Re: (313) UR, Theo Parrish in New York

2007-08-15 Thread MTAURIELLO
i pretty much danced by the dj booth the whole night, 
so i missed most of the tourist posse.  also didn't 
buy any drinks - just got tap water at the bar.  liked 
the sound system at the space (i really expected to 
have ringing in my ears afterwards (despite earplugs), 
but i didn't.  either that or i just fell asleep so 
quickly i didn't notice!)  however, the space overall 
seemed pretty corporate and controlled - waiting in 
line to show id, waiting some more to get a ticket, 
waiting again to give a ticket to the cashier... and 
no ins and outs.  

would love to hear theo play in detroit some time.  
it'll happen...

--- Original Message ---
From: JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) UR, Theo Parrish in New York

It wasn't bad it was just meh. It wasn't that the 
music was bad it was
the high-eq overdose, and at least for the first 
couple of hours the
music selection was a bit safe...Apparently the music 
got much better
later. And while there were good dancers and people 
into it there, I
was right by the door and saw (and spoke to a few) 
tourists and other
people who were really out of place streaming in the 
door, not to
mention the Pakistani prep crew parked on the 
dancefloor, and the $5
water and the $10 beer blah blah. I'm glad I went, 
but it definitely
left a lot to be desired, seeing Theo in Detroit was 
many many times
better.

On 8/15/07, Odeluga, Ken [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 You must have fallen through a worm hole Monica and 
went to a Theo gig
 in a parallel universe in which everything was 
identical except it was
 actually a great night! It sounds like JT ended up 
in the other
 universe! ;-).

 Great to have your reports guys; thanks.

 Ken

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: 14 August 2007 23:31
 To: 313@hyperreal.org
 Subject: (313) UR, Theo Parrish in New York

 wow.  i feel like i've had a mini-Detroit festival
 weekend here.  this has been amazing.

 I was really impressed w/ Skurge, James Pennington
 and Dex.  I danced up a storm at APT despite the
 frustrating logistical layout of the space and my
 exhaustion from flying in that day.  closed that
 party...then Saturday at the Water Taxi Beach was
 really good, though not quite the sweet intimate 
vibe
 of Friday.  Found myself unable to leave the dance
 floor, cursing those evil djs who wouldn't let me
 rest!

 But the biggest surprise of the weekend for me was
 Theo Parrish at Deep Space on Monday.  I'd never
 heard him before outside of the Three Chairs, and 
had
 somewhat low expectations as (shhh!) I'm generally
 not really a big house music fan.  But something
 brought me there, and I had felt like I really 
needed
 a deep and soulful night.  I got there around
 midnight, pretty tired, when he started tech'ing it
 out, and again, I didn't get water, didn't settle 
in,
 just headed straight for the dance floor where I
 stayed most of the night, just riding the incredible
 energy of the music and the crowd.  Some amazing
 dancers there.  Again, I didn't know what to expect
 from Theo Parrish, but his tracked out funk, house,
 acid, chicago, techno had me enraptured.  It was one
 of those utterly transformative nights, the best set
 I've heard all year (and I've heard a lot), maybe 
one
 of the best sets ever.  wow.

 it was also really wonderful to meet so many 313ers
 who came up and introduced yourselves (Thomas, Mike,
 JT, Melody, Frank...sorry if I'm forgetting 
anyone...)

 i'm glad i'm on vacation as I really need some rest
 today!

 Monica

 p.s. er, does anyone else play like theo parrish, or
 is he one of a kind?





(313) UR, Theo Parrish in New York

2007-08-14 Thread MTAURIELLO
wow.  i feel like i've had a mini-Detroit festival 
weekend here.  this has been amazing.  

I was really impressed w/ Skurge, James Pennington 
and Dex.  I danced up a storm at APT despite the 
frustrating logistical layout of the space and my 
exhaustion from flying in that day.  closed that 
party...then Saturday at the Water Taxi Beach was 
really good, though not quite the sweet intimate vibe 
of Friday.  Found myself unable to leave the dance 
floor, cursing those evil djs who wouldn't let me 
rest!  

