Re: (313) a great month in Minneapolis - D.May/Ghostly/D.Bell
...and we just had Richard Devine and Jeff Milligan (Algorithm) here on Friday, and Jeff Samuel a couple weeks back. wow, didn't know about Roy Davis Jr. Looks like I might be breaking my own personal 'I'm never ever setting foot in Martini Blu' rule. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 4, 2004 9:51 am Subject: (313) a great month in Minneapolis - D.May/Ghostly/D.Bell Derrick May Oct 16th @ Basik/First Avenue presented by Nepenthe Productions http://nepentheproductions.com/ 10pm - 3am $6 before 10:30 $10 after 10:30 3 Hour set by Derrick May Ghostly Showcase Oct 23rd @ the Kitty Cat Klub 313 14th Ave SE, Minneapolis, 612.331.9800 Solvent (Ghostly, Morr Music, Suction) Lusine (Ghostly, Hymen, Isophlux) Cepia (Ghostly, Merck, Anticon) 10pm (21+) (and as it's been mentioned before) Daniel Bell Oct 29th @ the Dinkytowner presented by Convergence $5 cover 21+ Oooh one more Roy Davis Jr. Thursday, November 4th @ Marini Blu 615 Second Ave South, Mpls 612.752.9595 NO COVER (and no dress code thankfully)
(313) Re: Dan Bell
Dan Bell's also making an appearance here (minneapolis) on Oct 29, at the Dinkytowner sorry about the spam but i'm excited, i missed him at Movement this year. - jobot - Original Message - From: KiDD*e* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 30, 2004 3:55 am Subject: Re: (313) Frequency Berlin DJ sets (claude young) Hmmm sorry for theses duplicates email. I guess my SMTP server went on a 'moody' strike yesterday. And decided to make up for lost time this morning... By the way, i remember someone asking, Daniel Bell is here again with Dimbiman @ the Nouveau Casino, this saturday (October 2nd). - KiDDy. - Original Message - From: KiDD*e* [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ThReE-oNe-ThReE 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2004 12:36 PM Subject: (313) Frequency Berlin DJ sets (claude young) Dont know if my previous email made it to the list... i repost : Here is the link to claude's mix : http://www.frequencyberlin.com/common/sets/claude.young.detroit- mastermix-04-1.mp3 - KiDDy
Re: (313) BlackHeartDisco Playlist
speaking of 'commercial techno', I caught a different version of the controversial Hummer advert yesterday. the visuals were identical, but some bad alt-rock-type cut had replaced LFO's 'Freak'. perhaps GM's ad team reasoned that most members of the 'target audience' that cut appeals to don't have 50 grand to burn on a vehicle -- and if they did, it's not likely to be spent on a hulking, ozone-destroying monstrosity of an SUV. - bot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 27, 2004 3:56 am Subject: (313) BlackHeartDisco Playlist Hey List I'm still not getting any email, but it seems to go through when I send it? I've got a horrible feeling 'big brother' is watching me, so I think I should unsubscribe while I find an email address. But anyway, had a lovely time playing at this party on Friday night, thanks to all who came! Ended up getting on some sort of chicago homage tip (not by design, just kinda went that way), so forgive the fairly obvious playlist. Everyone seemed to enjoy it though, and lots of peeps were asking what records were Oh, and message for Matt Macqueen, Metro Area had a track on the TV again last night! 8.05pm, BBC2 incase you need to let them know! BLACKHEARTDISCO playlist A.Bond 24/09/04 Aaron Carl Homoerotic Brenda The Tabulations Lets Go All The Way Down Carl Craig Demented Drums2 Chez Damier Warfare Chicken Lips He Not In Dance Reaction Train Sound Dj Kent In The Bush Theo Parrish Mix Electrik Funk On a Journey Electronic Drums (RS Edit) Erotic Drum Band Jerky Rhythm ESG Moody Fantastic Four I Got To Have Your Love Farley Farley Farley Farley Farley Knows House First Choice Let No Man Put Asunder (Rons Edit) Galifree HouseBeats Hercules 7 Ways Jamie Principle Waiting On My Angel Jeanette Thomas Shake Your Body Jine Take It To The House John Rocca Move Kasso One More Round Kirk Degiorgio Untitled cdr Kleer Keep Your Body Working Liasons Dangereuses Los Ninos Del Parque Made In USA Never Let You Go (Ugly Edit) Mathew Jonson Decompression Metro Area Nerves Model 500 The Martian Search Your Feelings Moodymann You Can Dance If You Want To Mothers Finest DisGoDis... Nwaq MonkeyWorld Orgue Electronic Texas Brooklyn Patti Labelle Get Ready Looking For Love PaperClip People PaperClip Man Prince Hot Thing (Extended Mix) Roy Ayers Chicago Rhythm Is Rhythm Salsa Life Rhythm Is Rhythm Relic Secondo We Got It Like That Shake Soundblaster Sparks Beat The Clock Stinkworx No Luv Taana Gardner Work That Body (Special Disco Mix) TW Funkmasters Love Money Vince Montana Jnr Close Encounters... (Magic Edit) Virgo Beats _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) OT Hummer
I don't watch too much television, and i'm not sure as I don't know half of those bands, but it definitely wasn't Mojave 3, Tom Jones or The Who. in related news, if I hear Led Zeppelin in another f***ing Cadillac commercial, i'm chucking the telly out the nearest window. - jobot - Original Message - From: Ian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, September 27, 2004 12:43 pm Subject: (313) OT Hummer On Sep 27, 2004, at 11:52 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: speaking of 'commercial techno', I caught a different version of the controversial Hummer advert yesterday. the visuals were identical, but some bad alt-rock-type cut had replaced LFO's 'Freak'. perhaps GM's ad team reasoned that most members of the 'target audience' that cut appeals to don't have 50 grand to burn on a vehicle -- and if they did, it's not likely to be spent on a hulking, ozone-destroying monstrosity of an SUV. Are you sure it was the same spot? There are a few others airing that feature Debutante by Jack Drag, Enter Space bar by Trabant, Bluebird of Happiness by Mojave 3, Help Yourself by Tom Jones, Getting Closer to an Unknown Goal by Rhythm of Snow, and Happy Jack by The Who. You have a point about LFO's appeal, of course. -- Ian
Re: (313) Helpster
'The Devil Does Drugs' off Kooler Than Jesus - bot - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 24, 2004 4:11 am Subject: (313) Helpster Anyone know which Thrill Kill Kult contains the vocal and this is what the devil does? Cheers Martin
(313) CY set on Littledetroit
Currently rocking the office, to the dismay of my coworkers. many thanks to LD. I'm curious where and when this set was recorded -- I remember several of these cuts from his Minneapolis appearance this summer. - jobot
Re: Fwd: (313) looking for acid (house)
the Dirty Criminals is Traxx, Deecoy, and Hieroglyphic Being. i haven't heard the new album yet,unfortunately. Traxx is from Chicago and has indeed been hot lately; he substituted for Dabrye at the Ghostly/Matthew Dear show in Mpls, and threw down an excellent set. his better performances have a classic quality that draws from both acid house and early industrial music, though he plays a lot of newer cuts along those lines. interesting guy to chat with as well, he's been involved in the Chicago scene for many, many years. - bot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 7:19 am Subject: Re: Fwd: (313) looking for acid (house) JT wrotei'm curious about that dirty criminals album... Me too! This band features 'dj traxx' right? I know nothing of this guy, except that Tristan (I think?) spoke reallyhighly of him and that I saw a ten second video of him dj'ing and it looked pretty mental! I could do with knowing more, any ideas? Is he a hot dj, does he play good stuff, might this LP be good? He's from Chicago? Ta! Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) looking for acid (house)[when I hear ACEEEEEEEED!!! all I can say is ACEEEEEEEED!!!]
god I hate that. i wish stores that cater towards the serious DJs/collectors could at least supply decent headphones/needles. i keep telling myself to bring my own headphones when i go shopping, but i usually forget. how are you supposed to judge how a record will sound on a full-size speaker stack with headphones that came free with a $20 Walkman? - Original Message - From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 17, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) looking for acid (house)[when I hear ACD!!! all I can say is ACD!!!] On Sep 17, 2004, at 4:31 AM, Tristan Watkins wrote: The new Abe Duque stuff is about as pure as the original stuff, as is the new Loosefingers release. I like the Abe Duque, but is the Loosefingers release all that? What label again? I seem to remember hearing and kind of thinking 'eeehh'... maybe i should give it another shot, you know how quick needle drops at gramaphone are (overpowered thru the phones by flaccid 'silky deep house' on full blast on the store speakers) :P peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) DJ Bone List
i'm also very excited about his Axis record. it should be a great fit for him, since the Spectral record has a rather Mills-ish feel to it. it has a very interesting quality to it - sounds almost surgical in precision, but like there's a thick cloth between you and the speakers. it's one of the very best Spectral releases imo. that was a wild PA, indeed. it sounded like bad beatmatching at points (Traktor?), but the individual sounds still seemed to keep their own space. maybe it was done on purpose? - jobot - Original Message - From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:21 pm Subject: Re: (313) DJ Bone List On Sep 16, 2004, at 11:16 AM, jason kenjar wrote: PS Also REALLY looking forward to the new release by hieroglyphic being on the axis sub-label. Elektrabel. I can only imagine how great it could be. cool... has anyone heard this yet? He did a sort of wild PA this year at the festival... and I've liked what i've heard.. there's one on Spectral or Ghostly, forgot which. peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) DJ MIXER: what would be your choice (personal plug)
I contributed my old half-working Numark to some friends, who have made a noise wall out of old/broken mixers. they basically connect everything improperly to generate feedback, which can be at least rudimentally controlled through EQ, fader, external effects etc. the 'crown jewel' is this old Roland unit with built-in DSP and a three-band EQ isolator. it's a great idea and endless fun to play with, but it would get me kicked out of my apartment in seconds. :) - jobot - Original Message - From: diana potts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 8:26 pm Subject: Re: (313) DJ MIXER: what would be your choice (personal plug) my choice? it's called FreeN'Workin'...best kind i know of. I have an old Newmark. Don't think anyone will be bulldozing my door to get a hold of this beauty. If anyone has an old mixer that still works, but don't need anymore...my bedroom dj habits would be willing to pay something mighty cheap for it. d --- Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've heard plenty of reports questioning the durability of the AH mixers (well, the 62 and the 464) - apparently the Pioneers are the most indestructible, but don't have anything approximating the sound quality. Perhaps the 92 has got these issues ironed out - it certainly looks more rugged, and finally combines features from all the previous models into one unit, as well as having 'DJ-style' fader knobs rather than 'engineer-style' fader knobs... If you can manage without linear faders, the Rane 2016 is super hot. I do like vestax mixers as well (I REALLY like the PMC-250 with those dual EQ's), but don't know how they hold up in terms of durability. That new PMC-CX looks pretty nifty; the master isolator function seems interesting, though I don't quite understand what it's all about. Get an AH 92 though. And let us all come over and have a play on it :) Ronny Pries [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15/10/2004 7:57:43 am xone 62 or 92. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi mates! which DJ mixer would u recommend for a club? it should have 3-4 inputs and most of all: great survival potential=) ../z99 __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: (313) Dullards digital music Q
that's the standard CD-quality sampling rate. I believe you can record at 48khz with Sound Forge -- which is slightly better technially speaking, but you'd need to convert to 44.1khz to record to CD anyway. 44.1khz should sound fine on a big system, but this is just the inherent properties of the file - how many times the waveform is being sliced up per second. If your original material sounds like it was played through an AM radio that's 20 feet away from the microphone, it will sound like that no matter what sampling rate you use. Intelligent use of EQ, compression and effects will make a much more pronounced difference in its sound when played back at full tilt. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 7:17 am Subject: (313) Dullards digital music Q Hi. Could someone help the kid at the back of the class with the Dunce's hat on? Digital music: My soundforge is set to record at 44,100 Hz 16 Bit Stereo (for a wav file) Is this OK? Will it sound bad on a loud system? Thanks in advance, and sorry for the boring topic. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) since we're as busy as we want to be..
