Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)
Look, we need to put all this selling promos stuff into perspective here. The techno music business is such that its a good thing that the record is in circulation and not, god forbid, thrown away or hidden in someone's collection, not getting any needle time. At least its out there for people who want it. If the guy is selling the record on ebay, how much money can he really make off it? A couple bucks? Ok, ten bucks at the most, for a record that is about to be released which according to the guy, had purchased it himself. Its called a free country, its called a free market. Besides you NEVER include promos in your overall sales. Its an expense labels have to pay to get their music out to the audience 'free of charge' and not to mention, when given away it becomes the property of whoever it is given to and they can do as they please with it. If you don't want people to sell your promos, then don't make promos. This is one of the things that bugs me about Detroit/or techno people. Its not a million dollars at stake here. Take a chill pill. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With all due respect, I was merely trying to put the record in the hands of someone that would really get some use out of it by playing it out. AND make some extra money for yourself at the same time! Chances are that anyone who would have picked it up in the store would have wanted it for themselves anyway (not to sell and make extra money). Sh*t, at least publish a review of it before selling it - that way you give back *something* to the company who's toes your stepping on. Sorry if I offended you by trying to put your record in the hands of someone that would play it-- its what I do for a living. So, you consider yourself a distributor? MEK Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org, Puzzlebox Records three.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 01/13/02 10:59 AMSubject: RE: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) I knew when I saw it in the store that there were lots of people on the 313 list that would love to get their hands on a copy, and I, myself, would not play the piece. So I *BOUGHT* it, because, in the almost four years that Ive been selling records here in Detroit, I have not ONCE received a white label from Puzzlebox. On the other hand, labels and artists that DO personally give me promo white labels, like Mike Grant, KDJ, Plus 8/ M-nus, and Planet-E, I do keep in my personal collection, and would not think of auctioning them off. Sorry if I offended you by trying to put your record in the hands of someone that would play it-- its what I do for a living. Matthew -Original Message- From: Puzzlebox Records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:55 AM To: innercity records; 313 Subject: Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) And They Claim to have love for the music. We at Puzzlebox probably gave him the white label before its released in a few weeks and this is the love we get. Puzzlebox Records All things will come to pass Thanks for the real support InnercityRecords and the real 313 'rs innercity records wrote: scandalous. - Original Message - From: Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) ebay item #1501390504 A Number of Names - 'Shari Vari' (2x12) PBX-6 WHITE LABEL (Original and Remixes) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1501390504r=0t=0s h owTutorial=0ed=1011419608indexURL=0rd=1 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:
Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)
R.Y.Fixer wrote: what bugs you so much? I just told you what bugs me: people making a big thing out of a mole hill, it doesn't matter what the deal is. Plus I think I have a right to say what I feel, just like the next person. I love techno and I am a collector too and I never sell anything I get but if the next person wants to then they have the right to. The most you can expect as a label is to have the record out there circulating. Do you constantly get harassed by Detroit/or techno people for selling the promos they gave you? As a matter of fact, I'm not on anyone's promo list. Nor would I care to be. Do you have to fight your way thru hit squads of Detroit/or techno people who are checking all record bags for illegally sold promos? Nope, read above. If so many things bug you about Detroit/or techno people, as you seem to imply, why are you here, right in the middle of us, opening yourself up to so much more bugging? Like I said even though I have pet peeves doesn't mean I don't have a love or passion for techno. Been lovin' it for a long ass time too. But that's not even the point. All I'm saying is people have a right to do whatever they want with what's theirs. No need to put more into what I already said so plainly. Peace. On Tue, 2002-01-15 at 00:04, phono_funk wrote: This is one of the things that bugs me about Detroit/or techno people. Its not a million dollars at stake here. Take a chill pill. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)
Very true, but you're refering to the big time music business there. They allocate more copies for promos than the techno labels so they may feel tthe need to keep account of them sent out as promos. On the other hand, since we see em' in the store bins, it show us how much they really care at the end of the day. I figure the reason they put that stamp on there to insure the stations would play them and not sell them. Perhaps techno labels need to start putting that same stamp on their promos and it makes more sense because of smaller budgets. mkb wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002, phono_funk wrote: not to mention, when given away it becomes the property of whoever it is given to and they can do as they please with it. If you don't want people to sell your promos, then don't make promos. Not that it makes a real world difference, but nearly all the promos we get at my radio station say this promotional copy is the property of the record company and must be returned upon request. But I frequently find the duplicates in the record store's used bin. :) -- Cafard, [EMAIL PROTECTED] qu'est-ce que tu penses? AIM:pr0j2501 Matt Kane's Brain http://mkb.n3.net ===jive turkey http://jive-turkey.n3.net=== - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label)
