Re: New subscribers?

[Suzanne Heinrichs]

Hi there-
I've been lurking since the beginning of 313 (Morgan Geist's first post maybe?)

I love Detroit techno (and Detroit). I have a show on
intergalactic.fm's Dream Machine that usually features a track or two
from a Detroit artist. (I even got to check out the Packard Plant the
first time I went there in 1994!)

In my opinion, Drexciya and Detroit Escalator Co. made some of the
most beautiful music ever.

Love reading all your posts, and I'm super happy people are posting again.

-Suzanne

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:58 AM  wrote:
>
> “The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues etc 
> -- is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white -- to 
> support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money.  Remaining true 
> to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge, among all the 
> other challenges to being an artist.”
>
> Artists can bow down to the white dollar or make revolutionary art, huh. 
> Kenny Dixon seems to do both.
>
> White people are on our way out as a majority. So your old ways of thinking 
> won’t hold true in even five years, and they don’t hold true for many people 
> right now.
>
> Denise

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Reuben Wheeler]

So good, thanks for tip! Didn't come up on my bandcamp feed because I
follow the other account.

Was sorry to hear about the issues with Peacefrog but hopefully that has
been resolved now.
https://www.residentadvisor.net/news/42358?comments=1

Reuben

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 21:02, Manish Miglani 
wrote:

> Utterly beautiful.
>
> Thanks for sharing!
>
>
>
> Best,
>
>
>
> mm.
>
>
>
> *From: *Jason Brunton 
> *Date: *Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 2:59 PM
> *To: *kent williams 
> *Cc: *list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
> *Subject: *Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!
>
>
>
> Drums are fantastic on these tracks.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
>
> This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.
>
> https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn
>
>

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Manish Miglani]

Utterly beautiful.

Thanks for sharing!

 

Best,

 

mm.

 

From: Jason Brunton 
Date: Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 2:59 PM
To: kent williams 
Cc: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

 

Drums are fantastic on these tracks.

Sent from my iPhone


On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:

This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.

https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Jason Brunton]

Drums are fantastic on these tracks.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.
> 
> https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn

Re: 313 Digest 15 Oct 2018 03:21:49 -0000 Issue 4415

[Jason Brunton]

I know Bob, he’s working at Black Corporation with Roman on the Dekard’s Dream 
project

Sent from my iPhone

> On 15 Oct 2018, at 20:33, Arturo Lopez  wrote:
> 
> is Bob Rogue still on here? He's been in Tokyo for like 15 years now.  You 
> might know him from that super fancy "Deckard's Dream" polysynth that was out 
> last year. Great guy. 
> 
> -Arturo
> 
>> On Sun, Oct 14, 2018 at 11:23 PM <313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 313 Digest 15 Oct 2018 03:21:49 - Issue 4415
>> 
>> Topics (messages 105739 through 105739)
>> 
>> Any 313’ers from Tokyo on the list?
>> 105739 by: Patrick Wacher
>> 
>> Administrivia:
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Patrick Wacher 
>> To: "313@hyperreal.org" <313@hyperreal.org>
>> Cc: 
>> Bcc: 
>> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2018 20:23:25 -0700
>> Subject: Any 313’ers from Tokyo on the list?
>> Heading to Tokyo for a week on Thursday and wanted to check if there is 
>> anyone from Tokyo on the list?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Patrick. 

Re: 313 Digest 15 Oct 2018 03:21:49 -0000 Issue 4415

[edward thompson]

http://www.astrangelyisolatedplace.com/blog/2018/7/8/portals-stories-from-tokyo 



> On 16 Oct 2018, at 12:28 am, Patrick Wacher  wrote:
> 
> Bah! Now you have ruined me! ;)
> 
> It’s been 15 years since I was last at Technique and Disc Union, looking 
> forward to getting back in there and destroying my credit card. 
> 
> Sadly I’ll be missing a show by Mike & Jeff by 2 days :|. 
> 
> P. 
> 
> On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 2:35 AM edward thompson  > wrote:
> http://www.astrangelyisolatedplace.com/blog/2018/7/6/digging-in-japan-ten-of-tokyos-best-record-stores
>  
> 
> 
>> On 15 Oct 2018, at 2:21 pm, 313-digest-h...@hyperreal.org 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 313 Digest 15 Oct 2018 03:21:49 - Issue 4415
>> 
>> Topics (messages 105739 through 105739)
>> 
>> Any 313’ers from Tokyo on the list?
>>  105739 by: Patrick Wacher
>> 
>> Administrivia:
>> 
>> To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:
>>  313-digest-subscr...@hyperreal.org 
>> 
>> 
>> To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:
>>  313-digest-unsubscr...@hyperreal.org 
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>> 
>> To post to the list, e-mail:
>>  313@hyperreal.org 
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>> 
>> --
>> 
>> 
>> From: Patrick Wacher mailto:pwac...@gmail.com>>
>> Subject: Any 313’ers from Tokyo on the list?
>> Date: 15 October 2018 at 2:23:25 pm AEDT
>> To: "313@hyperreal.org " <313@hyperreal.org 
>> >
>> 
>> 
>> Heading to Tokyo for a week on Thursday and wanted to check if there is 
>> anyone from Tokyo on the list?
>> 
>> Thx,
>> Patrick. 
>> 
>> 
> 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

I didn’t say that Black people would be, should be, or are offended. Read my 
original statements. I’m confused by your rage. Better yet, you’re confused by 
your rage. 

Denise





> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:33, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel that 
> it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the 
> synonyms being a match. 
> 
> Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose 
> from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles” is 
> precisely what she’s guilty of:
> 
> https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams  
>> wrote:
>> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List 
>> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me 
>> say this:
>> 
>> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.  
>> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions 
>> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>> 
>> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> Agreed,
>>> 
>>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just 
>>> as much as actual racist views/comments. 
>>> 
>>> Next subject? 邏
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com  
 wrote:
 Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue 
 Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
 
 ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, 
 massive respect, nuff said 
 
 Jason
 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams  
> wrote:
> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's 
> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs 
> (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
> 
> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 
> years ago?
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>> > 
>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and 
>> > measured response in situations like this.
>> > 
>> 
>> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Even though English is my second language I just looked it up and I feel
that it was an accurate description of her intentions based on >50% of the
synonyms being a match.