this and the Delsin clips sound like winners. not very familiar with black label -- well, not the record label anyway. i'm intimately familiar with the inexpensive brew of the same name. is this the same label the Comtron EPs were released on? anyone know where can I get hold of a copy here in the US? - bot - Original Message - From: Marsel // Nomorewords.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, September 10, 2004 3:14 am Subject: (313) since we're as busy as we want to be.. for the 313 ears only, some more preview clips blacklabel presents a 'lost' ultradyne release previous only available as promo copy (craft rec. 26 from '97) of the now defunkt sabotage/craft label originally called 'cities in ruin beings laid to waste', now re- released as 'cities in retro' (though.. one track still missing... ) black label xxx/1 http://nomorewords.net/blacklabel/blxxx1-a1.mp3 http://nomorewords.net/blacklabel/blxxx1-a2.mp3 http://nomorewords.net/blacklabel/blxxx1-b1.mp3 http://nomorewords.net/blacklabel/blxxx1-b2.mp3
Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal
well said, J.T. I knew somebody else on the list would voice my opinion before I got a chance. The granularity in today's music production software such as Ableton and Cubase, coupled with both software and outboard hardware effects and processing, can easily alter a short sample of a song far beyond the point of recognition to the producer of the original work. In my opinion it's really no different than using a synthesizer as a sound creation source -- instead of starting with a sound from a produced work, you're using an oscillator or a preset designed by a Korg or Waldorf engineer as a starting point. Producers -- whether using samples as a foundation or not -- are limited only by their imagination and production skills. I suspect most good producers use a combination of these approaches - and I would bet that all of us have music in our collections that is sample-based but disguised so well we're not even aware of it, even if we are familiar with the original work. - jobot - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 9, 2004 2:45 am Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal this is like a right-wing fundamentalist approach to music, wicked...unique mix of hatred, bitterness, ignorance and misplaced optimismexquisitely stupid even. lovely! build your own instruments, invent your own musical notation, and come up with a unqiuely tuned scale while you're at it! stop taking the easy route and using others' creativity! then we will be great and successful artists hurrah hurrah!! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 9, 2004 3:02 AM To: Kent Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED], do id [EMAIL PROTECTED], list 313 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) All Uncleared Sampling Ruled Illegal Learn hoq to make your own music or pay the guy that went thru all the trouble to get it out there. Sampling is stealing. It's not paying tribute, or showing respect. Maybe if you were sampling and giving away your music, but you are not. You are struggling just like the guy you sampled from, but you are taking the easy route. The only reason you hate this ruling so much is that now you realize your own creative level is almost non existent, and youre screwed. I guess the market will just have to go back to being less saturated, and the few actually striving to make something new will be able to actually pay their rent, on time. Steve
Re: (313) Decibel - First Annual Northwest Electronic Music Festival
not sure who he is, but I've got the Barf 12 inch and it's nice -- chunky, slower glitch-house stuff in the Akufen/Soft Pink Truth vein. +2 nerd points for having ALF on the cover. http://www.discogs.com/release/190383 - jobot - Original Message - From: James Hurlbut [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2004 3:27 am Subject: (313) Decibel - First Annual Northwest Electronic Music Festival FANEMF! The lineup looks great!! I'm thinking about heading up to Seattle for it. Anyone know who Pj Pooterhoots is? Lineup off particular 313 interest: DJ MINX (Detroit ) Girl Funk, M-nus Records ELECTROFUNK (Live Ghetto Tech Band ) Detroit MIKE HUCKABY (Detroit ) Definitive, Ferrox, Moonshine Records PJ POOTERHOOTS (Detroit ) Definitive, Proptronix Records SCAN 7 (Detroit ) UR, Tresor, Submerge Records TWONZ (Detroit ) oBS/EAR, Hi Jacked Records and other techno: JEFF SAMUEL (Seattle ) Trapez, Ghostly/Spectral, Pokerflat Records JOHN TEJADA (L.A. ) Plug Research, Playhouse, Palette Records LUSINE (Seattle ) Hymen, Ghostly International MARCUS NIKOLAI (Frankfurt, Germany ) Perlon, Classic Records MURAT (U.S.A.) SUTEKH (S.F. ) Force Inc, Context Records SAFETY SCISSORS (S.F. ) Force Inc, Proptronix Records and lots of others http://www.decibelfestival.com __ HBot http://www.hurlbotics.com/mp3/ __
(313) Common Factor in Minneapolis
...with pre-apologies to those not from the Midwest. Common Factor E-Tones in the First Ave mainroom this Saturday, August 27th. $3 before 11pm \ $6 after. if you want more info reply in private. - j
Re: RE: (313) Q re Black Dog
that record wasn't bad, but I like Alex Cortex more when he keeps it 4/4 but gets all buzzy and abstract like on the 'Phlogiston' EP. the interplay between synth tones gets almost vocal at times. i'm not too familiar with his backcatalogue -- anything else along those lines? or other records/artists i should check out? - jobot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 20, 2004 10:18 am Subject: RE: (313) Q re Black Dog That Alex Cortex stuff, especially 'Inwards/Ctrl' is very 'Black-Dog-A-Like'. I thought it was good nontheless. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 3:49 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Q re Black Dog I would say that loads of stuff has been heavily influenced by Black Dog/Plaid, rather than has ripped them off - John Tejada's Daydreams In Cold Weather is quite heav on the BD/Plaid influences, but it's great so nowt wrong with that. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 1:44 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Q re Black Dog was just reading this http://www.littledetroit.net/Features/BlackdogInterview.php (thanks btw Martin) one Q though, in this Q you ask Loads of people have ripped off Black Dog just wondered who you were referring to? its like every time we turn on the telly.etc really? I'm not sure what it's referring to, I couldn't really think of anyone who ripped Black Dog? unless they used to do TV stuff or something under another name. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) Not A UR mix...
I predict the Ebay selling prices for old Mark Verbos records will take a sharp upswing. Amazing mix -- listened to it 5 or 6 times already. - jobot - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:10 am Subject: (313) Not A UR mix... Here's the track listing from Dom... Mark Verbos. Tracklisting: Verbos - apocalypse ambience/one man's vision (Simple Answer 011) Jeff Mills - the hypnotist (Tresor) Verbos - acrobatics (simple answer 011) Oliver Ho - chasm EP (Drumcode 08) Verbos - backwards and Forthcoming/world of ilusion(Simple Answer 003) Verbos - disbelief B2 (simple answer 009) Petar Dundov - butterfly/Libra Ep(Musicman) Verbos - the invisible man/invisible man (simple answer 010) Jeff Mills - lock groove from Cycle 30 (axis) Azazel - unreleased Verbos - rings in dust/invisible man (simple answer 010) Gaiden - point blank (Musicman) Verbos - mechanical process/mechanical process (simple answer 004) Verbos - identity assumption/license to kill (simple answer 007) Mark Verbos - the system (drop bass network) Verbos - disbelief A side (simple answer 009) Leo Laker - TM2/Tontunmäki EP (Tresor) Mark verbos - unreleased Stigmata - 9/10 (Stigmata) Verbos - out of the shadows/invisible man (simple answer 010) Jeff Mills - The Hacker/Waveform Transmissions 1 (Tresor) Verbos - to see not be seen/invisible man(simple answer 010) Mark Verbos - unreleased Verbos - revision/one man's vision(simple answer 011)
Re: (313) Not A UR mix...
mix in a lot of hipster techno and sextronica for credibility's sake. - jobot - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:53 am Subject: Re: (313) Not A UR mix... I was thinking for my next mix I may just label it Mad Mike and Jeff Mills UR in Berlin 2001 - opppsss did I say that out loud :) On 19 Aug 2004, at 17:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I predict the Ebay selling prices for old Mark Verbos records will take a sharp upswing. Amazing mix -- listened to it 5 or 6 times already. - jobot - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 19, 2004 3:10 am Subject: (313) Not A UR mix... Here's the track listing from Dom... Mark Verbos. Tracklisting: Verbos - apocalypse ambience/one man's vision (Simple Answer 011) Jeff Mills - the hypnotist (Tresor) Verbos - acrobatics (simple answer 011) Oliver Ho - chasm EP (Drumcode 08) Verbos - backwards and Forthcoming/world of ilusion(Simple Answer 003) Verbos - disbelief B2 (simple answer 009) Petar Dundov - butterfly/Libra Ep(Musicman) Verbos - the invisible man/invisible man (simple answer 010) Jeff Mills - lock groove from Cycle 30 (axis) Azazel - unreleased Verbos - rings in dust/invisible man (simple answer 010) Gaiden - point blank (Musicman) Verbos - mechanical process/mechanical process (simple answer 004) Verbos - identity assumption/license to kill (simple answer 007) Mark Verbos - the system (drop bass network) Verbos - disbelief A side (simple answer 009) Leo Laker - TM2/Tontunmäki EP (Tresor) Mark verbos - unreleased Stigmata - 9/10 (Stigmata) Verbos - out of the shadows/invisible man (simple answer 010) Jeff Mills - The Hacker/Waveform Transmissions 1 (Tresor) Verbos - to see not be seen/invisible man(simple answer 010) Mark Verbos - unreleased Verbos - revision/one man's vision(simple answer 011)
Re: (313) Vangelis influences in techno (was Blade Runner)
according to the Discogs entries for the original release (more properly releaseS, at it appears to have been released on several different labels in different countries), it and the original A-side Pulstar are both Vangelis covers. I haven't seen the movie in years so I can't confirm this. http://www.discogs.com/artist/Hipnosis - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 8:39 pm Subject: Re: (313) Vangelis influences in techno (was Blade Runner) i have a release 'club classics 6' (http://www.discogs.com/release/47657)that has two fantastic proto electro tracks on it, one is: Hypnosis - End Title Blade Runner (the other is a john carpenter track'the end') i've been confused by this: does it have any relation to blade runner or vangelis? or did they just name i t in homage. it's the second trackof my electro/disco/freestyle mix if people want to hear the track. james www.jbucknell.com Fax +61 2 9690 6389 Michael.Elliot-Kn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To 16/08/04 06:07 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc 313@hyperreal.org, Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED], Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject (313) Vangelis influences in techno (was Blade Runner) speaking of which - I know loads of people have been influenced by Vangelis' soundtrack one track I have that comes as close as I've heard to recreating that feel in a modern sound is Peter Benisch's track Redshift from the Sabine'sSong EP on Eevo lute. Any others out there that would fit right along on the soundtrack? MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] om To: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED], 313@hyperreal.org 08/16/04 11:54 AMSubject: Re: RE: (313) Techno Films Please respond to jbartuski there exists a nice early-80s analog cover of the closing theme... http://www.discogs.com/release/145810 - bot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:35 am Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which
Re: (313) TECHNO FILMS
spoiler warning: don't read this if you haven't seen the movie. http://dir.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/2001/10/23/mulholland_drive_analysis/index.html?pn=1 - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 11:11 pm Subject: Re: (313) TECHNO FILMS The Matrix OST was deplorable. Shocking. Angelo Badalamenti's soundtrack to Mulholland Dve sounded very Mayday to me. I guess that could pass as a techno film. I would freaking love to know what that film is about. I love David Lynch but he lost me with this one! I love subversive - but with some kind of logic (and/or narrative) please! ;) Funny thing about this topic... When I think of techno films, I think of films that I would love to hear rescored by a techno artist. They would be: The Crow The Killer Hardware The Professional (Leon outside of the states) Akira Riding Bean The Matrix A Better Tomorrow Hard Boiled (yes, I love the old John Woo/Chow Yun Fat flicks) Black Moon Rising The Terminator And a few other anime titles that I can't seem to remember the names of.
Re: (313) Universal Techno
is it just me, or does anybody else think 'Tied Up' is the worst track LFO has ever done? it seems to be getting all this attention lately, it's on the upcoming Warp DVD compilation I believe... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:16 pm Subject: (313) Universal Techno Anyone heard or seen this documentary? Came out around 97-98 Below is a partial review of it (includes comments of another documentaryas well) __ Universal Techno, directed by Dominique Deluze last year, covering the scenes in Europe, USA and Japan. The film started with Richard D James wandering in some eerie catacombs, explaining how it feels like home, and eventually almost looked like Who's Who in Techno, featuring Derrick May, Kevin Saunderson, Juan Atkins, Kenny Larkin, Jeff Mills, even Mike Banks(who only agreed to be interviewed with his face covered); from Europe (vastly overrated but for this feature essential, I guess) Sven Väth, Autechre (touring in Barcelona), Mark Bell of (and these days also all of) LFO, Steve Beckett of Warp Records; and from Japan, Ken Ishii. All in all, and what usually troubles all features of this kind, the documentary felt at times too patchy, giving artists only a chance to provide some memorable soundbites at their best (the scene with Derrick May and his visual designer giving a weird rap on the tenth planet of solarsystem was great!); with some interesting glimpes to the streets of Detroit (which looked at times like some post-apocalyptic war zone, really), Sheffield and Tokyo, and of course to some sublime-looking raves, parties(Jeff Mills in all-DJ action, mmm...), gigs and videos (Ken Ishii's'Extra', LFO's 'Tied Up' and Autechre's 'Second Bad Vilbel'). And as usually, the omissions were almost as remarkable as what was featured there: where were for example Robert Hood, Carl Craig or RichieHawtin; all jungle and trip hop (or hardcore) artists; or minimalists like Maurizio and Sähkö/Panasonic posse (I must be biased here...) -- but obviously it's totally impossible to cover all scene in merely an hour.
Re: (313) Berlin
check out Rotation Records, it's in former East Berlin near the giant TV tower. www.rotation-records.de - bot - Original Message - From: Christopher Davey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, August 15, 2004 8:39 am Subject: (313) Berlin I'm going to be in Berlin from August 20 to 30. So it's the usual requestfor any nights I should make it to, and good record stores I should visit (Hardwax obviously, but I don't know any others). Replies will be much appreciated. Cheers Chris
Re: RE: (313) Techno Films
there exists a nice early-80s analog cover of the closing theme... http://www.discogs.com/release/145810 - bot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 16, 2004 5:35 am Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Actually, I wonder what dialogue or sound effect from Blade runner have been sampled? Although it's my favourite 'techno' film (poss my favourite film ever too in fact) I don't seem to recall any bits of it on records. Just a thought ... -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 12:30 PM To: Anya K Stang; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner is so techno - such a rich source of samples - is there any dialogue or sound effect that hasn't been used on a techno record? -Original Message- From: Anya K Stang [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 10:23 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno Films Blade Runner will always be my ultimate Techno film. Metropolis comes a pretty close second, then Solaris and 2001. I also relate to Sean on the Seven, KillBill and Snatch tip. Nothing out of the ordinary here. h. *shrugs* : ) Anya -- NEU: WLAN-Router für 0,- EUR* - auch für DSL-Wechsler! GMX DSL = supergünstig kabellos http://www.gmx.net/de/go/dsl ### ## Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. ### ##
Re: (313) Signs of Apocolypse, cont.
http://slate.msn.com/id/2104755/?GT1=4529 You, too, can be a 'Freak' cruising your illegal gas-guzzling tax writeoff down our side streets! Whoever licensed this cut to GM should be locked in a small room and forced to listen to the *other* LFO for the remainder of eternity. - jobot - Original Message - From: J.T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:10 pm Subject: Re: (313) Signs of Apocolypse, cont. huh? if he's down with hummer he's gotta be a patriot...no emissions standards, and 6 miles per gallon, woohoo and isn't the humvee the official ride of liberators? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Aug 11, 2004 1:58 PM To: Ian Malbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313 List 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Signs of Apocolypse, cont. Does that make Mark Bell a terrorist? On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Ian Malbon wrote: GM's Hummer division has licensed LFO's Freak for it's new extreme utility truck advertising campaign. Reactions: 1) They picked the wrong LFO. 2) I'm so glad I have a hybrid. 3) 99.99% of the kids who loved this track last year have parents who will not buy them a Hummer. 4) The original video is way better than the ad. -- Ian
Re: (313) Help, please
no, not really. there's a bit added to the drum pattern, the bass is boosted a bit and it's got a nice rough-hewn quality to it. fun to mix with the Anthony Rother cover of same. - bot - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, August 5, 2004 8:21 pm Subject: Re: (313) Help, please -- Original Message -- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mine: Cajemere -Housewerk ive only heard clips of this online. does it ever do anything more than just sample the Numbers beat with someone saying house or whatever over it? tom andythepooh.com
Re: RE: (313) Friday - Home Town Band
more Minneapolis: Woody McBride Chris Sattinger (Timeblind) The Suburbs Soul Asylum Milwaukee, where I'm originally from: Violent Femmes Doormouse Mark Verbos good call on Pale Saints -- I hauled 'The Comforts of Madness' out of its hiding spot a couple weeks back. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 11:22 am Subject: RE: (313) Friday - Home Town Band Ok Minneapolis Prince (and the Revolution) Morris Day/The Time Jimmy Jam Terry Lewis Lipps Inc. Information Society I don't think they've had much impact on techno but maybe other forms of experimental electronics Husker Du Replacements others From Leeds - Gang of Four Pale Saints Hood Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: eric trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4.co.uk cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Friday - Home Town Band 08/06/2004 10:12 AM Oh yeah - how could I forget them? Although, strictly speaking they were from Harrogate -Original Message- From: eric trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 2:21 PM Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Friday - Home Town Band the wedding present also, right? On Fri, 6 Aug 2004, Robert Taylor wrote: The only bands I can recall from my home city (Leeds) are Soft Cell, The Mekons, The Sisters Of Mercy and The Mission :( -Original Message- From: John Coleman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 06, 2004 12:29 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Friday - Home Town Band Hrm... here in Cleveland I'd have to say Devo, they're the closest thing to techno that's come from here and been influential (yeah, they're actually from Akron, but it's close enough, mmm-kay?) There were certainly other influential artists, such as Pere Ubu The Dead Boys, but I don't think they had much impact on the techno scene. :) Every City/Town has one, but which one do you think has had the most influence on the scene we now love? From Sheffield, it has to be Cabaret Voltaire, their BBQ's and Party's influenced everyone here and for many it was the first time anyone had heard Kraftwerk on a big rig - god bless Mal and Richard. Cheers Martin # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated..This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have receivedthis email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. # # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarilyrepresent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated.This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) Egyptian Lover live
wonder what airfare to Rotterdam is these days... :) - Original Message - From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 1:46 pm Subject: (313) Egyptian Lover live For all you electroheads ot there: Another Clone party!! 07-10-04 at the Waterfront in Rotterdam with special guest Egyptian lover playing live(!!) Dj's I-f and Serge. More live shows tbc.(presale not started yet!) Yay!
