(313) Also Theo Parrish at RBMA
The KDJ post reminded me post this. http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/lecture-videos/theo_parrish__3_cheers_for_the_d Ravi
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the interviewer is Benji-B obv KDJ doesn't want to tell about his past and it's work that went uncredited so unlikely we'll ever know the details On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 4:10 AM, Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks new email address andrewdukecognit...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for the heads-up on this, Andy. Who's the interviewer and anyone know about what KDJ is referring to when he's talking about getting screwed over by other labels before he started doing things himself in 1992? Thanks. Andrew On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 3:14 PM, Andy Mitchell a...@yokoso.co.nz wrote: So Kenny Dixon Jr turned up to his Red Bull Music Academy lecture in London with an entrourage of females, who poured Hennessy and braided his hair while Kenny provided a lyrical fountain of soundbites, ghetto rhetoric and fresh-from-the-streets realness: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/blog/?id=1336 This 1:33 YouTube teaser alone is worth the price of admission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_PzInGTCA -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
(313) Partial DEMF lineup
Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman – Live (Saturday) Inner City – Live (Sunday) Model 500 – Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions – Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
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Heh -- let the hating begin ;-) It looks like I for one will find enough to keep me busy. Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. I'm hoping M500 live has happened enough times they won't trip up. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.com wrote: Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman – Live (Saturday) Inner City – Live (Sunday) Model 500 – Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions – Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
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Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. Well he is rehearsing, Check the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkJEOsDyV0 (Plastikman Teknik Rehearsal, March 1-4, Mannheim, Germany) -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 10 maart 2010 16:02 Aan: John Sokolowski CC: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup Heh -- let the hating begin ;-) It looks like I for one will find enough to keep me busy. Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. I'm hoping M500 live has happened enough times they won't trip up. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.com wrote: Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman - Live (Saturday) Inner City - Live (Sunday) Model 500 - Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions - Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren en verhuren. We zetten ons in voor de leefbaarheid in de breedste zin van het woord.
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Hah, so he's putting something together using Ableton Live, Max For Live AND Plogue Bidule. And he wants to control the video along with the audio. Nothing could ever go wrong with that -- outdoors, at night with possible weather complications, right? Was I the only one who got the e-mail from Minus saying Hey video artists -- send us your work to use in our live show! For free! ? I'm all for cutting edge technology and trying new things, but I'd have to say that very little that Richie does moves me. He puts together these complicated Inspector Gadget setups and then ... unleashes hours of boring techno too mnml for vowels. Give me a good DJ with a record box and a mixer with no effects any day. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote: Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. Well he is rehearsing, Check the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkJEOsDyV0 (Plastikman Teknik Rehearsal, March 1-4, Mannheim, Germany)
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It's about the DEMF lineup not about Hawtin bashing... -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: kent williams [mailto:chaircrus...@gmail.com] Verzonden: woensdag 10 maart 2010 16:26 Aan: Martijn de Blaauw CC: John Sokolowski; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup Hah, so he's putting something together using Ableton Live, Max For Live AND Plogue Bidule. And he wants to control the video along with the audio. Nothing could ever go wrong with that -- outdoors, at night with possible weather complications, right? Was I the only one who got the e-mail from Minus saying Hey video artists -- send us your work to use in our live show! For free! ? I'm all for cutting edge technology and trying new things, but I'd have to say that very little that Richie does moves me. He puts together these complicated Inspector Gadget setups and then ... unleashes hours of boring techno too mnml for vowels. Give me a good DJ with a record box and a mixer with no effects any day. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote: Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. Well he is rehearsing, Check the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkJEOsDyV0 (Plastikman Teknik Rehearsal, March 1-4, Mannheim, Germany) Woningcorporatie Woonconcept zorgt voor veilige woonruimte van goede kwaliteit voor mensen, die daar zelfstandig niet in kunnen voorzien. En wij doen meer dan bouwen, zorgvuldig beheren en verhuren. We zetten ons in voor de leefbaarheid in de breedste zin van het woord.