Could I have used another word?  Sure, there are many synonyms to choose
from.  I think “not being fair” and “not applying proper moral principles”
is precisely what she’s guilty of:

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS761US761=en-US=_KnQW9COIdrB0PEPjLmWgAM=false=unscrupulous=uns_l=mobile-gws-wiz-serp.1.0.35i39j0i131l2j46i20i264j0i131.3280.5506..6457...1.0..3.502.2111.0j9j1j5-1..01...5..0j0i71j0i10j46i39j0i131i20i264.72dD2dpqNVQ




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:19 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List
> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let
> me say this:
>
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.
> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions
> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>
> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Agreed,
>>
>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out
>> just as much as actual racist views/comments.
>>
>> Next subject? 邏
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon
>>> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>>
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>>> massive respect, nuff said
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good.
 He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs
 (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.

 I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
 years ago?

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
 wrote:

>
> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> >
> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
> measured response in situations like this.
> >
>
> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Yeah ok, and based on popular opinion Lil’ Wayne is the best rapper.

Again, name one black person here that was offended by the video...still
waiting ;)

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 10:20 AM  wrote:

> Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on
> research.
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:18, kent williams  wrote:
>
> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List
> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let
> me say this:
>
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.
> And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions
> and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
>
> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Agreed,
>>
>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out
>> just as much as actual racist views/comments.
>>
>> Next subject? 邏
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon
>>> Avenue Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>>
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>>> massive respect, nuff said
>>>
>>> Jason
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good.
 He's still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs
 (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.

 I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
 years ago?

 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
 wrote:

>
> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> >
> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
> measured response in situations like this.
> >
>
> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

Denise’s opinions are widely shared around the world and are based on research. 



> On Oct 24, 2018, at 13:18, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List 
> Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let me 
> say this:
> 
> I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.  And 
> in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions and you 
> can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.
> 
> To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>> Agreed,
>> 
>> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just 
>> as much as actual racist views/comments. 
>> 
>> Next subject? 邏
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com  wrote:
>>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue 
>>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>> 
>>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, 
>>> massive respect, nuff said 
>>> 
>>> Jason
>>> 
 On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
 Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's 
 still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs 
 (aren't we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
 
 I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years 
 ago?
 
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust  
> wrote:
> 
> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> > 
> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured 
> > response in situations like this.
> > 
> 
> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[kent williams]

I think it's fine to disagree, even to argue, but putting on my 313 List
Administrator Crown and picking up my 313 List Administrator Sceptre, let
me say this:

I think that calling other list members 'unscrupulous' is over the line.
And in this particular case, patently absurd.  Denise has strong opinions
and you can argue about them all you want, but she is not unscrupulous.

To quote Inigo Montoya,  "I do not think it means what you think it means."


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:03 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Agreed,
>
> However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just
> as much as actual racist views/comments.
>
> Next subject? 邏
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>
>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>> massive respect, nuff said
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>>> years ago?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
 >
 > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
 measured response in situations like this.
 >

 Proper LOL
>>>
>>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Eamonn Doyle]

All still well here in Dublin Jason..   been too long !
E 



> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:58, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> 
> Heh, they're all coming out of the woodwork today!
> 
> Alrighty Eamonn?
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:55, Eamonn Doyle mailto:d...@d1.ie>> 
> wrote:
> http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> 
> Probably the most exhaustively researched site / blog about all things 
> Drexciya out there -  [caution: written by a white Irish guy] 
> 
> http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Eamonn Doyle
> 
> D1 Recordings, Dublin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:48, ja...@iridite.com  wrote:
>> 
>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue 
>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>> 
>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, 
>> massive respect, nuff said 
>> 
>> Jason
>> 
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams > > wrote:
>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's 
>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't 
>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>> 
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years 
>> ago?
>> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust > > wrote:
>> 
>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured 
>> > response in situations like this.
>> > 
>> 
>> Proper LOL
> 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Agreed,

However I do feel that unscrupulous race-baiting should be called out just
as much as actual racist views/comments.

Next subject? 邏



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:48 AM ja...@iridite.com  wrote:

> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
> massive respect, nuff said
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>> years ago?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Proper LOL
>>
>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[jwan allen]

The record still bangs.

and as for me being mad, or offended.


hm how do I say this. First pardon my crassness:

When as a black man in america, has getting mad about how two allies
perceived a beef/misunderstanding about some black shit between themselves
ever done anything for me...ever.

When I see Denise or Joe in whatever capacity in the near or distant
future. I'll dap  em up.

The end.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:52 PM Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> The only drama I want in my life is this:
>
> https://www.discogs.com/HM-Drama-EP/release/6784
>
>
>
> On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 17:48 ja...@iridite.com,  wrote:
>
>> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
>> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>>
>> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
>> massive respect, nuff said
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>>
>>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>>> years ago?
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>>> wrote:
>>>

 > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
 >
 > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
 measured response in situations like this.
 >

 Proper LOL
>>>
>>>

-- 
Technoir Audio
Broken Planet

"dealing with your imperfect world"

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[ja...@iridite.com]

Heh, they're all coming out of the woodwork today!

Alrighty Eamonn?

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:55, Eamonn Doyle  wrote:

> http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/
>
> Probably the most exhaustively researched site / blog about all things
> Drexciya out there -  *[caution: written by a white Irish guy]*
>
> http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Eamonn Doyle
>
> D1 Recordings, Dublin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:48, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>
> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
> massive respect, nuff said
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>> years ago?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Proper LOL
>>
>>
>

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Robin Pinning]

That is beautiful (as we’d all have expected). Good heads up Kent.

