Re: (313) Andrew Duke is really f*cking p*ssed off
On 20 Jan 2009, at 02:41, /0 wrote: spw is an idiot. he's well known in electronic music circles for just this sort of thing It's a shame cos there's some really good heads on Discogs and Frankie doesn't help :) m
(313) john peel vs jeff mills
*When putting together the first issue of FACT, way back in 2003, we had a pretty strange idea: why not ask firm if unlikely friends John Peel and Jeff Mills to interview each other? So we asked. And guess what? They agreed. * http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1804Itemid=27
RE: (313) Closure of the Clone record label
Nice words, gracefully put. Nobody wants to read another embittered tirade about the collapse of the market for vinyl and for paid music in general, even if it's painfully correct. Still, I doubt I'm alone in suspecting that it's indeed the already poor environment for music sales, exacerbated by the credit crunch, which is behind their decision - at least to some extent. I like the spirit in their announcement though. It's hopeful. -Original Message- From: Klaas-Jan Jongsma [mailto:grand...@mac.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 6:57 AM To: 313 Mailinglist List Subject: (313) Closure of the Clone record label I found this in my mailbox this morning, it might be of some interest for some of you: --- * Closure of the Clone record label* After running the label since 1993/ 94 we recently noticed that we were going to repeat ourselves. We started as a label influenced by the first wave of techno and house labels who were just releasing music for the sake of good and personal music (we cloned what they did... by just having fun and release music which we enjoyed ourselves). We have started very immature and without having an idea in mind that we we're going to make this a business... At that moment we were exploring the field of minimalish techno and acid. Then our attention slowly moved to electro, post Detroit techno and the new sonic territories with modern electronica. We've had the return of disco in the late 90's and the nu-disco thing and a fusi on of styles in the early '00. Simultaneously we've released dark electro techno, campy nu-disco ,advanced modern electronica and personal favorites in the rebound. Artists developed into different directions and there is not much we haven't touched in our field... from very 'obscure' records to 'underground' dance floor hits that got big festival crowds and balearic holiday ravers moving. So what is there left to do? Basically there is no challenge at this moment... we can continue releasing everything we like (from people we like) without a marketing strategy and without a potential buyers in mind as we used to do... but we already did so for many years. At this moment we don't understand the popularity of many artists and releasesor... actually we do!. We do, to a certain level, because we've tried many things when we just started our journey into music when we were teenagers and when we started the label +/- 15 years ago! By now we do understan d the tricks and formulas of dance music and the different users. However using these tricks and formulas just to ensure maximum effect would be betrayal to our own musical ethics because our goal with Clone records is to entertain ourself with the music we release (and to be clear... with themusic...and not the side effects). Somehow we feel we've had an almost complete life cycle of personal evolution in dance music and thats also how we developed the label into a versatile label which is releasing different styles of dance music for different purposes. Its a difficult decision because the label is doing very well and we get warm reactions from the strangest places in this world and we could do this for another 10 years! But in order to remain passioned about what we do, we feel we should not continue the label as it is.. so we won't. but no worries.. there will be new things coming, but its just not exactly clear what, how (and when). More news on th at in a few weeks time! There will be to two remaining releases (scheduled for Februari.) C#55 - I-f ft Fred Ventura/ Ajello - I cut my heart out (Craig Richards edit)/ I'm ready C#56 - Marco Bernardi - Mystery Of Nazerus (plus a limited Marcus Bernardi rmx 12) then it will be quiet on the label... oh.. and Clone Clasic Cuts still has some releases lined up (incl a Unit Moebius CD release), so for now we don't know what will happen with that.. but most likely we will continue with the Classic Cuts Series.
Re: (313) Closure of the Clone record label
It should be mentioned as well that on my one visit to Rotterdam, Serge and the other Clone guys made me feel very welcome. Great guys, very professional, and straight shooters. It isn't always the case that great music is made by nice people, but in this case they couldn't be nicer.
