Re: [313] You can all worship me now...
On Fri, May 03, 2002 at 08:44:44AM -0400, scotto you know wrote: anyone know if this is streaming anywhere? try www.soulwax.com -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] archetype in japan / ele_worldwide
i'm sure this has been posted by someone, but here goes: charles noel will be playing live in japan the first weekend of may as a guest of fumuya tanaka. thank you tanaka-san for making this possible. info from: http://www.fumiyatanaka.com/party/index.html 05.03 fri 23:30 - osaka, japan - rockets chaos - presented by fumuya tanaka jpy4000 (w/flyer jpy3500) dj: fumiya tanaka / ricard villalobos / yoshiki live: archetype http://www.musicstuff-pro.com/rockets/top.html 05.03 sun 23:00 - tokyo, japan - liquid room chaos - presented by fumuya tanaka jpy4000 (w/flyer jpy3500) dj: fumiya tanaka, ricardo villalobos live: archetype http://www.liquidroom.net/schedule/0501_15.html# -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] dodgy Canton promoters
On Fri, Sep 07, 2001 at 01:32:43PM -0500, miss lauryn g wrote: the second coming was his second party. gotta love dumb ohio promoters. yeah, i hate those dumb ohioans ;) michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Live shows: Todd Sines
todd didnt do the vid for his set. iirc he brought in david tinapple of coumbus and david robert of san francisco. i can forward this to todd if you want more info... michael On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 04:23:19PM +, M Elliot-Knight wrote: Yeah Todd's set was very cool and the visual accompaniment was a soothing relief from the Bacardi logos. Anyone know what software he uses for his visual editing? Also, if anyone knows of other visual/video artists doing similar work I'd be interested in knowing about them. MEK From: Mxyzptlk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Fred Heutte [EMAIL PROTECTED],313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] Live shows Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 11:15:33 -0500 I'll see you on these and up the ante with a Todd Sines @ DEMF 2001. jeff : Tristan and a couple of others have mentioned live sets that also impressed me: Kooky Scientist at DEMF 2001 Bill Van Loo at DEMF 2000 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] Live shows: Todd Sines
i missed his set at polarity (sorry again, todd) but did you happen to catch charles noel's set as _the archetype_? good stuff..i also caught him and kevin ginger's after wedding party union in portland. i highly reccomend. if you have a chance to come to columbus tonight, rumor has it he's playing downtown at cafe brioso. i will be there for sure.. drop me a line for more info. michael ps. dono if todd is still on the list, but i will ask pps. both todd and charles have some awesome new materal coming out.. keep your eyes open for it! On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:46:08AM -0500, miss lauryn g wrote: Yeah Todd's set was very cool and the visual accompaniment was a soothing relief from the Bacardi logos. good lord, todd's set at polarity (columbus, ohio...july 21st this year if i remember correctly) was AMAZINGLY good. i would venture to say better than stewart walker's set even. :) really nice minimal but yet funky in all the right places. if you ever get a chance to hear him play live again, do so. i highly highly recommend it. clicky bleepy funk. :) yum. as far as the videoediting programs are concerned, i have no clue...he is on this list (i think) so i'm sure he will pop in to answer. :) and i bet he might even give you a link to some of his tracks and a live set that was recorded about a week before polarity. (i have the link at home and not here otherwise i'd give it to ya...heheh). good stuff. definitely. lauryn. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] More Todd Sines
actually i know he was working with live vocalists recently.. ... i belive that this was a result of one of those sessions michael On Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 02:01:02PM -0400, Grammenos, Peter wrote: The vocals on that track sound strangely familiar.. i'm pretty certain he took them of bodily functions. Dani Siciliano's ... Nice recylce todd ! -Pete -Original Message- From: M Elliot-Knight [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 1:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] More Todd Sines Since the festival this year was my first intro to Todd's art I am interested to know if these tracks were released on vinyl? The piece labeled I Can't from the below site is quite good. MEK From: miss lauryn g [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: [313] More Todd Sines Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:45:22 -0500 (EST) Some sounds from Todd Sines if you're jonzin' for it http://www.scalestudio.com/sound/ yes..that was the site i was talking about...i couldn't remember it off the top of my head...:P very good. love havin music to listen to pre-furthur drive...maybe i can burn a cd to listen to on the way. oh i love my job sometimes. heheheh. :) lauryn. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] freepess editorial address
a litte bird tells me that the freep is considering letters to the editor for publication. please send letters to the editor to the following address [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[313] [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ]