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Richie uses 3 Jazzmutant lemurs, Max 4 Live and made with the Touchdesigner 077 software... at least that is what i heard (and Ableton Live of course) KJ On 10 mrt 2010, at 16:26, kent williams wrote: Hah, so he's putting something together using Ableton Live, Max For Live AND Plogue Bidule. And he wants to control the video along with the audio. Nothing could ever go wrong with that -- outdoors, at night with possible weather complications, right? Was I the only one who got the e-mail from Minus saying Hey video artists -- send us your work to use in our live show! For free! ? I'm all for cutting edge technology and trying new things, but I'd have to say that very little that Richie does moves me. He puts together these complicated Inspector Gadget setups and then ... unleashes hours of boring techno too mnml for vowels. Give me a good DJ with a record box and a mixer with no effects any day. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote: Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. Well he is rehearsing, Check the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkJEOsDyV0 (Plastikman Teknik Rehearsal, March 1-4, Mannheim, Germany)
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Hah, there's always time for Hawtin bashing. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:29 AM, Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote: It's about the DEMF lineup not about Hawtin bashing...
Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup
On 10 Mar 2010, at 15:47, kent williams wrote: Hah, there's always time for Hawtin bashing. Nah, it's really boring now. I'm glad he's making an effort to do something with technology. m
RE: (313) Partial DEMF lineup
Er, leaving Mr. H to one side for a mo, I think the rest of it looks better than the last few. There seems a significant increase in Detroit artists. Before people get on with finding fault with it, it seems they've listened to a certain extent. -Original Message- From: John Sokolowski [mailto:jrsokolow...@hotmail.com] Sent: 10 March 2010 14:54 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Partial DEMF lineup Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman - Live (Saturday) Inner City - Live (Sunday) Model 500 - Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions - Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
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Yeah, as I said I liked most of the line-up, and didn't really want to start a Hawtin-bshing thread. But I'm human and I have a weakness for sniping at targets of opportunity.
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On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 10:26 AM, kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com wrote: Hah, so he's putting something together using Ableton Live, Max For Live AND Plogue Bidule. And he wants to control the video along with the audio. this is NOT plastikman and instead such a huge disappointment, but hardly surprising. i was still holding out hope that when he said plastikman he meant 909s and 303s and other vintage analog hardware. peace, frank dj mix archive: http://www.deejaycountzero.com
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Love this post. Thanks Kent! I think the list is looking better than the past couple of years. I for one will be glad to head back for this based on this tentative list. Peace, Alex - Original Message From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com To: Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl Cc: John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.com; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 10:26:06 AM Subject: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup Hah, so he's putting something together using Ableton Live, Max For Live AND Plogue Bidule. And he wants to control the video along with the audio. Nothing could ever go wrong with that -- outdoors, at night with possible weather complications, right? Was I the only one who got the e-mail from Minus saying Hey video artists -- send us your work to use in our live show! For free! ? I'm all for cutting edge technology and trying new things, but I'd have to say that very little that Richie does moves me. He puts together these complicated Inspector Gadget setups and then ... unleashes hours of boring techno too mnml for vowels. Give me a good DJ with a record box and a mixer with no effects any day. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Martijn de Blaauw martijn.de.bla...@woonconcept.nl wrote: Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. Well he is rehearsing, Check the vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AkJEOsDyV0 (Plastikman Teknik Rehearsal, March 1-4, Mannheim, Germany)
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As a young child growing up in Windsor, reading the writings of Friedrich Nietzsche, Plastikman took to heart the idea of performing live as to live dangerously. telepathic regards, the acid didj - Original Message - From: kent williams chaircrus...@gmail.com To: list 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 11:02:30 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup Yeah, as I said I liked most of the line-up, and didn't really want to start a Hawtin-bshing thread. But I'm human and I have a weakness for sniping at targets of opportunity.