Re: Re[2]: (313) Egyptian Lover live
yeah, and more record stores per capita than just about anywhere else. plus the bootleg dj cafe. hoping to spend more than 24 hours there at some point -- Clone alone ate up about three of those hours. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 2:16 pm Subject: Re[2]: (313) Egyptian Lover live + rotterdam is the next most fascinating european city after riga i've been to=) true ghetto area, red-colored nights and excessive industry http://pkazil.free.fr/botlek.html ../z99 it was 06.08.2004 when u've been going like this:: ~ wonder what airfare to Rotterdam is these days... :) - Original Message - From: kj at technotourist dot org [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 1:46 pm Subject: (313) Egyptian Lover live For all you electroheads ot there: Another Clone party!! 07-10-04 at the Waterfront in Rotterdam with special guest Egyptian lover playing live(!!) Dj's I-f and Serge. More live shows tbc.(presale not started yet!) Yay! ~
Re: (313) Tomorrow - Detroit - 5 years of Ghostly
he's also James Cotton, whose recent Dancing Box album and Press Your Body ep have semipermanently glued themselves to my turntable platters. - jobot - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 4:06 pm Subject: Re: (313) Tomorrow - Detroit - 5 years of Ghostly At 05:01 PM 8/6/2004, Greg Earle wrote: My feeling is that he'd do well to collaborate with someone (hasn't he done so with Scott Herren, Mr. Prefuse 73?) that knows melodies and song structure that can lay stuff over the top of his reasonably good underlying stuff. Dabrye is also SK-1, and has worked with Soundmurderer under that name.-- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[2]: (313) Egyptian Lover live
the hostel we stayed in was only slightly better -- there was an unclean fishy-type odor emanating from the bathroom plumbing. at least we had beds. - j - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 6, 2004 4:39 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: (313) Egyptian Lover live At 05:38 PM 8/6/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yeah, and more record stores per capita than just about anywhere else. plus the bootleg dj cafe. hoping to spend more than 24 hours there at some point -- Clone alone ate up about three of those hours. make sure you have a place to stay and aren't forced to wander the streets all night like me! -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Beatbox
MEK, you *must* catch him live at some point. He opened for Squarepusher in the Ascot a few months back and absolutely blew me away. He did an 8-minute Kraftwerk mash-up at 140bpm that sounded better than some Ableton sets. I have never heard a human able to accurately reproduce a beat, bassline, and two interweaving synth lines using nothing but parts of his body. It must take a complex understanding of microphone techniques to pull off some of the things he does. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 4, 2004 8:51 pm Subject: Re: (313) Beatbox Well, that was the first time I've ever seen or heard of him (granted I'm not smack dab on top of hip-hop culture) but what I saw on the video was enough to convince me that the man is unbelievably talented. I shared it with another co-worker and he just handed me a Rahzel CD - Rahzel's Greatest Knockouts! Kenny Muhannad is on track 6, The 4 Elements, as it turns out. can't wait to hear this MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] sDigest.com To: cc: ThReE- oNe-ThReE Detroit 313@hyperreal.org 08/04/04 07:56 PMSubject: Re: (313) Beatbox kenny muhammad performed at ps1 in new york a few years ago - completelyblew me away. with one mouth and one microphone he produced near perfect new york house classics (among other tracks). turn your back and you couldn't tell if it was a record or not. beatboxing just doesn't describewhat he does. the video doesn't do him justice, the sound is crap as it's just recorded through the handycam and is bouncing of the walls etc. james www.jbucknell.com Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] com To ThReE-oNe-ThReE Detroit 04/08/04 09:20 AM 313@hyperreal.org cc Subject (313) Beatbox Not sure if this has been posted but check it out :- http://www.columbia.edu/cu/elementary/front.htm Some top Yello and Kraftwerk beats - the DnB bit is unreal.. Cheers Martin ForwardSourceID:NT00010B6E
Re: RE: (313) ticklin' my ear and not
I'm going against the group on this one. 'Decompression' sounds really good in headphones at three in the morning. Not counting Yel2 I have yet to hear it on a big system, but i'm hoping to remedy that soon. - jobot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, August 2, 2004 5:31 am Subject: RE: (313) ticklin' my ear and not Thanks for these Minto. Second your thoughts on the Atkins thing on Subject. I was surprised to see 1-94 track released again - but seeing as I don'thave the other (previously released?) tracks on vinyl, I was happy to buy. As for Mathew Johnson's 'Decompression' on Minus, agreed: it's a littledisappointing although not entirely uninteresting. Record shop listening 'booths' aren't the best place to check this sort of thing though, so am looking forward to hearing someone play it out loud ... I preferred the other MJ release out right now 'Behind The Mirror' more, and that's the one I got. -Original Message- From: Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:58 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) ticklin' my ear and not The new Danny Wang on Ghostly is sweet! more dancefloor mini moog/ARP action from Danny. Guess Berlin has been good to him. Kid Sublime feat. YINKA on Jahwell (RH) smooth beats from RH crew. ...he was or is still part of Rednose Distrikt with Aardvarck now joining in on some production. Somatik - Really R - Twisted Funk really loving this guy's music right now. It's got the west London sound with the programming and sound design of your favorite techno records. Brad is 4hero's engineer so you can bet this 12 is close to sounding near flawless. also gotta chime in for Juan's new one (or OLD) on Bone's label. I-94 came out on Tresor i thought and the other one I forget where it was from...anyone remember? Rebound is a nice pumpin' track by Juan...his music just can't get tiring to me. Maybe it's the odd shuffle from the MC-50 or the timeless sounds of the JD-800, but Juan is still tha man! heard the new Matt Jonson 12 on minus and I passed on it after giving it 3 listens all the way through. the big track is ok and the bass is sorta annoying; just not my cup of tea and the bassline on the b-side track is kinda week imo... 2 notes repeated for 3 bars and then a dinky variation of the two notes...but the pads and strings underneath were nice till it was ruined by that bassline. He's definitely capable of better but I dunno about record of the year on this one. to each their own I guess. also a big letdown was the new Rush Hour 12s by Jamyz Nylon. RH has usually put out quality singles but this is getting a little too close to pop territory and I dunno about being compared to the classic early Prescription Records. thumbs down at least on the purple one where heaven meets earth hasta - minto = down low music http://downlowmusic.org UPCOMING '04 dLCMLP1 The Connection Machine PAINLESS FALL __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail
Re: (313) What On Your Decks
been rather busy with boring apartment/job stuff lately, but I did stumble upon a cache of ghetto tech (Dancemania, older Twilight 76 etc) formerly belonging to DJ Boogie. apparently, he's selling off his collection and switching over to gospel house. - Original Message - From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 30, 2004 8:45 am Subject: (313) What On Your Decks Coil - Black Antlers New Ed Dmx New Werk 12
Re: (313) What On Your Decks
Clan of Xymox - Medusa excellent! just listened to the Stranger / A Day 12 the other night -- I should drag Medusa out of its hiding spot. right now i'm listening to the dan bell / cabanne / jeff samuel set from Green Light Go and pretending to work... i don't think i'm fooling anyone. jobot - Original Message - From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:55 am Subject: Re: (313) What On Your Decks Today's selections ... mostly chillin' Zero 7 - When it Falls Clan of Xymox - Medusa Pete Namlook Geir Jenssen - The Fires of Ork Martin Dust wrote: Coil - Black Antlers New Ed Dmx New Werk 12
Re: (313) ACT
some of my favorites as well. I agree that Pet Shop Boys hasn't held up as well as the others, but there's a really great melancholy disco stormer called Don Juan on the b-side of the Domino Dancing 12 that's worked its way into some of my sets lately. I've also been selecting tracks for an upcoming industrial mix i'm doing with a friend; i'll be sure to send a link if we ever actually record it. - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:04 pm Subject: Re: (313) ACT - Original Message - From: theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313 Detroit 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 9:33 AM Subject: Re: (313) ACT The 12 mix of Savage Progress' Heart Begins to Beat is another worthy dig (and one I heard turn up in one of Theo Parrish's cdr mixes). Tieing together two of today's threads, I'll be dropping this as my second song (following some serious pirate themage) tomorrow night on the boat. I first heard it in a Ron Hardy DHP mix and frantically requested a track ID. Makes me think of slightly punkier Love and Rockets meets mid-80s dancemusic. Wicked. On this note, I've been really in to the '80s dance music I grew up with lately, a la New Order (well, they've been my favorite band for an eternity,but I've had a resurgent interest). Stuff with live instruments, especially New Order's early stuff. I wanted to play a lot of it at this boat party but had to kill some of my children for the greater good of the set. On that note, I recently recovered my copy of Music for the Masses, but wasn't compelled to play any of it, although I'm an enormous Depeche Mode fan.Maybe I'm just really into New Order right now and thinking of it in broader terms. I've also been well into my industrial stuff but haven't revisitedPet Shop Boys, so maybe I'm just looking for something edgy. Given that I'm in a techno mood this Summer, that would confirm, and is totally contrary to most of my Summer (Chicago housey) moods. Weird Summer (weather and music)... Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: RE: (313) Mike Grant ID
DOH -- missed the giant MIKE GRANT in the subject line slaps forehead - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:53 am Subject: RE: (313) Mike Grant ID A good way to find out which track this is, is to go to the AfrosyntrixAudio shop (Afrosyntrix is the label on which Mike Grant releases electro by himself and other artists.) and have a listen to the latest stuff. Here's the url for the audio shop. You can find the rest of the labels and Mike Grant's general website from here also. http://www.big50entertainment.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGYStore_C ode=E5Category_Code=ASAS -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:00 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: (313) Mike Grant ID Not sure of the title, or what label it's on, so need an ID, but I do know it's v.recent. It's an electro track, quite atmospheric, and a little downtempo any ideas?
Re: (313) Matthew Johnson
I really enjoyed Derek and Matthew's set that night, too. Got to see the live-PA-with-vocals act from Mr. Dear on Saturday; it definitely added another dimension to his live set. i enjoyed the vocals live more than on the albums, they seemed less effected, more natural and melodic. some of the tracks (Dog Days in particular) were completely different (better, I thought) arrangements than on the record. Traxx filled in for an ill Dabrye and did not disappoint. wish he wouldn't have played so many Matthew Dear cuts, though... - bot - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:33 am Subject: Re: (313) Matthew Johnson - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: Re: (313) Matthew Johnson -- Original Message -- From: atomly [EMAIL PROTECTED] God, what an amazing set. im actually kinda salty for not seeing that. but of course, i didnt realise that he was the cobblestone jazz guy at the time. He's actually just one of the guys in Cobblestone Jazz /pedantry and i also cant see why he would be playing in the middle of all that other mediocre techno. weird. Well, to be fair there were three floors at St. Andrews, each quite themed. The top floor was Monolake, Deadbeat and Biosphere, the main room was Speedy J and Chris Liebing all night and Mathew Jonson was on downstairs with Derek Plaslaiko and Matthew Dear following him. It was easily one of the best live sets I've ever seen. I think there might be a few sets of his floating around on SLSK if you're interested. I can't wait to see where he takesthings next. That Minus record is clearly the single of the year so far - by a long way. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Matthew Johnson
...and honestly, is what little hype there is really all bad? it's not like the man's doing Sum 41 remixes. some of the folks I saw at Matthew Dear in mpls this weekend don't normally go to 'techno' shows. the fact that he can get press from outlets that don't traditionally deal with much electronic music, like The Onion and pitchforkmedia.com, does not make the music any worse. plus, these new attendees are folks that might start buying Ghostly and Spectral releases, or show up the next time Traxx plays, or start attending Cepia's friday weekly event. this is not a closed-off scene we're involved in, no membership card is required. I think people sometimes get so lost in what they're doing that they lose sight of the beauty of exposing people to new music -- it happens to all of us from time to time. - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Saturday, July 24, 2004 6:24 pm Subject: Re: (313) Matthew Johnson I could not agree more with all of Derek's rant. Note for the record, I've been evangelizing about Mathew Jonson since I first saw him live @ Fabricthis Spring. I'm not saying that to underscore the 'ahead of the curve' factor, just to say that this is not some f*cking trend based on two new releases! Everyone will love it, and I want everyone to take note! That is the only reason I've taken time to mention it. Precisely as Derek said, the hype is there because the music represents everything that techno is. I simply don't have enough superlatives for it. If people want to see it as a trend, that speaks more about their jadedness than the quality of the music they're critiquing. No one has has ever consitiuted a trend on thier own, and his inimitability will always keep him afar from classification. Let's revisit this discussion in 5 years and see if it's a trend. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) anthony rother
yes, it's quite good -- and it's also three years old. jobot - Original Message - From: theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:13 pm Subject: Re: (313) anthony rother At 08:12 PM 7/22/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, Rother has been recycling the same ideas over and over. I've beenlistening to samples of his music online for a few hours now and it all sounds the same. His Psi Performer stuff is quite different. jeff
Re: (313) records
the a-side, kisses i think? not sure but that's the track i assumed yussel was referring to. it is a bit over the top... - Original Message - From: J. T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:28 pm Subject: Re: (313) records do you guys mean that audion track with the crazy rave sounds? the mathew jonson reminds me of the maurice fulton remix of freak7 out a few months ago...same bass sounds at least, the fulton is fun too (more wild), would go well together... maybe, but the remixes came out this year -- and it's a better cut than Audion, though not by much :) can't wait to get my mitts on that new mathew jonson record. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:30 pm Subject: Re: (313) records fair try...but since 'bout ready to jack' was song of the year 2002 i think a remix can't really qualify. On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to nominate Shake's rmx of osbourne bout ready to jack on Spectral... jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 pm Subject: Re: (313) records cut-of-the-year cloose second- audion (mattt dear) on ghostly acid acid acid /replyingtoyourownpostspriceless/ I got the latest Mathew Jonson 12 on M_nus this morning. must check this too! good work chaps. _ - End of message text - --- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring _ Planning a family vacation? Check out the MSN Family Travel guide! http://dollar.msn.com
Re: (313) anthony rother
yeah, Hacker was a solid release. some great moments on the Electro Commando comp that came out on psi49 around that time, too. both are better than the early stuff production-wise, but I don't think the tracks are as timeless as those on sex with the machines or simulationszeitalter. jobot - Original Message - From: Emile Facey (Plant43) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:44 am Subject: Re: (313) anthony rother His new album is not my thing at all but I wouldn't agree that he's been tapped out for a long time. His 'Hacker' album (2002) has some great moments and pretty original ones too, the production is also great. The title track of this album is where he first started experimenting with vocals and I thought it worked really well, a brave move. If you listen to say, 'Red light District' through to 'Hacker' I think there's a huge progression in song writing and sound production. on 23/7/04 1:12 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IMO, Rother has been recycling the same ideas over and over. I've been listening to samples of his music online for a few hours now and it all sounds the same. The man is tapped out of ideas. If he was a beer keg he'd be all foam now.
