RE: (313) Detroit... how did it go?
We count them, just not at par djB -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:34 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 4:57 AM Subject: Re: (313) Detroit... how did it go? > why would someone travel from england or germany to hear photek > or planet of the drums? they wouldnt! so they didnt! simple! True, but to attribute the emptyness at DEMF to a lack of foreign travel is a bit wrong me thinks. IIRC the demographics have never attributed more than 10% to foreign travellers in past years (unless you count the Canadians, who obviously don't count ;). Sad to hear it was so empty though! Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
RE: (313) Detroit House Festival Afterparties?
If 50 people would agree to come to the party we can make this happen. I've already talked to Shake, Norm, Delano, and Mike Clark about DJing a monthly series called UnderGround Nation at the time I spoke to them we also talked about the possibilities of doing a party this weekend, the lack of guaranteed interest vs. expense moved it off the board. If fifty people to start would pay $10 to hear us, then it could happen. Hell, 100 people at $5.00 is cool, too. Shit, if the first fifty people email back that they'll drop through and pay $10.00 then we'll make it $5.00 for the first fifty people. ..Hey the DJs got to get paid... So an unofficial lineup would go: Shake Norm Talley Delano Smith Mike Clark djmaniak djMalik djBlkout other DJs expected but not contacted yet, (cause it really a party yet): Keith Worth Rick Wilhite Mike Grant Mike Huckaby Reggie Dolks This would truly be a fan organized gig cause I ain't calling them back unless Ya'll coming So I would say to help subsidize this I would tell the DJs to bring their mix CDs, something for everyone If your on the 313 list, and your coming to Detroit for the DEMF and you want to hear these cats bang send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the subject line type "Confirm me" and leave your email address in the body, you will be contacted to confirm the party will happen and will be sent your tickets for the gig. djBlkout -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 1:53 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Detroit House Festival Afterparties? It looks like we won't be lucking out with a three chairs party this year. The couple of house oriented parties I've seen so far feature mostly out of town talent. Any word of parties featuring the local jocks that don't come out to the west coast too much (Norm Talley, Delano Smith, Al Esher)? I heard that Norm Talley and Eddie Fowlkes regular house night at the Hub got nixed by the venue. Too bad, because the brunch that was there with Paul Randolph and others last year was really nice. Any Big 50 or other M+G artist appearances? This 'Soul Bomb' party on friday looks promising. http://www.detroitluv.com/index.php?topic=33823.0 Can someone tell me if the Andres on the Soul Bomb lineup is the same as the Andres who is the percussionist for Mahogani?
RE: (313) CANNIBALL
For that kinda dough, you guys should through a Gig..Really, nice bleachers though -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) CANNIBALL There's no room inside the club for this. I think you should take it out onto Woodward, and me and Rob will drag our bleacher seats down there, put up klieg lights, and take side bets as appropriate. We're looking at the "bullet-proof" model: http://www.theparkcatalog.com/itemdesc.asp?ic=286%2D1007&eq=&Tp fh - > > > > >Uh oh... this be where tom & i shall me and either drink or fight, or >drink... THEN fight.. :) > > > > >On Mon, 22 May 2006, Thomas D. Cox, Jr. wrote: > >> On 5/22/06, erika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Maybe I'll get more of you with the final lineup... >>> >>> - Shake >>> - Perspects (live) >>> - Derek Plaslaiko >>> - BMG of Ectomorph >>> - Carlos Souffront >>> - Dethlab >>> + special surprises.. including the debut screening of Autechre's new >>> video for Fermium, directed by (ex-detroiter) Nancy Mitchell >> >> this is looking like what im leaning towards going to on saturday night. >> >> i think ive got sunday on lock too, but friday and monday are looking >> pretty lean. i wanna hit a ghetto tech party one of those >> nights >> >> tom >> >
RE: (313) a question regarding DEMF and the history of Detroit techno
Hello, All! This topic, debate, concept is at the heart of the colonial experience, every culture that has been colonized has been marginalized too, it is a part of colonization that changes the paradigm such that their colonizers involvement in whatever culture becomes the norm, for example - Australia. What happens during marginalization? - www.dictionary.com mar·gin·al·ize( P ) Pronunciation Key (märj-n-lz) tr.v. mar·gin·al·ized, mar·gin·al·iz·ing, mar·gin·al·iz·es To relegate or confine to a lower or outer limit or edge, as of social standing. margin·al·i·zation (-l-zshn) n. marginalization n : the social process of becoming or being made marginal (especially as a group within the larger society); "the marginalization of the underclass"; "the marginalization of literature" [syn: marginalisation] --- During the marginalization process you create an environment that reduces those outside of the culture of the colonizers impotent. For example the colonization process of Hawaii, the native culture of Hawaii was marginalized by colonization / occupation of those Islands, after the culture was marginalized the King was only a figurehead. I would say the Detroit Artists that created the "Detroit Techno music Industry" (because that's what it is, by the time your art form get's to be a genre it's already an industry) have been