Re: [313] Drexciya
drexciya's aural imaging has always been hot! this album, in my opinion, is not as 'wet' as previous material; maybe abdul did madd art before hearin' finished product, but this album has a real retro feel, quite warmer than their collins class/future push-button battlezones of yoreout.bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 1:21 AM Subject: [313] Drexciya > Just listening to Drexciya - The Quest. > > Any comments on their work. > I'd be interested in verbal descriptions of the work. > thanks > mediadrome > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: RE: [313] Drexciya
no, seriously though, drexciya are richard wagner, richard n. hoez, and philip glass.. *(:^) - Original Message - From: "Roland van Oorschot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 27, 2000 10:08 PM Subject: Re: RE: [313] Drexciya > At 07:50 09/27/2000 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > So I > >will ask the question, who are they?, and did any of them have any classical > >musical training? > > From Phinnweb (a link I mailed you earlier!): > > DREXCIYA RUMOURS: > It is rumoured that one or more Drexciya members have been or are at the > moment in such groups as Elecktroids and Dopplereffekt. All Music Guide > claims on their Ectomorph entry that Gerald Donald is one half of Drexciya. > Even "Mad Mike" Banks has been connected with Drexciya once or more times. > Since very few people know the actual identities of Drexciya, these rumours > will undoubtedly go on and on. > > --- > > Well...let's start just another Drexciya thread! :) > > ltr, > Roland > > > *=- > > Wie heeft verdomme die knoop in m'n zakdoek gelegd? > > urL : http://www.casema.net/~rolando > urL : http://www.mp3.com/scout303 > icQ : 1D1243 (hexadecimal) > > -=* > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
da funk
nick; there are plenty of souls on 313. it's great to see young folk be open - minded enough to check out the trax tha old catz made back in their day. detroit techno has it's roots in these fabulous artists' recordings. to give you a brief analogy: a 1970 model volvo was/ is considered boxy, square, safe, conservative. the 2000 model shares the same basic attributes, only looks a little more polished. a 2000 model cadillac?, don't know much about these, but a 1970 model cadillac coupe - now that's got soul. pity jamaroquoi had the awful vision to rip off innervisions - too high, too highnever comin' down. wonder played all of the instruments on that track...sabb made fighter jets...so did lockheed.out.bond.
Re: [313] Swedish Techno
the swedes produced volvos, prototype airline stewards, absolut, abba, bjorn borg all these people/ entities were successful, methodical, efficient, but people are people, we have to feed our souls, and swedish techno went out with fad diets..for that guy [child] to say that mills / hood are brothers on another planet, makes sense- the clinical nature of his music puts him on par with the writing of j.g. ballard, and the person who made the film where two doctor brothers trade metal instruments...out.bond - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 1:26 AM Subject: [313] Swedish Techno > I think the antagonism to the Swedish stuff arises from the fact that the > likes of Cari and Adam have been so prolific - saturating the market and > subscribing to a formula, even inadvertently. Also it's not material that > you can listen to in different environments necessarily, like on a walkman > in the tram/bus. As DJ tool material, it's OK, but maybe people are not > using it very adventurously. Also I doubt if anyone aside from a > trainspotter could recognise or name a track by either those guys or > Christian Smith - it's very anonymous. It's not like there is a stand-out > track like Jaguar, The Bells, etc. > > It's cyclical and I would say that those guys are are mostly moving on > anyway. > > One great track in that genre is Andrew McLauchlan's (sp) Love Story - but I > am assuming he's British. > > Sure Surgeon and Ruskin and more so Ho subscribe to a more intellectual > ethos but that said Surgeon insisted in an interview here that he has no > affinity with the Mills/Hood cerebralism at all when it comes to techno and > that it's more like having sex for him (his analogy) - a physical urge. > Ruskin's album Point 2 is very derivative of Mills, I feel, but as a DJ he > is excellent. > > >Awww... poor you. Well, it ain't called the Detroit > >313 mailing list fer nothing. Listen to 3 hours of > >easy listening Burt Bacharach style and you'll grow to > >hate "banging" music too... I think it depends on who > >you are tho. > > > >I'm not trying to sound like my parents but you have > >to go out and listen to "proper" music once in a > >while, you'll find yourself hating everything else for > >a couple of days and then you'll incorporate what > >you've "learnt" into your life. That's what happens to > >me anyway... Maybe I'm just weird:) > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Swedish Techno
yes, but bauhaus became ikea - a cheap imitation of the original...out.bond - Original Message - From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [313] Swedish Techno > >Also it's not material that > > you can listen to in different environments necessarily, like on a walkman > > in the tram/bus. > > > I disagree... > > > > Also I doubt if anyone aside from a > > trainspotter could recognise or name a track by either those guys or > > Christian Smith - it's very anonymous. > > I state that this is the utter beauty of it!! Why have an identifiable > artist? Also, the fact that its raw and so undefined allows so much more > room for the listener to project out onto, the Jaguar and other melodic > tracks are, of coarse, amazing in there own right, but the listener has very > little freedom as to what to feel, the track tells them pretty much exactly > how to feel, (notice for kicks and giggles, I'm not mentioning my own theory > by name, but none the less, this is the very appeal I was talking about a > minute ago). I find the some of the real innovation of that "Swedish" > techno and this rhythmically orientated scene for the most part is that the > listener has as much, if not more, autonomy as the artist, minimalism > really, Bauhaus in structure, for the image and recognition of the artist as > a revered entity is completely unnecessary for the listener... > > I think Beyer and Company found an important key, and I hold no grudges for > them making a prolific list of very similar tracks, for since melody is > gone, and their tracks operate on "effect", then why be drastic from change > to change, subtlety is all that is needed for the listener to be free... > > > darw_n > > "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > http://www.mp3.com/darw_n > http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html > http://www.mannequinodd.com > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Re:
i agree. i never bought, was offered a swedish recordon another tangent, i think the scottish dude, ivor, who produced the 2nd most famous turntable in the world, [ linn sondek lp12 ] , was originally from sweden..?..out.bond. - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:20 AM Subject: [313] Re: > I have nothing against what Christian does at all - but would non DJs buy > his stuff or remember the tracks, they're made for the purpose of being DJ > tools. You DJ, so you're in the know. But you ain't gonna get some kid go > into a store and go, what's that track that sounds like this or has this > I don't mind that Swedish stuff, it has its place. I just think it's > run its course - though not in Melbourne clubs!. A lot of DJs who actually > play that Swedish stuff say, 'it's time to move on and introduce new > elements.' I think this is why suddenly everyone is now calling themselves > 'tech-house' as the house thing allows people to introduce new sounds. > > >hmmm... if the truth beknown I've got quite a few > >Christian Smith tunes. I've bought stuff from Tronic > >and Primate and Mankind before and played it out... > >Not my thing tho... I prefer Detroit techno, rugged > >urban style... That's why I joined this list... > > > >I think it all depends on the person, I actually liked > >some of that stuff at the time... I've grown sick of > >it tho... It's the what ppl think when you say you > >listen to techno, they think you listen to that stuff. > > > >bye, > >Nick > > > > > >__ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Yahoo! Photos - 35mm Quality Prints, Now Get 15 Free! > >http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] some toneshifting tracks...
the automobile is the most hideous acoustical environment. the bass people hear is the bunching up of sound nodes which can't escape the small space- especially if you use the trunk as a speaker cabinet - thanx.H.A.L. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [313] some toneshifting tracks... > > In a message dated 9/28/00 12:04:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << > > > > > > I think that people will generate their own "toneshifting" based > > on > > > mood and personality, so to generalize it would be a detrement to the > > > thinking behind it. >> > > > > Is "tone shift" an acoustical term, or something invented for this thread? > The way it's being used here sounds a bit arbitrary. > > When I was in a hisory of music theory class, we talked about some acoustical > phenonmenon such as: > listening to pop CD's on the car radio for EQ ing. > The car speakers can't produce the the low bass tone people claim to hear. > Yet people swear they're hearing the low bass tone. > The psychoacoustical explanation was that people hear the overtones of the > sound, then psychologically superimpose the fundamental of the overtone > series (from previous hearings of what a bass or bass drum should sound like > (from their past experience). > > When I was in school , I never heard of the term "tone shift". > But Hey!, I'm always willing to learn > > mediadrome > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] some toneshifting tracks...
DARW_n : are you trying to do a charles with this 'toneshifting' theory? is this a pet project, or uni thing! please send me detailed info on this theory one day, and i'll print it out, however long it is. out. bond - Original Message - From: "Jonny McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 2:49 AM Subject: Re: [313] some toneshifting tracks... > > But there is method behind my generalization and persuit of this effect, > as > > I will state again, I feel that it is the entire premise and drive behind > > percussive techno (NOT jazzy techno). The reason percussive techno exists > > at such a powerful and popular level is that this effect is occuring with > > most people, whether realized or not. And I would hate to see percussive > > techno go down in the books as merely a interesting yet unimportant music > > and be done. I am concerned with the "why" and "how" in this new music, > and > > the toneshift effect is, IMHO, the main reason behind it... > > This all seems a bit suspect to me. Unless I've read you wrong this is an > effect of which most of its producers aren't even aware. Yet you contend > that this is the basic appeal of the music? I'm sceptical of attempts to > reduce any music to one principal, and I'm especially wary of it with > regards to techno. Such reductionism surely hastens on a music's death - in > trying to justify a particular aesthetic formula you'll end up making > formulaic music. Sure, the minimalism might appeal, or the politics might > appeal, but take the *general* appeal as your starting point, not your > theory. > > > And again, this is what Detroit was after in the beginning, a way to be > free > > and "away" while never leaving the city, the toneshift is what became of > > that search... > > Bollocks. Detroit was after a great time with some great music. (And I > reckon this should come before toneshifting, afro-futurism, neo tribalism or > anything else.) This idea of there being an essential nature to the music > you happen to like is always going to narrow your vision. Of course, the > theory often does play a part in the appeal (witness Drexciya, Mills etc) > and if that's what inspires you, fair enough. I just think it's important to > remember it just plays a *part*, you shouldn't wear it as goggles to view > the world with, if you catch my drift. Basically the music should be your > starting point rather than any of its components. Listen before you think! > > IMO, of course ;) > > Jonny. > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Swedish Techno
i know of another dj in sydney, who is also very cynical, and doesn't get any gigs. his music selections are out there, in space, so just because no-one but about 6 of us understands where he's at, he gets frustrated and disses everyone for their supposed mediocrity. a party is a party; we're there to have a good time after everything is said and done. maybe tha surgeon is bored, maybe he does it solely for the money? - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [313] Swedish Techno > for that guy [child] to say > >that mills / hood are brothers on another planet, makes sense- the clinical > >nature of his music puts him on par with the writing of j.g. ballard, and > >the person who made the film where two doctor brothers trade metal > >instruments...out.bond > > Surgeon is just a very cynical character - or that is how he projects > himself. I would have thought he was more cerebral. > He really loathes the media in a very major way, which doesn't help. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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to the liquor store kit: i need to buy a bottle of absolut. {:-)}
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Re: [313] Woooosh
michael..oh michael, did i ever tell you, err, where my family came
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DENVER??? no michael, we came from
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who are these people/robots
anyone have any info on 'olga+josef ' ep?.been listening to it, wondering if they have recorded any other material in same vein. out. bond.
