RE: [313] This Is How You Get To Be The #1 Club In America...

2002-03-01 Thread Altitude
Well said D.

Motor is a business, not a non-profit organization to save techno.  When
they pay out 10 grand to bring in a big name techno DJ and the club is half
empty they eat it HARD.  The bottom line is trance/progressive/whatever is
big right now in clubs and despite the fact I think it is garbage, the kids
who do listen to it love it and are willing to pay to go see it.   This
event will attract all sorts of people and make some money for the club
which is always a good thing.  I have no problem having DRQ people there on
Saturdays if it helps pay the bills and get the people I do want to see
(even if it is once a month).  The reality of the club scene in Detroit is
that is not easy to make money and keep places open.  Look at Temple in
Ferndale which went down in flames in record time (i shudder every time I
see that EAW system there collecting dust).  Dan is a bright person and is
fully capably of running his club anyway he sees fit to stay open and he
definitely knows the difference between a night for the kids and a night for
the adults.

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From: diana potts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 8:02 PM
To: (Truth Be Told); 313@hyperreal.org
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oh...what the heck...

 I don't understand why everyone is so surprised to
see Motor behind this.

 Someone mentioned that Motor brings in diverse acts
and used the example of booking such acts as Matthew
Herbert. Ummm..do you think that just because Herbert
is a bit more indie-techno he doesn't cost some
MUUULA? PLUS Where ELSE is there to play in Detroit??
There's that hole St.Andrews with the shite sound, or
the State Theater (that's as intimate as a football
game) or the Detroit Contemp (yeah-sure, that can be
afforded) Sure, acts like this might not cause major
attendance-but acts still cost MONEY and motor's claw
they've clenched into the city makes it VERY difficult
for other venues and promoters of quality personality
and good intentions (yes an oximoron,but possible) to
survive. Motor may loose money on nights like that,
but i'm sure they'll be fine.

 There are just some times when you have to let the
silver shirted scary people have the batcave (err..i
mean motor). Which is most of the time. (here is where
I'll refrain from my speech of the good nights at
Motor or how it USED to be) I often refer to Motor as
the batcave because it's dark, often scary and holds
truths we're probably better off not knowing.










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[313] Thurs, Feb 27 at Quest: Mike Geiger and Gabe Real

2002-02-27 Thread Altitude
Thursday, Feb 27 2002


Motor Productions Proudly Presents
Ferndale's all House Music Night:

  QQQ
Q  
QQ   QQ
QQ   Q  Q   Q   
QQ  Q  Q Q  Q QQ  Q
QQ  Q  Q Q  Q QQQ     Q
QQ  QQ Q Q  Q Q   Q   Q
QQ        Q 
QQQ  QQ   
Q  
  QQ


This week:

Quest Resident: Gabe Real

Special Guest: Mike Geiger

and your Hostess: Miss Michelle



$5, Doors at 9 PM, 21+ with ID please
 


Q (the club)
141 West Nine Mile Rd,
Ferndale 313.438.4105
(the SW corner of 9 mile rd and Woodward)

We would like to thank everyone who came out last week to make
the kick off a great success and we are looking forward to seeing 
u there this week.


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[313] Thurs Feb 21- Motor Productions presents Quest: Nothing but House

2002-02-20 Thread Altitude
Thursday, Feb 21 2002

Motor Productions Proudly Presents
the Grand Opening of Ferndale's all House Music Night:

Quest

With DJs:
   Mike Huckaby
   Gabe Real

and Your Host: Miss Michelle

This will be a weekly event showcasing the finest 
House Music talent from Detroit and the world.

Doors at 9 PM, 21+ with ID please

Club Q 
Located on the SW corner of 9 mile rd and Woodward
141 West Nine Mile Rd,
Ferndale 313.438.4105

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RE: [313] how was kooky at motor?

