Re: (313) Recloose Dust.... better late than never
i love it too...opinions seem divided amongst my mates tho. i can see some thinking that it's a bit 'pop' I think the trick is to hear it loud - when i bought it it was one of the just walked into the shop and it's on really loud moments - the bassline comes alive, it's got an acidic quality to it and the whole groove just totally f*ckin pumps! that's why the vocal's cool, cause it takes the vibe up a bit and makes it nice, y'know, for the ladies ;-P and the organ is just cheeky.
Re: (313) Acidic tip
i know there is alot of it around..alot of it being less than adequate to satisfy my 303 needs but lovers acid by luke vibert on planet mu is pretty spot on... jus catching the right frequency and squelch that i crave worth checking for madder acid on the flip respect to the vib-rator (sorry) i was off list when kerrier district dropped, i wonder what you lot made of it. some people thought it was a pisstake. funny idea. vibert seems to be turning out amazing material at an alarming rate. another wicked acid one he did is off amen andrews, vol. 4 i think - 'evil rave'. kind of a hardcore mash-up, s'great. cheers, andrew.
(313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
anyone going?
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
anyone going? not if you are ; ) right. outside. now. -- anyway, you're just jealous coz we're gonna see special K in a tiny bar in brixton town. ha! oh yeah, then it's FK and Danny Wang up at Fabric. COME ON :-)))
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
oh yeah, then it's FK and Danny Wang up at Fabric. COME ON result. Danny Wang rules. : ) Haven't seen him yet but looking much forward to. Heard mixed reports but, well, it's a notebook and pencil night. choo choo! (actually, most night are - must invest in a pda. actually, that's really sad.) cheers, andrew.
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
FK in techno mode is a bit lame tho Interesting this, coz I saw him at Lost that time with Mayday and thought his tech set was excellent. reports since then have been mixed to say the least!
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
as is Fabric's crowd by all accounts sorted - the vip is basically inside the main room but on a balcony, so you get the sound without the crowds! and a bar about 10 metres away. 'the crowd' is pretty much 'your mates'! (plus the odd tosser but hey, that's london.) saw herbert a little while back in the same setting and it was one of the best nights i've ever had. his set was 1/5th too short in my opinion! :-)
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
I was at that lost and thought May was excellent. Strings of life at the end was wicked. But FK just dont do it for me when he plays techno. That's odd, coz I thought May was far too banging! Horses for courses! I loved the way FK played bits of different styles of techno/house, tempo up and down, different textures thrown in etc. Mind you I was fairly refreshed so my memory could be lying to me! cheers, andrew.
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
sorted - the vip is basically inside the main room but on a balcony, so you get the sound without the crowds! and a bar about 10 metres away. but what if you're not a VIP? Hold on, I'm not a VIP! I'm simply (un)fortunate enough to know a couple of folk who can sort it out when there's a special DJ I can be arsed to check out. Consequently, I hardly ever go there. My advice on Fabric is to simply not go there - it's not that great. Unless you're on a serious music mission or a night out with mates, Fabric's the last place I would go. cheers, andrew.
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
I was at that lost and thought May was excellent. Strings of life at the end was wicked. But FK just dont do it for me when he plays techno. course, the bit at the end was wicked! and my girl got her ticket signed by may and fk! gents the pair of em.
Re: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night
Yeah, I've never been to Plan B, wondered what it was like, like. Bit of a meat market? Thought you'd be well in there Rob. ;-) It's exactly as you say, the sheer novelty of hearing KMS in a bar in Brixton! Unfortunately I've just discovered I have to play at a party, so no go for me either. I'm sure Kevin will get over it. Cheers, Andrew - Original Message - From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andrew Hodgson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:52 AM Subject: RE: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night It's just round the corner from my gaff, but no - it's not the kind of place where anyone is going to know who Saunderson is, let alone appreciate his music - it's a bit of a meat market and drinks cost an arm and a leg. Not too fussed about hearing Saunderson anyway, though it seems a bit wrong to pass up the chance to hear one of the Belleville Three spinning in your local. -Original Message- From: Andrew Hodgson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2005 11:49 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) saunderson at plan b, brixton, london, saturday night anyone going? # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Most Listening To
Look at Tony Montana... he cut out the middleman.. then again look where he ended up, face down in a pool of blood. The World Is Yours. Earth calling Matt -_-
Re: (313) Most Listening To
Look at Tony Montana... he cut out the middleman.. then again look where he ended up, face down in a pool of blood. The World Is Yours. Earth calling Matt -_- hehh, i figured SOMEONE would get the reference, i mean, come on, it had a Giorgio Moroder soundtrack too! :-D Remind me to NEVER sell you any records... say ello to my liddle fwends...baddabaddabaddabaddabadda!!! but i only wanted a tenner for it...ugggh Earth calling Andrew Alex, you started it.