Re: [313] innovator
derrick did for sure...but i heard someone else was involved: was it martin bonds, or that guy barnett? - Original Message - From: "Kyle J Dupuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 1:16 AM Subject: [313] innovator > > speaking of innovator. . . i have the tresor II compilation which has > 'strings of life' on it by mills. innovator has 'strings of life' on it > by derrick may. so. . .who actually prduced this track? > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Re: [313] innovator
yeah b12 n stasis were good, but sort of streamed on fom de georgio, i think. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "debonair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:58 AM Subject: Re: Re: [313] innovator > > I think you have this confused with Changes of Life which was on the > Tresor II comp...that is by jeff, Strings of Life by derrick was also > co-produced by Carl Craig...a lot of the rythim is rythim stuff was > derrick and someone else...like nude photo with thomas barnett and > r-theme with d-wynn...any others...i know a lot of the songs on Relics > were done by Derrick with Carl as well...but derrick definately deserves > the credit for some of the most beautiful music ever made...listen to > B12 and Stasis...and see where these guys got their influences from. > > minto > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: Re: [313] innovator
i can't confirm, coz i wasn't there..but i recall the name barnett propping up somewhere..anyway that type of behaviour is unwarranted...out. bond - Original Message - From: "Kyle J Dupuy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "debonair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 30, 2000 2:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: [313] innovator > > speaking of derrick co-producing records. . . recall about a month ago > when someone posted to this list that one nite when derrick may was > spinning at temple someone (i can't remember the name) came up and spit on > may's record and (i think) removed the tone arm from the record. i > later heard (although i can't attest to the source's validity) that this > person was jaded towards may because they produced music together back in > the day but may took all the credit and never gave any kickbacks. can > anyone confirm or deny this? > > > > On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > I think you have this confused with Changes of Life which was on the > > Tresor II comp...that is by jeff, Strings of Life by derrick was also > > co-produced by Carl Craig...a lot of the rythim is rythim stuff was > > derrick and someone else...like nude photo with thomas barnett and > > r-theme with d-wynn...any others...i know a lot of the songs on Relics > > were done by Derrick with Carl as well...but derrick definately deserves > > the credit for some of the most beautiful music ever made...listen to > > B12 and Stasis...and see where these guys got their influences from. > > > > minto > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
swedish perfection
i digress; i do actually own a copy of " universal sessions"- lekebush, bobo stenson is one of my favourite pianists, and the forsell air force one is one of the best turntables in the world, [ the other being the rockport technologies sirius three]. hope i reconciled things...out. bond.
Re: [313] Yet another Track ID
women beat their men - voodoo doll...out. bond - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: [313] Yet another Track ID > Ok since every1 has been putting these ID's up, figured I would add one > which I would love to have. Derrick May's live at fuse. The phrase, "women > beat their menand men beat on the drums." with a continuosly beautiful > tribal drum session going on. Thanks. > > Mike > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] planned dj sets, derrick may
too much rigidity and analysis right there! if you don't have da funk, you don't have the funk. period. havin' da funk means you can transcend ANY musical category / genre, and adapt to ANY situation, without need for practice, nor analysis. when you guyz complain about millz / may et al, you must realize that they usually travel wit the same 2 boxes: they ain't doin' no "sultan of brunei - let's test out theze mothas' baggage handling systemz". imagine, if they could take a container of records with them..[ and, if derrick could take hiz entire wardrobe], tha serious damage these brothaz would do! too much analysis killz any other skillz you may possess - you gotta FEEL!. the same deal applies to sex. out. bond. - Original Message - From: "darw_n" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "tristan watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Jim Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 1:40 PM Subject: Re: [313] planned dj sets, derrick may > My opinion of this is that I feel it depends on your approach, either you > playing for the dance, or your playing on a more fluid and compositional > level... > > If your playing primarily towards the dancers, than you need to be able to > shift directions at any given time. > > But if your more of the "here's my thought" type of DJ, playing for the > composition, than a set is often more appealing... > > The best ones of coarse flip around. Playing their piece in-between > segments of playing the dancers piece... > > I carry what I call my "book marked" pieces, in which three or so records > simple *must* be together, then I vary those chunks around... > > But if the "set" is amazing, then by all means, play the set. > > darw_n > > "create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > http://www.mp3.com/darw_n > http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html > http://www.mannequinodd.com > > - Original Message - > From: "tristan watkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Jim Bishop" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: [313] planned dj sets, derrick may > > > > Most of the time he seems to be working from the same > > crate, if you will, and maybe has a few new records > > thrown in. I can't really get tired of it though. He > > does it so damn well. > > > > Now, I'm probably bating more flame, but I like to > > plan my sets within reason, and I've been spining > > vinyl for over six years. I think I posted about this > > a long time ago, and the reaction was not too good, > > especially from a Detroit audience. My problem is > > this: I am not a professional DJ. I have limited time, > > particularly when I'm focusing on making music, so > > when I practice before I spin out, I like to try and > > get an idea of the set I'm going to play. Sometimes > > I'll try to work out two distinct house and techno > > sets, and sort of merge them together when I play live > > in a new way, using a lot of the same songs. It gives > > me a way to practice mixing the songs I'm going to > > play without becoming too repetitive for me as a DJ, > > and the end result still allows me to have some > > flexibility to respond to the crowd, my whim or time > > sudden time constraints. > > > > I *would* shoot from the hip all the time if I had > > that luxury. But I've got lots of records, I like to > > play different records every time I spin (it's a rare > > song that I play out more than three or four times), > > and when I don't have a lot of time to practice I > > "forget" records, and it shows through in my mixing. I > > think any good DJ will tell you that you need to know > > your records. Practicing in this way is how I get > > re-acclimated to the records I hope to play, and helps > > me sound that much better. I don't think that's such a > > bad thing, even if it might kill *some* of the > > spontanaeity towards the beginning of my sets. And > > even if I've heard some of the set, no one else has, > > which in my mind is key. > > > > Tristan > > > > --- Jim Bishop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > what is the general concensus on laying out your > > > whole set ahead of > > > time. I think every time i have seen derrick may > > > play he has played the > > > > > > same tracks in the same order for the mostpart. > > > Here at the esi fest in > > > > > > lansing i swear he played the same set as the demf > > > (for the most part). > > > not to show any disrespect but you even see those > > > guys out there with > > > pitch speeds and other records listed. to an extent > > > its cool when your > > > picking up skills but what if your the "inovator". > > > I myself feel > > > inclined to play what come to mind, granted a couple > > > of > > > steady mixes, is'nt that what makes a dj an artist? > > > jim > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > > [EMAIL PROT
Re: [313] hard house?
you guys are an absolute wealth of information on hard house : how fortunate am i to drink from such a veritable fountain! - Original Message - From: "Dr. Nick Riviera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2000 8:13 AM Subject: RE: [313] hard house? > > >This may be weird irony, but I was just thinking about this very topic > >after seeing some headline on the cover of some UK mag and now as I tread > >through the new Tall Paul mix (it's for work, not pleasure...) > > Suuure. keep on telling yourself that! ;) > > > >I can't define what is and what isn't hard house, since it's an ambiguous > >term, but I do believe that a lot of these trance guys are coming to their > >senses a bit and getting tired of all the formulaic trance that has flooded > >the market for the past 2-3 years. I think a lot of them are turning to > >what's being called "hard house" because it doesn't have as much of the > >clichéd (aka cheese) stuff that makes so many people dis trance. In other > >words, it's a safer sound, a sort of compromise between trance and > >Relief-style hard house. > > First, please do not insult one of my favorite labels by > comparing it to trance music in the UK. Second, it doesn't > matter what horrible music those DJ's hide under. > Bad music is bad music, you can't hide from that fact, jak! > > Peace, > > Kyeo > > NP: Stars. Fingers Inc. > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] no Speedy J?