But the biggest surprise of the weekend for me was 
Theo Parrish at Deep Space on Monday.  I'd never 
heard him before outside of the Three Chairs, and had 
somewhat low expectations as (shhh!) I'm generally 
not really a big house music fan.  But something 
brought me there, and I had felt like I really needed 
a deep and soulful night.  I got there around 
midnight, pretty tired, when he started tech'ing it 
out, and again, I didn't get water, didn't settle in, 
just headed straight for the dance floor where I 
stayed most of the night, just riding the incredible 
energy of the music and the crowd.  Some amazing 
dancers there.  Again, I didn't know what to expect 
from Theo Parrish, but his tracked out funk, house, 
acid, chicago, techno had me enraptured.  It was one 
of those utterly transformative nights, the best set 
I've heard all year (and I've heard a lot), maybe one 
of the best sets ever.  wow.  

it was also really wonderful to meet so many 313ers 
who came up and introduced yourselves (Thomas, Mike, 
JT, Melody, Frank...sorry if I'm forgetting anyone...)

i'm glad i'm on vacation as I really need some rest 
today!

Monica

p.s. er, does anyone else play like theo parrish, or 
is he one of a kind?  



Re: (313) UR in New York - anyone going?

2007-08-10 Thread MTAURIELLO
well, i'm a geek, so i'll probably have on a UR shirt 
or listen to detroit techno shirt.

Monica

--- Original Message ---
From: M Ng [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CC: JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ramon 
Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED],  Thomas D. Cox, 
Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org
Subject: Re: (313) UR in New York - anyone going?

Should we wear UR/ techno related tshirts to ID each 
other?  just kidding.

On 8/9/07, Michael Kuszynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Will be at both.

 Call / text 630 886 3174 to meet up at/around 
either.

 Haven't done any sort of meet up via 
techno/rave/music mailing
 list/board for quite a few years.

 On 8/9/07, JT Stewart [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  i'll be at the beach party sat night and at theo 
p monday night...and am
  gonna go check out dope jams at some point..
  for lack of better ideas, if anybody wants to 
meet me my # is 919-923-4126
 
  jt
 
 
  On 8/9/07, Michael Kuszynski 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Sweeet!
  
   Been feeling very down about new york 
nightlife.
  
   Just tried to see Derrick Carter at Love last 
weekend, instead to find
   presumably some local poorly  playing deeply 
uninspiring house.
  
   After charging 15 on prepaid tickets and $25 
at the door after 11pm, I
   would have thought a better evening would be 
ahead.
  
   I get the feeling new york locals are a bit 
too into themselves
   instead of being into setting a proper night, 
or maybe I am just
   getting too old and having a headliner start 
after 3am sounds like a
   recipe for a hangover of hangovers and a 
ruined weekend of sleeping
   till 2am.
  
   I guess my raving days are over.
  
   On 8/9/07, Ramon Crespo [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:
seriously .. that looks to be amazing.
   
although right now i'd settle to see theo 
anywhere.
   
-ramon
   
On Aug 8, 2007, at 4:24 PM, Thomas D. Cox, 
Jr. wrote:
   
 saw theo parrish is playing Deep Space 
again on monday night. man, i
 wish i could check him out there!

 tom

 On 8/8/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hey, so I'm visiting New York this 
weekend, and planning to catch
 Skurge, Suburban Knight and Nomadico at 
APT on Friday
 (aptwebsite.com) and the water taxi beach 
party on saturday.
 Hopefully I'll be able to drag some 
friends along, but I'd love
 to meet anyone else from this list who's 
going.  Email me
 off-list if you're interested.

 take care,

 Monica


   
   
  
  
   --
   ---
   Michael Kuszynski
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   New York, NY
  
 
 


 --
 ---
 Michael Kuszynski
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 New York, NY





(313) UR in New York - anyone going?

2007-08-08 Thread MTAURIELLO
Hey, so I'm visiting New York this weekend, and planning to catch
Skurge, Suburban Knight and Nomadico at APT on Friday
(aptwebsite.com) and the water taxi beach party on saturday. 
Hopefully I'll be able to drag some friends along, but I'd love
to meet anyone else from this list who's going.  Email me
off-list if you're interested.

take care,

Monica



(313) for folks in the SF Bay Area...