Robin

> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.
> 
> https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Eamonn Doyle]

http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ 


Probably the most exhaustively researched site / blog about all things Drexciya 
out there -  [caution: written by a white Irish guy] 

http://drexciyaresearchlab.blogspot.com/ 







Eamonn Doyle

D1 Recordings, Dublin








> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:48, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> 
> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue 
> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
> 
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love, 
> massive respect, nuff said 
> 
> Jason
> 
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams  > wrote:
> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's 
> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't 
> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
> 
> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years 
> ago?
> 
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust  > wrote:
> 
> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured 
> > response in situations like this.
> > 
> 
> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Aidan O'Doherty]

The only drama I want in my life is this:

https://www.discogs.com/HM-Drama-EP/release/6784



On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 17:48 ja...@iridite.com,  wrote:

> Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
> Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)
>
> ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
> massive respect, nuff said
>
> Jason
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams 
> wrote:
>
>> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
>> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
>> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>>
>> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15
>> years ago?
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and
>>> measured response in situations like this.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Proper LOL
>>
>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[ja...@iridite.com]

Heh - you obviously weren't part of our.discussion about Dixon Avenue
Basement Jams a year or so ago on Facebook :)

ANYWAYlet's move off the insta-drama and on to the music..much love,
massive respect, nuff said

Jason

On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:

> Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
> still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
> we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.
>
> I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years
> ago?
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
>> response in situations like this.
>> >
>>
>> Proper LOL
>
>

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Aidan O'Doherty]

Yep, trust John Beltran to calm us all down. Classic Beltran right there.

On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 17:42 kent williams,  wrote:

> This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.
>
> https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn
>

Re: OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[Eamonn Doyle]

Sounds great thanks Kent !
Eamonn / D1





> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:42, kent williams  wrote:
> 
> This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.
> 
> https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn 
> 

OMG OMG NEW JOHN BELTRAN!!!

[kent williams]

This is absolutely lovely, send the man your money.

https://johnbeltranmusic.bandcamp.com/album/the-season-series-ep-autumn

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[kent williams]

Tom Cox got the fuck out of the 313 list when the getting was good. He's
still as opinionated as ever, still doing battle with the sucka MCs (aren't
we all?), but I think he mostly stays out of trouble these days.

I'm trying to remember when he posted to 313 last. Something like 15 years
ago?

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 11:38 AM Martin Dust  wrote:

>
> > On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> >
> > Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
> response in situations like this.
> >
>
> Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[jwan allen]

I was glad I wasn't drinking coffee at that very moment.

My screen would've been covered.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:41 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Bring on Tom! 藍
>
> Were you offended Jwan?  Kevin?  Anyone?
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM jwan allen  wrote:
>
>> HA!
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
>>> response in situations like this.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty <
>>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
 we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac

 Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
 have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
 are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
 are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
 It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
 that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
 if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
 not doing it.

 I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if
 they had actually considered this.

 Thanks,
 Aidan

 On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:

> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how
> all this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white
> list! WTF
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew
> racist views like you do.
>
> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been
> trying to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the
> team with this approach.
>
> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be
> happy that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who
> Drexciya is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s
>> past contributions to this listserv.
>>
>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>> talking about?
>>
>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive
>> white woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>
>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>
>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything
>> in a certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long 
>> as
>> it was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a
>> problem with it.
>>
>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to
>> lead the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they
>> target look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or
>> mine.
>>
>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released
>> and hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved 
>> artists
>> you have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>
>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t
>> make something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards 
>> MORE
>> white people (their audience).
>>
>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re
>> trying to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you 
>> didn’t
>> make it??
>>
>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
>> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>>
>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it
>> isn’t filet mignon.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond <
>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing 
>>> that
>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go 
>>> on!
>>>
>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted
>>> the video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? 
>>> It's
>>> off putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Bring on Tom! 藍

Were you offended Jwan?  Kevin?  Anyone?




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 9:38 AM jwan allen  wrote:

> HA!
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
>> response in situations like this.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
>>> we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac
>>>
>>> Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
>>> have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
>>> are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
>>> are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
>>> It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
>>> that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
>>> if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
>>> not doing it.
>>>
>>> I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if
>>> they had actually considered this.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Aidan
>>>
>>> On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:
>>>
 What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
 this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
 WTF

 On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew
 racist views like you do.

 Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been
 trying to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the
 team with this approach.

 Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
 that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
 is and maybe even bought a release or two.




 On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:

> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s
> past contributions to this listserv.
>
> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
> talking about?
>
> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive
> white woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>
> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>
> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything
> in a certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long 
> as
> it was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a
> problem with it.
>
> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they 
> target
> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>
> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released
> and hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists
> you have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>
> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
> white people (their audience).
>
> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re
> trying to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t
> make it??
>
> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>
> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it
> isn’t filet mignon.
>
> Pathetic.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond <
> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing 
>> that
>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>
>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>> the colonizer.
>>
>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually
>> all the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>
>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe,
>> 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[jwan allen]

HA!


On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 12:36 PM ja...@iridite.com 
wrote:

> Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
> response in situations like this.
>
>
>
> On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty 
> wrote:
>
>> Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
>> we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac
>>
>> Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
>> have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
>> are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
>> are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
>> It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
>> that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
>> if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
>> not doing it.
>>
>> I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if they
>> had actually considered this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Aidan
>>
>> On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:
>>
>>> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
>>> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
>>> WTF
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew
>>> racist views like you do.
>>>
>>> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying
>>> to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team
>>> with this approach.
>>>
>>> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
>>> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
>>> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s
 past contributions to this listserv.

 Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?


 Denise






 On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:

 Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
 talking about?

 That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
 woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?

 Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:

 - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in
 a certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
 was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
 with it.

 - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
 the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
 look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.

 - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
 hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
 have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.

 - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
 something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
 white people (their audience).

 - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying
 to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make
 it??

 The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
 without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.

 That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
 filet mignon.

 Pathetic.



 On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond <
 denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>
> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
> the colonizer.
>
> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually
> all the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>
> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>
> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>
> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Martin Dust]

> On 24 Oct 2018, at 17:36, ja...@iridite.com wrote:
> 
> Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured 
> response in situations like this.
> 

Proper LOL

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[ja...@iridite.com]

Where's Tom Cox when you need him?  He's always got a calm and measured
response in situations like this.