man, my body be in sydney, my soul be in detroit - wish i could be there completely. james - Original Message - From: "Dale Lawrence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: Re: [313] no Speedy J? > > You know what I'm saying??? > No love in this town... > > Love, > Theorem > > (currently gearing up his new nord module for > the show...) > > At 08:10 PM 10/9/00 -0400, you wrote: > >Thanks for your support. Guess you'll miss out. > > > >Telepathic regards, > >The Kooky Scientist > > > > > > > >>I know I found out yesterday. Sucks. Guess I'm not going. > >> > >>> > >>>I checked the +8 site, and noticed Speedy J is gone off the lineup for > >>>FOMTY... > >>> > >>>how come? > >>> > >>>darw_n > >>> > >>>"create, demonstrate, toneshift..." > >>>http://www.mp3.com/darw_n > >>>http://www.sphereproductions.com/topic/Darwin.html > >>>http://www.mannequinodd.com > >>> > >-- > >Upcoming Gigs: > > > >Oct. 28th - From Our Minds to Yours / Somewhere in Detroit. > > > >Richie Hawtin, John Acquaviva, Daniel Bell (live), The Kooky Scientist > (live), > >Theorem (live), Kenny Larkin, Matthew Hawtin, Clark Warner, Scott Gordon > > > >http://www.plus8.com/classics/fomty.html > > > >Try the Plus 8 Classics/Sonic Foundry Acid contest REDUX @ > >http://www.acidplanet.com/plus8/ > > > >TELEPATHICA P.O.B. 80337Boston, MA02180-0010 > >U.S.A. FX 781-438-3919 > >MP3 Audio Samples @ http://www.mp3.com/FredGiannelli > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Ben Sims
who is ben sims? melbournians might be an impressionable lot, i don't know, but the only headz in sydney who know sims are the [ mostly ] obnoxius record store peddlars, who try unsuccessfully to push the latest fad on to real underground djz james bond. - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > >He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and left with > >a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since Luke > >Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an impression on > >Australia. > > > Not sure about that - but this is a press release-speak, right? And it's by > a Brit, too? :) He made a great impression in Melbourne but, alas, no one > knows who Ben Sims is in Sydney - except for the DJs! The Sydney scene as a > whole just doesn't embrace that music at all. Melbourne, Adelaide and you > could add to that Perth are the techno cities here - according to the > industry consensus. > > I think Stacey Pullen left by far the greater impression in Melbourne a > couple of weeks ago among a wider demographic!! He played for six hours in > Melbourne at the Innovator party along with Derrick Carter - and he played > 'til he was so tired he was kneeling at the decks, and it was sensational. > It was an appreciative, sophisticated crowd and the night had a great vibe. > People are still talking about it! I think it was an inspiration to pair up > these two DJs as they have a great rapport and inspired each other and both > attracted slightly different crowds who ended up experiencing the other DJ > for the first time and were converted. It was a good contrast of > personalities, too - Derrick's droll humour to Stacey's joyful whimsicality. > Derrick played deep and slipped in a few quirky R&B type records - like Mary > Mary's Shackles (Praise You), which is a uptempo gospel/R&B track and a top > 2 hit here, and The Artful Dodger feat Craig David. I believe he played the > Mayday mix of Jaguar, too. Then Stacey played tech-house through to house > and finished with a drum 'n' bass track by Goldie (we think) and Stevie > Wonder during his encores. I am not sure if it's common practice elsewhere > for DJs to do encores but in the clubs they often do them here due to crowd > reception. Stacey received an ovation here - it was the bomb. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Ben Sims
i saw pullen in melbourne a few years back, at the now defunkt " redheads" - agent patrick and myself had a bahnstormin' night in da small room in the epicentre of the club, where a guy / girl combo were layin down some serious grooves. we flew [ 600 ] miles to hear stacey, but alas, 15 mins later , we found ourselves in a room with a much better vibe. i didn't catch him on his recent sojourn: can anyone from sydney give me tha lowdown on what happened there?thanx.james bond. - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > >He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and left with > >a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since Luke > >Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an impression on > >Australia. > > > Not sure about that - but this is a press release-speak, right? And it's by > a Brit, too? :) He made a great impression in Melbourne but, alas, no one > knows who Ben Sims is in Sydney - except for the DJs! The Sydney scene as a > whole just doesn't embrace that music at all. Melbourne, Adelaide and you > could add to that Perth are the techno cities here - according to the > industry consensus. > > I think Stacey Pullen left by far the greater impression in Melbourne a > couple of weeks ago among a wider demographic!! He played for six hours in > Melbourne at the Innovator party along with Derrick Carter - and he played > 'til he was so tired he was kneeling at the decks, and it was sensational. > It was an appreciative, sophisticated crowd and the night had a great vibe. > People are still talking about it! I think it was an inspiration to pair up > these two DJs as they have a great rapport and inspired each other and both > attracted slightly different crowds who ended up experiencing the other DJ > for the first time and were converted. It was a good contrast of > personalities, too - Derrick's droll humour to Stacey's joyful whimsicality. > Derrick played deep and slipped in a few quirky R&B type records - like Mary > Mary's Shackles (Praise You), which is a uptempo gospel/R&B track and a top > 2 hit here, and The Artful Dodger feat Craig David. I believe he played the > Mayday mix of Jaguar, too. Then Stacey played tech-house through to house > and finished with a drum 'n' bass track by Goldie (we think) and Stevie > Wonder during his encores. I am not sure if it's common practice elsewhere > for DJs to do encores but in the clubs they often do them here due to crowd > reception. Stacey received an ovation here - it was the bomb. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Ben Sims
that's exactly right! tools are tools - only an artisan can create beautiful music with them. good art stands on it's own. it's very hard to convey the multiple spectral emotions involved in a good set, if the fundamentals are non-existant. james bond. - Original Message - From: "John Shipman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'debonair'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:32 AM Subject: RE: [313] Ben Sims > i agree that the post below is a little over the top as far as hype is > concerned but,IMO ben sims has been releasing quality stuff for the last > three years so i wouldn't really call it a fad. i think his records are just > good groove orientated dj tools designed with quick mixing in mind, no more > no less. i think that's his point. have yet to hear him spin though. > > > -Original Message- > > From: debonair [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:14 AM > > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit > > Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > > > who is ben sims? melbournians might be an impressionable lot, i don't > > know, > > but the only headz in sydney who know sims are the [ mostly ] obnoxius > > record store peddlars, who try unsuccessfully to push the latest fad on to > > real underground djz james bond. > > - Original Message - > > From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:29 PM > > Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > > > > > > > > > >He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and left > > with > > > >a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since Luke > > > >Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an impression > > on > > > >Australia. > > > > > > > > > Not sure about that - but this is a press release-speak, right? And it's > > by > > > a Brit, too? :) He made a great impression in Melbourne but, alas, no > > one > > > knows who Ben Sims is in Sydney - except for the DJs! The Sydney scene > > as > > a > > > whole just doesn't embrace that music at all. Melbourne, Adelaide and > > you > > > could add to that Perth are the techno cities here - according to the > > > industry consensus. > > > > > > I think Stacey Pullen left by far the greater impression in Melbourne a > > > couple of weeks ago among a wider demographic!! He played for six hours > > in > > > Melbourne at the Innovator party along with Derrick Carter - and he > > played > > > 'til he was so tired he was kneeling at the decks, and it was > > sensational. > > > It was an appreciative, sophisticated crowd and the night had a great > > vibe. > > > People are still talking about it! I think it was an inspiration to pair > > up > > > these two DJs as they have a great rapport and inspired each other and > > both > > > attracted slightly different crowds who ended up experiencing the other > > DJ > > > for the first time and were converted. It was a good contrast of > > > personalities, too - Derrick's droll humour to Stacey's joyful > > whimsicality. > > > Derrick played deep and slipped in a few quirky R&B type records - like > > Mary > > > Mary's Shackles (Praise You), which is a uptempo gospel/R&B track and a > > top > > > 2 hit here, and The Artful Dodger feat Craig David. I believe he played > > the > > > Mayday mix of Jaguar, too. Then Stacey played tech-house through to > > house > > > and finished with a drum 'n' bass track by Goldie (we think) and Stevie > > > Wonder during his encores. I am not sure if it's common practice > > elsewhere > > > for DJs to do encores but in the clubs they often do them here due to > > crowd > > > reception. Stacey received an ovation here - it was the bomb. > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Ben Sims
i believe that good sets are borne from much experience - a chef goes to the market, some funky ingredient becomes the glint in his eye, and presto, it's added to the mix later on at dinner, he instinctly knows it gonna be bad-ass course, people eatin' will be like, " damn, this food is the bomb, have you got somethang else we can wrap our mouths around? " chef doesn't read the recipes any morehe feels it. james bond. - Original Message - From: "John Shipman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'debonair'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "John Shipman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:56 AM Subject: RE: [313] Ben Sims > true enough, but doesn't a good set need to consist of both tools and whole > compositions to provide the right tension and release? and of course all of > this depends on who is mixing, there's so many variables to consider. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: debonair [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:37 AM > > To: John Shipman; Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit > > Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > > > that's exactly right! tools are tools - only an artisan can create > > beautiful > > music with them. good art stands on it's own. it's very hard to convey the > > multiple spectral emotions involved in a good set, if the fundamentals are > > non-existant. > > james bond. > > - Original Message - > > From: "John Shipman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: "'debonair'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Cyclone Wehner" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > > Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 12:32 AM > > Subject: RE: [313] Ben Sims > > > > > > > i agree that the post below is a little over the top as far as hype is > > > concerned but,IMO ben sims has been releasing quality stuff for the last > > > three years so i wouldn't really call it a fad. i think his records are > > just > > > good groove orientated dj tools designed with quick mixing in mind, no > > more > > > no less. i think that's his point. have yet to hear him spin though. > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: debonair [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 10:14 AM > > > > To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit > > > > Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > > > > > > > who is ben sims? melbournians might be an impressionable lot, i don't > > > > know, > > > > but the only headz in sydney who know sims are the [ mostly ] obnoxius > > > > record store peddlars, who try unsuccessfully to push the latest fad > > on > > to > > > > real underground djz james bond. > > > > - Original Message - > > > > From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 9:29 PM > > > > Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and > > left > > > > with > > > > > >a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since > > Luke > > > > > >Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an > > impression > > > > on > > > > > >Australia. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not sure about that - but this is a press release-speak, right? And > > it's > > > > by > > > > > a Brit, too? :) He made a great impression in Melbourne but, alas, > > no > > > > one > > > > > knows who Ben Sims is in Sydney - except for the DJs! The Sydney > > scene > > > > as > > > > a > > > > > whole just doesn't embrace that music at all. Melbourne, Adelaide > > and > > > > you > > > > > could add to that Perth are the techno cities here - according to > > the > > > > > industry consensus. > > > > > > > > > > I think Stacey Pullen left by far the greater impression in > > Melbourne > > a > > > > > couple of weeks ago among a wider demographic!! He playe
Re: [313] Ben Sims
yeah, my brain sets off metal detectors at most clubs - maybe you're right; i'll leave it at home next time! james bond - Original Message - From: "Myke Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > I don't think anyone was trying to call Ben Simms 'innovative', he's > supposedly a great DJ, and produces some nice tracks (nothing special, but > they get your ass shake'n, and that's usually what the DJ is supposed to > do). Sometimes I think people listen too hard at the music, listen with > your ears and ass, not your intellectualism - leave that for home listening. > Just me 2 cents. > > MM > > - music is subjective, don't make it a science. For if you do, the science > will turn what we love into some specific mold, and that's exactly what > 'they' want. > > > >From: Sakari Karipuro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:21:34 +0300 (EEST) > > > > > >hopefully he deejay's better than produces; i mean mixing up old '88 > >houseloops with bassline samples and hooks from few year old housetunes > >and mixing them up with slammin bassdrum can't be described > >"innovative". at least i don't think so. sampling is good, but sampling > >stuff too obvious is quite annoying. > > > >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Lawton David wrote: > > > Last january BEN SIMS tore through Australia > > > like a force 5 hurricane. > > > > > > He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and left > >with > > > a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since Luke > > > Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an impression > >on > > > Australia. > > > > > >/> sakke > >-- > >work > http://www.teraflops.com/ > >personal > http://www.vip.fi/~sakke/ > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Ben Sims
my body only gets into clubs, coz tha list says: " james' brain +1" - Original Message - From: "Myke Mitchell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > I don't think anyone was trying to call Ben Simms 'innovative', he's > supposedly a great DJ, and produces some nice tracks (nothing special, but > they get your ass shake'n, and that's usually what the DJ is supposed to > do). Sometimes I think people listen too hard at the music, listen with > your ears and ass, not your intellectualism - leave that for home listening. > Just me 2 cents. > > MM > > - music is subjective, don't make it a science. For if you do, the science > will turn what we love into some specific mold, and that's exactly what > 'they' want. > > > >From: Sakari Karipuro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] Ben Sims > >Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2000 14:21:34 +0300 (EEST) > > > > > >hopefully he deejay's better than produces; i mean mixing up old '88 > >houseloops with bassline samples and hooks from few year old housetunes > >and mixing them up with slammin bassdrum can't be described > >"innovative". at least i don't think so. sampling is good, but sampling > >stuff too obvious is quite annoying. > > > >On Wed, 11 Oct 2000, Lawton David wrote: > > > Last january BEN SIMS tore through Australia > > > like a force 5 hurricane. > > > > > > He came as a highly recommended and relatively unknown artist and left > >with > > > a reputation as one of the greatest DJs on the planet. Not since Luke > > > Slater's first visit as an artist has an artist left such an impression > >on > > > Australia. > > > > > >/> sakke > >-- > >work > http://www.teraflops.com/ > >personal > http://www.vip.fi/~sakke/ > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] greetings from Adelaide :)
benjamin: australia has always been on the techno map, though our down under geographical position has made it hard for our best dj's and producers to perform on the world stages - yes, there has been exceptions, but the jewels have yet to be polished. don't know about the current state, but adelaide in early nineties was on the absolute forefront of things - just ask 2120. sydney has some slammingly sublime things happenin', but they are supported by a very small minority. most promoters in sydney, unfortunately, promote themselves instead of looking at the big picture of developing a broad-based techno community. it's a crying shame as there is so much talent here. james bond - Original Message - From: "Benjamin Woenig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2000 3:16 PM Subject: [313] greetings from Adelaide :) > Greetings all! > > I just joined the 313 list and I am surprised to see the talk > about Australia! It really seems we are on the map when it > comes to techno... and as I live in Adelaide, there have been > some great DJ's here... and quite an interesting scene. There's > also a lot of bad things about the scene too, but I won't get into > that right now... > > I am 22, and have been producing for sometime, although due > to lack of motivation I haven't played live or released anything > as yet. The best part of 5 years has been spent scrimping and > saving for equipment for my studio, which I share with 2 others. > I would be very much interested in hearing about other's producing > their own techno, what they use etc, to get that "detroit sound". > Of course everyone is different and has their own styles...but > anyway, I'd love to here some feedback on this :) > > cheers :) > ~bud > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] 313 and +61
stay tuned for SO4 - out soon! james bond - Original Message - From: "[tan]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, October 13, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [313] 313 and +61 > From: "debonair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > perform on the world stages - yes, there has been exceptions, but the > jewels > > have yet to be polished. don't know about the current state, but adelaide > in > > early nineties was on the absolute forefront of things - just ask 2120. > > adelaide has the history! big thanks to HMC and Georgie Knight on this > one I think you'll find adelaide will always be on the forefront. it got > into the detorit and chicago sounds much earlier than any other australian > city, it has a history to build on. adelaide is truly going through a > resurgence. Undefined, Robotik, Fringe Dwellers and Red Light District have > really revitalised the techno community here... hasnt been this good in a > long time! > > without the likes of Southern Outpost in Sydney and Truck in Melbourne > things in those cities (and for that matter oz!) wouldn't be as good. SO001 > goes down a treat in adelaide! > > tan... > -- > graham [tan] wilson - i don't know why ... but i'm feelin' so sad > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://fnord.fishwerx.org/tan > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
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for some live webcast action, tune into sydney radio 2ser-fm, on www.2ser.com now. we will be runnin' for next 4hrs after this message is posted. enjoy james bond.