2007-02-11 Thread MTAURIELLO
looks interesting... oddly enough, the same night as the Hi-Tech
Soul party w/ Derrick May.  

Interrogating Ideas:
Mirror-Travel in the Motor City

A conversation between Edgar Arceneaux
and Julian Myers

Friday, February 23, 2007
8 pm
$10 general, $8 students and members
Langton’s new lecture series Interrogating Ideas presents
Mirror-Travel in the Motor City, a conversation between Los
Angeles-based artist Edgar Arceneaux and San Francisco-based
writer Julian Myers.

The artist and writer will put forward passages from their
ongoing investigation of subterranean Detroit, including
discussions of Michael Heizer’s 1971 earthwork Dragged Mass; the
buried basement under a park on Clairmont and Rosa Parks
Boulevard where the urban riots of 1967 began; Etta James and
Sugar Pie DeSanto’s 1966 single “In the Basement” and the
“Submerge’d” afro-futuristic worlds of Underground Resistance and
Drexciya.

The presenters will delve below the surface of Detroit’s ruined
modernity in order to explore the grottos of its vibrant underground.

The conversation will be followed by a reception with the special
appearance of DJ Ian Zazueta spinning “Detroit sounds.” The DJs
sound has been influenced by techno music that emerged in Detroit
in the mid-1980’s, when DJs produced tracks in their basements
using analog synthesizers and drum machines. Literally
underground, this music is distinguished by the use of repetitive
metallic and machine noises that conjure the automotive plants of
Detroit.

Interrogating Ideas aims to expose the Bay Area art community to
some of the most challenging discussions about contemporary art
practice today. The invitees to these public conversations share
a fascination for exploring ideas, and expanding their practice
into a performative intellectual event.

***
New Langton Arts
1246 Folsom Street
San Francisco, CA 94103-3817
For further information: 415.626.5416
www.newlangtonarts.org 



(313) DEMF line-up

2006-04-19 Thread MTAURIELLO
I just want to see the rest of the line-up.  I'm happy about some
of the artists (hey, i like bleepy minimal, so long as it doesn't
get too boring), less happy about others.  I also want to see
some more afterparties announced!  like, any chance of a UR party
this year



Re: RE: (313) Re: Galoppierende Zuversicht or Nobody Listens to Techno

2005-07-07 Thread MTAURIELLO
so did anyone else think that galoppierende 
zuversicht live set was a waste of listening time?

i thought it was a great set, actually.  i was there for 
the show, which was great, so maybe i'm more 
partial to it for having been there.  it was actually a 
good techno night here in San Francisco - lots of 
people packed into a small club, everybody 
dancing, people dancing on speakers, good, 
excited energy - we don't always get that at techno 
parties here.  but i suppose musically it's a matter 
of taste, and i loved it.  

as for the article from the sf weekly (or weakly, as i 
like to think of it, since it's the more corporate of the 
2 local alternative weeklies), i actually liked seeing 
it in the paper.  yes, the author was off on the bpm 
counts and off on the history.  but what i liked was 
that it was an article in a widely read paper for a 
general audience (people who aren't already 
techno fans) that was actually ENCOURAGING 
PEOPLE TO GO TO TECHNO PARTIES.   we need 
that pretty badly here, as sometimes it feels like 
there's only about 35 or so  techno fans who go out 
dancing here.(i'm exagerrating - there are more 
than 35 of us.  but the scene is small, compared to 
the number of people who go out partying/clubbing 
regularly .)  i'm not so into techno being so 
underground here that there are hardly any 
parties and promoters can't afford to bring people 
out.  luckily, this has been starting to change.  



