that most people just steal music, it's ironic at least and really bad business at worst that they're enabling their own lack of repeat business. Dig? After all, even the legitimate users of mp3s are not going to do (much) repeat media business at the shop. They're going to go to traxsource.com or junodownload.com or beatport.com, or any of the many other legitimate online music stores. As far as I can tell rubadub does not yet have an online music shop. So, while I didn't really mean to judge rubadub's decision to sell serato (notice my original post made no judgement other than that it's interesting) you have to admit that it does say something. I'd love to hear what else Jason or anybody in the rubadub crew has to say about their business model in this regard. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 7:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should it? One might advocate taking the choice of whether to break the law out of the hands of the individual with technology when it came to say, gun control. But in this case when there's a perfectly legit way to use such gear why should a shop then have to stop selling it because some people (even if the majority) are not using it in a legal and possibly not moral way. They're the ones ripping people off - if that's what they're doing (which doesn't mean to say I don't think they are, I'm just trying not to be involved in that argument while this other bit seems clear cut to me). From: Frank Glazer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 September 2008 12:29 interestingly this hasn't stopped you from selling serato. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
(313) wtf -- 32768th 'Good Life' Rip Off?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCgOsgyVt1Y Manalive on Bush. This is some complete BS in my book. KMS should sue -- Bush is a high enough profile label that they should know better. I heard this because I was listening to the top sellers on Beatport. Which is mostly a reminder, yet again, of what complete wankers most DJs are. And yet again, present company excepted.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Anybody who lives on a budget will take pride in getting something for nothing. That is how it works. Of course R-a-D will keep selling Serato. It's a good product. Refusing to sell it would be like refusing to sell blank cd's because people use them to burn bootlegs. Please! And R-a-D, like any other music retailer, needs all the sales they can get. They are not in any position to make any significant, broad-reaching change to how the music business works these days, especially since there is no clear way to make it work any better. The business has dug itself into a hole. It panicked about digital music file sharing; it was way too late in noticing the potential of the technology, and when it did it tried to lock it down, and they're still trying to, and it's not ever going to succeed. It is one of the biggest f-ups in the history of the music business. Policing the internet seems like an impossible task, but it will be done more and more, corporate technology will eventually, finally, really tamp out nearly all file sharing...that is my prediction. It's been catching up for the past few years.. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:23 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free. It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for nothing. Jason Rubadub
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 11:15 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anybody who lives on a budget will take pride in getting something for nothing. That is how it works. I should add to this -- digital theft is not a concept that is readily understood by the masses yet. I highly doubt many people who torrent or fileshare think of it as theft, not in any sort of serious way. The goodies are right there for the taking, and nobody seems to notice when you've taken the goodies either. There is so much grey area morality involved. The idea of consequences from the clicks you make while sitting in your home in your underwear and a beer is not a reality for most people yet. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
morality involved. The idea of consequences from the clicks you make while sitting in your home in your underwear and a beer is not a Yep I get in my undies and sit in my beer.now that's livin.. Oof I'm done
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:15 AM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Policing the internet seems like an impossible task, I think it's impossible to exhaustively police the Internet, but an hour or two a week spent with google and the torrent search sites would at least give you some places to send takedown notices. How do you think your deadbeat fans find stuff? Any of the ironic quotereputable/ironic quote torrent sites will honor takedowns. There's still the problem of private trackers, but at least they're limited to a smaller number of users. And we have to distinguish between the independent record labels and the majors. The major labels have gotten out of the business of releasing and promoting anything besides sh1t, and if they all dropped dead it would be too soon. I think the only rational business model for labels at this point is to focus on digital distribution, and do their best to identify and connect with their paying audience. The success of download sites in the past couple years shows that you can still sell music. I think a positive approach to fans would actually work. Instead of saying We'll hunt you down like the dogs you are, say If you pay us, we'll keep making stuff you like, and by the way here's a double secret link to a new track we're letting you have for free. And when it comes to dance music, you can produce a copy protection dongle that people will buy and cherish -- a vinyl record. It won't keep you off the torrents and newsgroups forever but it's something that has persisted as an object of desire despite all announcements of its death.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. They are already writing the software to do this and they will make the ISPs responsible in some way or other - there's too much money at stake for some to not get the blame. The guys at our local ISP know who's doing what and when and put heavy users on what they call the naughty pipe so it's not that impossible to police. m
Re: (313) wtf -- 32768th 'Good Life' Rip Off?
kent williams wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCgOsgyVt1Y Manalive on Bush. This is some complete BS in my book. KMS should sue -- Bush is a high enough profile label that they should know better. I heard this because I was listening to the top sellers on Beatport. Which is mostly a reminder, yet again, of what complete wankers most DJs are. And yet again, present company excepted. Here's the full length version of Devilfish's Man Alive: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=XLviQkOvblwNR=1 that further makes the point that Devilfish just cut up the hook from Inner City's Good Life and slapped it over the beat from Grooveyard's Watch Me Now: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vhOzvKhvFkU and called the result Man Alive (Past). The Devilfish song came out in 2000 on Bush: http://www.discogs.com/release/5225 Maybe now that it is out there digitally, all will see the ripoff for what it is. Andrew -- Andrew Duke--sound design/recording/composition/production courses: http://andrew-duke.com/course.html Andrew Duke--Chain Reaction downloadable sound FX samplepack: http://www.audiobase.com/product/SACR Andrew Duke--Consumer vs. User album: http://www.phthalo.com/cat.php?cat=phth40 Andrew Duke--columns/features/commentaries/more: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/read.html http://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewdukecognitionaudioworks http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew_Michael_Duke/852160229 http://myspace.com/AndrewDuke http://myspace.com/CognitionAudioworks
(313) Digital Theft was Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin...