RE: (313) 313 geek quiz
90%, no Google. Got the DEMA one wrong. -Original Message- From: Benoît Pueyo [mailto:benoit.pu...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 10:22 PM To: list 313 Subject: Re: (313) 313 geek quiz he he i didnt reach the 10/10. Wasnt Derrick May spare room a correct answer too ??? -- Benoît. Andrew Duke a écrit : Marsel van der Wielen wrote: this is the one i meant :-) http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz.cfm?qid=256561 Not sure about the average person, but for anyone on 313, the above is too darn easy! Andrew David Beattie schreef: Hi Marcel, I did a quick search through my email history and found 2 quiz URL's from 313 but neither of them worked one looked incomplete to start with and the other was from 05 Cheers BT --- On Wed, 7/1/09, mar...@nomorewords.net mar...@nomorewords.net wrote: From: mar...@nomorewords.net mar...@nomorewords.net Subject: (313) 313 geek quiz To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Date: Wednesday, 7 January, 2009, 11:23 AM i remeber there was some kinda quiz on the net anyone remembers/know the url/address? thx!
Re: (313) john peel vs jeff mills
Marsel van der Wielen wrote: *When putting together the first issue of FACT, way back in 2003, we had a pretty strange idea: why not ask firm if unlikely friends John Peel and Jeff Mills to interview each other? So we asked. And guess what? They agreed. * http://www.factmagazine.co.uk/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=1804Itemid=27 Wow! Thanks much for the heads up on this Marsel. Andrew np Jackpot--Uno Dos Tres--1982 (Runaway remix-2009) (Permanent Vacation/Service) -- Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, PAs, interviews: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html sound design and music content provider: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166 Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7
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Re: (313) Closure of the Clone record label
Nobody wants to read another embittered tirade about the collapse of the market for vinyl and for paid music in general, even if it's painfully correct. The message says the label was doing well, so to read it as a comment on how vinyl is dying or how music sales are struggling is not accurate at all, I think. I think they honestly have no direction right now and feel like they've done everything, so they'll be trying some different things for awhile. Will probably be interesting..
Re: (313) Closure of the Clone record label
I agree, personally everything they released on Clone was pretty damn hot, so I doubt they were struggling in light of the vinyl recession. As it alluded to in Clones message, it was just time to kick back and focus on other things for a while. P. On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 9:22 AM, JT Stewart etmach...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody wants to read another embittered tirade about the collapse of the market for vinyl and for paid music in general, even if it's painfully correct. The message says the label was doing well, so to read it as a comment on how vinyl is dying or how music sales are struggling is not accurate at all, I think. I think they honestly have no direction right now and feel like they've done everything, so they'll be trying some different things for awhile. Will probably be interesting..
(313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
First of all im a vinyl lover and Ill never give up that... Maybe thats silly but ive become too much used to browse easily with pictures on the records and put them fast on the decks. My basic brain also considers i will not pay for something i can get for free, then vinyl is also a way to make myself contribute to the underground music business necesary to make some creators work. But mp3 has also become unavoidable, to be able to play 'only digital' music coming from free netlabels (including my tracks). So I need a solution both efficient for my home and also for gigs, and that allow me to play both vinyl and mp3 : 1) Pacemaker. To me the best solution (why ? tactile pitch bend and small size), specially knowing it will be available at reasonable cost in a few months. But well its not really handy specially in the kindof gig where the club owner gives you a new drink at each record you play. Actually my dream consists of an ipod touch / iphone app for djing. Some already exist but with way too much latency. Any more info ? 2) Laptop. Kindof affordable nowadays but less 'tactile' feeling unless you add a midi controller or some serato thing. What i dont like : all the plunging things to do to make everything works. You cannot arrive somewhere and start playing a few minutes after. I dont even talk about browsing tracks, but its also the problem with the pacemaker. 3) CD player. Now each club has so i can buy for home purpose only and bring only records to the gigs. Problem : i do not trust on grabbed cds, they do not last (ive lost tons of my sets i archived only on cd 5 years ago), which means after some years of use, you need to 'check' if your classics still work. Imagining i keep the cd solution (becasue you only bring records with you and browsing can be done fastly), the ideal CD for my home sounds to be the Technics, coz of the 'vinyl' touch i want. But ive just heard very bad things about the master tempo (specially the dj scandal youtube) but it seems to have been fixed. Am i correct ? And why with that corrected, most the people still prefer the Pioneer ? Your opinion interests me, knowing Ill still palay most of the music through vinyl and a regular mixer, which means I dont care about all the effects and mixing possibilties (including EQ) on the above mentionned devices. Cheers. -- Benoît.
