Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[kent williams]

Would be sad to see you go. But it's up to you. Instructions here:
http://music.hyperreal.org/lists/313/02.html

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 7:59 PM DJ Shiva  wrote:

> "She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and
> it wouldn’t matter.  "
>
> Mmmmh, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your
> attitude toward gender right there.
>
> For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list?
>
> Lisa
> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
> http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1
> 
> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I
> can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Appreciate the reply Jodie,
>>
>> I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
>> probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
>> backhanded.
>>
>> Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
>> that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
>> 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.
>>
>> If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her
>> then I don’t now what to tell you.
>>
>> We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
>> not at least warned to change their tone.
>>
>> Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3
>> chairs party here in SF.
>>
>> Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
>>  :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>>>
>>> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see
>>> in the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
>>> start or throughout.
>>>
>>> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
>>> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
>>> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
>>> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
>>> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
>>> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
>>> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
>>> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>>>
>>> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write
>>> her off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and
>>> what pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>>>
>>> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
>>> would be a shame.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would
>>> agree with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated
>>> women in the scene as much as I do.
>>>
>>> *Jodie
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
 tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
 while trying to justify her tone”

 What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
 why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
 no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
 which she’s clearly in violation of.

 Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
 least on a last warning regarding her tone).




> > attention:
> > https://undergroundandblack.com/
> >
> > And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
> issues
> > that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's
> not
> > appropriate content, but it should be in the context that
> we're a group of
> > friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in
> common.. So keep
> > in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect
> even if you
> > disagree with them.
> >
>  --
> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> >>> ethnomusicologist
> >>> schoolcraftwax.work
> >>>
> >> --
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
> >
> 
> 
>  --
> 
>  Lerato Khathi
>  http://uzurirecordings.com
>  http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
>  http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
>  Skype : Lakuti
> 
> >>> --
> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> >> ethnomusicologist
> >> schoolcraftwax.work
> >>
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Lerato 

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

If that’s all you took away from my reply it also tells me a lot about you.

Plus that has nothing to do with what was being discussed.  But congrats on
nitpicking my replies till you found something “worthwhile” to reply to
instead of the real topic.

Not to worry tho I’ll most likely bounce outta here soon too in case I’m
the one chasing you away.


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 5:59 PM DJ Shiva  wrote:

> "She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and
> it wouldn’t matter.  "
>
> Mmmmh, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your
> attitude toward gender right there.
>
> For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list?
>
> Lisa
> http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
> http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1
> 
> "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I
> can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> Appreciate the reply Jodie,
>>
>> I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
>> probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
>> backhanded.
>>
>> Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
>> that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
>> 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.
>>
>> If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her
>> then I don’t now what to tell you.
>>
>> We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
>> not at least warned to change their tone.
>>
>> Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3
>> chairs party here in SF.
>>
>> Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
>>  :-)
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>>>
>>> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see
>>> in the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
>>> start or throughout.
>>>
>>> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
>>> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
>>> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
>>> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
>>> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
>>> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
>>> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
>>> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>>>
>>> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write
>>> her off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and
>>> what pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>>>
>>> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
>>> would be a shame.
>>>
>>> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would
>>> agree with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated
>>> women in the scene as much as I do.
>>>
>>> *Jodie
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>>
 So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
 tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
 while trying to justify her tone”

 What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
 why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
 no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
 which she’s clearly in violation of.

 Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
 least on a last warning regarding her tone).




> > attention:
> > https://undergroundandblack.com/
> >
> > And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
> issues
> > that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's
> not
> > appropriate content, but it should be in the context that
> we're a group of
> > friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in
> common.. So keep
> > in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect
> even if you
> > disagree with them.
> >
>  --
> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> >>> ethnomusicologist
> >>> schoolcraftwax.work
> >>>
> >> --
> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
> > ethnomusicologist
> > schoolcraftwax.work
> >
> 
> 
>  --
> 
>  Lerato Khathi
>  http://uzurirecordings.com
>  

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[DJ Shiva]

"She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and
it wouldn’t matter.  "

Mmmmh, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your
attitude toward gender right there.