Re: (313) sunshowers
dunno, but I'm finding myself wondering how many different artists have used the name M.I.A. -- this girl, Raphael from UR, plus there's a minimal artist on Traum/Substatic... - Original Message - From: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 9:01 am Subject: (313) sunshowers hey spotters! the chorus in this song. where is it from??? it's driving me crazy not being able to recall it. (yeah, yeah, I know, it *is* a rathershort drive. ha ha.) http://www.cissme.com/beggars/rm/xl/mia/video/xls187cd-01_rvs.ram sean deason
Re: (313) OT: If record covers were honest ...
thanks -- the kid606 one is priceless :) - Original Message - From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 10:45 am Subject: (313) OT: If record covers were honest ... Not really 313-related, but a good chuckle to start off the day ... http://www.somethingawful.com/articles.php?a=2275 - Greg
Re: (313) Matthew Johnson
a -- i knew the clip on m_nus sounded familiar... wish i would've caught more of his set than just the last 20 minutes. jobot - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:34 pm Subject: Re: (313) Matthew Johnson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 3:57 PM Subject: (313) Matthew Johnson spotted this. single of the week! I'm just a hive of info today fact fans. http://www.boomkat.com/item.cfm?merchID=14451 Just wait for the Minus 12 is all I can say. It seriously devastated at the end of his live set @ Paxahau's Yel 2 party @ Movement this year. The bassline was reverberating in my ears for 2 weeks after hearing it. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Re: new Prodigy album
the press sheet for Linkin Park's first album claimed that Aphex Twin was one of their primary influences. i really hate myself for knowing that. i'm going to curl up in the corner and cry now... - jobot - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:57 pm Subject: Re: (313) Re: new Prodigy album At 03:45 PM 7/23/2004, DJ Entropy wrote: When I go to a Something Corporate and Yellowcard show that ends at 11pm, costs 15 bucks, and is 15 miles out of the city...and *3,200* people are there, while the local DNB and Techno nights can't get 40 people, thenyes, it most certainly is. OH WELL THEN I guess Rush, John Mayer, Norah Jones, 311, and Linkin Park are the new rave too! What the hell were you doing at a crummy show like that anyway? Picking up high schoolers? ;P -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; matt kane's brain http://www.hydrogenproject.com [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Re: new Prodigy album
i hope everybody downloads it -- if it doesn't make the labels any money, hopefully they'll stop releasing this garbage. - Original Message - From: Thomas D. Cox, Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 23, 2004 5:00 pm Subject: Re: (313) Re: new Prodigy album -- Original Message -- From: DJ Entropy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Werd. Linkin Park is awesome. I'm actually downloading their entire discography right now with bit torrent. thats a very short and unimpressive catalogue man. you really know exactly the worst music thats out. it makes me really scared that our tastes have ever collided. tom andythepooh.com
Re: (313) records
what i've picked up recently: Matzo Pauli EP on Viewlexx -- special order; i had been looking for this for months. This must be a repress as my copy is on plain ol' black vinyl instead of the translucent red from the first run. :( it's still a great record -- i love the slower, melancholy disco A-side. Rhythim is Rhythim Beyond the Dance reissue A Certain Ratio - The Graveyard and The Ballroom CD reissue. I can't believe I've never delved into their backcatalog earlier. Great combination of albums to put on one disc, as you get the archetypal Martin Hammett production on the first half and a really good live performance on the second. Syncom Data Solid Industries on Bunker -- solid indeed, very dark and sparse and slamming. bet those responsible have been listening to a lot of Rob Hood records lately... UR Windchime -- two sides of greatness. gorgeous Strings/Jaguar-esque A side, dark fast electro on the flip. both sides scream Detroit louder than a photo of Hart Plaza. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 7:42 am Subject: (313) records Well folks, I'm losing the will to live here. Not bought any records for ages. Have hardly picked up a record for weeks. I noticed a couple of bits that could be interesting. (not listened though) 2 new Neroli releases (Yotoko Basic Laws 3) And also a Tread release on 3rd Ear. So, anyone have any news of good records to cheer me up? Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) New Records
agreed on the new Jeff Mills, and excited to catch Dabrye live this weekend. jobot - Original Message - From: Jason Brunton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:04 am Subject: (313) New Records Also- New Juan Atkins on New Relgion is due on Monday (no surprise to you Alex!) as well as his new one on Subject Detroit. Theo's Ugly Edits 5, 6 and 7 are also due tomorrow. Didn't hear anyone talking about those Abe Duque records either- 7 with Blake Baxter and number 8 are both MILES better than anything else I've heard by him before and the new Blake Baxter on Mix is top summer tune action (Blake For Love- genius!). Also check anything you can find on Voltage- an amazingly diverse label from San Fransisco who mix Techno, Dub and other electronic forms like no-one else I've heard (I believe their next release features Titonton Duvante but everything else on the label is by Fresh, New Producers!) The new Mills on Axis is pretty fine too So is the next release on SoloAction from Germany So is the Maurice Fulton mix of I:Cube's Vacuum Jackers So is the Maurice Fulton mix of Fred Everything on 20/20 Vision New Dabyre of Ghostly too Loads of good stuff out at the mo! cheers Jason PS I am playing at the Liquid Lounge on Saturday night if any listmembers are in Glasgow- its both Tom Churchill's birthday AND mine so it should be a night of musical mayhem and celebrations!
Re: Re[2]: (313) miss kitten ?
okay, because it's the second record mentioned on that page i've got to ask -- what's up with Anthony Rother lately? seems like he disappeared for quite some time, then resurfaced about six months ago with a whole lot of crap tracks. he used to be one of my favorite producers. he's still awesome live, at any rate... jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 8:30 am Subject: Re[2]: (313) miss kitten ? http://www.electroclash.lv ~~~ it was 22.07.2004 when u've been going like this -= :: The magazines that covered it all went bust and it disappeared up its own arse :: -Original Message- :: From: matrix313 [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 1:09 PM :: To: 313@hyperreal.org :: Subject: Re: (313) miss kitten ? :: so. whatever happened to Electroclash? one minute it was everywhere, and
Re: (313) records
i'd like to nominate Shake's rmx of osbourne bout ready to jack on Spectral... jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 pm Subject: Re: (313) records cut-of-the-year cloose second- audion (mattt dear) on ghostly acid acid acid /replyingtoyourownpostspriceless/ I got the latest Mathew Jonson 12 on M_nus this morning. must check this too! good work chaps. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: Re[2]: (313) miss kitten ?
hmmm, i need to hear Warm. agreed on the rest -- his early output is amazing. actually the newer stuff has been released under the label Datapunk, so at least he's not tarnishing the psi49 imprint with subpar releases. i haven't heard the new 2LP for the same reasons you cited. i did hear that In Electro We Trust comp and yeah, it's garbage. jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 3:03 pm Subject: Re: Re[2]: (313) miss kitten ? I hear you on that one - he seems to have gotten on the electroclash bandwagon just about when it had reached the end of the line. His best work (imo) is still Sex with the Machines, Simulationszeitalter (love this), his work on Elektrolux, and my favoriteof his is actually not an electro cut but the more minimal techno Warm on i220. I'm not sure what he's doing - I don't really pick up his records anymorebecause, quite frankly, I'm tired of hearing electro that is all dark and scary doom gloom sh*t like most of what I've heard lately from PSI49Net. MEK
Re: (313) records
maybe, but the remixes came out this year -- and it's a better cut than Audion, though not by much :) can't wait to get my mitts on that new mathew jonson record. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 4:30 pm Subject: Re: (313) records fair try...but since 'bout ready to jack' was song of the year 2002 i think a remix can't really qualify. On Thu, 22 Jul 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i'd like to nominate Shake's rmx of osbourne bout ready to jack on Spectral... jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:46 pm Subject: Re: (313) records cut-of-the-year cloose second- audion (mattt dear) on ghostly acid acid acid /replyingtoyourownpostspriceless/ I got the latest Mathew Jonson 12 on M_nus this morning. must check this too! good work chaps. _ - End of message text - --- This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) when I grow up......
http://www.grexultra.com/movies/assign.zip -- loops from Claude Young... unfortunately it's not actually him working the controller. - Original Message - From: Renegade808 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 5:53 pm Subject: Re: (313) when I grow up.. personally i think this is THE controller.its not quite out yet but will be VERY soon. The ol MXF8 check it out http://www.grexultra.com/erol.html...i think this controller will end up being used by lots of people, it really is great. so far its the best i have seen out there..but hey really its about what works for you.all i know is i am getting one when they come out michael www.renegaderhythms.com I want one of these for Ableton Live. check it out, that's some cosmic controller board. http://www.doepfer.de/controller_example_1.JPG Commander Bond, dial in channel 9 and man the joystick Righty-ho Captain Baldelli peow. does anyone know how to make these? richie hawtins and monolakes are here too http://www.doepfer.de/Controller_examples.htm I want one. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Sunday afternoon deathbed question
New Order - The Peel Sessions (Jun 1 '82) jason kenjar wrote: Ok. If you died today and had arranged for your cremated ashes to be pressed into a record, which one would it be?? Drew= Final Frontier MEK = Larry Heard Alien Lp Me= Wave Jumper keep em coming!!
Re: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice
perhaps Propaganda and Belle Sebastian should collaborate on a one-off cover of Video Killed the Radio Star. - Original Message - From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 3:37 am Subject: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice No TATU though. ;) Produced by Trevor Horn, a concert for The Prince's Trust On sale Fri 16 July 9am! Confirmed artists: ABC, Art of Noise, Belle Sebastian, Buggles, Lisa Stansfield, Pet Shop Boys, Propaganda, Seal, and Yes Trevor Horn is the God of Pop Production. This star-studded concert, celebrating Horn's 25 years as one of the world's most successful music producers, takes place on Thursday 11 November at Wembley Arena. It's an incredible mix of artists together on one night, on one stage for one man which aims to raise money for youthcharity, The Prince's Trust. The artists confirmed so far reflect the depth and breadth of Trevor's hit-making career. Wembley Arena are proud to be supporting this event as part of our affiliation with the youth charity for 2004. Trevor Horn's groundbreaking musical career reads like a 'who's who' of popular music. His super adventures in modern recording have establishedTrevor as one of the top names in record production. Horn has proved time and time again that pop is an art form, and that he is the supremepop artist. His musical genius has created countless worldwide hits and in the process, played a hugely influential role in shaping many artistscareers. The concert will bring together many of the musicians who have worked with Trevor and who now take this opportunity to pay tribute to his talent. Trevor Horn, commented: I am thrilled to have the opportunity to work again with some of the world's greatest talent, helping young people who just need a second chance. As we are fortunate enough to have such an array of hits to choose from we will make 11 November 2004 an exceptional evening for everyone to remember. 11 November 2004 Tickets: £35, £45, £55 + booking fee Box Office: 0870 264 0264 Hospitality packages are available from The Prince's Trust on 020 7543 1389 www.whatsonwembley.com
Re: RE: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice
that track always deserved the Long Distance Runaround. :) - j - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 4:50 am Subject: RE: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice I used to think I liked Yes until someone pointed out that 'Owner Of A Loney Heart' - effing brillinat as it is - was a single remix of an LP track by Trevor Horn! -Original Message- From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:43 AM To: Cyclone Wehner; 313 Detroit Subject: RE: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice Wembely Arena is the most horrific venue of all time. And whilst Art of Noise the PSB would be amazing, the rest leave a lot to be desired. Yes? -Original Message- From: Cyclone Wehner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 July 2004 09:38 To: 313 Detroit Subject: (313) Trevor Horn Fans Rejoice No TATU though. ;) Produced by Trevor Horn, a concert for The Prince's Trust On sale Fri 16 July 9am! Confirmed artists: ABC, Art of Noise, Belle Sebastian, Buggles, Lisa Stansfield, Pet Shop Boys, Propaganda, Seal, and Yes Trevor Horn is the God of Pop Production. This star-studded concert, celebrating Horn's 25 years as one of the world's most successful music producers, takes place on Thursday 11 November at Wembley Arena. It's an incredible mix of artists together on one night, on one stage for one man which aims to raise money for youthcharity, The Prince's Trust. The artists confirmed so far reflect the depth and breadth of Trevor's hit-making career. Wembley Arena are proud to be supporting this event as part of our affiliation with the youth charity for 2004. Trevor Horn's groundbreaking musical career reads like a 'who's who' of popular music. His super adventures in modern recording have establishedTrevor as one of the top names in record production. Horn has proved time and time again that pop is an art form, and that he is the supremepop artist. His musical genius has created countless worldwide hits and in the process, played a hugely influential role in shaping many artistscareers. The concert will bring together many of the musicians who have worked with Trevor and who now take this opportunity to pay tribute to his talent. Trevor Horn, commented: I am thrilled to have the opportunity to work again with some of the world's greatest talent, helping young people who just need a second chance. As we are fortunate enough to have such an array of hits to choose from we will make 11 November 2004 an exceptional evening for everyone to remember. 11 November 2004 Tickets: £35, £45, £55 + booking fee Box Office: 0870 264 0264 Hospitality packages are available from The Prince's Trust on 020 75431389 www.whatsonwembley.com
Re: (313) when I grow up......