Re: (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
I think it's kind of down to you to decide how you do what you do. 1. If you're comfortable with records, and want to go digital, the vinyl controlling a laptop thing is fully mature. The friends I know that DJ this way seem to like Serato the best. Traktor Scratch is a lot fancier -- 4 decks! Effects! Auto-beatmapping! -- but I think on the whole it's a lot fiddlier to use. 2. The M-Audio Torq Exponent thing has by far the snazziest looking controller, but I don't know anyone who has tried it: http://www.zzounds.com/item--MDOXPONENT 3. The Pacemaker thinger looks really teeny, and I think most people who are actual adults would prefer something that you control with broader gestures. And $850 is a lot of money for something you could accidentally drop in a glass of beer, or get nicked out of your coat pocket while you're trying to pull a girl... 4. The solution I've arrived at is idiosyncratic to me -- I use Ableton Live. It means that I spend a lot of time warping tracks, which can be tedious, but believe me it lets you really learn your tracks. Plus there a lot more options for effects, looping tricks etc, and with a decent midi controller, you don't spend all your time twiddling a mouse and staring at a screen. I can do a whole set and only use the arrow keys to select a track, and the return key to start it. I use an M-Audio X-Session Pro midi controller, which seems to work smoothly. One thing I discovered early on is to NOT map the transport controls, because I kept stopping tracks accidentally. I use them now to turn effects on and off instead, which is a lot less dire than silencing your set. This completely removes the action of beat matching from the equation -- if your tracks are warped properly they'll fit together perfectly. Now it's a valid argument to say That's not DJing! But I never practiced or played out often enough to get really tight with vinyl beatmatching, and nothing screws the musical flow of a set worse than a train-wreck. It's up to you to use the time and energy spent beatmatching to do something else musically useful and creative.
Re: (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
Benoît Pueyo wrote: First of all im a vinyl lover and Ill never give up that... Maybe thats silly but ive become too much used to browse easily with pictures on the records and put them fast on the decks. My basic brain also considers i will not pay for something i can get for free, then vinyl is also a way to make myself contribute to the underground music business necesary to make some creators work. But mp3 has also become unavoidable, to be able to play 'only digital' music coming from free netlabels (including my tracks). So I need a solution both efficient for my home and also for gigs, and that allow me to play both vinyl and mp3 : 1) Pacemaker. To me the best solution (why ? tactile pitch bend and small size), specially knowing it will be available at reasonable cost in a few months. But well its not really handy specially in the kindof gig where the club owner gives you a new drink at each record you play. Actually my dream consists of an ipod touch / iphone app for djing. Some already exist but with way too much latency. Any more info ? 2) Laptop. Kindof affordable nowadays but less 'tactile' feeling unless you add a midi controller or some serato thing. What i dont like : all the plunging things to do to make everything works. You cannot arrive somewhere and start playing a few minutes after. I dont even talk about browsing tracks, but its also the problem with the pacemaker. 3) CD player. Now each club has so i can buy for home purpose only and bring only records to the gigs. Problem : i do not trust on grabbed cds, they do not last (ive lost tons of my sets i archived only on cd 5 years ago), which means after some years of use, you need to 'check' if your classics still work. Imagining i keep the cd solution (becasue you only bring records with you and browsing can be done fastly), the ideal CD for my home sounds to be the Technics, coz of the 'vinyl' touch i want. But ive just heard very bad things about the master tempo (specially the dj scandal youtube) but it seems to have been fixed. Am i correct ? And why with that corrected, most the people still prefer the Pioneer ? Your opinion interests me, knowing Ill still palay most of the music through vinyl and a regular mixer, which means I dont care about all the effects and mixing possibilties (including EQ) on the above mentionned devices. Cheers. Benoit: Pacemaker and ipod DJing will soon show their limitations to you; they're quite toylike gadgets and not at all robust; if you're serious about DJing, you'll want to (at least in the future at some point) buy more serious equipment than either of those 2 options. I'll put in a vote for Traktor Scratch Pro; you can use digital files of all types, plus keep playing your vinyl and CDs without problems. If you already have a laptop, you're already set. If not, you can use Traktor Scratch Pro at home with your desktop until you buy a laptop. Hope this helps. Andrew np Dan Curtin--Beat Fiend (Mobilee 047) -- Andrew Duke In The Mix weekly mixshow (est. 1987), excl. DJ mixes, PAs, interviews: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/AndrewDukeInTheMix.html sound design and music content provider: http://cognitionaudioworks.com/sounddesignandmusic.html http://myspace.com/andrewduke http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1614666166 Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks 57 Hastings Drive Dartmouth NS Canada B2Y 2C7