Re: [313] Re: Jaguar Video
just on a subliminal tangent on da video 187 da radio star tip, did anyone see the model500 clip from a couple of years back - the one where juan does tha red october thing, and emerges from the sea in a sexy wetsuit, while some photogenic wannabes playin' da role? just d-typed my memorythe road from detroit to coventry iz a long one. bond.james bond. - Original Message - From: "Nick Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 18, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: [313] Re: Jaguar Video > Hi, > No sweat about your post. All views are valid... I was > actually the one who posted that ""commercial" music > is what the public is fed, "underground" music we have > to SEEK OUT to find, a need of a certain kind of > people..." thing. > > I have very strong feelings about music... In fact I > share your views in a way. I saw the new Jaguar > release in HMV the other day... Made me kind of upset. > This tune has been an anthem for everything we stand > for, the passion, the power, our love against > commercialism. It stood for everything, when the > remixes came out I was really quite emotional. I seem > to associate charty commercial dance with all the > people I hate and all the things that have hurt me. > There will be kids into trancy cheese going out and > buying this, not understanding exactly what it means > to us... > > l8r, > Nick (Dj Pacific:) > > > after reading my post, i disagree with most of what > > i said too... i wish i > > could take it back, but too many people have read it > > and responded to it, oh > > well. > > > > i guess what i meant to say was i just didn't want > > to see too many of the > > 'wrong' fans in this... i think one of the coolest > > things about going to a > > good techno party or even a good techno club is that > > the majority of the > > people understand it's about the music, and not the > > glory/image/popularity. > > the majority of people who listen to underground > > music have this > > appreciation for the music like no other. > > > > i think Jaguar has the huge potential to bring new > > listeners in of all > > different backgrounds and musical tastes, it has > > something to satisfy > > everybody. i don't think it will necessarily be a > > bad thing to show it on > > TV, but i also don't think it will necessarily be a > > bad thing for it NOT to > > show on TV. i guess that was more of what i was > > trying to say. > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] UR - Belgian Resistance/I.D. HELP WANTED
" the world power alliance was formed somewhere in detroit, michigan u.s.a. on may 22, 1992 at 4:28p.m. by various elements of the worlds underground legions. the alliance is dedicated to the advancement of the human race by way of sonic experimentation." -UR they still true to their word - bond, james bond. - Original Message - From: "Nick Walsh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Christian Bloch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [313] UR - Belgian Resistance/I.D. HELP WANTED > As far as I know there are only 3 WPA releases and > World Power Alliance are the original UR (Mills, Banks > etc.). > > l8r, > Nick(Dj Pacific:) > --- Christian Bloch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I hope someone can help me with this. I have this > > Underground Resistance, > > World Power Aliance 003 - Belgian Resistance 12" > > (one-sided). Does anyone > > know who made this track, and if the other W.P.A. > > are by the same people? > > And are there any W.P.A. after #3 ? > > > > any help appreciated > > > > Christian Bloch > > www.mp3.com/bloch > > > > Tresor/Simple Music/LL/Funque Droppings/Deep Night > > Essentials/Set.Go > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. > http://im.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Jaguar shopping
i'm glad you didn't purchase from a link in the chain - do everyone a favour and support your local techno outlet; if your on this list, you should know who and where they are.where are they hiding? bond. james bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2000 9:55 PM Subject: [313] Jaguar shopping > After going shopping (in the UK) for a copy of the CD single version of > Jaguar (I was after that video) I can see why its not any higher in the > charts, in fact its miraculous anyone knows anything about it at all. I went > to MVC first, and was quickly dissapointed, I asked if they had it, and > apparently they only stock the top 40 singles. So then I went to Virgin, > thinking it should be easy to find there. I looked in the new releases > section, and it was nowhere to be seen (but wasnt it released last week or > something?). It wasnt in the chart section either. So I asked at the > counter, and the staff guy went rummaging through the CD Singles section, and > eventually produced one copy of it, apparantly the only one in the shop. And > it didn't have the video on it, it had the original mix, the Jeff Mills mix, > and a third one that I didn't recognize. > > Whether this is a good thing or bad thing, I dont really care to comment on. > I would still like to have a look at that video though, I guess I'll just > have to order it or something. > > Aaron > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] UR live pa tape
yeah, alan certainly did dj on that ur tour, in sydney anyway. five o busted the joint, coz it was in an outdoor courtyard. funny, coz this was held in an industrial area ( alexandria ). ur got interrupted, and the jam moved into the small second room, which served it's daytime use as a meatlocker. the industrial/ graff surrounding was an excellent canvas for ur's manic art. bond.james bond. - Original Message - From: "Jason Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2000 12:50 PM Subject: RE: [313] UR live pa tape > >>I got hold of a recording of a live UR pa from new york 1992, it > >>starts of with sonic destroyer(i think), amazon's on there, > >>there's also an MC on there (Rob Hood?) > >>about 4-5 tracks in human resource - dominator drops in and someone (Jeff > >>Mills?) starts djing.. > > was this the standard fare, live and dj sets combined for the UR pa's? >>what > was the lineup for UR at the time? > > >yeah some sort of. although they didn't that many live show > > they toured australia late 92 also, same deal as marsel outlines for the > utrecht show.. rob 'the noise' hood mc'ing, banks on machines and t-1000 > 9alan oldham) was the dj as mills quit UR two days before the tour.. > > IMO this was UR at their peak - at least here in adelaide _everyone_ who was > into any serious form of dance music at all was into UR. It's changed a hell > of a lot since.. > > > > j > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] shake
might be on puzzlebox - Original Message - From: "Batory, Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Peter B Leidy'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "'313'" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, October 26, 2000 1:38 PM Subject: RE: [313] shake > >what label was shakes "piece of ice" track released on (didnt keith tucker > >have a hand in that?). and who wants to sell me their double? :) > > Just a guess, but I'd say its on Central Records. > > Respect > JasonB > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] heiko laux?
i quite like his compositions for the mood he evokes. his work is pretty minimal, mainly four on da floor, with very nice chords floatin' all over the midrange. heiko laux is obviously a deep thinker, with the introspect of an astute observer of the detrimental component of society. his work is parallel to vladimir manshansden, jochem peteri, stefan robbers, thomas koner...in that it portrays beauty in a manner which is akin to the beauty which is contained in a negative, which has yet to be processed into a photograph - it's there, but only apparent to the experiencd eye. it's a quite dark viewpoint. forget the re-mixes; they're like taking your painstakingly composed images to the 1 hr fotomat. bond.james bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2000 12:28 AM Subject: [313] heiko laux? > Anyone ever hear anything buy this guy?Reviews, opinions? > > > > ~Z > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] RTRFM 92.1 Ambient Zone Webcast - Ground Zero/ TechnoTourist Feature
while you're in konersville, you might wanna feel the esoteric depth of biorhythms, on 2ser-fm, at 23:00 sunday evening, sydney time. for jaded listeners only - just ask otto find the audio stream at: www.2ser.com thank you. bond. james bond - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2000 3:43 AM Subject: [313] RTRFM 92.1 Ambient Zone Webcast - Ground Zero/ TechnoTourist Feature > Hi all, > > Just a reminder of Sunday's Ambient Zone program 23.00-01.00 (WST) > on RTRFM 92.1 FM Perth, Western Australia, which you can check out > via realaudio at - http://rtrfm.ii.net > > The finest low-frequency electronic listening music showcased each week. > This week Otto Koppius is in Perth and we are privileged to have him drop > some tracks from the forthcoming releases on Ground Zero and TechnoTourist > labels. > > Timezones: Detroit (EST) 10.00-12.00 Frankfurt (CET)/ London (GMT) > 16.00-18.00 > Other global timechecks can be accessed at www.globalmetric.com/time. > > Best Regards, > A_Zed > _ > Program Co-ordinator, Ambient Zone RTRFM 92.1 > Sunday Electronic Listening > > http://rtrfm.ii.net/";>Click here: RTR FM 92.1 Perth Western Australia > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] "Funky Music" off topic
it should be on fantasy records. try goodgroove records in sydney - don't know they electro hwy. address, sorry.. bond.james bond. - Original Message - From: "Matthew Gerbasi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:10 AM Subject: [313] "Funky Music" off topic Sorry but I thought if any one would know where to locate this on vinyl someone on this list would "Funky Music" Donald Byrd and the Black Birds mg - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Fw: Transmat Presents...