hrm -- interesting. i'm ordinarily not much of a Behringer fan, as I think they take cost-cutting measures that affect sound quality, but that's not really an issue with a USB MIDI controller. there's also the BCR2000, which does away with the faders completely in exchange for more knobs. - joe - Original Message - From: Ronny Pries [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 19, 2004 10:08 am Subject: Re: (313) when I grow up.. I just put my hands on this: http://www.behringer.com/BCF2000/index.cfm?lang=ENG and must admit it puts Ableton Live into new perspective. The motorfaders are so-so but i.e. the knobs have got pushbutton functionality, are configurable 4x via groups, it's easy to setup the controller to send different values, it's got different led modes for simple values, panning etcetc. And for ~230 $ it's a real bargain. Ronny [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want one of these for Ableton Live. check it out, that's some cosmic controller board. http://www.doepfer.de/controller_example_1.JPG Commander Bond, dial in channel 9 and man the joystick Righty-ho Captain Baldelli peow. does anyone know how to make these? richie hawtins and monolakes are here too http://www.doepfer.de/Controller_examples.htm I want one. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) Render List
plus there should be some sort of method for the archive to be updated with little or no human intervention. it's not september 2002 anymore; the .gz archives apparently haven't been updated since then. i dunno, i'm all for it. i'm sick of getting home and having 20 different emails i've saved from the 313 list and not remembering why i kept them all. i think having a secure yet searchable html archive would make things easier. - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:17 am Subject: Re: (313) Render List i think its a great idea. wouldn't need to save any of this then and could look through it later on... it would be even better if it was usrname/password protected. but for me that's not even a necessity if the @.blah.blah bits are stripped out. That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum. it's just an archive i wantin a more accesible html format (not gzipped text). not really a big change from now really. or am i missing something? of course, this should be cleared with george (is he still list admin?) and hyperreal first tho i agree. cheers robin...
Re: (313) Render List
Remote control and microcassettes?
- j
- Original Message -
From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 9:59 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
To be clear - I don't want a forum, we already have loads of those...
I want to drag this list into 21st Century, by the scruff of the
neck.
I want 313 on TV, and PDA - If you fear change fine - it's just
not
very techno IMHO...
Martin
On 16 Jul 2004, at 15:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm reading this thread and what jumps out to me as opportunity
with
what's been offered ... is perhaps the ability to search.
haven't we
talked about this before concerning the usability of the current
archives setup? I'm not knocking what exists ('cos it's great
that it
*does* exist), just saying that maybe this could help more in
the
future when someone says ... 'hey wasn't there something a few
years
back about _insert techno topic here_' - and then we'd actually
be
able to find it (by keyword search, and not oodles of mails
around to
see who's still got it on their hard drive, etc.).
I don't think 313 should turn into a forum. I like that it's a
list.
Remember Dirtylist and how that changed to a forum - just not
the
same. :\
lisa
- Original Message -
From: Dan Bean [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Friday, July 16, 2004 10:33 am
Subject: Re: (313) Render List
That would turn this 10 year old mailinglist into a online forum.
I think KJ makes an important point here. I quite like the
'listness' of 313. It means that the kind of discussions that
occur have a particular feel and tempo that you don't get on say,
Little Detroit. I'm not saying one's better than the other, but I
like the immediate nature of it. There's always the digest for
those that feel differently.
Re: (313) Bad Day
whoa, I haven't listened to 'White light...' in at least 5 years.
have you heard the New Deutsch compilation on Gigolo? 20 tracks of early
Germanic analog weirdness, including 'Film 2'. one of the most important
releases of last year in my opinion.
- jobot
- Original Message -
From: De Block, Mario [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 1:06 pm
Subject: Re: (313) Bad Day
i just discovered some ultra fine deep house mixes through
www.pojirecords.com- truly original spirit - house music with dj
pope and oji. it's so fat what i
heard there on 88.9 fm Baltimore! The fabric mix of Stacey Pullen
fires my
engines too in my car. Alternatively, if i feel sad the other day,
there'sseemingly not any techno/electronica record which can me
make reconnect again
with my power. When i need that i bow back to things like the
Swans ('white
light from the mouth of infinity') or eventually a bit of intimate
post rock.
ps today i discovered Grauzone's 'Film 2' - wow, my gosh these
guys were ahead
of their time
Mario
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
Any Larry Heard mix will do - Chris Gray's mixes are good for
putting a
smile on my moody face as well
the Aux 88 mix CD he did on k7 makes me happy
Martin Dust
[EMAIL PROTECTED]To:
313@hyperreal.org com cc:
Subject: (313)
Bad Day
07/13/04 11:07 AM
Tell you what, I'm having a bad day - but D Wynn's - Souls In Motion
mix is powering me through, top summer funk. What mix always
cheers you
up?
Martin
Re: (313) Re: [idm] Pontiac, MI
that's downright depressing. personally, I think this is too close time-wise to DEMF -- if it were later in the summer or early fall, I think it would stand a much better chance of success. - Original Message - From: theREALmxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 11, 2004 10:27 am Subject: (313) Re: [idm] Pontiac, MI Agreed - and yesterday it looked like a ghost town. At its most packed, there might have been 300 people there. Maybe a few more, but it looked SO empty given the space allotted and 3 stages. A shame with so much talent onboard. jeff At 06:57 PM 7/11/2004, Martin Dust wrote: This looks brilliant, wish I was closer, so many good names to see and new ones check out and it Free - holy smoke... Today, free. If you're local, do it. Sunday July 11th Big Boy Main Stage Ziam (live) 12-1 Mike Geiger 1-2 Mike Huckaby 2-3:30 Glen Underground 3:30-5:30 Terrance Parker 5:30-7:15 Nico Marks (live) 7:30-8:45 D. Wynn 9-11 Real Detroit Magazine Techno Stage Matt Clarke 12-1:30 Tom Newman 1:30-2:30 Chuck Flask 2:30-3:30 DJ 3000 3:30-4:30 Dennis Cox 4:30-6 Mike Grant 6:30-8:15 Anthony Shakir 8:30-9:45 Scan 7 (live) 10-11 House Stage Mathew Boynton 12-1 DJ Shortround 1-2 Reggie Curry 2-3 The Groovemasters 3-4 Dewayne Jensen feat. Miyon 4-5 Doc Link 5-6 Reggie Dokes 6-7:30 Delano Smith 7:30-9 3 Chairs 9-11
Re: (313) Digital Soul Party/Detroit House Festival
you saw the Pixies and your weekend was only 'OK' ??? I'm living for the day this coming November when I finally get to see them... - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, July 12, 2004 4:56 am Subject: (313) Digital Soul Party/Detroit House Festival How was your weekend folks? Mine was OK, I saw the Pixies Saturday, and had an enjoyable afternoon down at list member Francis' BBQ at the Queens Arms, Cheetham Hill on Sunday. How was the Digital Soul party, or the house festival in Detroit? Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
(313) contact info
looking for contact information for Alex from Ultradyne -- I inadvertently deleted his email address. if anybody has this please respond off list. - jobot
Re: FW: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids?
I commend your bin-digging endurance. i've found maybe two records in the entire lot that have been worth purchasing -- 99.8% of that Watts collection is horrid commercial dance music. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 6, 2004 11:31 am Subject: Re: FW: (313) Re: what's the most people are willing to pay for rekkids? yeah, as I've mentioned before, one of the local shops here has a fairlygood relationship with Watts distribution Watts had a warehouse full of records and CDs that they had lost inventoryon and they were tired of paying rent on the storage space so they sold the whole entire warehouse to the local shop here in Minneapolis The shop has been putting the records - brand new and most still sealed - out for sale for ridiculous prices $2 for 12 to maybe $11 for a double or triple vinyl. The big finds have been Claude Young's Acid Wash Conflict on 7th City - sealed for $3 Dan Bell's Elevate Special Projects 1 - the original ltd to 500 release - for $2! the record was brand new never played Paul W. Teebrooke - OW002 and Nova 12 brand new for $3 each Sterac - Secret Life Remixes Pt.1 Most of the Tons of Tones 12 on Urban Sound of Amsterdam quite a number of early Detroit house/techno records (Happy Records, Santonio Echols, etc.) there's a been a few more but can't recall everything MEK It's good when shops 'discover' a lost batch of original pressings which sometimes happens - Piccadilly di this recently with the Mowax stuff - and I checked with the label, they really were original. If they were bootlegsthey were damn fine ones, original art, little postcard, cardboard sleeves and mega loud pressing (esp for 1996.) I had not heard 'Ravers Suck Our Sound' before I gotr this so I was grateful. This also happened with Roy Davis Junior's 'Gabriel' thing a few years ago too. Anyone else with such tales?
Re: (313) record insurance (OT)
I believe if you get renter's insurance you can declare your records as a valuable, in which case they would be covered if stolen... which reminds me, I need to get renter's insurance. No idea if you're a homeowner, and things are probably different in the UK anyways. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 1, 2004 9:13 am Subject: (313) record insurance (OT) Hi Do people insure their records? If so, where? and does it cost alot? My new house is wayyy too easy to break into for my liking, and I just know one day I'm gonna catch some 12 yr old dangling half way outside my spare room window with a load of records under his arm. (Probably before I get a chance to insure them). and, to be honest, they're about the only thing I own that is worth anything. That was a plus of living on the 11th floor. If some spiderman type could climb 11 floors to get into my flat, he'd have been welcome to my chit. any ideas? sorry to be OT, I have no idea of who to ask though. Thanks Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers. PricewaterhouseCoopers may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring
Re: (313) record insurance (OT)
one of my best friend's record collection was involved in a fire while he was out of the country recently. he had them stored at a high school friend's place, which was almost completely gutted by fire. we spent several days retrieving and sorting thru 9 postal crates full of smoke-damaged record sleeves -- but somewhat miraculously, almost all of the records still play just fine. a few are a bit warped, and I bet his current set of needles won't last long, but mainly just sleeve damage and the wondrous scent of campfire and burnt plastic. - jobot - Original Message - From: Chris Anglesey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, July 1, 2004 11:44 am Subject: Re: (313) record insurance (OT) Yes Robin, you're right about DC losing a large portion of his tunes in a fire. Think this happened about 5 years ago. Apparently he didn't lose all of them many of the records he owned which used to belong to Ron Hardy were safe. I pray something like this never happens to me. I got half of my collection stolen once and that was bad enough :( Subject: Re: (313) record insurance (OT) Speaking of, it seems like I heard Derrick Carter lost his house/record collection to a fire a few years back. Anyone know about this or am I dreaming this up? might have been derrick as well but i remember Maurice Fulton losing his whole collection a coupla years back. also happened to charlie hall (drum club/projex) a few years back too. i shudder to think how i'd feel if this happened to me robin...
Re: (313) Some Hot Tracks
i've been listening to 'the other people place' a LOT lately... it's like Drexciyan theory applied to TP or Moodymann-style deep house. great to listen to outside or in the car on a beautiful summer day. i'm also trying to figure out how to upload an mp3 into my cell phone. i will not rest until JT's Pagoda of Sin is my ring tone... - jobot - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 7:56 am Subject: Re: (313) Some Hot Tracks I'm digging a Japanese Telecom LP from a while back though, and have Tikiman and Scion's live set from Mutek on constant play on the ol' ipod. The Cobblestone Jazz set is also stunning. i've been digging that Japanese Telecom LP this weekend tooalong with The Other People Place LP on Warp robin...
Re: RE: (313) Some Hot Tracks
i've never been able to get hold of that one... if anyone stumbles across it at an online store (preferably US), pls send me the link off list. - jobot - Original Message - From: Ken Odeluga [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 8:04 am Subject: RE: (313) Some Hot Tracks If you all like that, check out that Arpanet thing too. Just ignore the NTTDoCoMo track (corp sponsers) and then it's just as good as the 'VirtualGeisha' LP. Maybe it did deserve to be panned when it came out for basically being a big advert for globalisation. in reality though, given an unprejudiced listen, every track but the blatant advert one sounds prettyspecial to me, even two years later. k -Original Message- From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 1:56 PM To: Toby Frith Cc: 313 Subject: Re: (313) Some Hot Tracks I'm digging a Japanese Telecom LP from a while back though, and have Tikiman and Scion's live set from Mutek on constant play on the ol' ipod. The Cobblestone Jazz set is also stunning. i've been digging that Japanese Telecom LP this weekend tooalong with The Other People Place LP on Warp robin...
Re: RE: (313) Theo P
minneapolis is full of kids that stand 3 feet from the decks with their arms folded staring at your hands, waiting for you to slip up a beatmatch... it's really f***ing annoying. is it like that everywhere? - j - Original Message - From: Steward, Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:24 am Subject: RE: (313) Theo P this would be a good reason, tons of people just watch the dj's hands and try to determine what record is playing next, instead of dancing with anticipation -Original Message- From: placid [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:19 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Theo P I always thought it was to stop trainspotters and just to get people to dance and listen to the music instead of watching / worshipping the dj... -Original Message- From: Martin Dust [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 June 2004 14:56 To: 313 Subject: (313) Theo P Does anyone know the real reason why he always plays behind a screen? The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the namedaddressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediatelyand then destroy it.
Re: (313) washington dc?