i'm sure many of you have gotten this, but here it is again. this is a nice list of people who need to hear about how you feel on the demf/pop culture media/carl craig situation. thanks to whoever put this together. i'm not a letter writer, but i manageed to squeak out a few nastygrams over this, and i found a few more to email from this list. let's remind these people that we exist! thanks, michael - Forwarded message from mad as_hell [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [166.90.246.58] From: mad as_hell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 17 May 2001 07:16:52 -0400 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2001 11:16:52.0422 (UTC) FILETIME=[DFAF8E60:01C0DEC2] if you are mad as hell about the current situation concerning the untimely firing of mr.carl craig from the demf, then tell someone below are some links to some of the people that should hear from you. please pass this on to someone else too. - planet e/ carl craig [EMAIL PROTECTED] - detroit city officials [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - ford focus contacts john jelinele [EMAIL PROTECTED] Miles Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - j walter thomson (the publicist behind ford focus) jim vander eyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] J. Justin Pharmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michele M. Brouillard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul Hallas [EMAIL PROTECTED] - pop culture media - carl marvin [EMAIL PROTECTED] - this is the local press links: wendy case - the detroit news [EMAIL PROTECTED] brian mccollum - the detroit free press [EMAIL PROTECTED] - metrotimes editors [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - metrotimes others [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - real detroit music editors [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - real detroit others [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - End forwarded message - -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] New Groovetech Website
On Fri, Mar 16, 2001 at 02:02:52AM -, M Elliot-Knight wrote: The new site is so nice. My order is already placed and should arrive on the 16th according to UPS. Now you can cross reference sort of like at Sonic Groove which is great for tracking down other stuff. Awesome website and store Alex. I plan on making more use of it from now on. my take on it is different... the look is ill, but the usability is impared with the new layout of the shopping pages. i like the new graphics and fonts, but wrt actually using the pages to shop, its not as clean and usable. where the previous search pages were tucked neatly at the sides, the new search box is at the top of the screen and takes up nearly 3-4 times as much space, and i have to scroll past the big search box every time i want to look at my results.please put the search box back at the side where it was :-p good luck, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] nu era
On Mon, Mar 05, 2001 at 06:20:28AM -0800, Nick Walsh wrote: --- Minto George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what else's new with the old ohio clan? todd, charles, 21/22 corp/mr. Ed Luna, where you guys at? Archetype has lots of stuff going on soon too... 21/22 is still on it. There was some stuff out recently i think charles is so underrated... his tracks are hard, but still funky enough to keep a dance floor moving... look for some sweet stuff comin out from charles on ongaku.. from what i've heard, it should be kickin' there. Todd Sines effort for Titonton TJ's Residual imprint could be forthcoming... Titonton is always todd has been making tracks lately, and what i've heard sounds good. hes always got too many projects goin, so it may be a minute, but expect to hear lots more from him in 2001. i dont see ed much at all, but i hear that he's been makin som trax himself... michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] Somewhere in detroit
On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 10:38:55AM +0100, Otto Koppius wrote: Stewart Caig wrote: I'm going to be in Detroit for the DEMF and wondered if any 313ers knoe what the possibility is of getting into the Somewhere in Detroit record store. I heard that its appointments only. what's the score? Last year they were open all day especially for DEMF, so they might do that again this year. But then again, they might do something completely else instead :) actually, monday morning of the demf the store was closed, but the submerge crew was serving brunch instead.. michael Otto -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
DEMF CHANGING NAME!!!!!
a pretty reliable source told me that the demf was going to be changing it's name to the temf.. troll electronic music festival... think about it... let's quit generating noise... michael On Mon, Feb 19, 2001 at 05:58:29PM -0500, darw_n wrote: who the hell is spreading these idiotic rumors??? First Chicago, now Europe???!?!?!?!? - Original Message - From: altair atomic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: [313] DEMF in Europe?!?! A pretty reliable source told me that the demf was going to be in europe this year. Could this be true?!?!? I mean I know that it is called the Detroit Electronic Music fest so why would they have it outside of -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] Archetype (was Help!!!)