the grass is always greener... ..i got nothing against people peering over tha picket to check what's growing in their neighbours garden ( it's the human compulsion ), BUT WHEN are people gonna start to learn how to appreciate what they have. wats tha big deal about IMPORTS? in an age where technology and security are of paramount importance, it seems as though INSECURITY reignz diana ross appreciate and cultivate your garden.. .then observe and implement your visions. debonair. - Original Message - From: "* ani *" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [313] Fw: Transmat Presents... > what's sad is that the majority of people who listen to "techno" in > detroit have no idea who these people are. techno to them is madonna > "music" & "ass & titties" > > ani (usually bitter this early in the morning...) > > jeffrey wrote: > > > > its not fair that you guys get RESIDENT DJS like that. > > > > *wipes drool off floor* > > > > JEFF > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Tim Baker [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:13 PM > > > To: 313 > > > Subject: [313] Fw: Transmat Presents... > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message - > > > From: "Derrick Ortencio" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 2:16 PM > > > Subject: Transmat Presents... > > > > > > > > > > >Transmat Presents... > > > > >Every Other Thursday @ The Temple > > > > > > > > > >November Line-up > > > > > > > > > >11/02 Ron Trent . Tony Ollivierra > > > > > > > > > >11/16 Rolando . Lawrence Burden > > > > > > > > > >11/30 Juan Atkins . (birthday boy) Mike Grant > > > > > > > > > >21+ > > > > > > > > > >The Temple - 344 9 Mile Rd/ Ferndale / 248-414-7400 > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] BASTA!!! to liner notes comments
man, NO ONE should EDIT jeff in ANY WAY. no one should edit his, or anyone else's method of expression. you, kent, said it yourself ; " i'm a fan of expressing yourself clearly and concisely ". ... one person's glass is another person's steel why edit art, kent? why edit jeff's nature, kent? bond. james bond - Original Message - From: "Kent williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 list" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, November 03, 2000 2:46 AM Subject: [313] BASTA!!! to liner notes comments > I didn't mean to create a monster thread, and as I said my respect for > Mills is total. I was, back in the day, an English major, and spend time > thinking about words, in addition to music, and I'm a fan of expressing > yourself clearly and concisely. > > To tell the truth my main concern is that Jeff has loads of extremely > interesting things to say, and he gets dogged over and over about the > stuff he writes. Obviously his strengths lie in non-verbal communication, > and his attentions are NOT focused on Strunk & White. I just think that > if someone at Axis would edit what he writes, his message would come > across a lot better. > > kent williams -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://jump.to/cornwarning -- Iowa's First Techno Record Label > http://www.mp3.com/chaircrusher -- tunes > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] contact for mills
advanced hair yeah, yeah! debosalon - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 11:21 PM Subject: Re: [313] contact for mills > > > strange comment, havin a bad hair-day? > > 154 > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Fw: [313] warped records
- Original Message - From: "debonair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, November 06, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: Re: [313] warped records > put the warped record, flat, between > two heavy panes of glass, and leave in the > sun for a little while.. use flat surface, > or suspend the glass on two crates or something. > > remove straightass vinyl from heat, into the shade, > but leave it sandwiched between the glass. > allow to chill. > > try this on your impulse buys before trying > to sort out your gemz. > > bond.james bond. > - Original Message - > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2000 1:04 PM > Subject: [313] warped records > > > > I know this has been posted many times before but a a couple of friends > and I > > just wanted to get some specific directions on unwarping our records > before > > we stick them into the oven to long or something. So if anyone can tell > me > > how to do it it would be greatly appreciated. > > > > thanks > > -Stacey > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >
Re: [313] Ford and Atkins
i think it is very kool! educate! as long as the music involved is not watered down, and juan get's paid, what's wrong with that? people must open themselves to others just a little, but still live by they principles. the view from the summit is always great, but it can be much better when you can share it. criticism n envy will make you depressed. bond.jamesbond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 11:26 AM Subject: Re: [313] Ford and Atkins > what does everyone think about this? > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION
first of all, it's aston martin. as seen driven by vintage bonds. and the body. second; ford is run by an aussie. he's a tough boss - street educated thirdly; to cut costs they use ford switchgear in aston martin and jaguar autos. the purists complain. detroit continues to infiltrate the world. vw has germany tied up in a sort of third wave, but detroit's chrysler hooked up with benz... who will buy bmw? bond.jamesbond. - Original Message - From: "FRED MCMURRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION > Ford owns Jaguar automobiles as well as some others (Volvo, Autin Marten, > Mazda...) but why the hell would they put a Jaguar on their Ford brand cars? > That's like putting a Rolls Royce label on a Toyota. Does it have anything > to do with the UR tune? I couldn't see them really trying to connect on this > level. It's just too deep a connection (Detroit Techno = UR's Jaguar) for a > company to try and market it this way. Doesn't make sense. > > Fred > > > >From: "*** ASKEW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:05:09 GMT > > > >defragged wrote: > >Focus and Street Edition will feature an image exclaiming "Detroit > >>Techno" on posters and in print ads. > >> > >>The Street Edition is the third in a series of Focus statement cars > >>built since Focus was launched in the U.S. last year. The Sony Limited > >>Edition Focus and the Kona Mountain Bike Edition were the first two > >>statement cars. > > > > > >Apparently the 'Sony Ltd. Edition' Focus features European > >styling, 'Jaguar' badges (in place of Ford badges) and is decked out in > >British racing green. But, I hear the highway performance is > >disappointing compared to the Detroit Techno/Street Edition. > > > > > >awareness, interest, desire, action, satisfaction > >~Askew > > > >_ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION
bmw owns the spirit of ecstasy... vw/audi owns bentley.. i can feel a merger... - Original Message - From: "FRED MCMURRY" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION > Ford owns Jaguar automobiles as well as some others (Volvo, Autin Marten, > Mazda...) but why the hell would they put a Jaguar on their Ford brand cars? > That's like putting a Rolls Royce label on a Toyota. Does it have anything > to do with the UR tune? I couldn't see them really trying to connect on this > level. It's just too deep a connection (Detroit Techno = UR's Jaguar) for a > company to try and market it this way. Doesn't make sense. > > Fred > > > >From: "*** ASKEW" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: Re: [313] FOCUS DETROIT TECHNO/STREET EDITION > >Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 03:05:09 GMT > > > >defragged wrote: > >Focus and Street Edition will feature an image exclaiming "Detroit > >>Techno" on posters and in print ads. > >> > >>The Street Edition is the third in a series of Focus statement cars > >>built since Focus was launched in the U.S. last year. The Sony Limited > >>Edition Focus and the Kona Mountain Bike Edition were the first two > >>statement cars. > > > > > >Apparently the 'Sony Ltd. Edition' Focus features European > >styling, 'Jaguar' badges (in place of Ford badges) and is decked out in > >British racing green. But, I hear the highway performance is > >disappointing compared to the Detroit Techno/Street Edition. > > > > > >awareness, interest, desire, action, satisfaction > >~Askew > > > >_ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > >Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > >http://profiles.msn.com. > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] musical question ... minimal classical
the obvious are works by philip glass, steve reich, gavin bryars, arvo part. try, claude debussy, gyorgi ligeti, olivier messaien, henri gorecski, samuel barber, dimitri shostakovich ...explore the depths all these artists have produced works which are very close to my heart. bond. jamesbond. - Original Message - From: "Null DuJour" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 8:56 AM Subject: [313] musical question ... minimal classical > Could anyone please point me in the direction of some > kind of minimal experimnetal classical music? > It would be greatly appreciated. > > thx. > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Which gerald?
hey danik! a guy called gerald comes from manchester, u.k... ...the other gerald comes from chicago ...the other gerald is from marz debonair - Original Message - From: "Danik Stevenson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2000 6:41 PM Subject: [313] Which gerald? > hey! hello! and howdy! > > what is the difference between 'A Guy Called Gerald' ... and 'Jammin > House Gerald'..? > > Enlightenment required and much appreciated... > > D :") > > __ > Get your free Australian email account at http://www.start.com.au > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Dancefloor friendly?
thank you, i think i just might try some booty in da mix. sounds very dancefloor friendly every detroit record has some soul for the dancefloor... ...well, nearly every detroit record. have fun and experiment in da mix, and push tha wurlitser mentality to da kerb.. don't create parameters for yourself by trying too hard to stay musically upfront... the old records you mention are timeless and perpetually p - funked! debonair - Original Message - From: "Michael Kim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [313] Dancefloor friendly? > > you might want to try booty, it's dancefloor friendly if you don't mind > people freaking while you're spinning. > > Aaron Carl-Down > DJ Assault-Sex on the Beach > Drexciya-Bubble Metropolis > > for starters... the Neptune's Lair album from Drexciya is pretty danceable > too. > > these three tracks are anthems, but not annoying like a lot of booty. > > Mike > > >From: Jon Schoning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] Dancefloor friendly? > >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 15:47:34 -0600 > > > >I've been spinning house and techno with some sucess but i can't keep > >myself away from the older detroit labels like Red Planet and Transmat. > >I desprately want to start spinning this music but i have no idea if it > >is "dancefloor friendly", which is important if i'm going to spend a lot > >of $$ on it. > > > >Does anyone have any experience in using this music to move a party or > >is it just becoming home-listening stuff (hopefully not)? > > > >Also have a lot of the same questions about electro... > > > >If yes, can someone point me to the direction of some essential tunes > >every detroit techno DJ must have? > > > >-Jon Schoning > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Peter Gabriel and 313?
"the rhythm is in my sssooolll"
yeah, i've flipped that at a party before
debonair
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Subject: Re: [313] Peter Gabriel and 313?
> Passion, aka the soundtrack for The Last Temptation of Christ.
> beautiful music. similarly for me in that 'era' of music was the
> soundtrack for The Mission; Morricone isn't very near detroit, but i
> always think of The Mission when i hear Passion.
>
> thoughts... a lot of agreement. And a recommendation that you listen
> to the Birdy soundtrack, also by peter gabriel. the whole thing is
> completely amazing, but inparticular listen to 'Birdy's Flight' and
> 'The Heat'. i've always wished that i would hear 'The Heat' at a
> party. hawtin could probably pull that off..
>
> And while we're (i'm) talking soundtracks in this vein, the Tangerine
> Dream tracks from Risky Business, and in a much stranger way Stewart
> Copeland's Rumble Fish, have always had made me think about detroit.
>
>
> At 2:02 AM -0800 12/12/00, darw_n wrote:
> >I am listening right now to Peter Gabriel's 1989 release "passion" and
first
> >off, I am blown away, and second, I can find many precursors to today's
> >techno...
> >
> >any thoughts?
> >
> >darw_n
> >
> >"re-evolut_on..."
> >www.sphereproductions.com
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Re: [313] UR and KDJ - What?
brotha,
if you ain't down with drivin' a jaguar,
then maybe playstation will emulate
the experience for you.
..maybe you own stock?
...maybe you have a stack of
honey at your domain
love,
debonair.
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Subject: [313] UR and KDJ - What?
> I was just about to try and book tickets for this,
> but I think I'm going to pass. My condolences to
> those who did and now have to wait and see.
>
> If it turns out they agreed to do this gig,
> then blew it off, I vote everyone on the list
> buy ten copies of the Sony Jaguar remix to
> support a company that delivers on promises.