(313) analord
Did I miss the Analord discussion? People liking them so far? I think they're great. Cheers. Andrew.
RE: (313) analord
Did I miss the Analord discussion? yes! Ahhh! Just my luck! People liking them so far? I think they're great. I've got 01, it's great; 02, 03 and 04 are waiting in the shop 'til i get more money next week. Ooh ooh you're in for treat - they get better. Hope RDJ keeps it up. Cheers, Andrew.
RE: (313) Mostly Listening To
Among other things... Library stuff - Reggae For Real, KPM's (Reggae Explosion, Beat Industrial, The Big Beat etc.), Percussion Library (red ones)... Disco stuff - Direct Current 'Everybody here must party', Lady B's version of DC, Saturday Night Band 'Come on Dance Dance', Trussel 'Love injection', Norma Jean 'sorcerer', to name but a few... Luciano - Bombero's + Funk Excursion John Coltrane - Giant Steps (recently reissued cheap!) Black Dog on Dust (respect!) Swag - Ear Candy EP!!! Bomb. Freaks - Telefunken (Random Factor Rmx) Dexter - I don't care One on Hefty I can't ID, but it's mad. -Original Message- From: Wildtek Concept / DJ Dimitri Pike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 March 2005 12:51 To: Martin Dust Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Mostly Listening To marvin gaye - what's going on He He just listenning to it right now ! One of my all time/style top 10, so emotive. -- Dimitri Pike http://wildtek.free.fr http://wildtek.blogspot.com http://groups.msn.com/313TechnoMusic
RE: (313) Mostly Listening To
Speaking of fulton, anyone get 'mom, I think the video broke' (whatever it's called)? It's crazy. (On tirk records.) Starts with a drum kit and ends with a kick, with nasty moog throughout. Top tune. -Original Message- From: Stoddard, Kamal [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 March 2005 14:39 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Mostly Listening To Bumpin the fxck out of the frantic flowers joint. I really can't get enough of this one. Wish the breakbeat tracks were slower. 128 at -8 sucks. It's awesome though. Every track. The maurice fulton remix of welcome by paul honesty has been the alternate attitude lately. This one's super dope as well. The bassline is second to none and the whole track just has this lean to it that I love. Masta Ace - a long hot summer has been getting a bunch of play lately. Dope beats from 9th wonder and the beatnuts and more. Dope ass lyrics and a cool concept throughout. Some devendra barnhart. Kamal K. Stoddard Turner Broadcasting Systems
(313) New classic peeps
Hi there, Been off the list for a while, but nice to be back. :-P Seems like there's some new cool people around doing classic sounding stuff, some have been so for a while, but I've just been slow to clock onto them, folk like: Matthew Jonson Omar S Luciano ...any more??? And Alex, what is this Samurai business? :-)
RE: (313) whats up with this Soul Central - Stronger On My Own?
It's bollocks. That's it. ;) Seriously tho, Kathy Brown's vocal is great, but is it necessary? In one ear out the other for me. Would be interested to see what DM thinks... :) -Original Message- From: robin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2005 13:23 To: Enar Essenson [Vibe/Stereo88] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) whats up with this Soul Central - Stronger On My Own? yeah that vocal version that's being played on mainstream radio is atrocious. i expect that Derrick is quite happy to get the royalties off the release tho. robin... Enar Essenson [Vibe/Stereo88] wrote: What do you think about it? No respect to Derrick May at all? I feel its not quite right somehow. Has Derrick May said anywhere anything about it?
RE: (313) Chez Damier
Distance - lovely tune :-) -Original Message- From: Andrew Duke Cognition Audioworks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2005 16:01 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Chez Damier I really like the vocal cut he did called So Close on a French label whose name escapes me. Got the 12 around here somewhere. Andrew -- Andrew Duke scoring/sound design/source http://andrew-duke.com Cognition Audioworks label [Andrew Duke, Foal, Clinker, Granny'Ark] http://cognitionaudioworks.com -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.6.2 - Release Date: 3/4/2005
RE: (313) Denver this coming weekend? Any suggestions?