also look for transfigure tfm-001 with 2 titonton tracks and 2 archetype tracks.. i also understand ongaku has a release upcoming which should be excellent based on what i have heard... michael On Wed, Feb 14, 2001 at 08:54:41AM +0800, Batory, Jason wrote: Was just about to say the same! Does anybody know of any new Archetype stuff due? The latest 21/22 Corporation 12 (Redshot by 1954) has an Archetype remix on it, if that counts as new stuff ;-) Respect JasonB - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] Vinyl Pressing and Mastering links
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:02:12AM -0500, dj revolver wrote: Someone last month sent a great link that had tons of info about mastering and vinyl pressing and duplication. i must have accidently deleted it. does anyone still have it? thanks for the help. http://www.aardvark-mastering.com/ also http://music.hyperreal.org/business/manufacturing.html steve _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: (nucleus) ELEVATE 12-22-00]
some of you may wish to see this. come on down to columbus and check it out on friday michael - Forwarded message from D D [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: D D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: (nucleus) ELEVATE 12-22-00 Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2000 21:36:50 -0500 ///ELEVATE--FRIDAY--12-22-00/// ///DAN BELL //Berlin. Detroit. Tresor. Seventh City. Accelerate. Peacefrog. / The man behind the anthemic Losing Control track makes a special Columbus appearance considering he now resides in Germany. With the huge success of his Button Down Mind of Daniel Bell mix CD on Tresor records out of Berlin, Dan relocated to the second techno city to support the huge following he has since established. He will only be in the US for a week making exclusive stops inToronto, Cleveland, and at Elevate before returning to Europe. Do not miss this rare appearance! ///JEFF SAMUEL //Cleveland. Seventh City. Background. Techtite. Headroom. Single. /Jeff is the newest recording artist on the Seventh City catalog (Dan Bell's label.) He's also one of Down Deep's favorite DJs. He plays everything from jack'n melodic techno to deep minimal house. As one of the main forces in the Ohio underground he is responsible for Athen's thursday night weekly Headroom and for being the man that blew it up at all the parties you went to and didn't know who you were seeing. Now you'll know. Check this guy out! ///BRADLEY SCOTT //Dayton. Headroom. ///Vince Blake //Columbus. Digital Society. Elevate. Admission: $5 from 10 - 11pm $7 from 11pm - 12am $9 after midnight Next Week: 12 - 29 - 00 (The Final Elevate) Dan Curtin Dig Doug Thomas James Derek Johnson Vince Blake Ninestar Tim Madonna Elevate is held every Friday at Club 504 located at 504 N. Park St downtown in the arena district. For more information/directions on/to Elevate call Club 504 @ 614/228/5020. Down Deep: 614/470/4916 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com - End forwarded message - -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] top 10 TECHNO djs international
On Fri, Dec 15, 2000 at 11:32:52AM -0800, nancy mitchell wrote: SORRY I have not been on here since 1996.. I just thought it would be cool to hear some new names to look out for and go check them out. Its about sharing right? Love of music and people who make it?? Sorry if I started and old argument. those who want, feel free to email me your private list :-) actually, what might be cooler is for you to give us your top 10 up and comeing japanese producers.. i have liked many of my recent japanese music purchaces. wird from columbus, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
Re: [313] about domain names
there is a long process the internet engineering task force (ietf.org) is involved in re: unicode/localized domain names.. underscores are still illegal for domain names..while you might be able to register one containing an underscore, it will probably be wasted money :-\ michael On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 09:39:34PM -0600, atomly wrote: On Thu, Dec 14, 2000 at 10:00:56PM -0800, darw_n wrote: I thought you couldn't use underscores, when I tried getting my site, they rejected the underscore... Underscores aren't allowed in domain names according to the original RFC, but I think some stupid registrars might allow it now, especially since they are planning to allow Unicode characters now. -- :: atomly :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atomly.com | http://www.mp3.com/atomly - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
John Tejada, Dan Curtin, Todd Sines and more in Columbus