For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list?

Lisa
http://www.noncompliantmusic.com
http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1

"Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I
can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy


On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi  wrote:

> Appreciate the reply Jodie,
>
> I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
> probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
> backhanded.
>
> Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
> that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
> 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.
>
> If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her
> then I don’t now what to tell you.
>
> We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
> not at least warned to change their tone.
>
> Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3
> chairs party here in SF.
>
> Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
>  :-)
>
> On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
> wrote:
>
>> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>>
>> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see in
>> the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
>> start or throughout.
>>
>> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
>> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
>> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
>> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
>> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
>> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
>> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
>> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>>
>> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write
>> her off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and
>> what pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>>
>> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
>> would be a shame.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would agree
>> with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated women in
>> the scene as much as I do.
>>
>> *Jodie
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>>
>>> So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
>>> tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
>>> while trying to justify her tone”
>>>
>>> What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
>>> why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
>>> no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
>>> which she’s clearly in violation of.
>>>
>>> Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
>>> least on a last warning regarding her tone).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
 > attention:
 > https://undergroundandblack.com/
 >
 > And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
 issues
 > that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's
 not
 > appropriate content, but it should be in the context that
 we're a group of
 > friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in
 common.. So keep
 > in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect
 even if you
 > disagree with them.
 >
  --
 >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 >>> ethnomusicologist
 >>> schoolcraftwax.work
 >>>
 >> --
 > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 > ethnomusicologist
 > schoolcraftwax.work
 >
 
 
  --
 
  Lerato Khathi
  http://uzurirecordings.com
  http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
  http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
  Skype : Lakuti
 
 >>> --
 >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
 >> ethnomusicologist
 >> schoolcraftwax.work
 >>
 >
 >
 >--
 >
 >Lerato Khathi
 >http://uzurirecordings.com
 >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
 >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
 >Skype : Lakuti
 >

Re: Thing NOT to do on the 313 list.

[U Design]

Thank you Kent!

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020, 15:13 kent williams  wrote:

> 1. Pile on Denise Dalphond. What ever issues you have with her,
> complaining about Denise is not on topic for the 313 list.  Either contact
> her and work it out, or let it slide. Or unsubscribe.
> 2. Announce you're unsubscribing. A simple Irish goodbye is sufficient.
> 3. Any kind of ad hominem attack on another list member.
> 4. Appeal to the admin to 'ban X.' Literally, for all X.
>
> This isn't - as the kids say - me sub-tweeting anyone specifically.  Just
> me hoping that the list can go on with a modicum of tact and respect, and
> above all, on-topic-ness.
>

Thing NOT to do on the 313 list.

[kent williams]

1. Pile on Denise Dalphond. What ever issues you have with her, complaining
about Denise is not on topic for the 313 list.  Either contact her and work
it out, or let it slide. Or unsubscribe.
2. Announce you're unsubscribing. A simple Irish goodbye is sufficient.
3. Any kind of ad hominem attack on another list member.
4. Appeal to the admin to 'ban X.' Literally, for all X.

This isn't - as the kids say - me sub-tweeting anyone specifically.  Just
me hoping that the list can go on with a modicum of tact and respect, and
above all, on-topic-ness.

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[Joe Marougi]

Appreciate the reply Jodie,

I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re
probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being
backhanded.

Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because
that’s not the point we are discussing.  She could have been any of the
100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter.

If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her then
I don’t now what to tell you.

We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here.  Especially if they are
not at least warned to change their tone.

Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3 chairs
party here in SF.