On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 17:18, Aidan O'Doherty 
wrote:

> Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
> we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac
>
> Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
> have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
> are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
> are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
> It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
> that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
> if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
> not doing it.
>
> I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if they
> had actually considered this.
>
> Thanks,
> Aidan
>
> On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:
>
>> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
>> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
>> WTF
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew
>> racist views like you do.
>>
>> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying
>> to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team
>> with this approach.
>>
>> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
>> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
>> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
>>> contributions to this listserv.
>>>
>>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>>> talking about?
>>>
>>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
>>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>>
>>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>>
>>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in
>>> a certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
>>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
>>> with it.
>>>
>>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
>>> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
>>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>>>
>>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
>>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
>>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>>
>>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
>>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
>>> white people (their audience).
>>>
>>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying
>>> to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make
>>> it??
>>>
>>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
>>> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>>>
>>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
>>> filet mignon.
>>>
>>> Pathetic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond <
>>> denisedalph...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
 Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
 Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!

 Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
 video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
 putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
 brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
 the colonizer.

 Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually
 all the way super duper is all about race and racism.

 And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
 birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.

 Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
 protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.

 Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask
 John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans 
 alike.



 Denise



 *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
 *ethnomusicologist*

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Aidan O'Doherty]

Ladies and gentlemen, we've only got the band back together and already
we're squabbling worse than Fleetwood Mac

Denise, Moxie is RA's go-to-person to narrate their docs. Yes, it would
have been better if they had used a Detroit native and artist, but there
are a myriad of reasons why that isn't the case, none of which I would say
are racist. The most obvious one is that they probably never thought of it.
It is a great idea and it's a pity - Stingray would have been perfect -
that it didn't happen, as it would add extra legitimacy to the project. And
if you mentioned it to RA heads, they would probably kick themselves for
not doing it.

I can actually ask someone if you want, who is an employee at RA, if they
had actually considered this.

Thanks,
Aidan

On Wed 24 Oct 2018, 16:59 ,  wrote:

> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
> WTF
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist
> views like you do.
>
> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying
> to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team
> with this approach.
>
> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
>> contributions to this listserv.
>>
>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>> talking about?
>>
>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>
>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>
>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
>> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
>> with it.
>>
>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
>> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>>
>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>
>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
>> white people (their audience).
>>
>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying
>> to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make
>> it??
>>
>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
>> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>>
>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
>> filet mignon.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>>
>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>>> the colonizer.
>>>
>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
>>> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>>
>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
>>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>>>
>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
>>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>>>
>>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask
>>> John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
 video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
 behind Drexciya.

 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Name one who was fucking offended by the video??

Go ahead, I’ll wait...

Your ignorance is truly astonishing.

That video was dope, informative and above all RESPECTFUL.

I suppose my “way of thinking” hasn’t caught up to me yet because I’m still
tight with my D peeps.  I put out records with and stay at Wilhite’s place
when in town, Atkins would stay at my house back in the day when I’d bring
him out to LA and Kenny personally walked me into Soul Skate last Movement
weekend.

For some reason they don’t give a fuck about all this but YOU do.

The only thing that comes close is my man Mike Grant taking issue with
white European artists using black artwork and artist names on their
releases. I think we can all agree that sucks.



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:59 AM  wrote:

> What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all
> this old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list!
> WTF
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist
> views like you do.
>
> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying
> to point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team
> with this approach.
>
> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
> that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
> is and maybe even bought a release or two.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>
>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
>> contributions to this listserv.
>>
>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
>> talking about?
>>
>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>
>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>
>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
>> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
>> with it.
>>
>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead
>> the video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>>
>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>
>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
>> white people (their audience).
>>
>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying
>> to make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make
>> it??
>>
>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
>> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>>
>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
>> filet mignon.
>>
>> Pathetic.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
>>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>>
>>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>>> the colonizer.
>>>
>>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
>>> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>>
>>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
>>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>>>
>>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
>>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>>>
>>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask
>>> John Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Denise
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>>> *ethnomusicologist*
>>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
 video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
 behind Drexciya.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8

 includes 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

What about people of color who are on this list? You don’t know how all this 
old man thinking could be making anyone feel. It’s not a white list! WTF 

> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:58, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist 
> views like you do.  
> 
> Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying to 
> point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team with 
> this approach. 
> 
> Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy that 
> maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya is and 
> maybe even bought a release or two. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:
>> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past 
>> contributions to this listserv. 
>> 
>> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>> 
>> 
>> Denise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you 
>>> talking about?  
>>> 
>>> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white 
>>> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>>> 
>>> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>>> 
>>> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a 
>>> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it 
>>> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem 
>>> with it. 
>>> 
>>> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the 
>>> video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target 
>>> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine. 
>>> 
>>> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and 
>>> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you 
>>> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>>> 
>>> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make 
>>> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE 
>>> white people (their audience).  
>>> 
>>> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to 
>>> make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??
>>> 
>>> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without 
>>> asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle. 
>>> 
>>> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t 
>>> filet mignon.  
>>> 
>>> Pathetic. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond  
 wrote:
 I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James 
 Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that 
 Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
 
 Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the 
 video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off 
 putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of 
 brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from 
 the colonizer. 
 
 Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all 
 the way super duper is all about race and racism. 
 
 And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the 
 birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot. 
 
 Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and 
 protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. 
 
 Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John 
 Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
 
 
 
 Denise
 
 
 
 Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
 ethnomusicologist
 schoolcraftwax.work
 
 
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis  wrote:
> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
> behind Drexciya.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
> 
> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
> 
> 
> thanks,
> 
> Jeffrey J Davis
> 
> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
> 
> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
> 
> 218.833.2847

Re: New subscribers?

[denisedalphond]

“The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues etc -- 
is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white -- to 
support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money.  Remaining true 
to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge, among all the other 
challenges to being an artist.”