marginalized from access to the fruits of those labors, if this were an "Electronic Music Festival" that was not developed off of the Genre "Detroit Techno" music, then there would be little expectation of seeing any "Detroit Techno" artists, DJs, performing. How did we get here? After Derrick May was signed to Kool Kat for management everything changed, as the UK began to embrace the "Detroit sound" they now had a local goto...Kool Kat, so through Kool Kat the "Detroit Techno" music genre was infectiously introduced to the UK and as the European label with the main connection to this sound Kool Kat became the European label well known for acces to this sound too. Before Kool Kat there was no direct connection to "Detroit Techno" nor any way to control the paradigm that "Detroit Techno" had created which was those Blacks in Detroit sholl is Funky! As Kool Kat provided management they setup remixes and production for DM, KS and JA as this happened the UK Electronic sound was changing, they now had direct access to the Detroit recording process so now Nexus 21 becomes Altern 8 and the "Detroit Techno" genre becomes "Electronica", that would be where the serious marginalization of "Detroit Techno" truly started. All the "Techno" charts Kevin Saunderson topped as "Inner City" were now "Electronica" charts and it was a lot more fodder there too because with the genre name change you got a whole new set of players added, not from Detroit. After "Electronica" was established as a genre, the Indie dominance of it would then be marginalized by larger labels and better distribution such that Kool Kat gives way to Ten Virgin Records, and now, other countries in Europe can get their local record labels to see what's possible with this new genre of "Electronica" it's no longer just about "those funky Blacks from Detroit" but electronic artists of any color could be a part of the "Electronica" experience / genre. After fixing the "Electronica" moniker on their artist's, larger labels poised themselves to leverage this new genre and the ERA of the "Techno or House" mix is born, (Thanks Kevin). Before "Electronica" who would expect a Techno mix not from one of Detroit's own? Anybody can do a Techno mix now. Good or Bad, neither, just a recognition of how we got here. So at this point "Detroit Techno" has been rendered "Impotent" and as a show of this you can have a "Detriot Electronic Music Festival" without a majority of Detroit acts. If you have it in Windsor, with a majority of artists from Toronto can you still call it the DEMF? According to this group you can and that's called changing the paradigm. ---www.dictionary.com par·a·digm( P ) Pronunciation Key (pr-dm, -dm) n. 1. One that serves as a pattern or model. 2. A set of assumptions, concepts, values, and practices that constitutes a way of viewing reality for the community that shares them, especially in an intellectual discipline. --- In Rebuttal _"But unless "Detroit Techno" took the legal steps to protect the labeling _of music under that title then all you are left with is some assumed level _of respect from artists outside Detroit that the label belongs only to _Detroit artists." Well, if your familiar with copyrights, publishing or trademark laws then this sort of thing is covered under what's called "usage", if you have a logo, image or sound that you use re
RE: (313) DEMF 2006 RIP
They eat they're own they do..? Errr Hype? Maybe Okay lookit, I'm hollering to the community, we're try're to erect a Detroit vs Chicago party in a venue that can hold about 3-500 should we even bother? djBlkout Holla'Blk [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: seek [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:32 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) DEMF 2006 RIP ""Paxahau presented a sound plan to stabilize and grow the event," said Lucius A. Vassar, the City of Detroit's Chief Administrative Officer." That proposal/plan might well be an interesting piece of reading. "said electronic music pioneer Derrick May. "Jason Huvaere and his group are not only competent event managers, but they are of the electronic music industry."" Crushed by the wheels of "industry". ""said electronic music pioneer Derrick May"I am confident that in their hands, the event's integrity as the world's signature electronic music festival will be preserved, and its operations and management strengthened."" "the world's signature electronic music festival" They left out "Detroit". Literally, for the most part. seek
RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
Thank you Tom! -Original Message- From: fab. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:35 AM To: Thomas D. Cox, Jr.; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up that is one of the most stupid things i have read on this list fab. - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The festival should be a celebration of Detroit music shouldn't it. > Not just another generic rave? youd be suprised at how much that idea is railed against in forums like detroitluv or even this one, apparently. i mean if i wanted to hear drum and bass, id go to london. if i wanted to hear ubercoolische minimal, id go to berlin. if i wanted to hear bad club music, id go to any random club in the world. i wanna hear detroit music. thus, i should go to detroit. tom -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.4/318 - Release Date: 18/04/2006
RE: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up