You're just jealous Alex. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2005 17:13 To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Denver this coming weekend? Any suggestions? And since someone might know -- What about a good shooting range? yeah, like the kind where you pop off a few rounds. No need for gun rental either -- that's covered. HA! and you wonder why the rest of the world thinks america is nuts??? ha ha ha ha!!! _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
(313) Re:(313) Vestax or Technics
quote sh*t if we didn't develop and move along we'd all be discussing the latest tunes sung on Sesame Street. /quote Hey, cut down the Sesame bashing!! ^_^ -- -- Andrew Hodgson - Engineering x5235 -- Jim Henson's Creature Shop, Camden --
(313) Music and the Mind
...is the title of a book I'm reading at the minute, by Anthony Storr. It talks about music's function in society, and it's meaning for people, why it has the effect it has, etc. etc. It's a fascinating book and I thought some people out there might appreciate it. It's well worth a look if you're interested in musicology or the psychology of music, or even if you like music more than the average punter (as most of you do ;) Check it out here: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0006861865/qid=1057065396/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_3_1/026-2990121-5976458 Does anyone else have any books they could recommend? Cheers, Andrew
Re: (313) 3rd wave djing
robin pinning wrote: But to *really* step into the world of 3rd wave DJing, the best thing to do is get hold of a MIDI controller keyboard which has lots of knobs and sliders on it - map the sliders and knobs and keys to various Ableton controls (mutes, volume levels, effects sends) and before long you'll start to feel nearly as physically connected to the set you're playing as you do with traditional decks and vinyl. we need one of these boxes with a x-fader! sorry to repet the point in two emails but i think this is important You could probably use one of your midi faders as a X-over... hmm, Kenton or someone should manufacture a MiDI mixer - a product of the future!! Watch this space... ;-) Andrew
Re: (313) 3rd wave djing
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can anyone give me a couple of sentances on how this is done and what equipment is needed ? actually, I'd be pretty interested to know that too... is it the kind of thing you do on the fly, or is it something you have to sit down and think about and sort of sit there and do over and over (say, like building a track on cubase/reason or something?) Ta oh, and if this is the 3rd wave, who was 1st and 2nd...? ; ) I thought Robin meant: 1st Wave: Jimmy Saville (50's) to Levan etc. (early 80's) 2nd Wave: Acid House (85-ish) to Now (general beatmatching, DJing as an artform, big money etc.) 3rd Wave: The future? (Digital mixing from laptops, personal edits, more accessible, FX outboard, without vinyl?) Just my impressions, Cheers, Andrew
Re: (313) 3rd wave djing
Langsman, Marc wrote: You could probably use one of your midi faders as a X-over... hmm, Kenton or someone should manufacture a MiDI mixer - a product of the future!! That was kinda where I went with my final year uni project - basically a software core running DSP filters in realtime over audio feeds controlled by a generic midi device. My 'vision' as such was a 100% configurable dj mixer - and that means *everything* such as crossfader curves, cutoff freqs - even crazy stuff like assinging rotaries as an x-fader - anything is pretty much possible ! I guess the extension of that is then to have some kinda media that keeps your mixer settings [turn up at gig, insert cd/disk/compactFlash, bob is your mothers brother!] :) Sounds great! How far did you get with this? I'm sure many listmembers would love this idea?! Andrew
Re: (313) 3rd wave djing
Brendan Nelson wrote: I thought Robin meant: 1st Wave: Jimmy Saville (50's) to Levan etc. (early 80's) 2nd Wave: Acid House (85-ish) to Now (general beatmatching, DJing as an artform, big money etc.) 3rd Wave: The future? (Digital mixing from laptops, personal edits, more accessible, FX outboard, without vinyl?) That does make sense to me, except I'd say that the second wave began with the likes of Kool Herc and was in place before acid house took off. Viewing the manipulation of a pair of vinyl records on two turntables as a valid form of musical expression is probably the central ethos of the second wave of DJing. Good point! Obviously advocates of the first wave were highly sceptical of the second wave when it first appeared (Jimmy Saville not holding people like Grand Wizard Theodore in very high esteem), and there is no reason not to expect similarly reactionary positions from advocates of the second wave now... Definitely! What's wrong with combining all the knowledge gained up to now to give people the ultimate night out? Wankers. Peace, Andrew