>
> Matt
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Re: [313] hi / is this true?
yeah, you be using my texta all da time... seriously though, the reason i black texta is to differentiate the sides, so that i instantly know which side i wanna play. it is too time and brain consuming, to read labels in the dark. trainspotters be damned. you're better off writin' down some vital info...like phone numbers! debonair. - Original Message - From: "Southern Outpost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "ab" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [313] hi / is this true? > It was done and is still done (on a smaller scale)... I know a few > people who like to black the labels out. > > I think it stems from old hip hop days with dj's trying to out > perform competing dj's with tricks and rare records. They used to put > paper ontop of the label or use texta or white-out to cover up any > vital info that would giveaway their arsenal... > > Peace, > Patrick. > > > > At 6:12 PM -0800 26/12/00, ab wrote: > >Hi All > > > >Im new to the list... quick intro > >Been very keen on jungle for the last 6 years or so (bukem/fabio and the > >like) until a few months ago at a party where I discovered Stacey Pullen > >playing in the small room. Went back to the jungle room and couldnt deal > >with the rubbish coming out of the speakers - back into techno room. Dont > >get me wrong, I still love my dnb but that horrible (and famous) dj playing > >that junk music (?) opened my eyes to other things on the night (thanks > >Mickey Finn! LOL). > > > >Theres my story. Now to the questioning... > > > >Just curious abuot something - is it true that lots of detroit djs take the > >labels off records so nobody knows what tunes they are? i heard that on > >occasion some people stand around the dj with notepads and write down > >everything thats played (hence the peeling off of labels). > > > >True/False? > > > >Hi to those on the list who I know.. I'm sure you are there somewhere! - ill > >go back into hiding now :) > > > >ab > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -- > > Agent Patrick - The Sentinel. > Southern Outpost, Sydney, AU > http://www.southernoutpost.com > D E M A N D I N N O V A T I O N > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] OT- sarah jones- your revolution
yeah, her lyrics cut deep... try rawkus complyricist lounge ..something about "blood" debonair. - Original Message - From: "mee-thod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [313] OT- sarah jones- your revolution > > 313ers r a pretty informed bunch so... > I am looking for more information on Sarah Jones, the poet/vocalist in dj > vadim's 'your revolution'. I wanna know if she's done other stuff. > > thanks :) > > emma > mee-thod > -it's in the way that you groove it- > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] the LONG & short of dj sets
yeah, heaps of brick walls in sydney to stick those beautiful words upon... . debonair. - Original Message - From: "David Gillies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2001 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [313] the LONG & short of dj sets > > > > I mean c'mon, you spend all this time and money, heart and soul, in this > > hobby, why not > > get some recognition? > > > > Stop making excuses, if you're good, then bring it on! > > Thanks Glyph, those were some really inspiring words. I think I might print > that out and stick it up on my wall. I need the inspiration, since I'm a > born pessimist. :( > > out.d. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1
dats right! too much analysis, and you're " lost in music ".. .. " there's no turning back ".. it's all g . debonair. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [313] JEFF MILLS-MARCH 1 > > In a message dated 2/2/01 9:53:25 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > << err, no i don't. > > see, that's the whole thing about opinions. each person's is as valid as > the next, be they innovator, inventor, or first-time listener. > > Ever been to a movie you didn't like? Better yet, ever seen a movie > billed as "innovative" or "a classic" that you didn't like? I highly > doubt you've directed a feature-length motion picutre which has recieved > national distribution. Yet I bet you'd feel free (as a bird) to voice your > opinion if you thought a movie was crap. > > The whole idea of having to pay some sort of unattainable dues before > you're entitled to voice any sort of criticism is ridiculous. You may be > ALAN OLDHAM, but your position as a figure of some importance in the > detroit scene doesn't place your opinion above any of ours. if you'd like > to start a dialogue where we discuss Jeff Mills's current performances in > relation to his past works, I'll be more than glad to participate. But > hovering in the background and coming out to tell us all to shut up just > doesn't work. > > chris > >> > > blah blah blah. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Subject Detroit
yeah 'black lives' is a raw mutha! reminds me of kalamazoo millesime '96 debonnaire. - Original Message - From: "ryan burns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 11:49 AM Subject: Re: [313] Subject Detroit > > dj bone has a 12 on subject detroit with a track called Black Lives. its a > great track. the kind of track that will slap you like a bitch. if you > havent checked out his mix cd you should get it. > > > > >Original Message Follows > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arne Weinberg) > >To: 313@hyperreal.org > >Subject: [313] Subject Detroit > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 20:26:58 +0100 > > > >Hello everybody... > > > >I got this 12" for a long time and wonder who was the artist behind it. > >It´s > >called "Unleashed" and it´s produced by Subject Detroit. It was released on > >a > >label of the same name. I never heard of another release of Subject Detroit > >again. Who is the person behind and are there any other releases?? > > > >Thanx in advance. > > > > > >Arne > > > > > > > > > >"Circle seeker in a cubic world" > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > >_ > >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] RE- I Have a Dream
geeezz, millen to millen sounds like mike n dego to me ... . debonnaire. - Original Message - From: "jose bello" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 12:45 PM Subject: [313] RE- I Have a Dream > I have a dream but in my dream Ian O´Brien isn´t here > with Mike Banks because Ian O´Brien is a vulgar > imitator. > In my dream Mike Banks is confined in a elevator with > Derrick May writing tracks like Millenium II > Millenium,this track is the meeting of Mike with > Derrick. > Don´t Believe the Hype,enjoy the real TECHNO !!! > > > ___ > Do You Yahoo!? > Consiga gratis su dirección @yahoo.es en http://correo.yahoo.es > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] re: Derrick May questions?
it's extremely sad that, behind all the idolization, hand shaking networking, etc., etc., there still exists this mean, cut down, tall poppy syndrome sheizer! as cyclone mentioned, derrick is definately a free spirit. LEAVE HIM ALONE. dante will see you all in purgatory hills. one day. james. - Original Message - From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [313] re: Derrick May questions? > I wasn't even go to reply to this but my hands got the better of me. > >hows about we all get together and pay you to give him chinese burns until > >he agrees to make another album. > > Man, I can't even believe people say these things. That would make him even > less likely to do one. He is a free spirit and I'm sure he will do it when > he feels the timing is right. > > Can you imagine how often Derrick must get asked this? Come up with some > deep, leftfield, creative questions that challenge him, not the obvious > ones. Try to empasise with him. Also if you want to ask him about the past, > also ask him about now, the future. It's not very tactful to just ask > artists about the past when they have so much more to offer. That's why the > word 'icon' is better than 'legend' because it's timeless. I promise if you > think about it, it will be really rewarding. > > >or there's the question I once asked andy weatherall... "being a 'legend', > >do you ever wonder you might go sh*t and no-one would tell you?" > > I seriously doubt whether that would happen. Transmat artists are > notoriously perfectionist about their work and hard on themselves and from > what I can gauge they tell each other EXACTLY what they think - maybe that's > something to do with the Detroit community, that creatice competitiveness, I > don't know. Also I don't know why people feel the need to ask questions with > a negative slant like that. The implication is kinda cruel. It's not like > Derrick has ever released something substandard, it's not like he is overly > prolific with no quality control. Even artists have feelings. If someone > were to ask me that I would feel quite uncomfortable. I don't know how > Derrick would react, but I would feel offended. > > It's like that Eryakah Badu line from the live CD that goes something like > "Be careful I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my s**t." > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Fw: [313] re: Derrick May questions?
- Original Message - From: "debonair" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [313] re: Derrick May questions? > > it's extremely sad that, behind all the idolization, hand shaking > networking, etc., etc., > there still exists this mean, cut down, tall poppy syndrome sheizer! > > as cyclone mentioned, derrick is definately a free spirit. > LEAVE HIM ALONE. > > dante will see you all in purgatory hills. > > one day. > > james. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Cyclone Wehner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "313 Detroit" <313@hyperreal.org> > Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [313] re: Derrick May questions? > > > > I wasn't even go to reply to this but my hands got the better of me. > > >hows about we all get together and pay you to give him chinese burns > until > > >he agrees to make another album. > > > > Man, I can't even believe people say these things. That would make him > even > > less likely to do one. He is a free spirit and I'm sure he will do it when > > he feels the timing is right. > > > > Can you imagine how often Derrick must get asked this? Come up with some > > deep, leftfield, creative questions that challenge him, not the obvious > > ones. Try to empasise with him. Also if you want to ask him about the > past, > > also ask him about now, the future. It's not very tactful to just ask > > artists about the past when they have so much more to offer. That's why > the > > word 'icon' is better than 'legend' because it's timeless. I promise if > you > > think about it, it will be really rewarding. > > > > >or there's the question I once asked andy weatherall... "being a > 'legend', > > >do you ever wonder you might go sh*t and no-one would tell you?" > > > > I seriously doubt whether that would happen. Transmat artists are > > notoriously perfectionist about their work and hard on themselves and from > > what I can gauge they tell each other EXACTLY what they think - maybe > that's > > something to do with the Detroit community, that creatice competitiveness, > I > > don't know. Also I don't know why people feel the need to ask questions > with > > a negative slant like that. The implication is kinda cruel. It's not like > > Derrick has ever released something substandard, it's not like he is > overly > > prolific with no quality control. Even artists have feelings. If someone > > were to ask me that I would feel quite uncomfortable. I don't know how > > Derrick would react, but I would feel offended. > > > > It's like that Eryakah Badu line from the live CD that goes something like > > "Be careful I'm an artist and I'm sensitive about my s**t." > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] cybotron - cosmic cars/the line
yes a is for aaron, and yes he is juan's bro. james. - Original Message - From: "james boylan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [313] cybotron - cosmic cars/the line > Many of Juan Atkins' earlier collaborators often seem to sink into obscurity > like on 'Technicolor' some fella called Doug Craig...on 'Let's Go' > someone called A Atkins (brother?...that track 'Amuk'.can't remember all > the names and details.anyone with any 'Where are they now' anecdotes? > Jesus, I'm venturing into serious trainspotting territory now.. > > >From: "Stewart Caig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >Subject: Re: [313] cybotron - cosmic cars/the line > >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 08:48:33 - > > > >3040 was the pseudonym for Rik Davies, Juan's partner in Cybotron who took > >the group solo when Juan left. > > > >Peace > >Stewart > >- Original Message - > >From: "Scotto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <313@hyperreal.org> > >Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 11:49 PM > >Subject: [313] cybotron - cosmic cars/the line > > > > > > > I saw this album the other day. cybotron cosmic cars/ the line on > >fantasy > > > d-212-a. > > > and it credit juan and some other guy who was number if I remember right > >it > > > was 3040? > > > > > > who is this 3040 person? (hope i remember it right?) > > > > > > very curious > > > > > > Scott Laakso --- > > > --- i majin / imagine > > > http://www.mp3.com/i_majin > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6 NEW track by [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > >- > >To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > _ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Sydney Guide / News
maybe somebody in europe or the states could do themselves a favour and tour some of australia's more, unique, dj's, whose style would be much appreciated.. WORD OF WARNING! do you're research VERY thoroughly, coz you get the star-spangled set, you gonna be curtains! look deeper. . debonair. - Original Message - From: "David Gillies" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "T Mind" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [313] Sydney Guide / News > > Hey Australia > > > > Why havent we seen any of these guys their like Keith Tucker, Scan 7 , > > Anthony Shakir, Aux 88,Optic Nerve.HMM > > Pretty obvious reasons really. Exchange rates, airfare costs, > uneducated/uninterested people, the scene, blah blah blah. > > Are you willing to pony up the cash?? > > out.d. > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
technobitchez slug it out in paddock
plastic spice n' speedy spice no, plastic spice n' rubber spice..no, duke of windsor spice n' earl of brighton spice...no, rich spice n' red spice..why can't we just get along?