2002-02-20 Thread Altitude
Off the hook.
D records definitely has the skills to do things the right.  Music was
exceptional with Rex kicking it off with a set of tight, pumping techno.
Having the lights turned off ala Cheshire was a nice touch.  Fred went on a
little past midnight and rocked the place (of course).  Tom cleaned up with
a particularly dark and brutal set that kept the place bumping till close.
I think what really made the night was the people who brought the right
vibe.  A lot of faces from the past were there and an overall happy crowd.
Any D Records/Paxahau event is not to miss.

-r

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Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2002 6:33 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] how was kooky at motor?


i went there around midnight and there was a huge line that i
didn't want to wait in so i didn't go in.  how was it?

--jenn without the -ifer

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RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313

2002-02-19 Thread Altitude
Oh,
they should not be on the logistics end of it. When I say promoters get
involved, I mean from a creative angle. Obviously the reason PMC is in on
all of this is they know how to handle an event this size.  But of course
just because an event is big does not mean it is any good.  Incorporating
some of the aspects of the Detroit scene on an event this size would
definitely be something best handled by people who have done it first hand.
A lot of the people involved throwing events here work their brains out on
those events and I have no doubt would do the same given the opportunity to
"do it right". And yes I know several promoters who have worked on and are
qualified to work on "concert festival" size events.

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Heh.

Well, I was kind of joking about DJ worship, but what I was really
hinting at is that techno, house, electronic music, what have you ...
are in an entirely different context at an event like DEMF.  It's not
a club, not an outdoor "rave," ... it's a concert festival.  How many
local promoters have tackled one of those?

-d


>Oh, I forgot.
>We don't dance anymore..
>
>I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and stare
>at the DJ music"
>-r

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RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313

2002-02-19 Thread Altitude
Oh, I forgot.
We don't dance anymore..

I put on the table that we change "dance music" to "stand around and stare
at the DJ music"
-r

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>  but I thought that this particular event (DEMF) is supposed to be a
>reflection of what is at the core of dance music in Detroit

I don't think that's exactly the intent ... "dance" isn't in the title.  :)

-d

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RE: [313] Re: DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin313

2002-02-19 Thread Altitude
Thats my point though..
Carl is not a promoter and is not as qualified as the people who have been
throwing parties here for years.  I'm sure PMC has thrown large, successful
events but I thought that this particular event (DEMF) is supposed to be a
reflection of what is at the core of dance music in Detroit and I KNOW that
PMC knows absolutely nothing about that.  World party (a large party that
was held at Cobo Arena in '93 or '94 for those who don't know) was a bomb
and illustrates that corporate entities can not cater to the tastes of
people they do not understand (or have a just have a rudimentary
understanding of).  The new board is definitely a step in the right
direction but IMHO if the festival is to be to its full potential it should
be a joint effort by everyone who has worked for and made Detroit what it is
today.   PMC obviously understands this by choosing people entrenched in the
Detroit dance culture but the scene here always went beyond the DJ's and
producers.  I have no doubt that if PMC was going to run the show on their
own they would simply look up the "Top DJs" list in Spin magazine and book
accordingly, and I am sure this is not what we want. My hope is that this
years festival will give people a real understanding of what this city means
to us and not just the glimpses they get by seeing Detroit DJ's or in the
press.  This is my interpretation of what Carl wanted to do in the first
place and why the first year was such a success.

-raph

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I'll even say further that Pop Culture themselves has experience in
organizing (or have been involved in) huge events and festivals in the
past (i.e. as far as I know, the 'World Party' and the Jazz Festival) so
that's the 'promoter' component there.  As if Carl had previous
experience in putting together a huge festival on his own. To be quite
frank, it seems to me alot of 'buddies' were picked to play the last two
years.

Flame, flame,

--G.