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Definitely glad to see a good representation of Detroit artists, Chicago house and the Chain Reaction/Rhythm Sound camp. Although, this seems to lack the Carl Craig imprint I was expecting. Not really complaining though! From: chaircrus...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:01:51 -0600 Subject: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup To: jrsokolow...@hotmail.com CC: 313@hyperreal.org Heh -- let the hating begin ;-) It looks like I for one will find enough to keep me busy. Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. I'm hoping M500 live has happened enough times they won't trip up. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Sokolowski wrote: Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman – Live (Saturday) Inner City – Live (Sunday) Model 500 – Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions – Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
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I think it looks decent for sure. Larry Heard! I'm siked for Hudson Mohawke too, DMC champion at age 14 (and I dig his records). I agree that there isn't as much of C2 influence as I'd hoped, but maybe more musical acts will be forthcoming (not that there's is a total lack now)...not that C2 seems to be focusing on that sort of stuff much these days, Planet E has gone pretty kleub. I have no idea what Plastikman live will sound like, I'm open to it though. Sure thought it was godawful the last time he was a headliner, boom boom boom OK I'm going home. Hoping to go.. JT On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 11:32 AM, John Sokolowski jrsokolow...@hotmail.com wrote: Definitely glad to see a good representation of Detroit artists, Chicago house and the Chain Reaction/Rhythm Sound camp. Although, this seems to lack the Carl Craig imprint I was expecting. Not really complaining though! From: chaircrus...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 09:01:51 -0600 Subject: Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup To: jrsokolow...@hotmail.com CC: 313@hyperreal.org Heh -- let the hating begin ;-) It looks like I for one will find enough to keep me busy. Let me be the first to predict that there will be technical difficulties that delay the start of the Plastikman set. I'm hoping M500 live has happened enough times they won't trip up. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 8:53 AM, John Sokolowski wrote: Movement 2010 Main Stage Headliners Richie Hawtin presents Plastikman – Live (Saturday) Inner City – Live (Sunday) Model 500 – Live (Monday) Movement 2010 Lineup (Partial Listing) Acid Didj Agoria Anthony Shake Shakir A-Trak Cassy Chris Liebing Claude VonStroke Dan Bain Derrick Carter Dj Dick Dj Godfather Dj Hype Dj Koze DJ Pierre DJ Sneak Francesco Tristano - Live Hudson Mohawke Ida Engberg ItaloBoyz Jamie Jones Jennifer Xerri Joel Mull Paco Osuna Phat Kat Guilty Simpson w/ Will Sessions – Live Pretty Lights - Live Punisher Radio Slave Recloose Rex Sepulveda Rick Wilhite Rob Hood - Live Rolando Ryan Crosson Scion - Live Secrets - Live Simian Mobile Disco Stacey Pullen StarskiClutch Theo Parish Woody Mcbride John Acquaviva John Johr Josh Wink Kenny Larkin - Live K-HAND Kid Sister - Live Kraak Smaak Kyle Hall Larry Heard Luke Hess - Live Magda Mark Ernestus (Rhythm Sound) Martin Buttrich - Live Martinez Bros Martyn Matthew Hawtin Michael Mayer Minx Mr. Scruff Onur Ozer _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/
Re: (313) KDJ at RBMA
Dont suppose anyone's got an mp4 version, which I can chuck on an ipod... good train journey fodder On 9 Mar 2010, at 19:14, Andy Mitchell wrote: So Kenny Dixon Jr turned up to his Red Bull Music Academy lecture in London with an entrourage of females, who poured Hennessy and braided his hair while Kenny provided a lyrical fountain of soundbites, ghetto rhetoric and fresh-from-the-streets realness: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/blog/?id=1336 This 1:33 YouTube teaser alone is worth the price of admission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_PzInGTCA
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Dont suppose anyone's got an mp4 version, which I can chuck on an ipod... good train journey fodder On 9 Mar 2010, at 19:14, Andy Mitchell wrote: So Kenny Dixon Jr turned up to his Red Bull Music Academy lecture in London with an entrourage of females, who poured Hennessy and braided his hair while Kenny provided a lyrical fountain of soundbites, ghetto rhetoric and fresh-from-the-streets realness: http://www.redbullmusicacademy.com/london/blog/?id=1336 This 1:33 YouTube teaser alone is worth the price of admission: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm_PzInGTCA
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Dont suppose anyone's got an mp4 version, which I can chuck on an ipod... good train journey fodder Ditto. They used to podcast these a few years back. I'm more of a train journey iPodder than an internet TV watcher...