Artists can bow down to the white dollar or make revolutionary art, huh. Kenny 
Dixon seems to do both. 

White people are on our way out as a majority. So your old ways of thinking 
won’t hold true in even five years, and they don’t hold true for many people 
right now. 

Denise 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

I’m saying I’d rather continue to not post much at all than to spew racist
views like you do.

Apparently you’re not getting the hint from others that have been trying to
point this out to you more respectfully so I’ll take one for the team with
this approach.

Couldn’t care less what you think of me.  Grow the fuck up and be happy
that maybe at least a handful of “racist white folks” now know who Drexciya
is and maybe even bought a release or two.




On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 8:50 AM  wrote:

> Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past
> contributions to this listserv.
>
> Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
> talking about?
>
> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
>
> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
>
> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
> was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
> with it.
>
> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the
> video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
> look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.
>
> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
>
> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
> white people (their audience).
>
> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to
> make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??
>
> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview
> without asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.
>
> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
> filet mignon.
>
> Pathetic.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
> wrote:
>
>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
>> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
>> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>>
>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
>> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
>> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
>> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
>> the colonizer.
>>
>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
>> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>>
>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>>
>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>>
>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John
>> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>>
>>
>>
>> Denise
>>
>>
>>
>> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
>> *ethnomusicologist*
>> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
>>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
>>> behind Drexciya.
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
>>>
>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeffrey J Davis
>>>
>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
>>>
>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
>>>
>>> 218.833.2847
>>>
>>

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[denisedalphond]

Pathetic is one word that comes to mind when I recall Joe Marougi’s past 
contributions to this listserv. 

Are you sad that I’m smart or triggered by truth?


Denise






> On Oct 24, 2018, at 11:32, Joe Marougi  wrote:
> 
> Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you talking 
> about?  
> 
> That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white 
> woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?
> 
> Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:
> 
> - RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a 
> certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it was 
> done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem with 
> it. 
> 
> - Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the 
> video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target look 
> and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine. 
> 
> - Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and 
> hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you 
> have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.
> 
> - You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make 
> something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE white 
> people (their audience).   
> 
> - For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to 
> make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??
> 
> The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without 
> asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle. 
> 
> That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t filet 
> mignon.  
> 
> Pathetic. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond  
>> wrote:
>> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James Stinson 
>> still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that Andrew 
>> Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>> 
>> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the video, 
>> and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off putting. 
>> They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of brilliant, 
>> musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from the colonizer. 
>> 
>> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all the 
>> way super duper is all about race and racism. 
>> 
>> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the 
>> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot. 
>> 
>> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and 
>> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music. 
>> 
>> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John 
>> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Denise
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.
>> ethnomusicologist
>> schoolcraftwax.work
>> 
>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis  wrote:
>>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
>>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
>>> behind Drexciya.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
>>> 
>>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> thanks,
>>> 
>>> Jeffrey J Davis
>>> 
>>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
>>> 
>>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
>>> 
>>> 218.833.2847

Re: New subscribers?

[Joe Marougi]

Are we doing interdictions?  If so;

Greetings.  My name is Joe Marougi and my artist name is Joe Babylon.

I founded the Plug Research label back in 1994 with my friend and dj
partner Allen Avanessian.

I used to hire Detroit artists to play at parties in Los Angeles back in
the mid 90’s as an attempt to create more awareness for the sound (plus I
was a big fan so I enjoyed it).

I started another (vinyl) label in 2010 called Roundabout Sounds and have
put out releases/tracks/remixes with the likes of Wilhite, Wade, Huck,
Grant and the last ever track from Aaron-Carl.

“I’m very happy to be here!” (said in Prince Akeem’s voice)



On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 7:49 AM kent williams 
wrote:

> I don't think that the answer to the questions Denise raised is feeling
> bad about being white.  My own answer is to try and be conscious about how
> being a white person (in the US or Germany or wherever) means that you
> don't experience what people of color (and minority cultures/communities in
> general) live with, day to day.  Being a good ally (and this goes for men
> with respect to women, LGBTQIA+ as well) means listening, not centering
> yourself in the discourse, and above all, not being a schmuck.
>
> The vitality of Detroit Techno (and this is also true of Jazz and Blues,
> also original art forms that originated with people of color) is that even
> as a music by and for black people, it is about an inclusive world, a
> vision of what the world could be.  Personally, as a big dumb white guy, I
> have always cherished the welcome I've gotten in Detroit.  Techno comes
> from people of color, and there's a whole political and cultural context
> for it, but it has never been exclusionary.  The strong connection between
> musicians in Detroit and Berlin is an example of how this works.  And even
> the most Afrocentric people in techno, like Underground Resistance, has
> never been about excluding white people.  Mad Mike is famous for taking
> visitors from overseas and giving them the full Detroit Pride tour.
>
> As for a white woman narrating the Drexciya video, that's pretty far down
> my list of what's problematic about it.  For better or (often) worse, RA is
> a bunch of white people selling dance music to white people. That is the
> context of that narrator's voice.
>
> The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues
> etc -- is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white
> -- to support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money.
> Remaining true to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge,
> among all the other challenges to being an artist.
>
> And by blathering on in this forum, perhaps I'm violating my own
> prescription by centering myself.  So now I'll shut up.
>
> On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:45 AM Ronny Pries (rktic) 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello new'- and old'sters.
>>
>> Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart
>> from „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“
>>
>> The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You
>> know, I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my
>> personal experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again,
>> being a german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho.
>>
>> Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be
>> historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised
>> in economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight
>> or burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is
>> a tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most
>> respectful way possible.
>>
>> What I do have a personal experience with:
>> Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function,
>> showing good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means.
>> Getting a good whack of post-WW2 parenting.
>>
>> For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t
>> get it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno
>> was a strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and
>> feel. True freedom.
>>
>> So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural
>> background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?
>>
>> Just thinking out loud
>> Ronny
>>
>>
>>
>> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, <
>> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then
>>> all of a sudden loads of 313s arrive!
>>>
>>> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse
>>> for a very long time, until the last few days.
>>>
>>> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an
>>> electronic music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an
>>> extensive collection, mostly 

Re: Why Drexciya Took Detroit Electro Underwater

[Joe Marougi]

Wow Denise you must really be fun at parties.  What the hell are you
talking about?