Still sounds like Minneapolis, if you substitute minimal techno for deep house. There are a few really good minimal DJs -- and a whole slew of mediocre ones trying to jump on the bandwagon. - jobot - Original Message - From: Phonopsia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 4:11 pm Subject: Re: (313) washington dc? There's actually a load of good local deep house DJs but the touring artists that come through are very un-chancey. Not many people you can't see in every other large urban area in the US. Some of my favorite locals wereDarrow, Milo, Omar Faisson, Brian Stewart, Doug Smith (of 95 North) and Sam the Man Burns. Brett Dancer lives in Balto now I think, and was doing Vicki's Sanctuary stuff this time last year, which Pope and Oji from Balto also used to do - on the more spiritual tip. Looks like that is still the case according to this: http://www.dcsanctuary.com/. If you're looking for a good, largely black crowd, this is the place to go. The best party I saw in DC was when Ron Trent played there. My favorite venue in DC is the Blue Room in Adam's Morgan: http://www.blueroomdc.com/. The food's good and the beverage selection is top-notch. They have a very fun open turntables night there (still on but not sure what the music will be like these days - show up by 7 to spin). The amazing Sunday night 'Filler' party is now gone unfortunately and it appears Milo's 'Root' weekly is as well. :( Carl 'El Hombre Pintado' or Brian Stewart still seem to be spinning some Saturdays, which should be a nice option for deep house, although the crowd at most places in DC on Saturdayscan be a bit annoying. Conversely on Wednesdays, on the broken beat tip, try to check out Juliusand John Johnston at the free Abstract Motion party on Wednesday's at club 5 (Upcoming Guests: Kyoto Jazz Massive, Bugz in the Attic, and Ian Frost), or wherever else they may be playing when you get there. More info on theseguys here: http://www.groovedistrict.com. Good peepz and tunes. Should avoid most of the typical '5' crowd on a Wednesday. Thursdays you can usually find something good at Red or 18th Street Lounge in Dupont Circle, both around the corner from '5'. Most Friday's in DC are pretty bleak due to Buzz's overwhelming dominationof the scene. As Lara said, the techno scene is virtually non-existant post-Filler and Metrotechno evacuation (not that it was very prevalent then). All that said, it's a fun place in general. Tool around in DupontCircle or Adams Morgan long enough and you'll find fun. More info on venues here: http://www.lemurgene.com/venues/ (oh and on that note the Lemur Lounge parties in Alexandria were fun - not sure if they're on still though). 313 topicality: Did Keith Worthy ever move out there? He'd be durn good to see too. Tristan === http://www.phonopsia.co.uk [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Rane SSL
Very interesting. One could assume, given Rane's reputation for building bulletproof gear, that this would be a much more stable solution than that other vinyl/computer interface... - jobot - Original Message - From: Marc Langsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:54 am Subject: (313) Rane SSL Hey has anyone had a fiddle with the new Rane/Serato Scratch Live [Finalscratch competitor] ? Its lookin rather fly from the gubbins on the Rane website [http://www.rane.com/scratch.html] be interested to hear how it compares to FS. peace, Marc
Re: RE: (313) Sonar 2004: It Rocked!!!!!
Weak. I caught them on the Mezzanine tour here, and they were excellent. What a difference a few years can make. - jobot - Original Message - From: Toby Frith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 5:04 am Subject: RE: (313) Sonar 2004: It Rocked! I only caught the end, but apart from Unfinished Sympathy, which was great to hear (and totally stripped down), it was a wall of shrieking guitars and whispered vocals caught too low in the mix to hear properly. Naff. -Original Message- From: Robert Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 28 June 2004 12:00 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Williams, Graham Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Sonar 2004: It Rocked! Seconded - MA live are incredibly dull and certainly not what you want to hear on a Saturday night in Barca - another pathertic stunt big name booking that doesn't make any sense. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:26 PM To: Williams, Graham Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Sonar 2004: It Rocked! Williams, Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/24/2004, 12:20:12 AM: Massive Attack Sonar Nite Saturday Boring Boring Boring enough said that's pretty darn hard to believe! # Note: Any views or opinions are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Channel Four Television Corporation unless specifically stated. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank You. #
Re: (313) recording detroit techno sets
yeah, I don't think the ipod has a line-level input. The only decent mp3 player I know of that has one are the older Creative Nomad models, the larger ones that also function as a CD player. The newer, pocket-sized Nomads don't. I often wonder why this feature isn't included on mp3 players, it would make things much easier for us... I suspect the manufacturers are trying not to offend the RIAA. - jobot - Original Message - From: Marc Langsman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:11 am Subject: Re: (313) recording detroit techno sets Last I heard Ipod could only record mono using a [belkin] i think voiceadapter thing rumour has it the ipos is capable of recording with the right firmware but no word on anything yet With the whole iTunes thing kicking off Id be suprised if they added recording... bloody daft really as I'd have bought one other wise !! peace, Marc - Original Message - From: Rob Tyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 4:27 PM Subject: (313) recording detroit techno sets Hello everyone, Does anyone know if you can record from decks through mixer onto an ipod. If the answer is yes... How? Thanks in advance, Rob.
Re: (313) recording detroit techno sets with ipod
naturally, no US dealers listed :-( - j - Original Message - From: Jari Tolkkinen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 28, 2004 11:45 am Subject: Re: (313) recording detroit techno sets with ipod I'm getting one of these: http://nordic.iriver.se/products.php?p=9m=H140sid=7db9355b860ffc2f204aefac7a9c0a6c It can record straight out of your mixer to .wav or .mp3. Only downside (afaik) with this is that you cannot adjust the recording level. Hopefully they'll fix that for their next firmware. -- Jari Tolkkinen | dj ken-guru | http://www.ken-guru.net --
Re: (313) studio monitors // berlin // dbx
funny -- i just bought a pair of studio monitors this afternoon. take a look at the KRK V6. i'm just getting started in production and this is the first pair of monitors i've owned, but I did quite a bit of research and listening before settling on these. I can tell you already that they are very good at reproducing subtleties without coloration. the others I have heard in the same price range -- Event, M-Audio, Mackie, Yamaha -- seem to overemphasize one aspect or another of the sound. For instance, electronic music sounded very good on the Event TR8, but play something with bass guitar and the lower frequencies sound muddy and undefined. The two main qualities with monitors are your ears, and the space you put them. As with any other speakers, what sounds great to me might sound terrible to you, and vice versa. I would definitely make sure that you can return them if they do not sound right once you get them home. also, Sound on Sound has some highly objective monitor reviews -- www.soundonsound.com - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 0:00 am Subject: (313) studio monitors // berlin // dbx hiya, list! i'm planning to get a pair of studio monitors, preferably active ones. anything u can recommend, any positive/negative experiences? most probably i'll go to Berlin to buy 'em and few other devices since professional audio gear is rare and rather expensive in my homeland Latvia [except old soviet analogue synths without midi support, that is]. i fancy second hand gear as well, maybe people in Berlin can gimme a hint where should i look for it? on a side note, what can u say about dbx 266xl compressor? /z99
Re: (313) studio monitors // berlin // dbx
I've heard 'em, and they're okay for $99 speakers. they're nice if you need something portable -- my pal brought a pair to Detroit so we'd have something to screw around with Ableton and watch dvd's on in the hotel. I'd say they're more on the level of good computer speakers than cheap professional monitors. i swear to god they haven't paid me off, but give the KRK RP-5 a listen. they sound real similar to the V6's and at $300/pr they're an absolute steal. http://www.zzounds.com/item--KRKRP5 - jobot - Original Message - From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 4:34 pm Subject: Re: (313) studio monitors // berlin // dbx hello - I've been checking out monitors as well, and am curious if anyone has these: http://www.samash.com/catalog/showitem.asp?ItemID=21288TempID=8Method=2CategoryID=0BrandID=0PriceRangeID=0PageNum=0DepartmentID=7DepartmentKeeper=pagesize=10SortMethod=0Word1=monitorContains=%22%2Amonitor%2A%22Search_Type=SEARCHGroupCode=nonetodaythanks and what your thoughts are on them. or if anyone can recommend something similar inexpensive for use with recording/making music/mixes using a computer/mixer/decks all setup near each other. the small speakers I have now are pretty crappy, and not even made for this - so most anything will be a step up for me. thanks lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: funny -- i just bought a pair of studio monitors this afternoon. take a look at the KRK V6. i'm just getting started in production and this is the first pair of monitors i've owned, but I did quite a bit of research and listening before settling on these. I can tell you already that they are very good at reproducing subtleties without coloration. the others I have heard in the same price range -- Event, M-Audio, Mackie, Yamaha -- seem to overemphasize one aspect or another of the sound. For instance, electronic music sounded very good on the Event TR8, but play something with bass guitar and the lower frequencies sound muddy and undefined. The two main qualities with monitors are your ears, and the space you put them. As with any other speakers, what sounds great to me might sound terrible to you, and vice versa. I would definitely make sure that you can return them if they do not sound right once you get them home. also, Sound on Sound has some highly objective monitor reviews -- www.soundonsound.com - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, June 27, 2004 0:00 am Subject: (313) studio monitors // berlin // dbx hiya, list! i'm planning to get a pair of studio monitors, preferably active ones. anything u can recommend, any positive/negative experiences? most probably i'll go to Berlin to buy 'em and few other devices sinceprofessional audio gear is rare and rather expensive in my homelandLatvia [except old soviet analogue synths without midi support, that is]. i fancy second hand gear as well, maybe people in Berlin can gimme a hint where should i look for it? on a side note, what can u say about dbx 266xl compressor? /z99
Re: (313) A domestic Perlon-like sound??
you took the words out of my mouth. - jobot - Original Message - From: David Gillies [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:26 pm Subject: Re: (313) A domestic Perlon-like sound?? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really like the experimental techno/house sound (Geez n Gosh, Akufen, Pantytec, Sutekh, Matthew Dear, Twerk, Monolake, etc) and was wondering if anyone could suggest American releases in that ballpark? How about Matthew Dear, Twerk and Sutekh? They're American ;-D
Re: (313) A domestic Perlon-like sound??
steven beaprea (aka crackhaus) Oh christ, just when I had forgotten about that harmonica track... - jobot
Re: (313) Laptop performances
I second the Richard Devine vote. Most of the core Schematic artists are laptoppy (?) and still manage to really get the audience involved. My personal favorite is Otto von Schirach -- his live show is nuts. Another group of great live laptop performers are the ZOD Records guys out of Wisconsin. Curtis Chip and Emotional Joystick are particularly good, and both incorporate other instruments. CC incorporates an old Sequential Circuits drum machine and some other vintage toys, while EJ does live organ along with the laptop glitch. see www.zodrecords.com -- I see they are doing some shows in the Netherlands in early July, you Euro 313ers should check it out. As far as more traditional Detroit-flavored techno, I though Joris Voorn's set at Movement was the best techno live PA I've seen in a very long time. Seems like most producers -- or at least most producers around here -- use a laptop simply as a means to DJ without the chance of trainwrecking. If it's billed as a Live PA the artist should actually be CREATING something, not just throwing someone else's loops into Ableton and sequencing everything a week before the show. wtf are they doing up there anyway, checking their email? - jobot - Original Message - From: Glenn McClements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:23 am Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigmout there for this type of performance? Richard Devine a few years ago in Glasgow. He rocked the entire place, you could see he was really getting into, which the crowd responded to. I've never seen anyone move a mouse with so much glee :) Conversely Plaid were on just before and looked utterly bored behind their laptops, which was a pretty dull experience for everyone, even though they had fantastic visuals. Glenn
Re: (313) Laptop performances
you're exactly right -- i'm completely agreed on his stage presence, and I thought that particular performance was stunning regardless. I've heard BMG do Ableton sets before and they've been good, but it usually seems like the same general formula. on +31/313 he played a lot of the familiar cuts, but it seemed like he was extending things out differently -- and Sal played off this *extremely* well. Hearing favorite Ectomorph cuts like Ritmo Siniestro with a sea of reverb-soaked vox line and a tiny bit of live clave over the top felt like hearing an entirely new creation. that was a set where the stage presence did not matter in the slightest -- my body and mind were so lost in the moment I wasn't even looking at the stage. and the way he extended out the first few bars of Adonis No Way Back... genius. - jobot - Original Message - From: robin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 3:58 am Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances it's interesting but a lot of laptop performers just don't have that flair that the best dj's (and live performers for that matter) have. an example of what i'm talking about is BMG's performance on the +31/313 stage at Movement. his music was amazing but you can tell he isn't a dj (which he freely admits in interviews). he doesn't have that presence on the stage/behind the 'decks'. i've seen loads of djs using turntables that don't have that flair either so i think tarring all laptop performers with the same brush is a little unfair. robin... On 24 Jun 2004, at 07:27, Simon Hindle wrote: So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard about laptop performances. By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're checking important email but really need to go to the toilet. What's the solution? Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigm out there for this type of performance? I liked Kraftwerk's minimal-movement-black-suits-and-plinths affair, but that sorta ties in with their aesthetic, and I heard Aphex Twin did a show where he just lay on the floor and twiddled with the laptop - no effort at all. That appeals to me in a twisted way but is somewhat gimmicky. I personally wonder if laptop performances are more suited to more artistic interpretations - ie having a gig in an office, with extras sat at desks with PCs as well, and only one of them is the musician. Stuff like that.
Re: (313) Laptop performances
I was at one of those Aphex Twin shows... he had people get in these gargantuan fluffy Care Bear costumes and bounce into each other on stage... and that was the entire show. he just laid down in the corner, had two tiny knob boxes with him and that's it. - jobot - Original Message - From: Simon Hindle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:27 am Subject: (313) Laptop performances So I've been having a bit of a discussion on a local messageboard aboutlaptop performances. By and large, they're really BORING. It looks like people are checking their email. Or, if they're bopping along, it looks like they're checking important email but really need to go to the toilet. What's the solution? Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigmout there for this type of performance? I liked Kraftwerk's minimal-movement-black-suits-and-plinths affair, but that sorta ties in with their aesthetic, and I heard Aphex Twin did a show where he just lay on the floor and twiddled with the laptop - no effort at all. That appeals to me in a twisted way but is somewhat gimmicky. I personally wonder if laptop performances are more suited to more artistic interpretations - ie having a gig in an office, with extras sat at desks with PCs as well, and only one of them is the musician. Stuff like that.