(313) Croydon Is New Detroit
http://dontpaniconline.com/magazine/croydon-the-new-detroit Discuss. Heheheheheh. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
Re: (313) New Kirk Degiorgio on Planet E
I do really like the new KD on RH...way more interesting to my ears, guess it's just more my speed.. http://www.rushhour.nl/store_detailed.php?item=53088 On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:10 AM, David Powers cybo...@gmail.com wrote: I liked the underlying rhythm track and especially the synth line that runs under everything, but didn't like the little distorted acid hit that hits on the offbeat every two beats through the entire song.Unfortunately, when a song is this stripped down, it only takes one bad sound to ruin it for me. Also wasn't the biggest fan of the synth pad wash. Though I could have lived with it had that other sound not been there, I'd have liked it more if it was a little darker sounding. ~David On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Martin Dust mar...@dustscience.com wrote: On 3 Mar 2010, at 19:29, JT Stewart wrote: It's not bad or anything, but for KirkI it's pretty forgettable. I mean compared to : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idBNjSYsjaQ which like Icon part 2 or his old rb stuff http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2k9RP7hpns I really like it, it will work out on the floor that's for sure. m
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Thanks for the info, guys. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Andy Mitchell a...@yokoso.co.nz wrote: Dont suppose anyone's got an mp4 version, which I can chuck on an ipod... good train journey fodder Ditto. They used to podcast these a few years back. I'm more of a train journey iPodder than an internet TV watcher... -- http://soundcloud.com/andrewdukecognitionaudio http://myspace.com/andrewduke
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit
I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they were stars in their own right. The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. It may be the mark of the difference in size of the UK and American scene. Dance music probably has more fans in the UK than in the entire United States -- our big cities barely support one scene, let alone have new ones bubbling up from the underground every few weeks. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Robert Taylor rdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: http://dontpaniconline.com/magazine/croydon-the-new-detroit Discuss. Heheheheheh. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 #
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The new Detroit? Really??? Try as they might, it's not happening. SURE, you can recruit our producers, DJs, etc. SURE, you can use the same tools we use. But you DO NOT, WILL NOT or CANNOT embody the spirit that makes us what WE are. So, whatever you want to call it, you can be Detroit-ish, but you will NEVER EVER be DETROIT. And when the new genre of the year ultimately dies out, you best believe that WE WILL STILL BE HERE. Respectfully Real, Aaron-Carl On 3/10/2010 5:23 PM, kent williams wrote: I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they were stars in their own right. The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. It may be the mark of the difference in size of the UK and American scene. Dance music probably has more fans in the UK than in the entire United States -- our big cities barely support one scene, let alone have new ones bubbling up from the underground every few weeks. On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Robert Taylorrdtay...@channel4.co.uk wrote: http://dontpaniconline.com/magazine/croydon-the-new-detroit Discuss. Heheheheheh. # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmas...@channel4.co.uk Thank You. Channel Four Television Corporation, created by statute under English law, is at 124 Horseferry Road, London, SW1P 2TX . 4 Ventures Limited (Company No. 04106849), incorporated in England and Wales has its registered office at 124 Horseferry Road, London SW1P 2TX. VAT no: GB 626475817 # -- Aaron-Carl web: http://aaroncarl.com facebook: http://facebook.com/aaroncarl313 twitter: http://twitter.com/aaroncarl myspace: http://myspace.com/aaroncarl
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit
On 10/03/2010 22:23, kent williams wrote: I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they were stars in their own right. The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. The way I read it, he was saying that eclecticism and perpetual reinvention is precisely what makes dubstep (so far) like the early days of Detroit techno - that it is evolving very quickly, pulling in influences from all over the shop and is difficult to pin down. I think that's a fair point. If you listen to a lot of the best dubstep producers' DJ sets you'll find influences from all over the last 25 years and within the various styles of dubstep. Also, I think there's a misperception that it's just kids making this stuff. Untold has been producing since '93 according to this RA article: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1105 Not that I think the comparison can stretch for miles or that anyone should take it out of context. Ultimately, I'm just getting a bit irritated with people making more out of it than it is or of writing it off altogether. Whether it's to everyone's taste is one thing but I would hope it's evident that this isn't narrow or purely derivative. In my mind it's one of the more interesting things to happen in a long time precisely because it's not as narrow and codified as any of the previous big electronic music trends. It's almost the complete opposite. Tristan