No flame here cause that's what I'm squawkin'. Actually, I can't even see the problem with the store selling it because if it sold, the retailers may decide to stock it, especially before its due out. Perhaps retailers do that to see if there's a demand. Running a label myself, all I hope for by the time promos copies end up in stores or is sold by individuals in which ever way they do, is that the promos themselves have resulted in sales, write ups, forged and fortified beneficial business relationships, and air/dj play, and they have. That in itself justifies the expense and it beats them sitting on your living room floor gathering dust. My 2 cents, --Shameless Tom Robbins/Tom Magic Feet wrote: Try as I might, I can't see the problem here. The guy's paid for the record, so it's his to do with as he likes: sell, give away, review, use as frisbee, whatever. He could snap it over his knee if he felt like it, that's his right. Loads of people buy and sell records for a living, that's part of the scene, just as it it is in all other musical genres. In fact, they provide a real valued service to collectors. Someone somewhere will buy this from him and be glad of it, and if they do pay more than the shop price (which can vary wildly from store to store anyway) no-one will have twisted their arm and they will probably consider it worth it anyway in order to get a promo copy of a major release. Finally, it's not like he's stopping anyone else owning it - anyone who wants it will have the opportunity to buy it upon its official release. If someone IS at fault here then maybe it's the store Matthew bought his white from. Did they pay for their promo? My understanding is that some distributors/labels charge shops for promos, some don't. If they didn't, then they are the ones making a dodgy profit (and even then I wouldn't knock 'em for it, it's hard enought to make a living selling this music and to a large extent they - the shops - are the ones keeping it alive and viable). If they did, then surely everyone - label/artist, distributor, shop, customer - got their piece of the pie? And it ain't often that happens. Fact: pretty much every DJ, journo etc out there sells on their unwanted promos, 99% of which will have been unsolicited anyway. It's part of the biz. That's all. Flame on. TOM With all due respect, I was merely trying to put the record in the hands of someone that would really get some use out of it by playing it out. AND make some extra money for yourself at the same time! Chances are that anyone who would have picked it up in the store would have wanted it for themselves anyway (not to sell and make extra money). Sh*t, at least publish a review of it before selling it - that way you give back *something* to the company who's toes your stepping on. Sorry if I offended you by trying to put your record in the hands of someone that would play it-- its what I do for a living. So, you consider yourself a distributor? MEK Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 313 313@hyperreal.org, Puzzlebox Records three.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: 01/13/02 10:59 AMSubject: RE: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) I knew when I saw it in the store that there were lots of people on the 313 list that would love to get their hands on a copy, and I, myself, would not play the piece. So I *BOUGHT* it, because, in the almost four years that Ive been selling records here in Detroit, I have not ONCE received a white label from Puzzlebox. On the other hand, labels and artists that DO personally give me promo white labels, like Mike Grant, KDJ, Plus 8/ M-nus, and Planet-E, I do keep in my personal collection, and would not think of auctioning them off. Sorry if I offended you by trying to put your record in the hands of someone that would play it-- its what I do for a living. Matthew -Original Message- From: Puzzlebox Records [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:55 AM To: innercity records; 313 Subject: Re: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) And They Claim to have love for the music. We at Puzzlebox probably gave him the white label before its released in a few weeks and this is the love we get. Puzzlebox Records All things will come to pass Thanks for the real support InnercityRecords and the real 313 'rs innercity records wrote: scandalous. - Original Message - From: Matthew Mangold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 313 313@hyperreal.org Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 6:17 AM Subject: [313] FA: ebay spam (Shari Vari 2x12 White Label) ebay item #1501390504 A Number of Names - 'Shari Vari' (2x12) PBX-6 WHITE LABEL (Original and Remixes) http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=1501390504r=0t=0s h
[313][Fwd: DJ T-1000 in NYC]
For the 313 NYCer's...and from the way Alan's appearance at Motor this past Friday turned out...its a can't miss! ph0n0funk Original Message From: - Mon Nov 26 14:41:36 2001 X-UIDL: u03ph2.2fk.37tiu21.1 X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 X-Mozilla-Status2: Status: U Return-Path: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from imo-m03.mx.aol.com ([64.12.136.6]) by robin (EarthLink SMTP Server) with ESMTP id u03ph2.2fk.37tiu21 Sun, 25 Nov 2001 22:50:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from [EMAIL PROTECTED] by imo-m03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v31_r1.9.) id m.b9.1752c1df (4397); Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:49:32 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2001 01:49:32 EST Subject: DJ T-1000 in NYC MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en To: undisclosed-recipients:; X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Mac sub 28 Just a quick note to let you know that Alan Oldham aka DJ T-1000 (Pure Sonik Records Detroit) will be making a rare NYC DJ appearance on Monday Dec. 10th at Christian Smith's world-famous Tronic Treatment night at Guernica, 25 Avenue B, New York City fresh from appearances in Universal Island in Spain, Sonar in Malta and Motor in Detroit so prepare to get rocked. It's free, so no excuses ! Hope to see you there ! Click Here for more info: Digital City: New York - Bars Clubs - Guerni… http://home.digitalcity.com/newyork/bars/venue.adp?vid=70258 or www.puresonikrecords.net http://www.puresonikrecords.net/enter.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