That was an amazing video tribute to Drexciya and the “oppressive white
woman” was blowing them the whole time with mad props!?

Maybe you’re forgetting a few things:

- RA (or no one at all for that matter) are OBLIGATED to do anything in a
certain way.  Their money, their resources, their business. As long as it
was done with integrity and factual etc then there shouldn’t be a problem
with it.

- Apparenly they felt that the woman had the voice they wanted to lead the
video.  Umm, let’s see...maybe because the fucking AUDIENCE they target
look and sound like her??  And again, it’s their dime not yours or mine.

- Instead of being pumped that a documentary like this was released and
hopefully generated some more awareness for very well-deserved artists you
have to come in with your miserable take and try to shit on it.

- You’re the only racist here by saying that a white person can’t make
something about black people, especially when it’s geared towards MORE
white people (their audience).

- For fucks sake, this was a totally positive project and you’re trying to
make them out to be slave owners.  Are you jelly that you didn’t make it??

The only thing that sucks is if they used my man Andrew’s interview without
asking him, but that’s far from any sort of racial bias or angle.

That’s like someone starving being given food then complaining it isn’t
filet mignon.

Pathetic.



On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 7:06 AM Denise Dalphond 
wrote:

> I love Drexciya. And it's really cool to be able to hear from James
> Stinson still in 2018, thanks to Andrew Duke. And it's pretty amazing that
> Andrew Duke did that interview. It's a priceless artifact. I could go on!
>
> Resident Advisor didn't credit Andrew Duke when they first posted the
> video, and why is there a white woman's british voice narrating? It's off
> putting. They're using the voice of the colonizer to tell the story of
> brilliant, musical escape from enslavement and forced labor. Escape from
> the colonizer.
>
> Oh here goes Denise, making everything about race. But this actually all
> the way super duper is all about race and racism.
>
> And how much electronic music culture coverage is based in europe, the
> birthplace of imperialism and colonialism?  A lot.
>
> Music fans and writers should be more concerned about preserving and
> protecting and respecting the culture that made this music.
>
> Why didn't they ask Cornelius Harris to narrate? Why didn't they ask John
> Collins to narrate? That would be meaningful to artists and fans alike.
>
>
>
> Denise
>
>
>
> *Denise Dalphond, Ph.D.*
> *ethnomusicologist*
> *schoolcraftwax.work *
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:47 AM Jeff Davis  wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure most of you saw this already but I thought this short
>> video did a good job encapsulating and contextualizing the concepts
>> behind Drexciya.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgG-QiChiA8
>>
>> includes a snippet from an Andrew Duke interview as well!!
>>
>>
>> thanks,
>>
>> Jeffrey J Davis
>>
>> j...@jeffreyjdavis.com
>>
>> www.jeffreyjdavis.com
>>
>> 218.833.2847
>>
>

Re: New subscribers?

[kent williams]

I don't think that the answer to the questions Denise raised is feeling bad
about being white.  My own answer is to try and be conscious about how
being a white person (in the US or Germany or wherever) means that you
don't experience what people of color (and minority cultures/communities in
general) live with, day to day.  Being a good ally (and this goes for men
with respect to women, LGBTQIA+ as well) means listening, not centering
yourself in the discourse, and above all, not being a schmuck.

The vitality of Detroit Techno (and this is also true of Jazz and Blues,
also original art forms that originated with people of color) is that even
as a music by and for black people, it is about an inclusive world, a
vision of what the world could be.  Personally, as a big dumb white guy, I
have always cherished the welcome I've gotten in Detroit.  Techno comes
from people of color, and there's a whole political and cultural context
for it, but it has never been exclusionary.  The strong connection between
musicians in Detroit and Berlin is an example of how this works.  And even
the most Afrocentric people in techno, like Underground Resistance, has
never been about excluding white people.  Mad Mike is famous for taking
visitors from overseas and giving them the full Detroit Pride tour.

As for a white woman narrating the Drexciya video, that's pretty far down
my list of what's problematic about it.  For better or (often) worse, RA is
a bunch of white people selling dance music to white people. That is the
context of that narrator's voice.

The paradox of black cultural movements -- Techno, Hip Hop, Jazz, Blues etc
-- is that it is dependent on the majority culture -- i.e. mostly white --
to support it, because they are the ones with the numbers money.  Remaining
true to that culture without diluting it is always a challenge, among all
the other challenges to being an artist.

And by blathering on in this forum, perhaps I'm violating my own
prescription by centering myself.  So now I'll shut up.

On Wed, Oct 24, 2018 at 6:45 AM Ronny Pries (rktic) 
wrote:

> Hello new'- and old'sters.
>
> Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart from
> „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“
>
> The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You know,
> I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my personal
> experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again, being a
> german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho.
>
> Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be
> historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised
> in economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight
> or burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is
> a tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most
> respectful way possible.
>
> What I do have a personal experience with:
> Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function, showing
> good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means. Getting a
> good whack of post-WW2 parenting.
>
> For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t
> get it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno
> was a strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and
> feel. True freedom.
>
> So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural
> background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?
>
> Just thinking out loud
> Ronny
>
>
>
> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
>
> 
>
>
> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then
>> all of a sudden loads of 313s arrive!
>>
>> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse for
>> a very long time, until the last few days.
>>
>> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an
>> electronic music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an
>> extensive collection, mostly sold) and hobbyist DJ who loves a lot of
>> techno/house music that has and still comes out of Detroit or is clearly
>> inspired by the city.
>>
>> I have been on this list for 18 or 19 years and have never unsubscribed
>> despite the serious drought in content over the last few years.
>>
>> I am usually a lurker, therefore not aiding with content, but did inspire
>> a poll years ago (top five Detroit tracks) that Delsin's Marsel van der
>> Wielen put on the NoMoreWords site (everyone's individual choices were kept
>> there), which is gone now, or rather, transformed.
>>
>> Most of the communications on the list are civil (not always in the
>> past), don't remember much in the way of racism, but my memory could be
>> selective. Denise, feel free to call me a potato-eating, alcoholic Paddy
>> anytime you 

Re: New subscribers?