Well it's a great debate but, when I called to find out about the possibility of adding a renewed Detroit classic (Label) to any kind of of DEMF functions I was told pack it up it's too late already? My response..but you just announced 2-3weeks ago? How could that be? I figured they'd need more submissions? Clearly they took a head-start on things but without leaving any possibilities for Detroit's own? That list lacks... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 10:46 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) complaining about the fuse-in line-up On 4/19/06, Kent Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know I talk with people who are respected artists who have been on > the mailing list, and they don't have much respect for the 'chattering > class' aspect of the 313 list. I'm not calling anyone out, I'm just > saying ... too bad for them if they dont like the "chattering class". my job isnt to appease anyone, its to talk about things in an honest manner. if they dont like that, there must be a reason. honesty must frighten them. > It is really easy to criticize an organization like Paxahau for their > artistic choices, but I think it's missing a major point: Paxahau has > survived in promotion for years -- and a mostly _respected_ player in > the game -- by balancing art and commercialism. Now, they've taken on > a job that could sink both their financial security and their > reputation as promoters. look, if you go back to when they announced that paxahau was doing it, i expressed hope that they would be able to do a decent job and get some good results. then we got that lineup. and all positivity was drained from my feelings about them doing the festival. > Their job is to pack the Plaza. The way you do that is to book people > who are famous to people who don't know that much about techno. Once > they're there, they can learn a thing or two about real Detroit music. > Some of them won't, but some people never learn anything. there are ways to do this, and ways not to do it. the orb is an interesting and decently respectable choice. donald glaude isnt. richie hawtin, for as much hating on that dood as ive done, is even still alright. POTD isnt. > The 313 list is a collection of techno otaku. The perfect 313 list > festival would likely attract people from the 313 list, their > girlfriends and wingmen, and not many more people. That's not going > to fill the plaza. ive never expressed anything negative about past festival lineups, and there were plenty of people at those. i think almost every festival thus far has done a better job of having a balance of good stuff and stuff that will draw lots of people. this one is heavily weighted towards the "drawing lots of people" end. > They will go to see Richie, but once they're there, they will vote > with their feet, and be wherever the music makes them feel good. The > Detroit artists at the festival, who aren't Donald Glaude, or Richie > Hawtin, etc should feel good about their chances with that crowd. yeah right. come on now, you know as well as i that people who are excited about donald glaude or POTD are not going to be the people who even give someone like shake or aux 88 the time of day. its a fundamental difference in music. just because bad trance and house uses similar instruments and structures as good house and techno doesnt mean that theyre related. theyre not. hiphop and soul are much closer to detroit house and techno than doc martin or photek are. > And all those CelebriDJs on the schedule ought to know -- they better > bring it, or they're going to be laughed out of town. Even kids who > don't know who Ron Murphy is, who've never bought a 12", don't know > Mike Banks from Mike Myers, who've never owned a turntable, know when > a DJ is wack. i absolutely disagree. ive witnessed morons at raves going nuts to any number of deejays who couldnt mix, couldnt select a decent track, couldnt do a damn thing! this is what happens when you deal with lowest common denominator music. and thats just what we're starting to see in this lineup. > I think it will be a brilliant festival weekend actually, and if you > want to be a black t-shirt Debbie Downer about the whole deal, it's > your right. Me, I'm going to be dancing like an idiot next to the kid > in the tiger suit. ill be there like always. ill pitch in my money and do my part to make sure that the festival is a success. my family and i (not even counting all the people who are in the large group of people you know we got with) spend a pretty ludicrous amount of money and time to go to this festival. but i will only be burned once. if i wanted to hear bad dance music, i could do that in pittsburgh just fine. i want to go to detroit for something special, not some LCD nonsense. tom
RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room
That's a ridiculous and unfair question about any early Ninties producers from Detroit, name tracks that didn't include an 808 sound? But okay, regarding your question: "From Beyond" "It'a A Shame" "Evolution" "Galaxy" "Static Friendly" "Neurotic" Etc... djBlkout [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Güclüer, Hansi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 8:43 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: SV: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room Televised Green Smoke, yeah? -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: Odeluga, Ken [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Skickat: den 18 april 2006 16:19 Till: J.T.; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Ämne: RE: (313) new carl craig mixes/beauty room J.T. wrote: >looking forward to hearing beauty room stuff... Yeah, me three. As we're on the subject, here's a trivia question to weed out the real geeks from the mere freaks: Can anyone name an original track by Carl Craig or even a remix by him, which features the sound of a TR-808 drum machine? (Sampled 808 allowed, I think.) Ken