some of y'all may want to catch this... michael - Forwarded message from D D [EMAIL PROTECTED] - From: D D [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 23:21:22 EST ***ELEVATE 11-10-00*** RESIDUAL RECORDINGS 2 YEAR ANNIVERARY!!! Residual Recordings was started in 1998 by Thomas James and Titonton Duvante to bring forth the musical and emotional side of electronica; searching and capturing the sounds of depth and diversity as well as originality and meaning. Since then they have released music by Chicago house producer, Boo Williams, Tech-house Master Dan Curtin, Fabrice Lig from Belgium, LA native John Tejada, Todd Sines and Titonton himself. This evening will be a night of all Residual artists celebrating over two years of successfully releasing dope electronic music! Performing this evening: John Tejada Residual/Palette/Los Angeles/ This man has received world wide respect for his unique style of deep melodic techno/hip hop. He has released music on Seventh City (Dan Bell's label) in Detroit, Ferox Records in England, Immigrant Records, as well as managing his own label Palette. He has also been featured in magazines such as URB, XLR8R, and MIXMAG. Check out his Selling Memories EP on Residual Recordings. Dan Curtin Cleveland/Metamorphic/Residual/ Dan is by far one of our favorite DJs. He's always guaranteed to drop the funky tracks that you've never heard before. Dan has largely influenced the global electronic underground with his own brand of melodic/quirky/tech-house//jazz.Check out his Insound EP recorded as Purveyors of Fine Funk out now on Residual Recordings. Todd Sines Peacefrog/Background/Residual/ Live PA Titonton Duvante Residual/Seventh City/Metamorphic/ Thomas James Residual/Elevate/ Admission: $5 Before 11 PM $7 Before Midnight, $10 After Elevate is held every friday at club 504 located at 504 N. Park St. in downtown Columbus' arena district. For more information/directions call Club 504 at (614) 228-5020 or down deep at (614) 470 4916. Next Week: 11-17-00 Special event - Elevate will not be held this friday. Following Week 11-24-00 Phantom 45 (Chicago) Aria + L. Black Ninestar Derek Johnson _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com. - End forwarded message - -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
stewart walker
On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 08:52:29AM -0700, tristan watkins wrote: Best Sets I've Seen: 4. Stewart Walker (not properly a DJ, but your feet can't tell the difference) he came to columbus ohio this may for one of our firexit shows with kit clayton. just AMAZING.. it was on a monday night and the crowd was small, but tight, and we all danced our asses off until 4a... if he comes to your town, GO SEE HIM.. michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
416/313/614
On Thu, Jul 27, 2000 at 10:43:43AM -0400, dcooper wrote: Mud props to E. Luna and the ele_mental collective for being one of the most under appreciated crews in the world and still keeping it going. werd to the toronna and de de de detroit heads for comin' to the last e-vent thanx... P.S. birthday shout to future music legend Archetype everybody should check his new LP on Black Nation titled myths rituals is he related to that monotype dude? michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
neu wreckerdz
On Mon, Jun 26, 2000 at 12:44:26PM -0700, Matt Corwine wrote: ob313: Recloose's Can't Take It knocked my ass flat, as did the new Agent X. I'll have some of what they're having down at PE HQ. all i have to say to that is awww hellz yih... bought at demf, and i still cant get over it... oof also john tejada's significant numbers on 7th city, roman flugel tracks on delivery on ongaku, and a big up to 614's own charles noel a.k.a. archetype for his black nation doublepak myths and rituals hittin the stores... it was well worth the wait.. m -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org Wir fahr'n fahr'n fahr'n auf der Autobahn
trolls
313'ers lately i've seen a bunch of nasty green (jealous) creatures on 313 a.k.a Trolls... these jealous little folk see something nice that is not in their realm of understanding and they want to go trash it. now we can play their games, or we can start hitting the delete key. i'm choosing the latter. i am using unix, so i have many tools useful for filtering mail, but IIRC MS Outlook, Netscape Communicator, and Eudora Pro all have the ability to filter mail. if you have this ability, filter. if you can't, then hit the delete key. there is too much cool shit on this list for it to be spoiled by one or two people. i understand the desire to educate people about music, but trolls aren't here to be educated. they're here to get attention. don't give it to them. peace, michael -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org People forget the meaning of the word independent. They want to be different but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve some kind of quality. If I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa. -- Tom Ellard
Re: [313] one more day
On Sun, Jun 11, 2000 at 12:11:19PM +0900, Cyclone Wehner wrote: Second.with the obvious exception of Dan, I don't know if anyone here has written anything about the music be it non-fiction, fiction, poetry, etc. I've been thinking about writing some academic stuff as well as some fiction.is there interest in having a website that encompasses writing and art about techno from the 313 crowd? some articles and interviews can be found at: http://www.ele-mental.org/ele_ment/ -- e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c: +1.614.260.6716 u: www.ele-mental.org People forget the meaning of the word independent. They want to be different but be accepted. Forget it. I just want to achieve some kind of quality. If I sell 2 copies of a CD I've outsold the Mona Lisa. -- Tom Ellard