Re: RE: (313) Re: Galoppierende Zuversicht or Nobody Listens to Techno

2005-07-07 Thread MTAURIELLO
so did anyone else think that galoppierende 
zuversicht live set was a waste of listening time?

i thought it was a great set, actually.  i was there for 
the show, which was great, so maybe i'm more 
partial to it for having been there.  it was actually a 
good techno night here in San Francisco - lots of 
people packed into a small club, everybody 
dancing, people dancing on speakers, good, 
excited energy - we don't always get that at techno 
parties here.  but i suppose musically it's a matter 
of taste, and i loved it.  

as for the article from the sf weekly (or weakly, as i 
like to think of it, since it's the more corporate of the 
2 local alternative weeklies), i actually liked seeing 
it in the paper.  yes, the author was off on the bpm 
counts and off on the history.  but what i liked was 
that it was an article in a widely read paper for a 
general audience (people who aren't already 
techno fans) that was actually ENCOURAGING 
PEOPLE TO GO TO TECHNO PARTIES.   we need 
that pretty badly here, as sometimes it feels like 
there's only about 35 or so  techno fans who go out 
dancing here.(i'm exagerrating - there are more 
than 35 of us.  but the scene is small, compared to 
the number of people who go out partying/clubbing 
regularly .)  i'm not so into techno being so 
underground here that there are hardly any 
parties and promoters can't afford to bring people 
out.  luckily, this has been starting to change.  



(313) fuse-in detroit - please help calm me down, or something...

2005-04-15 Thread MTAURIELLO
hey so i've been trying to buy an airline ticket for 
fuse-in in detroit and i'm feeling totally neurotic 
about it, since it appears, from my reading of 
various mailing lists, that we won't even know if the 
festival is in hart plaza or not depending on 
whether or not the organizers can charge for it 
there.  

anyway, i'm just not sure if i should wait for next 
week after the detroit city council meeting, or just 
go ahead and get a ticket and risk having to cancel 
it and lose $.  money's pretty tight this year or i 
wouldn't sweat it.  i know, i know, i should've gotten 
a ticket weeks ago/months ago so it wouldn't be so 
much of a loss if i had to cancel.  anyway, the 
prices just keep going up rapidly, guess it's the oil 
prices, too. ugh.  

i'm already stoked about the electric avenue party 
w/ rob hood, t-1000, etc., but i just can't see jetting 
across the country for something in a football 
stadium, if that's where it winds up.  if if if maybe 
i should've just decided to go to mutek this year 
instead, but detroit just keeps calling

monikat  



(313) ishi, aquaviva - thanks for the advice...

2004-12-09 Thread MTAURIELLO
thanks for all the feedback.  so i think it' s gonna be 
ken ishi, since it's been pointed out that he 
probably won't come back to SF anytime soon after 
this, and it's the first time he's played here.  
aquaviva, i'll probably get a chance to hear again 
someday.  and i don't know about clubby house... 
not quite my style...

anyway, i'm giddy because i get to hear both 
matthew dear, and ken ishi, and maybe christian 
bloch next week.  i don't usually get multiple techno 
events in one week way out here on the far west 
coast of the u$a

take care,
monica



(313) john aquaviva or ken ishi?

2004-12-08 Thread MTAURIELLO
so I'm in San Francisco and just found out that 
John Aquaviva and Ken Ishi are both playing on the 
same night.  I've never seen either of them play 
and I need some advice.  They'll both cost me the 
same, so that's not much of an issue.  The club 
Ken Ishi's playing at really sucks, though I think 
there'll be a lot of techno-heads there, as it's the 
first time he's played in SF.  

In general, i tend to like techno more than housier 
stuff, but not banging techno that just sounds the 
same after a while.  (well,  a little bit of banging 
techno is ok...)  I tend to prefer Detroit stuff and 
minimal.  

i'll try to find some mixes online to get an idea, but 
has anyone seen either Ishi or Aquaviva lately?  
Any recommendations?  

Nice to be getting some techno in town lately.  
We've had some good folks come through.  Wish 
these folks weren't on the same night, but what 
can you do?

Thanks,
Monica



(313) new york record stores?