Re: (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
Pacemaker and ipod DJing will soon show their limitations to you; they're quite toylike gadgets and not at all robust; I understand (for a gig use), however to me these devices are not more fragile than a laptop. I know they are gadgets but dont they fit to 'ocasionnaly' play mp3s in gigs ? Good solution 1 : why dont all these CDJs dont have an usb dock to plug media storage device ? I'll put in a vote for Traktor Scratch Pro; Well you know there are some parties you dont have time un plug decks, plus scratch amp and replug everything onto the mixer. If you headline some big gig, the promoter will care of that before. But small and/or private parties are not like that. Sometimes you just arrive and have to play just after the previous dj. Good solution 2 : why most standard club mixers (i mean very expansive) dont have a soundcard allowing to control traktor vith cd/vinyl just by plugging a laptop on them (i think xone 3d does that) ? At the moment no perfect solution. -- Benoît.
Re: (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
Well, in either case: all manufacturers aren't going to include docking stations in all of their products as it'll increase the basic costs for users who might not need those features (many mixers don't have XLR outputs, some don't have 1/4 mono pairs, etc). The type of device you're looking for for occasionally incorporating an mp3 into a set would be a pretty different requirement from one you would be using on a regular basis. And finally, more and more often scratch amps, etc, are getting broader use, so if you're into that sort of thing there are more and more instances where they will already be provided and hooked up, so that you can just bring your computer, or maybe even just your hard drive. Depends on where and with whom you perform, of course. your mileage may vary. m50 At 2009.01.21 14:19, Benoît Pueyo wrote: Pacemaker and ipod DJing will soon show their limitations to you; they're quite toylike gadgets and not at all robust; I understand (for a gig use), however to me these devices are not more fragile than a laptop. I know they are gadgets but dont they fit to 'ocasionnaly' play mp3s in gigs ? Good solution 1 : why dont all these CDJs dont have an usb dock to plug media storage device ? I'll put in a vote for Traktor Scratch Pro; Well you know there are some parties you dont have time un plug decks, plus scratch amp and replug everything onto the mixer. If you headline some big gig, the promoter will care of that before. But small and/or private parties are not like that. Sometimes you just arrive and have to play just after the previous dj. Good solution 2 : why most standard club mixers (i mean very expansive) dont have a soundcard allowing to control traktor vith cd/vinyl just by plugging a laptop on them (i think xone 3d does that) ? At the moment no perfect solution. -- Benoît.
Re: (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
I'm of the philosophy that you should never go to a gig without everything you need to plug directly into any sound system you might encounter. In my case that means I have a pair of 1/4 to XLR Male cables, so I can plug directly into the stage plug box, plus a stereo RCA cable and RCA-1/4 adapters. Buying your own DI boxes is a good investment if you need them because at most venues their XLR boxes get beat to hell. Oh and get a cable tester while you're at it ;-) On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 3:02 PM, m...@m50.net wrote: And finally, more and more often scratch amps, etc, are getting broader use, so if you're into that sort of thing there are more and more instances where they will already be provided and hooked up, so that you can just bring your computer, or maybe even just your hard drive. Depends on where and with whom you perform, of course. your mileage may vary.
(313) Re : (313) Pioneer, Technics, Pacemaker, Laptop ?
And what about the Pioneer vs Technics ? Ive not yet played on the Technics, but I can say that the Pioneer do 'touch' very different than vinyl even if they are as much easy to use as regular vinyl decks. Benoît.