Has everyone here bought my new release yet??
 :-)

On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U Design 
wrote:

> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to.
>
> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see in
> the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the
> start or throughout.
>
> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go
> after her.  As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been
> removed long ago" I have to disagree.  I love Tom Cox and I loved the
> heated debates he used to get in.  Him and I had a few as well. I never got
> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads
> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the
> emails I saw by her did.  And in reality, there have been more emails
> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin.
>
> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write her
> off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and what
> pushed her to become hostile in the first place.
>
> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has
> would be a shame.
>
> Just my 2 cents.  And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would agree
> with me on this one.  They love the voices of strong opinionated women in
> the scene as much as I do.
>
> *Jodie
>
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi  wrote:
>
>> So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we
>> tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility
>> while trying to justify her tone”
>>
>> What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking
>> why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one.  Makes
>> no sense whatsoever.  There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario
>> which she’s clearly in violation of.
>>
>> Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at
>> least on a last warning regarding her tone).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> > attention:
>>> > https://undergroundandblack.com/
>>> >
>>> > And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal
>>> issues
>>> > that have spilled onto the list.  I don't want to say that's
>>> not
>>> > appropriate content, but it should be in the context that
>>> we're a group of
>>> > friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in
>>> common.. So keep
>>> > in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect
>>> even if you
>>> > disagree with them.
>>> >
>>>  --
>>> >>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> >>> ethnomusicologist
>>> >>> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >>>
>>> >> --
>>> > Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> > ethnomusicologist
>>> > schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  --
>>> 
>>>  Lerato Khathi
>>>  http://uzurirecordings.com
>>>  http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
>>>  http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
>>>  Skype : Lakuti
>>> 
>>> >>> --
>>> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D.
>>> >> ethnomusicologist
>>> >> schoolcraftwax.work
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >--
>>> >
>>> >Lerato Khathi
>>> >http://uzurirecordings.com
>>> >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com
>>> >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri
>>> >Skype : Lakuti
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>

Re: Newest Detroit Techno artists?

[baars]

Not sure how new any of these are, but I quite like the things I hear from:

Vanity Press (Black Noi$e and Shigeto especially) 
https://www.discogs.com/label/980200-Vanity-Press-Records
Portage Garage Sounds (same people I think( 
https://www.discogs.com/label/1218392-Portage-Garage-Sounds

And Waajeed of course, but he's been on the scene for a long time.

Currently mostly listening to a non-313 band/artist though: SAULT (both of 
their albums of last year are fantastic: https://www.sault.global)
SAULT
© forever living originals 2019. cart (0)0)
www.sault.global

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Deterministic Finite Automata | Discography | 
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Explore releases from Deterministic Finite Automata at Discogs. Shop for Vinyl, 
CDs and more from Deterministic Finite Automata at the Discogs Marketplace.
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Portage Garage Sounds Label | Releases | 
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Portage Garage Sounds is a record label based in Hamtramck, MI founded in 2017 
by brothers Ben Saginaw and Zachary Saginaw (aka Shigeto). Daily operations 
managed by Vinnie Massimino.
www.discogs.com





From: Ali Berger 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 3:28 PM
To: list 313 <313@hyperreal.org>
Subject: Newest Detroit Techno artists?

Hey all, been lurking for a year or 2, first time writing in. A lot of the 
people talked about on this list began their careers 25-35 years ago but I'm 
curious, who are the newest/youngest/most recently debuted producers (or DJs or 
live acts) you would consider Detroit Techno artists?

Re: Keep it real (and on topic)

[mar...@dustscience.com]

Hey 313,

Here’s a list of mixes of things we’ve been listening to in the studio, we 
usually do one mix a month of stuff we like.
https://soundcloud.com/the-black-dog/sets/listening-series

This is a list of things we did while involved in the Conspiracy World, we had 
to leave due to the worries about mental health and some of the very dark 
people involved. One hour pieces on different subjects, free to download of you 
can pay over at our stores if you wish.
https://soundcloud.com/the-black-dog/sets/the-conspiracy-tapes-2018

Right now we are recording stuff and making sound packs for Ableton.

As for what’s happening on the list, it’s kinda sad. I’ve seen one person 
destroy place like UK Dance and The Big Chill before, it would be a shame for 
it to happen here.

m