Re: (313) Digital Theft was Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Well, sorta. Wave goodbye to DJ Mixes that haven't gone through proper channels. It sucks I know. It's sort of a replay of the record industry's response to cassette tapes when they came into popular usage in the early 80's...they really hated mix tapes and tried to kill home cassette recorders. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin...
Re: (313) Digital Theft was Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
I can assure you that as long as I am breathing I will be making unauthorized freely shared promotional DJ mixes with media that I have paid for. When mixtapes are outlawed, only outlaws will make mixtapes. For my archive of such mixes since 1996 please visit http://www.deejaycountzero.com On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 1:00 PM, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, sorta. Wave goodbye to DJ Mixes that haven't gone through proper channels. It sucks I know. It's sort of a replay of the record industry's response to cassette tapes when they came into popular usage in the early 80's...they really hated mix tapes and tried to kill home cassette recorders. On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 12:07 PM, robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Changed the subject line. That is a reason why the RIAA and MPAA are using scare tactic lawsuits. But they're late, and it amounts to punishing essentially innocent people for their own lateness. It's just a total mess, but I imagine that digital theft will be increasingly policed, and increasingly more ably policed, and the idea of digital theft will be a much more broadly understood crime by the mainstream in the not-too-distant future. It's inevitable. When this gets properly nailed down then you can wave good-bye to dj mixes online too. BPI etc consider these to be just as bad as a straight ripped file. robin... -- peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
Re: (313) Digital Theft was Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Me too. I only mention it because BPI shut 'a friend' down for providing mixes once. robin... On 29 Sep 2008, at 18:12, Frank Glazer wrote: I can assure you that as long as I am breathing I will be making unauthorized freely shared promotional DJ mixes with media that I have paid for. When mixtapes are outlawed, only outlaws will make mixtapes.
Re: (313) Morgan Geist interview
Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. No one sits down and just listens. I think entertaining yourself on the go is turning into a huge problem. It's like yogurt tubes versus nice Greek yogurt with honey drizzled on it. -Morgan Geist By my reading of this, he's not saying that he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live. Instead, he sounds to me like he's bemoaning the modern audience's unwillingness or inability to experience listening to recorded music as an event in itself. I'm guessing that when you say that he hasn't dropped a record in 11 years, you are only counting solo full length albums (or CDs?) as a record. By my count, he's been pretty busy releasing music regularly over the past decade, solo, under pseudonyms, and as a part of various groups. Meaningful live representation seems like something that electronic music in particular has struggled with since it started being created. How does one reproduce a field recording, live, or a multitrack recording of painstakingly edited bits, or tape splicing on the fly. Sure, there are ways of representing any of these in a live setting, I suppose, but it is not the same thing as a band playing something together as a band in the studio and then together as a band on stage. It sounds like he wants to focus on creating and capturing his studio work, and he isn't finding the buyers or listeners he was hoping for. He's also begging the question as to whether the type of audience he hopes for even exists. m50 At 2008.09.26 12:00, kate simko wrote: You know, as much as I absolutely love Morgan Geist's music and respect him as an artist, I don't see him as a total victim in his anxiety stroll. A mutual friend of ours in Chicago told me about how he just wants to record music (not play shows) and how he's considering quitting music (same rant as the interview). Well, he says in his interview that Listening to music isn't an event anymore unless it's live. But he's not willing to play live. So, he thinks it's best for people to hear his music live (where they have to pay for the show!!) but he's not willing to give them that opportunity. The whole history of music up until the 20th century was based off of musicians playing for an audience. Only since the advent of recordings was selling a copy of a performance even and option. Ask any successful band or DJ and they will tell you that playing shows is the only viable option for supporting yourself off music right now. I don't think this is totally a bad thing. It should be an honor to play for people who enjoy your music (like Morgan says, he feels lucky that people pay attention to his music). Anyways, my point is Morgan Geist hasn't dropped a record in 11 years and doesn't want to play live- that's the root of his predicament. He has a great new record and *it's up to him* to make more music and play shows to get by financially. Or, as the original post said, take a break. He's a talented, blessed guy, I'm sorry to hear him sound so unhappy. On Sep 26, 2008, at 9:26 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reason it's not a business is because his fans won't let him make a living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on a record that isn't even released yet. That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called fans say straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could you possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? MEK Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living from music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very (financially) successful. I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a business and back to a hobby. m