Re: (313) and now - a cheeky question (2nd re-post)
Matt Hellige wrote: [Fabrizio Nahum [EMAIL PROTECTED]] i guess we agree on this :) i cant wait for the early-to-midnineties-uk-melodictechno-revival! i think it will be a little hard to market though ;) And I can't wait for the Kanzleramt: the early years revival! Revival fever! - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unfortunately- i doubt acid will get huge in the way electro has. but, i do recall hearing about someone in nyc trying to start a night called hacienda (i think it failed) Or perhaps fortunately... Treasure the magic and the mystery... I do hate revivals (sorry) -- it's just because I live in a *constant* state of finding out about music that has been around for ages, and should be celebrated. As a society we are sick with nostalgia, and while it might be good in terms of celebrating artists who genuinely deserve it, I just think revivals are a bit lame. I read a great quote from Mad Mike a few years ago, someone asked him about the electro revival, (now, which one? See?) and he said 'Electro never went away.' I thought 'Too f*ckin right mate.' Anyway, just my opinion! Cheers, Andrew (PS. Is there a swear filter on 313? The last two tries at this didn't work... I know there's been problems lately tho. Maybe the admins need to look at their mailserver?)
Re: (313) and now - a cheeky question (2nd re-post)
That's cool, I guess what I meant was I love HEARING acid house music, but I hate 'official' revivals that the press/style arses get hold of and abuse. I love the old school nights as well, but to be honest I'd hate it if loads of kids started wearing the old kind of dress, I just think 'get a new thing going, you lazy bastards!'. That's not slating anyone either! ;) It's all love. Andrew rob wrote: The big Issue here is are we in a true state of an Acid House Revival. I don't think so and I don't think we've ever seen one!! I love all of the early 80's work i.e. Detroit Techno, Chicago House, New York Garage, Acid and all the other one offs that made up the UK Acid House Scene. That is all I've loved and I don't listen to anything else if I'm honest, cause I don't feel it! I live very close to London have been to Back to 89 parties and have been to where Placid plays real Old Acid Sets. but it is very rare that a club plays old Acid House sets. I also know that in Leeds a small club opened and closed quite quickly cause of poor turn outs for old Acid. Revival means reawakening and there is NO WAY that this beast has opened it's eyes yet!! The other point is just because I/anyone else choose to play Acid House because I love it does not mean that I'm trying to start a revival. I just want to let it be heard to a new generation... if 1000's of them think is the best thing that they have ever heard and start wearing bright coloured hooded tops and pom pom hats, dungarees and timberland and shouting Accciiieeedd!!! at the tops of there voice, and carry it on for a year or two, then maybe. maybe, that's when Acid House will be awake once more! Until then I think it's just being tickled. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] unfortunately- i doubt acid will get huge in the way electro has. but, i do recall hearing about someone in nyc trying to start a night called hacienda (i think it failed) Or perhaps fortunately... Treasure the magic and the mystery... I do hate revivals (sorry) -- it's just because I live in a *constant* state of finding out about music that has been around for ages, and should be celebrated. As a society we are sick with nostalgia, and while it might be good in terms of celebrating artists who genuinely deserve it, I just think revivals are a bit lame. I read a great quote from Mad Mike a few years ago, someone asked him about the electro revival, (now, which one? See?) and he said 'Electro never went away.' I thought 'Too f*ckin right mate.' Anyway, just my opinion! Cheers, Andrew (PS. Is there a swear filter on 313? The last two tries at this didn't work... I know there's been problems lately tho. Maybe the admins need to look at their mailserver?)
Re: (313) Think Twice - Detroit Experiment
Odeluga, Ken wrote: OK - info pls. 'Think Twice': Is it a cover of the Donald Byrd song? (have had to curb record buying this month or, or *else* :-) Ta, k Great track - has anyone heard the Jaydee version (from 'Welcome To Detriot' on BBE)? Super smooth. Seems weird that *another* Detroit producer is covering the song, great though it is...aren't there any more great 70's tracks that can use an update? Or am I missing the point? Cheers, Andrew
Re: (313) Best Drexciya
Has anyone mentioned 'Sightings in the Abyss'? Something about that track is sooo spooky, I just wish it was longer. 'Wavejumper' on the flip is probably equal for me, it seems totally live. I guess both tracks were recorded live and jammed out, they sounds raw as f*ck, but very funky. Drexciya Forever
Re: (313) [Fwd: ULR FUTURE SOUND E.P TRUE HISTORY???]