Re: (313) Shootings at the fireworks?
and the Metro Times wonders why Movement isn't financially successful. Earth to the city of Detroit: to attract tourism dollars, you have to provide a safe environment, easy transportation, and places for people to spend those dollars. Festival shootings, con-artist cabbies, shady hotels, and a shuttered downtown -- especially when there's 300,000 thirsty partygoers just across Jefferson -- do not provide an environment that many are willing to return to. Lineup announcement be damned; THIS is what people are concerned about when they consider travelling to Detroit. - jobot - Original Message - From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:38 am Subject: (313) Shootings at the fireworks? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting Anyone have more info on this? Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Laptop performances
I second this recommendation wholeheartedly -- amazing visuals and very powerful music. Not the type of thing I listen to much at home, but live they are excellent. Their drummer is also affiliated with the Br0klyn Beats collective, and releases unusually good experimento-electronic music under the aliases 1-Speed Bike and Bottleskup Flenkenkenmike. www.cstrecords.com/html/godspeed.html - www.discogs.com/artist/1-Speed_Bike - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:07 pm Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances for anyone who haven't seen God Speed You Black Emporer - I highly suggestseeing them they are one of the best examples of music and visuals coming together in a very concentrated/focused performance because the video/film creator and operator is considered a member of the band, the visuals are just as important as the music of course you don't need to have the visuals - you can listen to them on CD without them and you don't lose anything however, when they perform they bring it to a different level/plane of existence the music and visuals converge into one amazing, stunning, and awesome performance plus, the stage is usually shrouded in darkness so it's hard to see the performers unless you are rather close to the stage MEK Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] antis.com cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances 06/24/04 12:19 PM Just to clarify - the most important thing for me is the music, always. I hope I didn't suggest otherwise. But if I'm going to be on stage, in front of people, then I try to takeit into consideration that there is, by default, also a visual parameterto the experience that is an addition to what would be happening if the audience was listening at home. To focus on the visual entirely, at the expense of the music, would make me feel cheap. But to focus on the music entirely, at the expense of the visual, wouldmake me feel isolated and alone. I consider it my responsibility to provide SOMETHING more than a recreation of my recorded output. That being said, confession I'm actually pretty unsatisfied with my live performances. I don't consider myself a consummate laptop artist at all, and I get really freaked out when I feel like the audience isn'tgetting it. /confession So any advice I might have to offer on the matter should be taken with a grain of salt anyway. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gosh, is what we are talking about a sorta DJ vanity? Like, if somethingdoesn't *look* interesting it *isn't* interesting, no matter what it sounds like? I would not argue that the visual is totally unimportant, but personally I don't think it's the most important thing - unless that's the whole point you are there. Not everyone can pull off good visual art. I know some DJs who are very low key but SO amazing. Kinda like the way a cricket is a small bug and it can make this loud, wonderful noise - but if you go look at it, it ain't all that visually exciting (usually). Personally, if something sounds good I'll go look at it, but after that I'm too busy dancing to worry about looking unless it comes to me (like lights or video all around you). As long as the experience enjoyable for people (DJ included) does it really matter how you get there or do it? There's more to the experiencethan just what the peeps on the stage are doing ... Lisa
Re: (313) Laptop performances
agreed, Phoenecia is definitely the most boring of the lot to watch. still great music though... - j - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 1:16 pm Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances I dont know when i played a show wioth phonicia back in 2001 in torontothier stage show was BORING but thier music was AMAZING!!! they just sat there practically picking thier noses pushing buttons on thier akai samplers sitting in chairs but the music carried what they did so amzingingly well that its didnt matter what they were doing... On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I second the Richard Devine vote. Most of the core Schematic artists are laptoppy (?) and still manage to really get the audience involved. My personal favorite is Otto von Schirach -- his live show is nuts. Another group of great live laptop performers are the ZOD Records guys out of Wisconsin. Curtis Chip and Emotional Joystick are particularly good, and both incorporate other instruments. CC incorporates an old Sequential Circuits drum machine and some other vintage toys, while EJ does live organ along with the laptop glitch. see www.zodrecords.com -- I see they are doing some shows in the Netherlands in early July, you Euro 313ers should check it out. As far as more traditional Detroit-flavored techno, I though Joris Voorn's set at Movement was the best techno live PA I've seen in a very long time. Seems like most producers -- or at least most producers around here -- use a laptop simply as a means to DJ without the chance of trainwrecking. If it's billed as a Live PA the artist should actually be CREATING something, not just throwing someone else's loops into Ableton and sequencing everything a week before the show. wtf are they doing up there anyway, checking their email? - jobot - Original Message - From: Glenn McClements [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:23 am Subject: Re: (313) Laptop performances Name some laptop performances you've seen that were really good SHOWS. And say why they were. Is it really simply a case of having stellar visuals as well, or is there a whole new paradigmout there for this type of performance? Richard Devine a few years ago in Glasgow. He rocked the entire place, you could see he was really getting into, which the crowd responded to. I've never seen anyone move a mouse with so much glee :) Conversely Plaid were on just before and looked utterly bored behind their laptops, which was a pretty dull experience for everyone, even though they had fantastic visuals. Glenn -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
Re: (313) Shootings at the fireworks?
Alex, Just to clarify, I have never once felt threatened or feared for my life in Detroit. Almost everybody I've encountered there has been peaceful, interesting, and kind. I'm a firm believer that if you keep your head on straight and appear like you know what you're doing, you'll never have a problem wherever you are. You're correct, though -- these have been voiced to me by friends and acquaintances who have also been to the festival at one point or another. You're also correct that this environment is what led to techno's beginnings in the first place. The point I'm really trying to make is that I know many people who will not be back next year -- probably ever -- because of occurrences like this, and that's a shame. Especially because, as you said, things like this can (and do) happen anywhere. Also it's not just the crime, but the combination of this and other factors that taint many people's experiences. Our hotel reservations were not honored at the advertised price (beyond the city's control, I realize -- but I've heard hotel horror stories for the past 3 years running). We wandered around downtown on Monday for almost 2 hours just looking for an open place to get a cup of coffee. Friends reported cab drivers that tried to get a $25 surcharge just to take them from the Omni to the plaza. That's like 2 miles. And I don't think Detroit should be turned into some gentrified suburban yuppieland, either. I just think that some thought, effort, and money put into mitigating occurrences like this will reap far greater rewards in the long run than whether the lineup is out by April 1st or whether Ghostly gets a stage or not. just my $0.02 - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:22 pm Subject: Re: (313) Shootings at the fireworks? Jobot, While I agree with many of the points made in your post, no one to my knowledge, has been shot during the music festival. None of the people that I know from out of town (and I know my fair share from this list, etc) has ever voiced a concern about coming to Detroit because of fears that you are voicing. Hell, it would could if TT's could put a poll up to see if this stopped people from coming vs. being starved of information because of disorganization by insert beaten dead horse here. This violence and less than perfect surroundings that you say make people think twice about coming here is the formula for the synthesis of the techno music scene in Detroit and resulted in this festival happening here. I have always felt more threatened at the ethnic festivals that happen in Detroit that I ever have at the DEMF. I also once witnessed one of my good friends get robbed an beaten at one of these and we didn't even know it was him because of the amount of feet that were hitting his face into the pavement (he was walking half a block from us at the time and we were downtown taking pictures circa 1987). Is there a lot screwed up in Detroit? Hell yes! Are people going to stop coming because some idiot/psycho/moron decided to go on a shooting rampage on Jefferson over some glasses? Maybe. But maybe that same person will remember that this is the epitome of a random act. That could have happened anywhere. Just because it happened in Detroit people should stop coming here. That's the solution. With every person that comes here, the energy of the city changes. Forsaking a place that many outsiders had such good experiences and got to new/old friends from around the world is not the proper answer for the acts of a few individuals. It is a shame what happened. It's more of a shame that many will have your reaction to it. Peace, Alex and the Metro Times wonders why Movement isn't financially successful. Earth to the city of Detroit: to attract tourism dollars, you have to provide a safe environment, easy transportation, and places for people to spend those dollars. Festival shootings, con-artist cabbies, shady hotels, and a shuttered downtown -- especially when there's 300,000 thirsty partygoers just across Jefferson -- do not provide an environment that many are willing to return to. Lineup announcement be damned; THIS is what people are concerned about when they consider travelling to Detroit. - jobot - Original Message - From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:38 am Subject: (313) Shootings at the fireworks? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/ ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting Anyone have more info on this? Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
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...and I forgot to add that I, myself, would not continue the summer complete without a trip to the festival. - j - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:22 pm Subject: Re: (313) Shootings at the fireworks? Jobot, While I agree with many of the points made in your post, no one to my knowledge, has been shot during the music festival. None of the people that I know from out of town (and I know my fair share from this list, etc) has ever voiced a concern about coming to Detroit because of fears that you are voicing. Hell, it would could if TT's could put a poll up to see if this stopped people from coming vs. being starved of information because of disorganization by insert beaten dead horse here. This violence and less than perfect surroundings that you say make people think twice about coming here is the formula for the synthesis of the techno music scene in Detroit and resulted in this festival happening here. I have always felt more threatened at the ethnic festivals that happen in Detroit that I ever have at the DEMF. I also once witnessed one of my good friends get robbed an beaten at one of these and we didn't even know it was him because of the amount of feet that were hitting his face into the pavement (he was walking half a block from us at the time and we were downtown taking pictures circa 1987). Is there a lot screwed up in Detroit? Hell yes! Are people going to stop coming because some idiot/psycho/moron decided to go on a shooting rampage on Jefferson over some glasses? Maybe. But maybe that same person will remember that this is the epitome of a random act. That could have happened anywhere. Just because it happened in Detroit people should stop coming here. That's the solution. With every person that comes here, the energy of the city changes. Forsaking a place that many outsiders had such good experiences and got to new/old friends from around the world is not the proper answer for the acts of a few individuals. It is a shame what happened. It's more of a shame that many will have your reaction to it. Peace, Alex and the Metro Times wonders why Movement isn't financially successful. Earth to the city of Detroit: to attract tourism dollars, you have to provide a safe environment, easy transportation, and places for people to spend those dollars. Festival shootings, con-artist cabbies, shady hotels, and a shuttered downtown -- especially when there's 300,000 thirsty partygoers just across Jefferson -- do not provide an environment that many are willing to return to. Lineup announcement be damned; THIS is what people are concerned about when they consider travelling to Detroit. - jobot - Original Message - From: Dennis DeSantis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:38 am Subject: (313) Shootings at the fireworks? http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=519ncid=519e=3u=/ap/20040624/ ap_on_re_us/fireworks_shooting Anyone have more info on this? Terrible - I used to love going downtown for that when I was a kid. -- Dennis DeSantis www.dennisdesantis.com
Re: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May
Lineups like this make me wish I lived in Detroit. that reminds me, did anyone catch Raiders of the Lost Arp? - jobot - Original Message - From: Matt MacQueen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 10:57 pm Subject: (313) Suburban Knight, Orlando Voorn, Derrick May FRIDAY JUNE 25 OSLO 10pm-3am JAMES PENNINGTON aka The SUBURBAN KNIGHT (Underground Resistance) ORLANDO VOORN (Submerge Recordings, Transmat, Underground Resistance) --- this SATURDAY JUNE 26 OSLO 10pm-3am DERRICK MAY (Transmat) DIRECTIONS + INFO: http://www.soft-curls.com (313)963-0300 1456 woodward, between john r. grand river peace -- Matt MacQueen http://SonicSunset.com
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
exactly -- the old EBM stuff like 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly etc is what got me interested in electronic music in the first place. Feels like there is quite a resurgence of interest in this stuff lately, even amongst those whose closets contain colors other than black. Seems to correlate rather well with the resurgence of interest in Detroit techno and Chicago house classics lately -- roughly the same time frame, I believe someone referred to it as people's "primary earning years". all I can tell you is this stuff's still relevant -- Front 242 "Headhunter" into Polarius' retro-acid-ish"Ride the Chopper" will move *any* crowd... - bot - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:51 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? "headhunter" is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom-- Original Message -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400 Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys.Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...)Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again? Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his "Decks, efx909" mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debut album (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themes over and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better: Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper) Front 242 Front Line Assembly Foetus Depeche Mode SPK Test Dept. Throbbing Gristle Cabaret Voltaire 23 Skidoo A Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they all did it better and any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line "Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc." anymore I'm going to lose it. It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do they end up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
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I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing: 1) too much plain rock for my taste 2) too much really cheap trance/hard house 3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something) 4) they don't play ebm/industrial
you really hit that nail on the head. all I usually hear at the 'goth nights' is trance with dhk Germanic vocals over top, the occasional played out Lords of Acid record, and straight up trance.It just confuses me becausea lot of the "techno" (to those people anyway) out there seems like it fits the whole experimental-EBM history more. I don't understand why Legowelt, Terence Fixmer, older Anthony Rother, Drexciyaetc.hasn't caught on amongst this crowd. I really can't hear the spirit of supposedly 'goth' bands like Throbbing Gristle and Skinny Puppyoff stuff on Metropolis or Cleopatra. Some dude with a fake, generic European accent shout-crooning over amateur JP8000 riffs just doesn't do it for me.
- jobot
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From: Sakari Karipuro [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:43 am
Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh?
lisa wrote on Mon, 21 Jun 2004 about following:I guess it depends on your experience. If I never hear those two records (Headhunter, Join in the Chant) again it will be too soon. Not because they suck ('cos they are great tunes) - but they got so, SO overplayed around me. Even now I can go to any goth/industrial night in NJ/NYC/Philly and they are still playing that stuff. It's not nostalgic - it's annoying! :o Well, every generation of club-goers will see this happen; dj's bring back big hits from the past and the older crowd will probably think 'what he's doin, playin these old overplayed hits, duh' and the younger generation probably thinks (if they know the track) 'whoah, he's playing some classics, COOL'.
