A very quick interjection from me! We're a record retailer but we also sell DJ and Studio equipment- we currently sell around 10 Serato systems a week and the number has been growing steadily over the last 2 years. Almost without fail the customer will tell us with a big grin on their faces that Serato is great because "I don;t need to pay for music anyomore- I just download it for free". It's so short sighted it almost beggars belief- the majority of these people are actually taking pride in getting something for "nothing".
Jason Rubadub 2008/9/26 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Wait a second... > > how is it _not_ the "fans" fault for Geist not getting paid for his music > when people download via P2P before it's even out? > > you can't blame the technology - it takes someone to drive that car to get > it from A to B > P2P/blogs/etc. sites aren't breaking into people's houses and forcing the > files on them > nobody is holding the "fans" at gun point and telling them that they MUST > share the files with all of their friends > > they're doing it willingly and not thinking about what it costs the artist > - especially the struggling independent artist > > people are looking to get something for nothing > > it is the "fans" fault but they just don't want to admit that their actions > are hurting the musicians they claim to love > it's a case of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling "I can't > hear you!" > > you can say that we're losing the old way of appreciating music but the > fact remains that people are still taking the music and the musicians > aren't getting paid for it > > it's pretty black and white - if you want the music you should give > something in return that the musician can use > most of the time, that something is financial funding > > if you don't have the money to pay the musician for it then you shouldn't > have it - > in a world that was good the musicians you wouldn't have people with half a > gazillion tunes in their iTunes unless they are millionaires > you should be content with having less > > music shouldn't be treated like a cheap commodity by the fans nor anyone > else > > continuing to blame the technology lets the so-called fans off the hook - > they don't have to face the fact that getting Morgan Geist's tracks off a > friend hurts Morgan Geist > > MEK > > "JT Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 10:28:05 AM: > > > It's not really the fans' fault. The internet has forced a drastic > > re-configuration of the music business, that so far has not found any > > balance, it hasn't really re-configured in a sustainable way yet. MG > > was right about iPods and the fact that nobody really _listens_ to > > music anymore. The mp3 formulation flat-out sucks. I don't care what > > site you uh cite. The "artifact" and "reality" of music is ceasing to > > exist -- like MG says, seeing live music is becoming the only way to > > have a real music experience now. Technophiles will rant and rave > > about the freedom and access allowed by ethereal digital "objects", > > but we are losing many of the old ways we marked and appreciated and > > valued cultural fuel such as music...the digital revolution got ahead > > of itself. It's not just because we're getting old. I'd go deeper and > > talk about Western cultural trends and politics and blabla but I'm > > tired. > > > > On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 10:26 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > Reason it's not a business is because his "fans" won't let him make a > > > living at it. You read what he said about people complimenting him on > a > > > record that isn't even released yet. > > > That sucks. I've talked to struggling musicians who's so-called "fans" > say > > > straight to their face that they really enjoy their music but that they > > > didn't pay for it - just got it off someone else or from a P2P site. > > > > > > That sucks and that's not any way to be a fan. > > > > > > I'm not surprised that Geist is feeling the way he is. How long could > you > > > possibly put up with that bullshyte before losing it? > > > > > > MEK > > > > > > Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 09/26/2008 05:03:50 AM: > > > > > >> > > >> > > > >> > Oh yeah. I agree. Don't get me wrong, the honesty in there is > > >> > refreshing. The problem, as I see it, for people making a living > from > > >> > music is that it's hard to take that break unless you're very > > >> > (financially) successful. > > >> I guess they are going to have to accept that it's no longer a > business > > >> and back to a hobby. > > >> > > >> m > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >
