Re: (313) Detroit Politics Thread
Not very music related, but this is a big issue on the global scale; this is the same reason why all these development zones that give huge incentives to corporations to build factories in third world countries never and up doing much for the countries themselves. The country doesn't get any taxes off it, and the corporations reinvest their profits elsewhere. For the development model to benefit the companies, the corporations would have to be required to give back SOMETHING to the country, whether it's reinvesting in the local economies, technological know how, working with local firms, access to intellectual property, etc... I would guess that cities have the same problem - so along with the tax breaks, cities would have to make sure that somehow the corporation gives back to the city in some way. ~David On Thu, November 10, 2005 4:33 pm, vmax wrote: Well the city of detroit did give the rich white biz's owners a very large and hefty tax break to move there companies down to the city. The down side to this is that with such tax breaks add no tax revenue to pay for thing that need to get payed for like school, fire services, police services, road work, etc. we're actually dealing with something similar in pittsburgh right now. i forget the exact % of tax free properties in the city but its ridiculously high because of these give aways. people seem to think that having these big businesses move in will magically fix everything. it doesnt, of course. these businesses only care about finding the way to do things in the most cheap manner. as soon as theyre offered something better elsewhere (other cities, other countries), they roll out, devastating the local community. its all about building up grass roots community oriented businesses. tom
(313) Bye List
Bye list... after about 6 years I've decided that 313 list isn't as useful to me in searching for music as it once was, and my own tastes in techno (ie., stuff like Surgeon, Autechre, Richard Devine, dark electro, and glitchy minimalism) seem to be diverging from what people on this list are into. And to be honest, though I'm a fan of some of the new UR and m_nus records, there isn't all that much coming out of Detroit that is catching my ear these days (except Detroit Underground record label, which rules!!!). Anyway, I've met some cool people though, and I may hit some of you up offlist in the future. Feel free to holla at me if you get the urge. I'll still be on 313techknow btw, which is a bit more relevant to me as a producer/live PA artist. Peace, David
Re: (313) The more things change
I'm guessing he's not a big John Cage fan. Seriously, though I have great respect for Larry Heard as a producer, I have to disagree. A certain kind of feeling might define a GENRE, but it can never define all the possibilities available in the exploration of music as an art form. These fixed ideas about what is music and what is noise prevent innovation and evolution. And to fear evolution is not very techno. Musically we are living in a period where every form of noise has been liberated - not to express something but rather to be explored for its own sake. I don't need music to carry some supposed meaning or feeling. There is a place for music with feeling, but there is also a place for abstract music that explores structured sonic possibilities for their own sake. Techno was ALWAYS about the surface anyway, it never was substantive compared to, say, Mozart. Techno is a special effect, a slowly mutating surface of noise vibrating over extremely repetitive rhythmic patters. And that is just fine with me. np: Autechre - Untilted ~David but he called it a collection of noises - not music MEK
RE: (313) The more things change
There seems to be some confusion regarding emotion - are we talking about the listener's emotion, or the creator's emotion??? Both Larry Heard and Armando seem to think that the producer's of the music need to feel certain emotions to create good work. I don't buy it. Neither one have any idea what the creators of this music were feeling, they just take THEIR emotional response as LISTENERS and project it back onto the creators - ie. this piece doesn't move me, so the creator of it must have lacked emotion when he made it. I argue that what matters is the creator's skill. Listeners will tend to have an emotional response to a well constructed piece, but not necessarily a response that is unvarying or easy to describe. Autechre, for instance, makes me feel something but I'm not sure I could pin it into some simple emotional category. But it's not like I'm contemplating equations or something when I hear it, by any means. The music seems as emotional to my as anything else. I believe that much, even most, of the response to is rooted in the listener's mood, their environment, their cultural background, their own prejudices and their previous encounters with music. All these things are external to the music itself. Even for one individual, music might provoke different responses when sober as opposed to intoxicated, in different settings, etc. As for myself, I like interesting timbres, and I like interesting rhythms, and to me that is the definition of music: rhythm + timbre (pitch and harmony are, for me, subcategories of timbre). I'd hardly call this being moved by novelty, but I don't believe there is emotion in the music. Usually abstract music does produce emotional responses in me, but I don't project them back onto the music itself. The emotions belong to ME, not to the music. As a final example, I like Mozart now, whereas in the past I really had no taste for that type of music, though I did intellectually appreciate it. Now, I enjoy Mozart's music, and I feel something when I hear it - but the music never changed. It was my ability to listen that changed. ~David It's always been this way. Some people are moved by novelty far longer than others and can stand to hear new and interesting noises without caring if there was an ounce of emotion in it (moroder step bass anyone?). I have been guilty of this when listening to a new (insert anything sonic here). But at a point (unless you're that one track) you will change your tastes. And the one constant that I find most people wanting from their music regardless of genre is feeling. Whether it's country or techno, people want to relate their experience to something that comes from another angle. It's the same thing that Armando (I think) was saying back in the day about the acid house explosion in England. Something like, it's cool, but they heard the stuff we did and it's like they took the bleeps and carried on the tweaks, but they left the message. That was really what the music was about though, the message. But now all you hear are the blips and bleeps and there's no message to it, no feeling. Or something like that. (come to think of it, maybe that was larry too, can't remember). I think he's right on. But that's my opinion. I'll try to find that interview. Gonna be hard when I don't remember who I'm looking for. Think I smoked that memory just this morning too. Dangit. KKS
Re: (313) The more things change
Yes, exactly - people could, and people DO listen to random sounds as music. I live in the city and sometimes, the soundscape IS as satisfying as a record. Music is everywhere. Human produced music is only one sub-genre. Music is rhythm (time) + timbre (quality of vibration), perceived by an observer who categorizes the sounds as music. That's it! Anything else might apply to a style or genre, but is not broad enough to cover all musical activities in the world - you have to make the claim that some forms of musical activity are not actually music. Examples might include field recordings, tibetan ritual music, Merzbow or compositions by John Cage. Clearly, to a musicologist, all of these activities could be classified and studied as music, even if it doesn't fit with your personal definition. Also, in regards to emotion being important, consider that in some cultures (buddhist, for instance) emotions are viewed quite differently. The purpose of art and music in these cultures would be to still the mind rather than to provoke emotion. Indeed, I personally find that the music I enjoy best has just such an effect. ~David without it, you could just listen to random sounds around you and feel as satisfied as if you just listened to a record. and since thats not the case, theyre not the same. tom
Re: (313) Swing/Jive Jazz samples
Also, I think the Rob Hood EP Underestimated has a track that opens with a swing bit before it goes into the usual minimal techno bidness. ~David not sure if this is what you are talking about..but i have an Armando album with a track on it called Real Jazz from the one world one future album. its just one track, but definatly swingin.also a track on the Madhouse Compilation a basement, a red light and a feelin' by Keri Chandler is very swingin jazz.i believe the track is called the way it was not many but its what came to my mind when i thought of swingin jazz tracksalthough im sure there are many more... michael www.renegaderhythms.com On Wed, October 26, 2005 7:57 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: wondering what other tracks are out there that use swing jazz samples?
(313) Ron Hardy Edits....................
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(313) New Order v. TLC mashup
Hello all, I thought I'd lighten the mood by sharing a little mashup I recently made, New Order v. TLC Blue Scrubs. It's not at all a straight up mashup though, actually more of a remix combining two different tracks. The genre, for lack of a better term, is electro-glitch. Page: http://www.nocturnalnoize.com/mixes.htm Direct link: http://www.nocturnalnoize.com/mp3/BlueScrubs.mp3 313 relevance, I sorta make Detroit techno. Sometimes. I lived in Ferndale on 9 mile, one mile from the D. And I worked at the Detroit Zoo for three weeks once while staying downtown on Woodward. So I'm almost a Detroit techno producer (now I live in Chicago). ~David
Re: (313) Arken
Okay, I'll bite. This sounds like it would be up my alley, but who is Arken? No mention on discogs. Any idea who this artist is, and if there are soundclips of this record anywhere? I keep hearing Sonar Kollective mentioned and I also have no idea what they are about. What's the scoop? Ah, gotta love being stuck in the midwest of the USA!!! Bit hard to figure out what's what sometimes. ~David Robin said: -Music- The new Arken on Sonar Kollective (non-boring glitch with a 313 flavour anyone?).
Re: (313) May's Mojo - where it gone?