(Truth Be Told) wrote:

> Why would it be necessary to have promoters? Don't they bring in their
> favorites anyway or do they bring in big names for a big payday? If
> you look
> at the first statement if the Free Press article: "A seven-member board of
> longtime Detroit techno musicians will choose the artist lineup..." the
> panel is there only to choose the talent they don't need to know how it
> works (festival producer/promoter = Pop Culture Media). I would think that
> traveling and developing relationships with other DJs/artists, they
> are more
> then qualified to choose a lineup. The fact there are 7 shows there
> will be
> checks and balances where someone couldn't just bring in their buddies
> (perhaps as before). Plus, most of them have been around almost 20
> years and
> know who was there from the start.
> I'm hopeful too that they'll produce a good lineup and keep the spirit
> alive.
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RE: [313] DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin

2002-02-18 Thread Altitude
Heres my $0.02.
  If you read the link to the various reactions you will see that Kevin
Saunderson makes a very legitimate point: No promoters.  I have always been
weary of having a DJ/producer book the event and was hoping that Carol would
do the right thing and bring in people who are qualified to put this
together.  I can think of at least a half dozen people who have worked their
brains out in Detroit over the last 10 years who have every right to be on
the panel.  Having an all musician panel could be more about personal tastes
of the artists than the event as a whole.  I guess we will have to see the
lineup and whether or not Carol will give the panel the freedom it needs to
save some face this year.

Raph

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Sent: Monday, February 18, 2002 9:17 AM
To: Rob Theakston; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] DEMF 2002: The Sexy Adventures of Carol Marvin


I knew people'd jump all over whoever ended up on the board.

They haven't even been officially announced and they're being
DEnounced already?

Cut 'em a little slack, eh?

-d


At 8:47 AM -0500 2/18/2002, Rob Theakston wrote:
>*insert speech about opportunists here*
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>http://www.freep.com/entertainment/music/demf18_20020218.htm
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RE: [313] gary numan

2002-02-13 Thread Altitude
I remember the remixes..
There was an Ian Pooley remix and a (Deliciously brutal) Mike Dearborn
remix.  Choice record.

raph

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From: Trevor Wilkes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:47 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] gary numan


Unfortunately, there have been several busted remixes of carsfor those
of you who dig the metal I think Fear Factory did one..as well as (dont
quote me im not up on my hard house) Armand Van Helden.

Either way I think they both should have been stopped and asked politely to
think it over, both mixes butchered a great song.


...I would be interested in finding some other numan samples/mixes as well
if anybody knows of any.


Trevor Wilkes
inyerear.com
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Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 9:33 AM
Subject: [313] gary numan


>
> i was listening to telekon last night and even more impressed than usual,
> have any 313 artists used obvious numan samples? i know there were a
> collection of remixes that came out about 4/5 years ago - the only one i
> remember is dave clarkes cars.
>
> cheers
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[313] FW: LISTEN TO MY HOOOVES....(they're craaazy!) FEB 15, 2002 @ MOTOR

2002-02-13 Thread Altitude
FYI..
Should be fun.
-raph


> This Friday Feb 15th, Paxahau and D Records are PROUD bring you an
> unforgettable evening of music, atmosphere and general mayhem.
> 
> 
> LISTEN TO MY HOOOVES(they're craaazy!)
> 
> This is no regular cheese sandwich factory!  Ours includes a cast of real
> characters:
> 
> MAIN ROOM
> THE KOOKY SCIENTIST
> aka Fred Giannelli
> Telepathic, Plus 8 Records, D Records
> Come join us and the other Zebras in America in celebrating the Kranky
> Scientist's newest release on D records:  D010 - The Fucktrance EP with
> remixes by Rexxx
> 
> Accompanying Kooky's live extravaganza in the main room will be the dj
> stylings of
> Tom Newman aka acidpimp - D Records
> Rex Sepulveda aka Rexxx - D Records
> 
> IN THE LOUNGE
> Michael Geiger
> Craig Gonzales
> 
> IN THE STUDY
> Charles Flask
> (x-ray cat)
> Drew Maddox
> (master electrician)
> 
> Someone was craaazy enough to give us the entire club for the
> evening...can you hear the funny sound?? Can you hear the funny sound??
> That's our hoooves...listen to them...clippity clop... listen to
> them...clippity clop...see you there!
> 
> Doors are at 10 pm, 18 and over with proper identification.
> 
> Humans Only.  NO CENTAURS!
> 
> Motor is located at 3515 Caniff in beautiful downtown Hamtramck,
> Michigan...for more info:   (313) paxahau (yes it's actually our info
> line)
> www.paxahau.com
> www.motordetroit.com
> 
> 
> FOR OUR FRIENDS WHO DON'T LIVE IN THE DETROIT AREA
> 
> Move here, we are about to start doing some really cool shit!
> 
> You can as always tune into our 24 hour stream of ambient music and enjoy
> our ever growing dj archive page.  All sets from this event will be posted
> shortly after the weekend.
> 
> You my have noticed the recent changes to our site. We are currently in
> the process of revamping it entirely.  Please feel free to communicate to
> us anything you like or dislike, we enjoy hearing from you.  You can
> e-mail us at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or ICQ us at 35906772.
> 
> We will soon have another major announcement to make within the week.
> Stay tuned here and pay attention to the word on the streets for upcoming
> info.
> 
> 
> If you are receiving this you have already changed the channel.
> Spread the word
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> www.paxahau.com