Hello, So, can you tell me exactly who did which tracks? Thanks, Andrew *** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require further assistance. ***
Re: (313) production and mastering
I'm sorry, but I'm not blaming anything on Pro-Tools, it's the people using it with no imagination, a different point. When a producer stops using his/her brain and lets Pro-Tools take over their sound, then we get the situation we have now, with lots of boring tracks - but this is so obvious to be almost trivial. When a cool producer makes an amazing track, which is loud and well-produced, then f*ckin A. Hope I've cleared that up, Regards, Andrew On the subject of production and mastering I can see what Adrew is trying to say with the way today's techno and tech-house sounds but that has more to do with the production aspect of today's music, the types of effects and sounds people are using in tracks, you really cant blame it on ProTools which has been an industry standard for the past two decades. For example there are certain 313 labels that have released classic compilations, these compilations would have sounded better in my opinion if they digitally re-mastered the tracks using software like ProTools. Listen to the way an album on RS sounds, it sounds good on both vinyl and CD, whether an artist like Carl Craig is going for a 'raw' or 'dry' production sound like with 69 or a clean production. Also there have been classic Detroit techno tracks released on European labels such as Network that just sound better in my opinion because they do a better job mastering the tracks. I've passed certain '313-List' labels (which will stay anonymous) that are going for the 'dry' production sound because the mastering is a little too harsh and abrasive even though the music content was good. *** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require further assistance. ***
Re: (313) production and mastering
Far be it for me to enter into a 'debate', but I didn't assert that Pro-Tools performs composition. However it can have a decisive effect on 'sound'. This is due to numerous factors, such as the A/D converters used (Digidesign, MOTU, Apogee etc.) and the software itself, i.e. the TDM system of DSP, which is far more powerful than most home systems. Even though it ends up on a DAT or CD, the difference is audible. Thanks for the advice on what equipment to use, although I'm afraid I've never heard of a 'Rompler'. Regards, Andrew Pro Tools is really no difeerant that usin a hardware sequencer, it's not going to compose tracks for you. Most of today's vynil is either from a CD or DAT master Pro Tools is only going to make your master sound better if your using it properly, buy some nice analog outbourd gear, if you want something raw and warm record an EMU SP-12 and a Minimoog into ProTools and buy their Contol 24 mixer with Focusrite. If you use a Rompler with cheesy D*gital effects it's going to sound like an F*cking rompler. *** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require further assistance. ***
Re: Re[2]: (313) production and mastering
I absolutely agree, and that's one of the things I had in mind when writing. The problem isn't compression itself, merely it's use as a balm. Maybe the visual interface afforded by the likes of Pro-Tools encourages producers to normalize, compress, or otherwise louden their work? When you see a small waveform, you want to make it bigger!? (I suppose this would apply to all screen-based DAWs, not just Pro-Tools.) As for preferring digital to vinyl, with SACDs coming out soon (at 192KHz rather than 44.1KHz) you may have an airtight case! The only production technique that consistently annoys me is the over-use of compression. Many producers will say they do it to get their tracks noticed, or to give them presence . . . I would suggest, if you find that people only notice your tracks when you eliminate your dynamic range and make everything blaringly-loud, you've probably got bigger worries than poor production. An over-compressed track is like a black and white photograph that's 90% flat white and 10% flat black black, with no grey in between. But then I prefer digital to vinyl . . . *runs away* Andrew Hodgson Transmission Operator Central Playout LPC 1 Stephen St. London W1T 1AL Tel: (020) 7691 6225 / 5168 Fax: (020) 7691 6919 *** This email is confidential and may well also be legally privileged. If you have received this email in error, you are in notice of its status. Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete this message from your system. Please do not copy or use it for any purposes, or disclose its contents to any other person: to do so could be a breach of confidence. Thank you for your co-operation. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of The RTL Group or its associated companies. Please contact our IT Helpdesk on +44 (0)20 7691 6996 or e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you require further assistance. ***