I don't go to goth/industrial clubs anymore because they are playing: 1) too much plain rock for my taste 2) too much really cheap trance/hard house 3) too much of that 'future-pop' (or something) 4) they don't play ebm/industrialsakke -- It's not reality that's important, but how you perceive things. http://www.arabuusimiehet.com/sakke/
Re: (313) 303 SUMMER was (313) plastikman....
acid is definitely making a comeback here in the Midwest. There are several DJs in Minnesota and Wisconsin playing it almost exclusively, Woody McBride isactually doing shows again (good ones even), and Terry Mullan and Hyperactive have both played in Minneapolis recently. speaking of Montreal, didn't Tiga just put out an acid record? I tried listening to it and it made my ears vomit... - jobot - Original Message - From: Neil Wiernik [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:24 am Subject: (313) 303 SUMMER was (313) plastikman this happened here (montreal, canada) last winter... lasted all of 5 mins (thank god) and disapeared back into where i belongs the early 90s retro bins... ;) On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Fabrizio Nahum wrote: on a side note: here in rome it seems like it will be a 303 summer, as acidis making a big comeback both st the record shop and the various summertechno events. Is this happening elsewhere as well?sorry, i meant to say: a HUGE comeback ;)) f. -- [neil adam wiernik aka naw] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [music available on] http://www.noisefactoryrecords.com http://www.pieheadrecords.com http://www.worthyrecords.com http://www.complot.ca [artist features] http://www.clevermusic.net http://www.newmusiccanada.com http://www.cognitionaudioworks.com --
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good very true. Nitzer Ebb is fun in the same way that something like LA Style "James Brown Is Dead"is -- a nonsensical time trip. It is not, was not, and never will be quality music -- but to me it's still fun. In moderation. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 12:17 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I totally agree - just wish that Nitzer Ebb wasn't getting the bulk of the attention. I think they are overrated at this point. they came rather late to the party (industrial dance had been going for at least five year by then) and didn't really have much to say imo they made some catchy electronic tunes that relied on militaristic sloganchanting but they had absolutely no substance I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good MEK [EMAIL PROTECTED] om To: 313@hyperreal.org cc: 06/22/04 11:45 AM Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? Please respond to jbartuski exactly -- the old EBM stuff like 242, Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assemblyetc is what got me interested in electronic music in the first place. Feels like there is quite a resurgence of interest in this stuff lately,even amongst those whose closets contain colors other than black. Seems to correlate rather well with the resurgence of interest in Detroit techno and Chicago house classics lately -- roughly the same time frame, I believesomeone referred to it as people's "primary earning years".all I can tell you is this stuff's still relevant -- Front 242 "Headhunter"into Polarius' retro-acid-ish "Ride the Chopper" will move *any* crowd...- bot - Original Message - From: "Thomas D. Cox, Jr." [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Monday, June 21, 2004 8:51 pmSubject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? "headhunter" is another dancefloor killer. you cant go wrong with those types of industrial tunes man. i guess not too many of you guys were down with that, but thats the music that made me realise that synths and drum machines were my friends. tom -- Original Message -- From: lisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2004 21:38:47 -0400 Yep, it's catchy all right. I remember when I was doing a weekly - all you had to do to pack the floor was play Front 242 - Headhunter followed by a Nitzer Ebb tune (one of the overplayed ones) and you'd have them acting all wild and crazy. Even the frat boys. Hearts Minds is still a super wicked tune, imho, and I was just playing it tonight after dinner before I logged in to see this thread on him. (bring in music from the Twilight Zone...) Lisa :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's with their sudden popularity again?Is it a result of Richie Hawtin throwing them into his "Decks, efx909"mix? They were riding the coat-tails of D.A.F. as far as I'm concerned. They're lyrics were sh!t, their beats were rudimentary, and their debutalbum (and those that followed) regurgitates the same elementary themesover and over. There were at least a handful of artists that were better:Meat Beat Manifesto (used Nitzer Ebb as toilet paper)Front 242Front Line AssemblyFoetusDepeche ModeSPKTest Dept.Throbbing GristleCabaret Voltaire23 SkidooA Certain Ratio and on and on. each of these bands could do what Nitzer Ebb was trying to do but they alldid it betterand any one of them make Nitzer Ebb look like a teenage boy band. If I hear that line "Lies lies etc guns guns etc fire fire etc." anymoreI'm going to lose it.It's a crap tune - it was a crap tune in 1987 - it's a crap tune now. So - can anyone explain why the popularity of Nitzer Ebb and why do theyend up in so many techno sets nowadays? MEK andythepooh.com
Re: (313) 303 SUMMER was (313) plastikman....
I don't remember, or care for that matter. :) some of the local folks a little off-base on my musical tastes. "Joe spins electro, he'll like this, i'll just put it in his hold bag..." - jobot - Original Message - From: matt kane's brain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:15 pm Subject: Re: (313) 303 SUMMER was (313) plastikman At 02:13 PM 6/22/2004, you wrote: speaking of Montreal, didn't Tiga just put out an acid record? I tried listening to it and it made my ears vomit... perhaps you are thinking of the remix he did for alexkid? come with me (tiga's aciddeathrave mix) or some such nonsense. -- unsigned short int to_yer_mama; http://www.mkb-dj.org Matthew Kane : Software Engineer : Zebra Atlantek, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
GET THIS! - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than Nitzer Ebb. John Acquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20 minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a silly song. It was silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt an industrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, as is pretty much everything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed to shouting)On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider that to be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playing something from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent, longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age' sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or 'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the only one that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within techno sets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn' that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me what this is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them to it except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 has them beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vague yet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along type lyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target or cause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calm the f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while still making me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about as interesting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums up Nitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down a pummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hooks on top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant (muscle) muscle, muscle, muscle fire, fire, fire join in the chant yeah, whatever. MEK "Martijn de Blaauw" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] chline.biz cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? 06/22/04 01:48 AM Please respond to martijn.de.blaauw Crap? don't think u can call their tunes crap...they where one of the very few electronical bands to come out of the UK and have a some reputation or respect within in the Electronic/EBM scene from back in the days. Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the 'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don't have to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
hey that's a good idea, I've got both records but have never tried them together. there's an excellent Terence Fixmer rmx of "Let Your Body Learn" on the flip of that Novamute record, plusI've got another N. Ebb 12" on Novamute with a Derrick May remix of "Shame"... - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 4:04 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? Actually, there is a wicked remix of "control i'm here" on novamute, by the Hacker, and it has the wicked vocals, and the original synth cut, but updated kick and improved bassline. Fun to play with that and the original... dense On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GET THIS! - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 1:45 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? I don't see Front 242 as being all that more obscure than NitzerEbb. JohnAcquaviva used to loop the bass line from Headhunter and play it for 20minutes underneath his unfortunately more progressive fare. Adn yeah- making fun of Join in the Chant is easy. Its a sillysong. Itwas silly when I first head it in highschool (and i was NOt anindustrialfan in highschool), but Control I'm Here is the jam, asis pretty mucheverything on Belief. Much more subtle and growling (as opposed toshouting) On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dj Hell is playing out Front 242 tunes, would u consider thatto be good thing then? Yes - very much so. It's good to hear someone is playingsomething from that era besides Nitzer Ebb they along with several other groups had a more consistent,longer, and less one-dimensional career Togehter with Front 242 and Frontline Assembly they were the'big names' of the Electronic Body Music scene back in the 80's. U don'thave to like thier tunes, the early ones from thier album 'That Total Age'sound like a pitched up version of DAF but try their album 'Belief' or'Showtime' and u wil hear a different band. I don't like 'That Total Age' but it does seem to be the onlyone that gets played in techno sets. I'd love to hear tunes off of their other records within technosets - but it doens't happen. it's always either 'Join in the Chant' or 'Let Your Body Learn'that I hear and yes, I do think they are crap tunes - explain to me whatthis is about beyond vague sloganeering. If they were trying to mock fascists then Laibach beat them toit except Laibach has a much better and more fleshed out idea and message. If they were trying to be angry but danceable then Front 242 hasthem beat there. I've never been a fan of bands/artists that have really vagueyet anthemic tunes - especially those that have big chanting sing-along typelyrics lots of rage (or feigned rage) but what is the target orcause? There's just nothing there. I just want them to light a joint and calmthe f*ck down - maybe think of something interesting to say while stillmaking me dance. However the lyrics in these two tunes are about asinteresting as Madonna's. I read a Amazon customer review that pretty much sums upNitzer's entire first album: NE's approach to things was pretty simple: lay down apummeling beat, shout military vocals and lay some simple yet catchy synth hookson top look at these lyrics: lies, lies, lies, lies gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns, guns, guns, guns fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant join in the chant muscle, muscle, muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire guns, guns, guns, guns gold, gold, gold, gold judge, judge, judge, judge fire, fire, fire muscle and hate muscle and hate muscle, muscle muscle and hate muscle and hate force is machine force is machine force is machine join in the chant force is machine join in the chant muscle, muscle lies, lies, lies, lies books, books, books, books burn, burn, burn, burn fire, fire, fire judge, judge, judge, judge gold, gold, gold, gold guns,
Re: (313) Nitzer Ebb....eh?
sorry, it's a webmail interface and there's no setting in the preferences to turn it off all the time... I'll try and remember to switch it manually when I reply to the list. - jobot - Original Message - From: Greg Earle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 5:22 pm Subject: Re: (313) Nitzer Ebbeh? On Jun 22, 2004, at 1:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P Pgt; I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of the era - just because I was BRgt; intothem when I was 16 doesn't mean that they were good /P Pvery true. Nitzer Ebb is fun in the same way that something like LA Style James Brown Is Dead is -- a nonsensical time trip. It is not, was not, and never will be quality music -- but to me it's still fun. /P And I refuse to buy into the nostalgia of HTML mail. *Flogs jbartuski with his Goth cat-o'-nine-tails 'til he turns it off* :) On Jun 22, 2004, at 2:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BODYP/P I think that bands like Cabaret Voltaire, Nitzer Ebb, Skinny Puppy, Throbbing Gristle / Chris Cosey, Front 242, MBM, et al, have just as much relevance as Kraftwerk, P-Funk, Prince, Laid Back, Liquid Liquid, Newcleus, Manuel Gottsching, etc.. in shaping the sound of current Detroit dance [and non-dance] music.. At some LA gig (Autechre? Scion? Don't remember ... ) during the pre-set music, they started playing Sharivari. I ran over to cEvin Key (from Skinny Puppy) and said Listen to this! It's the firstDetroit Techno record!!! and he listened for a bit and said, Wow.Really? This sounds like the Cabs. If it weren't for the magazines Freestylin' + Homebpy [a freestyle BMX / skate mag, edited by Andy Jenkins from Girl Skateboards, Mark Lewman, and Spike Jonze, which regularly listed albums they were listening to in the office], [...] .. I probably would have never had the inspiration to start making music on my own. anecdote Andy Jenkins was in a great LA Industrial band called Factory (yah, I know, poorly named) in the mid 80's. We tried to get them on the bill to support Skinny Puppy for their 1987 show upstairs at the Variety Arts Center (I still have the handbill with them listed as support), but through some promoter shenanigans, they got thrown off. Ob313: Speaking of Old Music, I just got the Made In Sheffield DVD. It's brilliant, but probably better discussed on little detroit :) - Greg (who'll see Skinny Puppy 4 times in the next 2 weeks. heh)
Re: (313) Whoo hooo!
awesome, I expect a fully annotated report. I've lived here close to 9 years and still haven't managed to catch Prince live. if it gets out early you should swing by Tabu -- www.bass-united.com/events.html - bot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, June 17, 2004 11:40 am Subject: (313) Whoo hooo! I co-worker (and now best friend) of mine just handed me two ticket's to Prince's sold out show for tonight!! full report tomorrow morning MEK
Re: (313) you listen to techno?
yes -- almost identical situation out here in Eden Prairie, a suburb of Minneapolis. just this morning I was forced to give the "Paul Oakenfold and Fatboy Slim are NOT techno" speech to a hapless co-worker... - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 7:24 am Subject: (313) you listen to techno? ...just started working with my current employer about a month ago. desk job, cubicle, plenty o' coffee. anyway, there's a fairly relaxed policy towards music in cubicles. as a result, i spend most of my 8hrs. with great house and techno pumpin' out of my little PC speakers. naturally, this being suburban america, i am the only commuter listening to the music of this list for about 60 miles in all directions. i get my fair share of raised eyebrows and cheeky comments from co-workers that are not familiar with my "weird bass music". i'm all alone in a sea of alarmist talk radio, and toby keith anthems. i'm just curious if any other list-members are immersed in a similar environment. cheers, lrh
Re: (313) Claude Young's set from Saturday (listen)
thanks for the streamlink. Claude had some pretty surprising things to say about our little city. http://www.claudeyoung.frequencyberlin.de/, click on "Gastebusch". can't remember if I've sent this link yet or not, but I was sick of having nothing to listen to at work, so a few months back I set up my own streaming audio station. It's pretty informal but it keeps me entertained for 9 hours a day... http://65.27.86.149:8000/listen.pls if anybody checks it out I'd be curious to know what you think. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2004 11:01 am Subject: (313) Claude Young's set from Saturday (listen) check it out in streaming audio http://24.123.112.19:8000/playlist.pls in reference to my review of the event - I never really gave enough props to the promoters for their work on this event they really are doing a fantastic, and difficult, job of trying to makeMinneapolis a more techno friendly city sadly, the first track of his set didn't get recorded but the Kraftwerkrework is in there wish it sounded this good in the club - jobot gave a fairly clear description of the sound quality in the club that club needs to get someone in there that knows how to EQ for technosince they are usually all hip-hop and rock bands. MEK
Re: RE: (313) Electric as a genre?
you know I'd hate to ask... - bot - Original Message - From: Gerald [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:15 pm Subject: RE: (313) Electric as a genre? -Original Message- From: Matt Hellige [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:22 AM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Electric as a genre? [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Even if you use a microphone then technically you're electric." Heck yeah! Jimi Hendrix was electric!! :D)) No - he was just really f*cking stoned What about friends then...? Are friends electric? Go ask Gary Numan! :P
Re: (313) ortofon cart question
the only thing different between these is the tip itself. the body of it isn't different from one model to the next. anyone know if this is true? while I'm not certain the bodies are exactly the same, the tips work fine when interchanged between various models. Be advised, however, that the very cheapest models don't have interchangable tips at all. I would use either the Nightclub or the DJ - the nightclubs are supposed to glow in the dark if I'm not mistaken either way remember that elliptical wear less on the record but sphericaltips track more accurately Ortofon's have both styles in either "E" or "S" models the DJ-S model (the blue one) has been very good to me, plus they come with an extra stylus. I'm only on my 2nd pair in three years, and they get used in the club fairly regularly. Ortofons in general arefairly gentle on the records -- especially when compared with scratch carts like the Shure M44-7 -- so for DJ use I would stick with the spherical styli. - jobot - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, June 11, 2004 4:27 pm Subject: Re: (313) ortofon cart question According to my local hi-fi stereo store (http://www.needledoctor.com/)that services turntables as one of their main businesses, and also assist DJs all the time in needle replacements the only thing different between these is the tip itself. the body of it isn't different from one model to the next. anyone know if this is true? if that's the case then I would advise you to buy the cheapest complete set and buy the most expensive replacement tips when time comes. I would use either the Nightclub or the DJ - the nightclubs are supposed to glow in the dark if I'm not mistaken either way remember that elliptical wear less on the record but sphericaltips track more accurately Ortofon's have both styles in either "E" or "S" models MEK "Rev. Jeffrey Paul" To: 313@hyperreal.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: et Subject: (313) ortofon cart question06/11/04 04:05 PMthis may be better directed to 313tk, but i figured some of you guys might know... i'm in the market for a new set of needles/carts and was looking at the ortofons. however, their website sucks and i'm not able to find any good reviews or product comparisons. pro, nightclub e, nightclub s, broadcast anyone have experience with more than one kind of these and can recommend one over another? Thanks, -j -- Rev. Jeffrey Paul -datavibe- [EMAIL PROTECTED] aim:x736e65616b pgp:0x15FA257E phone:8777483467 70E0 B896 D5F3 8BF4 4BEE 2CCF EF2F BA28 15FA 257E