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RE: [313] Motor Rumors

2001-11-29 Thread Altitude
Ok, let me quell some rumors.

Seeing that my room mate (the hostess with the mostess..) works at motor I
can say that motor moving is a rumor PERIOD and last time i looked (which
was friday) Dan still owned the place.  I am sure if they were going to move
they would announce it and if they did have secret plans that no one knew
about I am sure they would not have dropped 10 grand into redecorating the
place last  month.  BTW, to answer someone's question about new years in
Detroit bars: from my understanding, bars can stay open on NYE until 4am.
Other than NYE, bars can stay open till 4 am in Detroit if they have a
kitchen but (obviously) can only serve till 2.  They are several places that
use this loop hole, such as space {dryheave}, but I don't know if this is
true in Hamtramck (were motor is).  Also, regarding the police:  Hamtramck
is so broke that they can hardly afford police atm (they are in the process
of deciding if they want to dissolve the police dept in the city and hire
wayne county sheriffs instead) so seeing more than one patrol car in one
place at the same time usually mandates a large explosion or dead bodies.  I
have been going there about every weekend for the last 8 months and never
saw any cops waiting for people outside.  On a side note, Hamtramck is WAY
sketchy so if you are going to park far from the club do yourself a favor
and dont walk alone, it seems that anytime anything happens within 15 blocks
of the motor the club is blamed for it.

r-

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From: Rob Theakston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:56 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: RE: [313] Motor Rumors


i don't know about the moose lodge rumors. but i know that dan sordyl is
still owner of motor.

kip winger is selling his pants on ebay. how nice:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1487496065

-Original Message-
From: Paul Jenvey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 8:44 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] Motor Rumors


Quoting now--

 Motor is surrounded by a residential neighborhood so
it makes it very hard to stay open past 2am. The
boomboomboom flowing to outside from indoors makes it
hard to be sneaky too. You have to have a special
permit (which costs more mula) to have a closed bar
and remain open past 2am. You really can't make that

--

On a side note, I hear Motor is being moved to the old Moose Lodge
building downtown, and this is why they "remodeled" (to move the old
decorations etc to the new spot).  Does anyone know if there's any truth
to this rumor?  I also hear that one reason that the change is happening
is because motor was bought out...  anyone know if this is true, and by
whom?


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[313] OT- Turntable repairs/service

2001-09-17 Thread Altitude
Can anyone recommend a shop that works on tech 12's in the Detroit area? I
need a set cleaned and calibrated and was hoping someone had some
recommendations.  Please reply privately.

TIA
Raph


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RE: [313] Parking at DEMF

2001-05-25 Thread Altitude
One note though about Joe Louis: It closes early (normally) so make sure you
have your times right.  And another thing PAY NO ATTENTION TO PEOPLE WAVING
YOU INTO ALLEYS.  Its an old scam that will get you a 30$ Ticket, its
illegal to park in alleys.