[ja...@iridite.com]

Hello everyone - my name is Jason, I'm from Glasgow and I've been on the
list since the 1990's (can't remember exactly when)

I produce music mostly under my own name and run a label focussing on
Glasgow based artists called Iridite - www.iridite.com

I also run a small store called Signal Sounds that concentrates on
electronic music production and Modular/Boutique synths in general
(Denisehit me up if you're even in Glasgow!!) - www.signalsounds.com

I still buy music but my available time to listen to is as close to zero as
makes no difference but I still love getting the odd recommendation from
here and I follow Kent's Bandcamp recommendations eagerly :)

cheers

Jason



On Wed, 24 Oct 2018 at 12:45, Ronny Pries (rktic) 
wrote:

> Hello new'- and old'sters.
>
> Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart from
> „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“
>
> The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You know,
> I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my personal
> experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again, being a
> german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho.
>
> Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be
> historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised
> in economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight
> or burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is
> a tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most
> respectful way possible.
>
> What I do have a personal experience with:
> Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function, showing
> good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means. Getting a
> good whack of post-WW2 parenting.
>
> For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t
> get it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno
> was a strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and
> feel. True freedom.
>
> So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural
> background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?
>
> Just thinking out loud
> Ronny
>
>
>
> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
>
> 
>
>
> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, <
> aidan.b.odohe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then
>> all of a sudden loads of 313s arrive!
>>
>> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse for
>> a very long time, until the last few days.
>>
>> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an
>> electronic music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an
>> extensive collection, mostly sold) and hobbyist DJ who loves a lot of
>> techno/house music that has and still comes out of Detroit or is clearly
>> inspired by the city.
>>
>> I have been on this list for 18 or 19 years and have never unsubscribed
>> despite the serious drought in content over the last few years.
>>
>> I am usually a lurker, therefore not aiding with content, but did inspire
>> a poll years ago (top five Detroit tracks) that Delsin's Marsel van der
>> Wielen put on the NoMoreWords site (everyone's individual choices were kept
>> there), which is gone now, or rather, transformed.
>>
>> Most of the communications on the list are civil (not always in the
>> past), don't remember much in the way of racism, but my memory could be
>> selective. Denise, feel free to call me a potato-eating, alcoholic Paddy
>> anytime you want, I won't be offended, because it's all true.
>>
>> Glad to see names popping up again that I haven't heard from in ages.
>>
>> Yours in music,
>> Aidan
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:02 ,  wrote:
>>
>>> Introductions.
>>>
>>> I’m Denise Dalphond. I wrote my dissertation on Detroit techno and house
>>> music in 2014 after spending three years doing research and conducting
>>> interviews with techno kings and queens in Detroit. I write about music and
>>> activism at schoolcraftwax.work. I’ve published a lot about Detroit
>>> electronic music. My CV is on my website.
>>>
>>> In 2006, I organized and led the Roots of Techno conference at Indiana
>>> University. Panelists were Theo Parrish, Terrence Parker, Rick Wilhite,
>>> Marcellus Pittman, Minx, Mike Clark, Cornelius Harris, and two rad people
>>> from the Detroit Historical Museum.
>>>
>>> The Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana University
>>> is where the video recordings of the conference are housed, as well as my
>>> research materials and interview recordings.
>>>
>>> I was co-founder if the Detroit Sound Conservancy with Carleton Gholz.
>>> Together, we hosted educational tours of Submerge, created the Dan Sicko
>>> scholarship for new Detroit journalists, and made plans for cultural
>>> preservation in Detroit music culture.
>>>
>>> 

Re: New subscribers?

[denisedalphond]

It’s healthy to question our perspectives and good to acknowledge the ways that 
people with white skin do not suffer. Even if it feels awkward or uncomfortable 
sometimes, it’s that way for everyone, and it’s better than ignoring other 
peoples’ experiences. 

And we as techno fans have the luxury of answering to the great city of 
Detroit. Michigan is a racist place. So I think, what do my music idols 
experience at the grocery store or at the airport or the bank or from cops, 
probably some bullshit from white people that look like me. And then I get 
really embarrassed. 

And pissed off. And then I think of creative ways to fight back. 

You don’t have to do that as a techno fan, but you can. It’s an option. And 
it’s fun. 

Denise




> On Oct 24, 2018, at 07:45, Ronny Pries (rktic)  wrote:
> 
> Hello new'- and old'sters.
> 
> Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart from 
> „Hi, I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“
> 
> The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You know, 
> I’m a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my personal 
> experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again, being a 
> german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho. 
> 
> Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be 
> historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised in 
> economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight or 
> burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is a 
> tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most 
> respectful way possible.
> 
> What I do have a personal experience with:
> Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function, showing 
> good manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means. Getting a 
> good whack of post-WW2 parenting.
> 
> For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t get 
> it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno was a 
> strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and feel. True 
> freedom.
> 
> So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural 
> background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?
> 
> Just thinking out loud
> Ronny
> 
> 
> 
>> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty, 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then all 
>>> of a sudden loads of 313s arrive! 
>>> 
>>> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse for a 
>>> very long time, until the last few days. 
>>> 
>>> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an electronic 
>>> music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an extensive 
>>> collection, mostly sold) and hobbyist DJ who loves a lot of techno/house 
>>> music that has and still comes out of Detroit or is clearly inspired by the 
>>> city. 
>>> 
>>> I have been on this list for 18 or 19 years and have never unsubscribed 
>>> despite the serious drought in content over the last few years. 
>>> 
>>> I am usually a lurker, therefore not aiding with content, but did inspire a 
>>> poll years ago (top five Detroit tracks) that Delsin's Marsel van der 
>>> Wielen put on the NoMoreWords site (everyone's individual choices were kept 
>>> there), which is gone now, or rather, transformed.
>>> 
>>> Most of the communications on the list are civil (not always in the past), 
>>> don't remember much in the way of racism, but my memory could be selective. 
>>> Denise, feel free to call me a potato-eating, alcoholic Paddy anytime you 
>>> want, I won't be offended, because it's all true.
>>> 
>>> Glad to see names popping up again that I haven't heard from in ages.
>>> 
>>> Yours in music,
>>> Aidan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:02 ,  wrote:
 Introductions. 
 