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit
Cool that Shake posted a comment to the article acknowledging the funk. thanks, Jeffrey J. Davis President COO, AGY fon: +1.218.8332847 (21883DAVIS) fax: +1.803.643.4085 cel: +86.158.0184.9459 jeff.da...@agy.com / jeffrey.james.da...@gmail.com jeffrey.james.davis JeffreyJDavis On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Tristan Watkins phonop...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/03/2010 22:23, kent williams wrote: I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they were stars in their own right. The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. The way I read it, he was saying that eclecticism and perpetual reinvention is precisely what makes dubstep (so far) like the early days of Detroit techno - that it is evolving very quickly, pulling in influences from all over the shop and is difficult to pin down. I think that's a fair point. If you listen to a lot of the best dubstep producers' DJ sets you'll find influences from all over the last 25 years and within the various styles of dubstep. Also, I think there's a misperception that it's just kids making this stuff. Untold has been producing since '93 according to this RA article: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1105 Not that I think the comparison can stretch for miles or that anyone should take it out of context. Ultimately, I'm just getting a bit irritated with people making more out of it than it is or of writing it off altogether. Whether it's to everyone's taste is one thing but I would hope it's evident that this isn't narrow or purely derivative. In my mind it's one of the more interesting things to happen in a long time precisely because it's not as narrow and codified as any of the previous big electronic music trends. It's almost the complete opposite. Tristan
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit - Addendum
Before this gets out of hand, let me say this: Personally, I have no qualms about Dubstep. My response was not to be misconstrued as a bash dubstep post. HOWEVER, the part that really bothered me (and YES, I'm sensitive about it) is when someone classified it as The New Detroit. Eclecticism and perpetual reinvention? Absolutely. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I like dubstep. But here's something I'd like for you to acknowledge. People remember HEADLINES. Writers are basically taught to engage their readers with a powerful HEADLINE. And as a Detroit artist, that particular headline spoke volumes to ME. It said, in so many words, Detroit is dead. Out with the old, in with the new... And I guarantee you I'm not the ONLY Detroit artist who read it that way. Mind you, I could've simply dismissed the headline. But that's only worsening the problem. I have no problem with evolution -- in fact, it's how I SURVIVE. But SOMEBODY needed to step up and say to those who might see exactly what I saw in that headline, WE ARE STILL HERE. Detroit already has a bad reputation, to begin with. From the joke of a mayor we used to have, to having the dumbest kids in the nation, the LAST thing we need is somebody saying to a new generation of music listeners that Croydon -- or anywhere else -- is the New Detroit. A better headline could've compared Croydon's evolution to Detroit. But unlike what a lot of popular articles suggest, Detroit is NOT an adjective. Detroit is HOME. And when someone or something threatens YOUR home, it's only natural that you defend it... Aaron-Carl On 3/10/2010 7:49 PM, Jeffrey J Davis wrote: Cool that Shake posted a comment to the article acknowledging the funk. thanks, Jeffrey J. Davis President COO, AGY fon: +1.218.8332847 (21883DAVIS) fax: +1.803.643.4085 cel: +86.158.0184.9459 jeff.da...@agy.com / jeffrey.james.da...@gmail.com jeffrey.james.davis JeffreyJDavis On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Tristan Watkins phonop...