2004-08-19 Thread MTAURIELLO
hey, so i forgot to ask about record stores to visit in 
new york in my earlier post about going there. any 
suggestions? i know about satellite, assuming 
that's still around, and then there was some small 
place nearby on an east-west street, but for the life 
of me i can't remember much else about it.  
anyway, any suggestions appreciated.  thanks.

monikat



(313) techno + in new york

2004-08-12 Thread MTAURIELLO
hello!  so i'm coming out to new york at the end of 
the month to do a bit of protesting and visit w/ 
friends and family and to eat some decent pizza, 
and i'd like to squeeze in some dancing while i'm 
there, too!  does anyone know of any good 
websites w/ event listings?  i've got rhythmism.com 
bookmarked, but are there others?  i know i can 
pick up flyers when i get there, but i like to plan 
ahead as much as possible cuz i've got a lot to do 
while i'm there.  also, does anyone know of any 
interesting events going on at the end of the month 
through the beginning of september?  

thanks,
monikat



(313) todd sines dates in san francisco?

2004-08-10 Thread MTAURIELLO
hey, if anyone has this info., could someone 
re-post todd sines' dates in san francisco this 
upcoming weekend?  i seem to have lost the 
message, and i'd like to forward the info. to some 
friends.

thanks,
monikat





(313) thoughts, questions on moving...

2004-08-06 Thread MTAURIELLO
noticed the thread on moving on this list...

i'm currently in san francisco (well, ok, over the bay 
in bezerkeley), and for the past several years have 
been feeling the urge to leave the bay area.  i'm 
just not happy here - i miss the seasons like back 
east (i'm from jersey), and i miss the summer (you 
know the coldest winter i ever spent was a 
summer in san francisco...)  a move would be a 
big deal, though - i'm not as young as i once was, 
and my partner and i have accumulated a lot of 
stuff (well, he has A LOT of records he's not going 
to part with).  

anyway, since i don't see how either of us could 
make a living at this point in the uk or berlin or 
barcelona, i'm putting out feelers about other 
places in the u.s.  

so, is there anyone on this list in asheville, chapel 
hill, austin or ann arbor?  (these are a few places 
i'm checking out.)  what's the techno scene like 
there?  uh, is there one?  (excluding ann arbor 
from that question, since i know it's near detroit.) 
techno brings me so much joy and it's close to my 
heart and i don't want to give that up.  

i know a place can be what you make it, and i've 
done my share of diy stuff here in the bay, but i 
enjoy the freedom of going out and just dancing 
and not having to throw the party as well, so i'd like 
wherever i move to have at least something going 
on... 

or maybe i should just figure out a way to make a 
living in europe.  (sigh).



(313) miss kittin in SF...

2004-08-06 Thread MTAURIELLO
hey everyone.. thanks for whoever posted 
encouraging tomkat and i to change our plans and 
go hear miss kittin while she was in SF.  we gave 
up a renegade free party in the woods w/ sound 
systems, but it was definitely worth it!  she was 
amazing!  i techno-touristed this year and went to 
both movement and sonar, and i actually think that 
miss kittin's set last friday was the best set i've 
heard all year.  (it was similar to her set at sonar, 
but longer, and personally i think much better.)  
anyway, it was great and it was exactly what i 
needed.  she threw in hawtin, mills, green velvet, dj 
rush, new order, hip hop, lots of acid (!) and tons 
of great stuff i couldn't trainspot because i was too 
tranced out dancing.  

anyway, thanks for the encouragement,
monikat



(313) re: Todd Sines dates in SF

2004-07-28 Thread MTAURIELLO
nice - techno in SF!  yay - we need some more.  
anyway, i'm glad to see another event to look 
forward to, after miss kittin + on friday





(313) re: detroit and geography...

2004-05-26 Thread MTAURIELLO
hmm.. moving from northern/central new jersey to 
San Francisco hasn't changed my taste in music, 
really.  although i did discover that what i love is 
from detroit after i moved out here.  your theory on 
geography could explain a bit, though, why techno 
isn't so popular in SF (but why would it be popular 
in ibiza, then, which is not exacltly industrialized?  
because folks from industrialized countries party 
there?)  

i did have a hell of a lot of frustration going from 
banging brooklyn techno parties (sonic groove 
stuff) to SF House when i moved out here, 
though.  i worked w/ a women's collective that 
threw weeklies, and someone once wrote up a 
little thing about how we stayed away from 
aggressive music like techno. ugh.  (we did 
actually have techno at the parties, though.)  
actually, if i hear any more SF house  i think i'll 
puke.  

maybe you can just take the girl out of new jersey, 
but you can't take new jersey out of the girl.  

monikat

p.s. i've rocked rolando driving down route 101 up 
in the redwoods, and it was amazing.  but it's true - 
sometimes i do mellow out driving through the 
woods and mountains w/ some dark ambient.  