Yeah, because the world really needs more superstar DJ's --- ;) Isn't this a little backwards? Seems like quality music is what the world really needs. I'd cutting Derrick a little more slack if he pushed more abstract and cutting edge techno in his sets, as opposed to cheesy latin house anthems or whatever. Anyway, selling records is hard work and doesn't bring in that much money in the techno world, I doubt it would be able to support the superstar life style and the expensive cars etc. So he's probably best off sticking to DJing. I know this is harsh, but I still do really appreciate some of his classic tracks. ~David From what I understand, Derrick is more interested in representing techno through DJing the music around the world than making music. I think he wants to concentrate on creativity in that sphere rather than making music, which he doesn't relly see as his role anymore. sounds fair enough to me, we weren't holding gun to his head or owt. still, a shame I say. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
Re: (313) record purchases
Anybody know where I can get this, or what online shops carry Touchin' Bass??? I just tried PlanetX in the US, and Juno and Nuloop. None of them have this. And as you might expect, I'd really prefer to order it in the US, but maybe that is asking too much. I need to get that Bitstream Domestic Economy double lp while I'm at it, that one at least seems to be around (still might require ordering from Europe). ~David Even less 313, but a track that I'm slightly obsessed with at the moment is from Bitstream's new 12 on Touchin Bass. The A2 track (again, can't remember the name, sorry!) is AWESOME! Exactly the kind of downtempo hip hop techno that I love. Don't sleep on this one.
(313) Aug 20 Chicago Event , Kero and Cyborg K
Hi, if any of you in Chicago want to hear what I do live, this is your chance. It also worked out that Kero is going to be in Chicago, so this should be a really fun little event. Since the event is early, you can easily leave around midnight and catch Derek Plaslaiko at Tini Martini. The theme of our event is CRUNK and I'm going to do a set of glitchalicious crunktech specially prepared just for this event. I'll be playing only original (or totally remixed) material, not just doing the laptop DJ thing. Come out if you can! BEAT$HOPPE Where : WAXaddict Record Shop Address : 1014 N Ashland Ave - Chicago Time : 7PM - 1AM, AUG 20 ALL AGES / 21+ w/ID to drink. 10% OFF ALL VINYL CDs IN STOCK !! In collaboration with : R.A.S. RECORDS / SURVEILLANCE / 219 COLLECTIVE / WAXADDICT Lineup : D-BIT (R.A.S., LiveWire, Hydrogen Dukebox) - LIVE - Ambient KERO (Downwards, BPitch, $hitkatapult, Schematic) - LIVE - Experimental CYBORG K aka DAVID POWERS (R.A.S.) - LIVE - Glitchalicious Crunk Tech MINDBENDER (WAXaddict) - Techno / Tech House LEE CHAMELEON (Zuvuya, Surveillance) - Industrial Techno A. SMITH (219 Collective) - Techno JIMMY KROK (219 Collective) - Minimal / Glitch Techno Performance Times : 7-7:45 - Dbit 7:45-8:45 - Jimmy Krok 8:45-9:45 - A. Smith 9:45-10:30 - Cyborg K 10:30-11:30 - Kero 11:30-12:15 - Lee Chameleon 12:15-1am - Mindbender E-FLYER at http://blendchicago.com/albums/album56/crunk8_20_05.sized.jpg
Re: (313) Jupier Jazz mix, Suburban Night
Well, sure you can go farther back, but eleven years ago is a fairly large timespan... I'm 30, so I was 19-20, but today's 21 year old club kid would have only been 10!!! Does that make you feel any older? ;) Please don't tell me you remember the original Chicago track coming out... ~David 94/95 is back in the day ??? You're making me feel old -Jamil Yes, when James put this track on my friend mentioned that back in the day Richie H, John A and probably other Detroit guys played the $h!t out of this... I guess that would have been 94 or 95. ~David carl morris plugtwo wrote: That's the one, I've heard Rolando play that too. In which Kenny Dope takes a huge sample from Chicago - Streetplayer, resulting in a massive UK chart hit. Great tune! carl morris Plug Two t +442920190151 Hardie, Nick wrote: Bucketheads - The Bomb? -Original Message- From: Chana Goodman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There was some acid thrown in there and then later some classic house/rave tunes like these sounds fall into my mind( I dont think thats the actual name of the track but Im sure you all know what I mean) which is actually one of my all time cheese factor favorites.