@googlemail.com wrote: On 10/03/2010 22:23, kent williams wrote: I think the article makes some good points but mostly in the context of the UK, where musical sub-genres are written about as though they were stars in their own right. The Detroit attitude is, I'd hope, more eclectic, and the musicians I talk to think more in terms of good or bad than this genre or that genre. So I can talk with Alan Oldham about Creation Records Shoegazer bands, and with Shake about Cooly G. The way I read it, he was saying that eclecticism and perpetual reinvention is precisely what makes dubstep (so far) like the early days of Detroit techno - that it is evolving very quickly, pulling in influences from all over the shop and is difficult to pin down. I think that's a fair point. If you listen to a lot of the best dubstep producers' DJ sets you'll find influences from all over the last 25 years and within the various styles of dubstep. Also, I think there's a misperception that it's just kids making this stuff. Untold has been producing since '93 according to this RA article: http://www.residentadvisor.net/feature.aspx?1105 Not that I think the comparison can stretch for miles or that anyone should take it out of context. Ultimately, I'm just getting a bit irritated with people making more out of it than it is or of writing it off altogether. Whether it's to everyone's taste is one thing but I would hope it's evident that this isn't narrow or purely derivative. In my mind it's one of the more interesting things to happen in a long time precisely because it's not as narrow and codified as any of the previous big electronic music trends. It's almost the complete opposite. Tristan -- Aaron-Carl web: http://aaroncarl.com facebook: http://facebook.com/aaroncarl313 twitter: http://twitter.com/aaroncarl myspace: http://myspace.com/aaroncarl
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit - Addendum
Before this gets out of hand, let me say this: Personally, I have no qualms about Dubstep. My response was not to be misconstrued as a bash dubstep post. HOWEVER, the part that really bothered me (and YES, I'm sensitive about it) is when someone classified it as The New Detroit. Eclecticism and perpetual reinvention? Absolutely. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I like dubstep. But here's something I'd like for you to acknowledge. People remember HEADLINES. Writers are basically taught to engage their readers with a powerful HEADLINE. And as a Detroit artist, that particular headline spoke volumes to ME. It said, in so many words, Detroit is dead. Out with the old, in with the new... And I guarantee you I'm not the ONLY Detroit artist who read it that way. Mind you, I could've simply dismissed the headline. But that's only worsening the problem. I have no problem with evolution -- in fact, it's how I SURVIVE. But SOMEBODY needed to step up and say to those who might see exactly what I saw in that headline, WE ARE STILL HERE. Detroit already has a bad reputation, to begin with. From the joke of a mayor we used to have, to having the dumbest kids in the nation, the LAST thing we need is somebody saying to a new generation of music listeners that Croydon -- or anywhere else -- is the New Detroit. A better headline could've compared Croydon's evolution to Detroit. But unlike what a lot of popular articles suggest, Detroit is NOT an adjective. Detroit is HOME. And when someone or something threatens YOUR home, it's only natural that you defend it... Aaron-Carl All fair points, and it must get irritating watching people trade on Detroit's reputation without ever having lived there. As you say, it's the headline that's irritating and I guess I'm just numb to that these days, especially in music journalism, but I totally can see why you'd want to speak up about it. Cheers, Tristan
Re: (313) Partial DEMF lineup
Mark Ernestus Larry Heard The rest of list looks pretty decent so far for me. Looks like a good amount of house flavorings to go with the Techno, and that Basic Channel sound might be enough for me to make the trip this year. -Art
Re: (313) Croydon Is New Detroit - Addendum
Both British Music Press and a lot of UK artists namecheck Detroit as shorthand -- mentioning Detroit means you know your history, you're 'down,' you have some 'soul,' or at least you appreciate it. It goes back to pre-Acid House times, with the Northern Soul movement. On the one hand, soul is soul, and Detroit has a lot of it, and it has worldwide appeal. On the other hand, anyone can mumble Detroit innit and take credit for being more down 1than they deserve. I'm a tourist in Detroit, but I've had my car window bashed in downtown in Detroit while I was at a Planet E party, so that has to count for something ;-)
(313) Music advice (online)
Dear 313, So, I was looking for something interesting to listen to a few days ago and was really stuck. I needed advice which is why I turn to you. I was actually on the list many years ago (around 2002-05, I think), I do recognize some names who are still here. Anyway, since my departure I've swapped the rainy days in the UK for the constant 30 degree heat of Singapore. Unfortunately while the weather here is much better, the music scene... well, there is no (good) music scene. It's really very depressing. I realized the best way for me to locate some good music was to come back here and ask the friendly people of 313. I've been downloading the bleep podcasts, which are great. I've got a few beats in space ones also. Any important albums from the past 5 years I might have missed :) -Mike