On Tue, 25 May 2004, sasha wrote:

 All this talk about where one is from has me 
thinking of something that
 has been nipping at me since I made the trek 
from East to West about 5
 or 6 years ago; how the landscape has such an 
important effect on the
 impact of music.

 For those of you not familiar with the US, the 
Northeast, on the coast,
 in cities like Boston and NY (and Detroit) is very 
industrialized. Here
 on the West Coast, especially in the Bay Area 
(San Francisco - or should
 I say Pacifica, cause technically, I'm 5 miles 
south of the city?), the
 land is more open and people are generally 
more in touch with the
 environment around them. Some places, like 
LA, don't have a city center
 and seem like one endless suburb. So, the 
point is that the West Coast
 does not generally feel like an East Coast city.

 Anyways, upon moving from Boston to SF, I 
noticed that all the music I
 had previously been into, like UR, the more 
hard-hitting techno, etc,
 did not feel or sound the same to me. The 
impact was no longer there.
 Driving down the Pacific Coast Highway, and 
seeing the towering rocks
 and blue ocean and blasting UR's X101 makes 
no sense to me any longer.
 Hard to feel like a techno rebel with all this 
sunshine and blue skies
 around. Although I still can get into the jazzier 
UR stuff, I avoid the
 hard techno bin at the local shop now. House, 
funk, disco, environ, it
 all sounds better out here somehow.

 Not to imply that techno, especially Detroit 
techno, does not have a
 universal appeal on some level, but it's taken 
moving around to help me
 understand that music's appeal lies more than 
in just the art. The
 cultural milieu, and the environmental 
surroundings have an important
 impact as well.

 Anyone else experience this?

 - Sasha





(313) re: SONAR

2004-05-12 Thread MTAURIELLO


Absolutely - part of the fun at Sonar is checking 
out all the acts=20
you've never heard of during the daytime, drinking 
beer in the sunshine=20
and just hanging out. The night-time events are 
fine if you like huge=20
cavernous aircraft-hangers and banging techno, 
but it can be a bit=20
much...

thanks for the tips.  yeah, i have a bit of trepidation 
about the overwhelm factor of it all, but hell - jeff 
mills and richie hawtin?  i'm there.  i've only gotten 
to see jeff mills once, at the demf last year.  had to 
miss his set in l.a. this year due to other 
commitments (sob!).  





...and don't forget to allot some time to check out 
Barcelona. It's an
amazing city. Missing a trip up the Sagrada 
Familia would be criminal, to
name but one of many unmissable things to 
see/do there.


oh, hell yeah.  i was in barcelona 12 years ago and 
went to sagrada familia, parc guell... actually, i had 
really bad blisters and so spent a lot of time 
hanging out in parc guell, resting my feet.  this time 
i plan to see more of gaudi's buildings, and also 
head out to montserrat (again).  that's one of the 
reasons i asked about daytime, actually, since i 
want to make sure i do some sightseeing while i'm 
there anyone ever been there for the bonfires for 
summer solstice? 

monikat



(313) movement lineup

2004-05-12 Thread MTAURIELLO
yeah, i know, rolando's playing, that's good. and 
i've always wanted to see sean deason, and i'm 
interested in ellen alien (who i'm missing this 
week in sf).  i'm just not overwhelmingly excited 
though.  i'm hoping rolando's set isn't UR's 
greatest hits, which it felt like last year.  i love UR 
(and am crossing my fingers about a submerge 
party this year! )  but i think i've been a bit 
overexposed to their tracks.  

i guess i was just hoping for rob hood or jay 
denham.  i saw about 20 minutes of rob hood last 
year at an afterparty, which was amazing til it was 
shut down.  arrghh  and jay denham is just 
incredible, and i know i won't see him out here in 
SF again after the utterly poor attendance last time 
he was here.  (he did at least give it up for all 25 of 
us) hell, i wonder if i'll ever see him in the states 
again...

monikat