 I’m Denise Dalphond. I wrote my dissertation on Detroit techno and house 
 music in 2014 after spending three years doing research and conducting 
 interviews with techno kings and queens in Detroit. I write about music 
 and activism at schoolcraftwax.work. I’ve published a lot about Detroit 
 electronic music. My CV is on my website. 
 
 In 2006, I organized and led the Roots of Techno conference at Indiana 
 University. Panelists were Theo Parrish, Terrence Parker, Rick Wilhite, 
 Marcellus Pittman, Minx, Mike Clark, Cornelius Harris, and two rad people 
 from the Detroit Historical Museum. 
 
 The Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana University 
 is where the video recordings of the conference are housed, as well as my 
 research materials and interview recordings. 
 
 I was co-founder if the Detroit Sound Conservancy with Carleton Gholz. 
 Together, we hosted educational 

Re: New subscribers?

[Ronny Pries (rktic)]

Hello new'- and old'sters.

Was just wondering if I ever „properly" introduced myself here. Apart from „Hi, 
I’m Ronny. I like Techno.“

The recent Drexciya thread, articles and thoughts made me think. You know, I’m 
a caucasian, born and raised around Hamburg/Germany. Hence my personal 
experience of being a victim of racism is about zero. Then again, being a 
german, you’ve got to reflect about these things. Imho. 

Crap, this is awkward. I have no concept about what it feels like to be 
historically oppressed because of the color of skin. Neither was I raised in 
economical circumstances as close as those found in Detroit. The weight or 
burden of that combination I can at best try to imagine or feel. This is a 
tough topic for a cultural ‚bystander‘ wanting to approach it in the most 
respectful way possible.

What I do have a personal experience with:
Living with Angst or anxiety if you will. Being risen to function, showing good 
manners on the surface. Avoid looking inside by any means. Getting a good whack 
of post-WW2 parenting.

For long I thought Techno mainly appealed to me because my parents didn’t get 
it. But that’s not an emotional response, right. What I found in Techno was a 
strong sense of place. Where I was allowed to breathe, think and feel. True 
freedom.

So, I’m aware that if I say „I kinda get it“ it’s still lacking cultural 
background. Yet, where can one draw a line? And can anyone relate at all?

Just thinking out loud
Ronny



> Am 22.10.2018 um 03:08 schrieb Edward Thompson :
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon., 22 Oct. 2018, 10:51 am Aidan O'Doherty,  > wrote:
> Bloody hell, what's with all the traffic? You wait ages on a bus, then all of 
> a sudden loads of 313s arrive! 
> 
> Welcome aboard, Matt Deegan. This list has been a desert of discourse for a 
> very long time, until the last few days. 
> 
> My name is Aidan O'Doherty, from Dublin, Ireland. I am simply an electronic 
> music fan, an erstwhile record collector (used to have an extensive 
> collection, mostly sold) and hobbyist DJ who loves a lot of techno/house 
> music that has and still comes out of Detroit or is clearly inspired by the 
> city. 
> 
> I have been on this list for 18 or 19 years and have never unsubscribed 
> despite the serious drought in content over the last few years. 
> 
> I am usually a lurker, therefore not aiding with content, but did inspire a 
> poll years ago (top five Detroit tracks) that Delsin's Marsel van der Wielen 
> put on the NoMoreWords site (everyone's individual choices were kept there), 
> which is gone now, or rather, transformed.
> 
> Most of the communications on the list are civil (not always in the past), 
> don't remember much in the way of racism, but my memory could be selective. 
> Denise, feel free to call me a potato-eating, alcoholic Paddy anytime you 
> want, I won't be offended, because it's all true.
> 
> Glad to see names popping up again that I haven't heard from in ages.
> 
> Yours in music,
> Aidan
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat 20 Oct 2018, 13:02 ,  > wrote:
> Introductions. 
> 
> I’m Denise Dalphond. I wrote my dissertation on Detroit techno and house 
> music in 2014 after spending three years doing research and conducting 
> interviews with techno kings and queens in Detroit. I write about music and 
> activism at schoolcraftwax.work . I’ve published 
> a lot about Detroit electronic music. My CV is on my website. 
> 
> In 2006, I organized and led the Roots of Techno conference at Indiana 
> University. Panelists were Theo Parrish, Terrence Parker, Rick Wilhite, 
> Marcellus Pittman, Minx, Mike Clark, Cornelius Harris, and two rad people 
> from the Detroit Historical Museum. 
> 
> The Archives of African American Music and Culture at Indiana University is 
> where the video recordings of the conference are housed, as well as my 
> research materials and interview recordings. 
> 
> I was co-founder if the Detroit Sound Conservancy with Carleton Gholz. 
> Together, we hosted educational tours of Submerge, created the Dan Sicko 
> scholarship for new Detroit journalists, and made plans for cultural 
> preservation in Detroit music culture. 
> 
> I often make sure no one is being racist, but that’s been near impossible on 
> this listserv. They think I’ll stop. 
> 
> I don’t make music because my time is full with my three kids and everything 
> else. I’m not a DJ because I would forget and start dancing and make the 
> needle jump. I do want to play on a modular synth someday. 
> 
> Thanks for joining this listserv!
> Denise Dalphond
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 20, 2018, at 07:38, Matt Deegan  > wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> With that in mind I reckon I should introduce myself. 
>> 
>> My name is Matt Deegan and I'm an electronic music producer from the UK with 
>> a focus on techno. I've been involved in music in various forms over the 
>> years