"She could have been any of the 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter. "
Mmmmhmmmm, sure Jan. You tell me everything I need to know about your attitude toward gender right there. For the love of my sanity will someone unsubscribe me from this list? Lisa http://www.noncompliantmusic.com http://www.soundcloud.com/noncompliant1 -------------------------------------------------------- "Another world is not only possible, she is on her way. On a quiet day, I can hear her breathing." - Arundhati Roy On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 2:58 PM Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Appreciate the reply Jodie, > > I’m gonna go out on what I feel is not too far of a limb by saying you’re > probably the only one here that sees her “apologies” as not being > backhanded. > > Please don’t deflect by trying to bring in women’s voices etc because > that’s not the point we are discussing. She could have been any of the > 100+ genders she probably believes in and it wouldn’t matter. > > If you can’t see that most here are doing their best to “tolerate” her > then I don’t now what to tell you. > > We shouldn’t have to barely tolerate anyone here. Especially if they are > not at least warned to change their tone. > > Speaking of Rick, spoke to him today about a conversation around a 3 > chairs party here in SF. > > Has everyone here bought my new release yet?? > :-) > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2020 at 11:42 AM U&I Design <uandidesigndetr...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I havent chimed in yet, but seeing Joe's email has prompted me to. >> >> "We tried to respond respectfully at first..." Sorry, but I didn't see in >> the emails to Denise that there was much respect being given, not at the >> start or throughout. >> >> She did apologize for how she reacted and people have continued to go >> after her. As for the comment that "if she was a guy she would've been >> removed long ago" I have to disagree. I love Tom Cox and I loved the >> heated debates he used to get in. Him and I had a few as well. I never got >> so touchy that I thought he should be removed from the list. Those threads >> and debates back then pushed the envelope much farther than any of the >> emails I saw by her did. And in reality, there have been more emails >> discussing this than there were that caused this discussion to begin. >> >> Her contribution to the music is undeniable and rather than just write >> her off as being hostile, maybe everyone should take stock as to why and >> what pushed her to become hostile in the first place. >> >> Removing someone that has contributed as much to the musuc as she has >> would be a shame. >> >> Just my 2 cents. And Joe, I'm pretty sure Marcellus and Rick would agree >> with me on this one. They love the voices of strong opinionated women in >> the scene as much as I do. >> >> *Jodie >> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 15:41 Joe Marougi <jmaro...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> So I guess there’s the “two wrongs don’t make a right” argument vs “we >>> tried to reply respectfully at first but she keeps replying with hostility >>> while trying to justify her tone” >>> >>> What I replied earlier that wasn’t copied here in the group was asking >>> why Kent would risk losing many for the sake of accommodating one. Makes >>> no sense whatsoever. There are unwritten rules of conduct in each scenario >>> which she’s clearly in violation of. >>> >>> Lastly I feel that if she was a dude she’d have been 86’d by now (or at >>> least on a last warning regarding her tone). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> attention: >>>> >>>>>>>>> https://undergroundandblack.com/ >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>>> And it's clear there's a lot of emotional upset and personal >>>> issues >>>> >>>>>>>>> that have spilled onto the list. I don't want to say that's >>>> not >>>> >>>>>>>>> appropriate content, but it should be in the context that >>>> we're a group of >>>> >>>>>>>>> friends, widely dispersed geographically, with something in >>>> common.. So keep >>>> >>>>>>>>> in mind you're talking to a friend, and they deserve respect >>>> even if you >>>> >>>>>>>>> disagree with them. >>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>> >>>>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>> >>>>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>> >>>>>>> >>>> >>>>>> -- >>>> >>>>> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>> >>>>> ethnomusicologist >>>> >>>>> schoolcraftwax.work >>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lerato Khathi >>>> >>>> http://uzurirecordings.com >>>> >>>> http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com >>>> >>>> http://soundcloud.com/uzuri >>>> >>>> Skype : Lakuti >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>>> >> Denise Dalphond, Ph. D. >>>> >> ethnomusicologist >>>> >> schoolcraftwax.work >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> > >>>> >Lerato Khathi >>>> >http://uzurirecordings.com >>>> >http://uzuriartistbookingsandmanagement.com >>>> >http://soundcloud.com/uzuri >>>> >Skype : Lakuti >>>> > >>>> >>>> >>>>