Re: [313] mills & metropolis
yeah, dat was quite an interesting set, guyda d. - Original Message - From: "Andrew Chuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2000 9:23 PM Subject: Re: [313] mills & metropolis > Metropolis is a masterpiece and a great movie to put techno music over the > top of. > > For a start, it's a silent movie, so the visual element is designed to tell > the story by itself. Second, the theme being technology lends itself to > techno music. > > At a party about 5 years ago in Sydney I played a set while Metropolis was > projected in front of the crowd. > > Some tracks that I think go really well together with the movie are: > LFO's 'Tied Up' for a really industrial feel in the early scenes with the > men working the machines. It's visually very rhythmic. > > Dopplereffekt's 'I am a scientist' is good during the scenes in Rotwang's > laboratory, and 'Pornostar' when the girl dances in front of the men. > > Drexciya's Bubble Metropolis or Waveriders during the Babel tower scene. In > fact, Drexciya with just about any scene in the movie > > Kraftwerks Numbers in the fathers office high above the city > > UR's Elimination or Final Frontier during the final scenes of flooding and > destruction. > > 69 Desire in the chase seen to the roof at the conclusion > > BTW, there are so many similarities between Metropolis and Bladerunner, > don't get me started. > > florian V.II > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
just testin' my technology
this is a test, is it not?
track id
to the person looking for that track that the duke of windsor dropped; sounds to me, something like "architecture" - tomas - warp#10 - 1991 out, dj james bond.
Re: Re: [313] Alton Miller/Stacey Pullen LPs
heiko laux ep is beautifully subtle.bond - Original Message - From: "Niall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Friday, September 08, 2000 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [313] Alton Miller/Stacey Pullen LPs > On 7 Sept 2000, "Jonny McIntosh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Is there also a new/recent Black Flag > > release that I missed, I'm only aware of "Sweat"? > > I know I've posted on this before, but I NEED to get hold of the new Stacey Pullen "The Stand" > on Black Flag...it's life or death!!! I keep hearing the Slam boys playing it out and every > time it drives me mad that it hasn't appeared yet, it just gets better every time I hear it. > Does anyone know when/if it's coming out? I heard a rumour that it was held back for the > forthcoming album, is the true, is it on it? If it's not on the album I might have to phone > Dirk Dreyer to make me a copy (JOKE!). > > Does anyone have any info on the release date/contents of UR's impending 'Millenium 2 > Millenium'? I read in the Jockey Slut (better of a bad bunch of UK publications) "interview" > with Mad Mike that realease was scheduled for summer/autumn 2000, but who knows? The inclusion > of a Reinforced mix of Amazon is all I know; all I need to know!! > > Just as a by the way, does anyone else think that Heiko Laux's Sensefiction mini-album on > Kanzleramt is as brilliant as I think it is. I was listening to it earlier on and had to stop > what I was doing - a veritable work of art and one of my top 12"s of the year so far! > > Cheers in advance for any help! > > Niall. > > ))\ )) o ___ )) )) > (( \(( (( ((_(, (( ((... > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: [313] Surgeon & Ruskin
peeps who attend techno events need to lower they guards, in a very genuine and natural manner. they need to leave they egos at the cloakroom, and allow theyselves to become part of the larger picture; we don't have to get le rox off chemically, there is indeed, light at the end of the square. if doctor and nurse are in form, everyone shall come out of surgery just fine.out, bond. - Original Message - From: "Jason Martin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2000 10:31 AM Subject: RE: [313] Surgeon & Ruskin > >>Surgeon and Ruskin are coming to Australia for the first time. What is the > >>vibe on this two out there > > does 'techno' have a vibe at all anymore? > > > j > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
doctors n nurses
only oscar wilde and derrick may can be arrogant - and still be the absolute life of the party.out, bond
chat
derrick has such a great passion for life - we can all learn from himout, bond.
Re: [313] stuff
how 'bout we give 5c to carl and 5c to derrick for their sueno latino "illusion" remix.very delicate n beautiful remix - i think 100 times better than orig. - designer music to da nines!..out, bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: [313] stuff > > sorry i wasn't paying attention... > > has the new detroit escalator black buildings been officially released (on > peacefrog?) > > my 2c worth for the designer music 2 would also include carl's mix of > inner city's 'praise', a total funkfest for sure. > > p-dogg > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] stuff
thats my 1 cent , philip..out, terrance. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 12:14 PM Subject: [313] stuff > > sorry i wasn't paying attention... > > has the new detroit escalator black buildings been officially released (on > peacefrog?) > > my 2c worth for the designer music 2 would also include carl's mix of > inner city's 'praise', a total funkfest for sure. > > p-dogg > > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Hey kids...get out your light sticks!
yeah, i'm gonna dust off tha old golden trumpet! - Original Message - From: "Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "gel x" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2000 9:58 PM Subject: Re: [313] Hey kids...get out your light sticks! > yeah, lucky us in OZ, we've got judge jules coming soon. > i can't wait ;) > > np - glenn underground - the cherubs > > gel x wrote: > > > so this is a new concept for you over there? > > weve already been bombarded by GC here in OZ, with > > more to follow. > > > > GATECRASHER IS ON TOUR IN THE US!!! > > > > > > Oakenfold and party are making a stop in your town > > > soon... > > > > > > > > > I'm laughing right now because this just sounds so > > > absurd. > > > > __ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > > http://mail.yahoo.com/ > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno
please, oh please come to sydney. you could be head official / judge at the olympics - make sure gold goes to the atheletes you admire! on a different tip, choosing cathy freeman to light tha fire was a most progressive decision by the old guard - it broke and will continue to break many more barriers. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I've been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most albums people are going to point out are absent. However, I'd love to discuss why you think that record is important. And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Black Dog, and some others are not on here, and I think I can defend my decisions. -- Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works, Volume 2 (Warp) Autechre: Chiastic Slide (Warp) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Basic Channel (BCP/EFA) Biosphere: Substrata (All Saints) Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Matador/Warp/Skam) Brian Eno: Ambient 1 - Music For Airports (EG) Brian Eno & Harold Budd: Ambient 2 - The Plateaux of Mirrors (EG) B12: Electro-Soma (Warp/AI) B12: Prelude Part 1 (B12) Claude Young: DJ Kicks (Stud!o K7) Carl Craig: Landcruising (Blanco Y Negro) Derrick May: Innovator (Transmat) Derrick May: Mix-Up, Volume 5 (Sony Japan) Detroit Escalator Co.: Soundtrack [313] (Ferox) Dettinger: Intershop (Kompakt) DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) DJ Shadow: Endtroducing (Mo'Wax) Fumiya Tanaka: I Am Not a DJ (Sony Japan) Fumiya Tanaka: Mix-Up, Volume 4 (Sony Japan) Future Sound of London: Lifeforms (Astralwerks) Gas: Pop (Mille Plateaux) Giorgio Moroder: From Here to Eternity (Repertoire) Global Communication: 76:14 (Dedicated) Harold Budd w/Brian Eno: The Pearl (EG) I-F: Mixed Up in the Hague, Volume 1 (Panama) Isolee: Rest (Playhouse) Jeff Mills: Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo (React) John Beltran: Earth & Nightfall (R&S/Distance) Kraftwerk: Autobahn (EMI) Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express (Capitol) Kruder & Dorfmeister: The K&D Sessions (Stud!o K7) Monolake: Interstate (ml/i) Moodymann: A Silent Introduction (Planet E) Negativland: U2 (SST) Paperclip People: The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich (Planet E) Pete Namlook: Air I&II (Instinct) Placid Angels: The Cry (Peacefrog) Plug: Drum 'n' Bass For Papa (Nothing/Blue Planet) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (Infonet) Sterac: The Secret Life of Machines (100% Pure) Tangerine Dream: Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream: Rubycon (Virgin) Terrence Parker: Tragedies of a Plastic Soul Junkie (Stud!o K7) Tetsu Inoue: World Receiver (Instinct) The KLF: Chill Out (TVT/Wax Trax) The Martian: LBK-6251876 (Red Planet) Theo Parrish: Sound Signature Sounds (Sound Signature) The Orb's Adventures Through the Ultraworld (Island) The Philosophy of Sound and Machine (A.R.T./Rephlex) Underground Resistance: Revolution For Change (Network) -- This list is _far_ from finished. I haven't gotten these CD's yet, that will in all probability make it on and replace less potent discs: Dettinger: Oasis Thomas Brinkmann: Rosa Moodymann: Forevernevermore Jedi Knights retrospective So, of course, as good albums appear, I will update this, although new releases would have to be something else to break through with CD's of the above caliber. Also, I am not sure whether Drexciya's "The Quest" should be includedif anyone has a good argument either way, let's talk. It's been a while since I remember an intricate, articulate 313 debate. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno
you've omitted parliament. without them, techno would probably have developed somewhere other than detroit. and with a lot less soul - and alot more glowstix! - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I've been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most albums people are going to point out are absent. However, I'd love to discuss why you think that record is important. And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Black Dog, and some others are not on here, and I think I can defend my decisions. -- Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works, Volume 2 (Warp) Autechre: Chiastic Slide (Warp) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Basic Channel (BCP/EFA) Biosphere: Substrata (All Saints) Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Matador/Warp/Skam) Brian Eno: Ambient 1 - Music For Airports (EG) Brian Eno & Harold Budd: Ambient 2 - The Plateaux of Mirrors (EG) B12: Electro-Soma (Warp/AI) B12: Prelude Part 1 (B12) Claude Young: DJ Kicks (Stud!o K7) Carl Craig: Landcruising (Blanco Y Negro) Derrick May: Innovator (Transmat) Derrick May: Mix-Up, Volume 5 (Sony Japan) Detroit Escalator Co.: Soundtrack [313] (Ferox) Dettinger: Intershop (Kompakt) DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) DJ Shadow: Endtroducing (Mo'Wax) Fumiya Tanaka: I Am Not a DJ (Sony Japan) Fumiya Tanaka: Mix-Up, Volume 4 (Sony Japan) Future Sound of London: Lifeforms (Astralwerks) Gas: Pop (Mille Plateaux) Giorgio Moroder: From Here to Eternity (Repertoire) Global Communication: 76:14 (Dedicated) Harold Budd w/Brian Eno: The Pearl (EG) I-F: Mixed Up in the Hague, Volume 1 (Panama) Isolee: Rest (Playhouse) Jeff Mills: Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo (React) John Beltran: Earth & Nightfall (R&S/Distance) Kraftwerk: Autobahn (EMI) Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express (Capitol) Kruder & Dorfmeister: The K&D Sessions (Stud!o K7) Monolake: Interstate (ml/i) Moodymann: A Silent Introduction (Planet E) Negativland: U2 (SST) Paperclip People: The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich (Planet E) Pete Namlook: Air I&II (Instinct) Placid Angels: The Cry (Peacefrog) Plug: Drum 'n' Bass For Papa (Nothing/Blue Planet) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (Infonet) Sterac: The Secret Life of Machines (100% Pure) Tangerine Dream: Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream: Rubycon (Virgin) Terrence Parker: Tragedies of a Plastic Soul Junkie (Stud!o K7) Tetsu Inoue: World Receiver (Instinct) The KLF: Chill Out (TVT/Wax Trax) The Martian: LBK-6251876 (Red Planet) Theo Parrish: Sound Signature Sounds (Sound Signature) The Orb's Adventures Through the Ultraworld (Island) The Philosophy of Sound and Machine (A.R.T./Rephlex) Underground Resistance: Revolution For Change (Network) -- This list is _far_ from finished. I haven't gotten these CD's yet, that will in all probability make it on and replace less potent discs: Dettinger: Oasis Thomas Brinkmann: Rosa Moodymann: Forevernevermore Jedi Knights retrospective So, of course, as good albums appear, I will update this, although new releases would have to be something else to break through with CD's of the above caliber. Also, I am not sure whether Drexciya's "The Quest" should be includedif anyone has a good argument either way, let's talk. It's been a while since I remember an intricate, articulate 313 debate. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno
you mentioned klf,...they who think that nailing 1 million pounds currency ] to a canvas, is art.out, bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Saturday, September 16, 2000 10:44 AM Subject: [313] Let's Talk Techno Here's something to spark some much needed critical analysis on this list: if you had to name the fifty best AND most important electronic CD's of the past 25-odd years, what would they be? Here are my picks. I've been working on this for a while; believe me, I have considered most albums people are going to point out are absent. However, I'd love to discuss why you think that record is important. And yes, I do know Juan Atkins, Kevin Saunderson, Black Dog, and some others are not on here, and I think I can defend my decisions. -- Aphex Twin: Selected Ambient Works, Volume 2 (Warp) Autechre: Chiastic Slide (Warp) Balil: Parasight (Rising High) Basic Channel (BCP/EFA) Biosphere: Substrata (All Saints) Boards of Canada: Music Has the Right to Children (Matador/Warp/Skam) Brian Eno: Ambient 1 - Music For Airports (EG) Brian Eno & Harold Budd: Ambient 2 - The Plateaux of Mirrors (EG) B12: Electro-Soma (Warp/AI) B12: Prelude Part 1 (B12) Claude Young: DJ Kicks (Stud!o K7) Carl Craig: Landcruising (Blanco Y Negro) Derrick May: Innovator (Transmat) Derrick May: Mix-Up, Volume 5 (Sony Japan) Detroit Escalator Co.: Soundtrack [313] (Ferox) Dettinger: Intershop (Kompakt) DJ Rolando: The Aztec Mystic Mix (Underground Resistance) DJ Shadow: Endtroducing (Mo'Wax) Fumiya Tanaka: I Am Not a DJ (Sony Japan) Fumiya Tanaka: Mix-Up, Volume 4 (Sony Japan) Future Sound of London: Lifeforms (Astralwerks) Gas: Pop (Mille Plateaux) Giorgio Moroder: From Here to Eternity (Repertoire) Global Communication: 76:14 (Dedicated) Harold Budd w/Brian Eno: The Pearl (EG) I-F: Mixed Up in the Hague, Volume 1 (Panama) Isolee: Rest (Playhouse) Jeff Mills: Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo (React) John Beltran: Earth & Nightfall (R&S/Distance) Kraftwerk: Autobahn (EMI) Kraftwerk: Trans-Europe Express (Capitol) Kruder & Dorfmeister: The K&D Sessions (Stud!o K7) Monolake: Interstate (ml/i) Moodymann: A Silent Introduction (Planet E) Negativland: U2 (SST) Paperclip People: The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich (Planet E) Pete Namlook: Air I&II (Instinct) Placid Angels: The Cry (Peacefrog) Plug: Drum 'n' Bass For Papa (Nothing/Blue Planet) Reload: A Collection of Short Stories (Infonet) Sterac: The Secret Life of Machines (100% Pure) Tangerine Dream: Phaedra (Virgin) Tangerine Dream: Rubycon (Virgin) Terrence Parker: Tragedies of a Plastic Soul Junkie (Stud!o K7) Tetsu Inoue: World Receiver (Instinct) The KLF: Chill Out (TVT/Wax Trax) The Martian: LBK-6251876 (Red Planet) Theo Parrish: Sound Signature Sounds (Sound Signature) The Orb's Adventures Through the Ultraworld (Island) The Philosophy of Sound and Machine (A.R.T./Rephlex) Underground Resistance: Revolution For Change (Network) -- This list is _far_ from finished. I haven't gotten these CD's yet, that will in all probability make it on and replace less potent discs: Dettinger: Oasis Thomas Brinkmann: Rosa Moodymann: Forevernevermore Jedi Knights retrospective So, of course, as good albums appear, I will update this, although new releases would have to be something else to break through with CD's of the above caliber. Also, I am not sure whether Drexciya's "The Quest" should be includedif anyone has a good argument either way, let's talk. It's been a while since I remember an intricate, articulate 313 debate. Matt - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Let's Talk Techno
closer to home, geographically, and mentally, try 'evil ' 12 by robbers / manshanden..guy!out.bond. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:22 AM Subject: RE: [313] Let's Talk Techno try hidden agenda´s rmx 4 some tru uk style amen rinse out 154 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Re: (313) Let's Talk Techno (Responses, Act I)
now that we gave you the spotlight, and our precious time, we hereby give you the gold medal that you always wanted, and move on.end of story. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 3:01 PM Subject: [313] Re: (313) Let's Talk Techno (Responses, Act I) Wow! 40+ responses. That made my day. To any artists out there, I don't mean disrespect, only stating my personal ideas about my favorite records. Don't mean to offend. I'm on the clock, here are my defenses: Re: Herbie Hancock, Bob Marley, Parliament, etc. Jazz, reggae, soul. This is a specifically electronic list. Great artists, but in totally different genres. And, BTW, I think King Tubby has a lot more in common with modern electronics then Bob Marley, and not to start yet another debate, but I have gotten more from Yabby You's 2CD retrospective than every other reggae/dub record I've heard in my life put together (Congos, Burning Spear, Horace Andy, etc.) That might be my favorite record. Re: Juan Atkins I love Juan Atkins. I don't want to seem like I'm disrespecting Juan Atkins, and I'm probably the only person in the 313 world who thinks this, but I never cared for his music. He was a great influence on people to _MAKE_ electronic music: I don't think he, musically, had any influence on Derrick May, who is the man all techno producers probably concede started their careers. Derrick might not agree with me, but I hear no trace of Juan Atkins on "Strings of Life" or anything thereafter: Derrick was just so far ahead of the game. For me, Atkins' Model 500 material sounds like the cover art to "Classics" looks. He doesn't have (for me) the emotional impact of his prominent predecessors (Kraftwerk, Giorgio Moroder, even Yellow Magic Orchestra), contemporaries (Afrika Bambaata), or "followers" (May, Craig, Banks, et al.) And Juan's best record, I think, is "The Infiniti Collection", but when you judge that record against what UR, Carl, Mark and Tom, B12, the Orb, et al. I don't think it is as strong. However, if this were a top 100 list, both Infiniti CD's would be on it, which means Juan is still in the top 1% of producers, but I don't think any of his CD's belong in my top 50. Juan has been a great mentor, a great ambassador, and most other things for techno, and deserves a great deal of admiration and praise for those accomplishments, but I think his music is not on the level of the artists I mentioned. Just my thoughts, I encourage everyone who hasn't heard Juan Atkins to buy his discs and make your own assessment: if you haven't heard him, you are missing out on a very important piece in the techno puzzle, and I don't mean to question his historical importance nor the fact that he would/will be pre-requisite listening in any Techno 101 class. As my music teacher once said, "it doesn't matter if _you_ like it." So check Juan out. Black Dog: Bytes I used to love this album. I still think many of the hooks are brilliant. However, I think every track on the album has the same structure: open with a great hook, go into a (to my ears) lukewarm middle section, end with the hook briefly again. Listening to this album recently, all I can hear are those middle sections, and it's gotten to the point where I can't even listen to this anymore. Again, this is as important to be familiar with as Juan Atkins' material (Ken, Ed, Andy don't be mad at me), but I don't think it stands the test of repeated listening. I could be wrong. If you're a DJ, you need this record, because the hooks work phenomenally in sets. All other 313 fans will probably still need to own this album. Me? I'm jaded. I don't like this record anymore. Claude Young: DJ Kicks, Mills picks, and the high % of DJ records My feeling remains that techno is a DJ format, especially hard techno and tracks that aren't gifted with much more than a slightly catchy hook. A good DJ can make a set out of mostly good, not stellar tracks I'd never buy otherwise into something brilliant (in fact, almost all the DJ albums I have do this.) In fact, DJ mix albums are usually much more interesting because, let's face it, techno is repetetive, and if the groove isn't insanely good, who wants 5:00 of it? (KDJ is the only modern producer whose full tracks (his good ones, that is) don't seem long at 9:00, but in fact, not long enough (I listened to that Misled 12" like forty times the first day I got it.)) This is my problem, for example, with most of the Mills CD's. As a DJ, Jeff knows that concision (if that's not a word, it should be) is the key, and he displays this unbelievably well on "Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo" which is one of the greatest records ever in techno (would make my top 5.) Most of the other DJ mix discs do a similar thing. The reason I don't include the other Mills discs is because: 1) I think "Live at the Liquid Room, Tokyo" sums up his material (and the rest of the hard techno scene) far better and 2) I think
Re: [313] Funk help
yeah, headhunters is da bomb ; god made me funnkkk! - Original Message - From: "Ryan Heard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "313 List" <313@hyperreal.org> Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 6:30 PM Subject: RE: [313] Funk help > DO NOT hesitate to buy Headhunters... it's ESSENTIAL!!!(heard that word > enough? heheh). Seriously... I think I shall put that on now... > > Ryan Heard > > -Original Message- > From: rob webb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2000 1:14 AM > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: [313] Funk help > > > Matt wrote: > > >Re: Herbie Hancock, Bob Marley, Parliament, etc. > > talking of Hancock and Clinton et al, i'm almost ashamed to admit that i > know more or less nothing about most all of the 70's funk artists i often > see mentioned as a major influence on techno, and more specifically on > Detroit techno. > > can someone please (Tom C? Ian?) give me some recommendations of where to > start? praps half a dozen lp's i *need* to find? > > i was thinking about taking a random punt on a coupla cds last Saturday, and > nearly picked up "Headhunters" anyway, but i figured it'd be a good idea to > take advantage of the collective knowledge of the list before i part with > some hard earned. > > thanks > > > > rob > > _ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at > http://profiles.msn.com. > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