C'yall there :)
Raph

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Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:54 AM
To: Mxyzptlk; Kevin Conrad; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] Parking at DEMF


on 5/25/01 2:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> My basic formula is : Try the Ford garagetry the Cobo Garage...then
(as
> a last resort - it's expensive!) try the Ren Cen - that is, if you don't
> want to hassle with looking to see if there's anything down on the river
or
> in various parking lots. If anyone has better Ideas, I'm all ears.

Why limit your self to the immediate vicinity?  Lots of parking at Cobo, Joe
Louis, even in Harmonie Park.  Walk to the nearest Peoplemover station, and
ride in style to the Financial District or Millander stations, a block away
from the festival entrance.
--
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RE: [313] any good 313 maps??

2001-05-25 Thread Altitude
There is an excellent crack house on the corner of Michigan ave and Rosa
Parks that's worth seeing :P

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Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:42 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] any good 313 maps??


I have to face it, I am a bit of a tourist, and all I have ever seen of 313
is within like 2 blocks, and at night.  I would like to walk around the area
a bit, and hit up some interesting places.  I also want to know where all
the venues for the after hours are.

Is there an on-line map, kinda touristy in orientation??

thanks

darw_n...

... :i: explore.


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RE: [313] doesnt it seem odd?

2001-05-24 Thread Altitude
If someone wants to punt me so graphix i'll make some "Carol is Satan"
shirts..

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From: Dan Sicko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 12:22 AM
To: MikeD; 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] doesnt it seem odd?


I *just* did the same thing ... looks like the JWT crew is working late.  :)

-d (curious to see how they're handling DEMF in the context of
ford-land ...  anyone making a "RECALL CAROL MARVIN" shirt?)

At 12:19 AM -0400 5/24/2001, MikeD wrote:
>That today, when I visited the www.focus247.com website.  The official
>ford focus website, as well as most site's related to ford focus... that i
>get a 403 (forbidden) error.
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RE: [313] @tkins gets second chance

2001-04-27 Thread Altitude
According to the Detroit news article today he is scheduled to play on the
28th at 11 pm.

Raph

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From: Samuel Hobbs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 11:40 AM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: [313] @tkins gets second chance


earlier someone had posted something about juan atkins
getting a second chance and then mentioned something
about an interview that he gave before a party.  did
this person mean that juan is going to play at demf?
if not could i get a clarification of what this person
meant.
-sam

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RE: [313] first mix

2001-04-19 Thread Altitude
I think Phill Grasso is credited (or takes credit) for being the first DJ to
have a continous mix of music.  This would have been in the mid sixties.  He
was the resident at Santuary right when the disco thang began to get big.
Check "Last night a DJ saved my Life" (someone help me with author), the
book has a definitive history of DJ'ing.

Peace,
raph

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From: Holly MacDonald-Korth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:33 AM
To: '313@hyperreal.org'
Subject: [313] first mix


hey... my boss asked me last night, and I didn't know.

who (or when) first decided to mix records and figured out how to cue and
x-fade, etc? what equipment did they use? ie, i assume there weren't mixers
with crossfaders then.

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RE: [313] DEMF mills?

2001-03-29 Thread Altitude
Now that he lives in NYC, i think we will be seeing alot more of the wizard.

Raph

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From: Erin Swenson-Healey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 1:23 PM
To: 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: [313] DEMF mills?


No Jeff Mills? He have something seriously against detroit? or the US for
that matter? or does he not get along with Carl Craig or something? Whats
the deal as to why he's NEVER spinning in the US?

-erin

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Re: [313] Record shopping in Detroit

2001-03-16 Thread Altitude
I think the place to go is memories and melodies on gratiot (~3 miles South
of 696)
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From: "Jenny Cigarettes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <313@hyperreal.org>
Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:28 AM
Subject: [313] Record shopping in Detroit


> I'm going to be in Detroit for a couple of days this weekend, and I was
> wondering if anyone could point me in the direction of some record stores
I
> should check out.
>
> Thanks!
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