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Looks also hes drunk tooo much ! I dont like the way he fades the tracks... -- Benoît. Ben Britz a écrit : thought the cd was good, though awfully similar to the hawtin live sets i've heard recently. kinda feel like i have about 5 copies of the same set i dont know why he included that timewarp footage on the dvd; it looks terribly boring On 12/2/05, Benoît Pueyo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree. Though the "boring" aspect can be perceptible at some times, it is just due to the fact some of the records are played for a very long time while other are just short glimpses. But eh, thats the concept. Damn the first 20 minutes of the mix were previewed at Sonar on a really grat sounding 5.1 system and they still sound to me the best part of the mix Lot of groove IMO. And this Detroit Grand Pubah tracks oh damn i could dance on it for hours ! The end of the mix is more classic and "trendy" but it becomes interesting with this Carl Craig track... Too bad it ends at that time on the CD, coz the DVD mix end very very well with a typical 313 atmosphere IMO. So,what i like is not the concept or the track selection (im not a huge fan of minimal) but the structure and the groove. Too bad its present only in some parts of the mix, that also miss some real peaktime (it could actually be the beginning eh !!) -- Benoît. Martin Dust a écrit : I'm going to have to disagree, the album has plenty of cold machine soul and he does keep it interesting, it may not be a giant leap but it fits well with his work. It's a great package for 9.99 and I really like the 12" as well, so there :) m On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:36, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming pile of shxt too. Imagine that. KKS
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thought the cd was good, though awfully similar to the hawtin live sets i've heard recently. kinda feel like i have about 5 copies of the same set i dont know why he included that timewarp footage on the dvd; it looks terribly boring On 12/2/05, Benoît Pueyo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree. Though the "boring" aspect can be perceptible at some times, it > is just due to the fact some of the records are played for a very long > time while other are just short glimpses. But eh, thats the concept. > > Damn the first 20 minutes of the mix were previewed at Sonar on a really > grat sounding 5.1 system and they still sound to me the best part of the > mix Lot of groove IMO. > > And this Detroit Grand Pubah tracks oh damn i could dance on it for > hours ! > > The end of the mix is more classic and "trendy" but it becomes > interesting with this Carl Craig track... Too bad it ends at that time > on the CD, coz the DVD mix end very very well with a typical 313 > atmosphere IMO. > > So,what i like is not the concept or the track selection (im not a huge > fan of minimal) but the structure and the groove. Too bad its present > only in some parts of the mix, that also miss some real peaktime (it > could actually be the beginning eh !!) > > -- > Benoît. > > Martin Dust a écrit : > > I'm going to have to disagree, the album has plenty of cold machine soul > > and he does keep it interesting, it may not be a giant leap but it fits > > well with his work. It's a great package for 9.99 and I really like the > > 12" as well, so there :) > > > > m > > > > > > On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:36, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: > > > >> Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just > >> an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping > >> helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming > >> pile of shxt too. Imagine that. > >> > >> KKS > >> > > > > > > > > >
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I agree. Though the "boring" aspect can be perceptible at some times, it is just due to the fact some of the records are played for a very long time while other are just short glimpses. But eh, thats the concept. Damn the first 20 minutes of the mix were previewed at Sonar on a really grat sounding 5.1 system and they still sound to me the best part of the mix Lot of groove IMO. And this Detroit Grand Pubah tracks oh damn i could dance on it for hours ! The end of the mix is more classic and "trendy" but it becomes interesting with this Carl Craig track... Too bad it ends at that time on the CD, coz the DVD mix end very very well with a typical 313 atmosphere IMO. So,what i like is not the concept or the track selection (im not a huge fan of minimal) but the structure and the groove. Too bad its present only in some parts of the mix, that also miss some real peaktime (it could actually be the beginning eh !!) -- Benoît. Martin Dust a écrit : I'm going to have to disagree, the album has plenty of cold machine soul and he does keep it interesting, it may not be a giant leap but it fits well with his work. It's a great package for 9.99 and I really like the 12" as well, so there :) m On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:36, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming pile of shxt too. Imagine that. KKS
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I don't mind it really - I like the concept, and the total package is great given the price. My actual favourite bit is the DVD footage of him playing at the festival in germany at stupid o'clock in the morning. The visuals are mind-meltingly good and the music is lots of fun. The main mix itself is pretty nifty from a cerebral point of view, and is nice to listen to. I haven't checked it out in 5:1 yet which I'm keen to do. It's the first piece of non-vinyl music I've bought in a lng time, and I don't regret making the purchase. On the vinyl tip btw, has anyone else gotten into the new claro intelecto? I've ordered it and it sounds great. Picadilly have it listed in their picks this week. Really good deep tech. >>> Martin Dust <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12/03/05 2:47 AM >>> I'm going to have to disagree, the album has plenty of cold machine soul and he does keep it interesting, it may not be a giant leap but it fits well with his work. It's a great package for 9.99 and I really like the 12" as well, so there :) m On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:36, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: > Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just > an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping > helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming > pile of shxt too. Imagine that. > > KKS >
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I'm going to have to disagree, the album has plenty of cold machine soul and he does keep it interesting, it may not be a giant leap but it fits well with his work. It's a great package for 9.99 and I really like the 12" as well, so there :) m On 2 Dec 2005, at 15:36, Stoddard, Kamal wrote: Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming pile of shxt too. Imagine that. KKS
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Only marginally interesting in concept. Aurally it sucks. No soul. Just an abundance of ponderance with a dash of psychedelics and a heaping helping of ego. That sounds suspiciously like the recipe for a steaming pile of shxt too. Imagine that. KKS Oh yeah...just my opinion...heh -Original Message- From: Blaauw, Martijn de [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 9:27 AM To: Derek Plaslaiko. Cc: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DE9 Transitions Actually it's pretty quiet up here -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 15:24 Aan: Blaauw, Martijn de CC: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) DE9 Transitions On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: > Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? > Only that Im glad Im swamped at work and wont be able to see the sh*tstorm that youre unintentionally creating unfold. HAVE A GREAT DAY ON 313 EVERYONE! derek.
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Has your bottle popped Mo? m Only that Im glad Im swamped at work and wont be able to see the sh*tstorm that youre unintentionally creating unfold. HAVE A GREAT DAY ON 313 EVERYONE! derek.
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Actually it's pretty quiet up here -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Derek Plaslaiko. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 15:24 Aan: Blaauw, Martijn de CC: 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: Re: (313) DE9 Transitions On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: > Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? > Only that Im glad Im swamped at work and wont be able to see the sh*tstorm that youre unintentionally creating unfold. HAVE A GREAT DAY ON 313 EVERYONE! derek.
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Agreed 100%. The mix is pretty blah to me. But minimal techno is trendy now, I hear. Seriously, what's the difference between this mix and someone's own production? All of the sounds are so decontextualized that unless you have all the source material and know it inside out, there's nothing to grab on to, to think that it's a DJ mix. The concept is fabulous, and when someone can apply it to hook-oriented music to make the ultimate mashup, then we can talk. -Gil -Original Message- From: Blaauw, Martijn de [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 8:12 AM To: Nik Stoltzman; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) DE9 Transitions As said, i respect the man for taking things further and trying things new, i mean the mix is good, no doubts about that. But i do find a it bit to much fabricated, everything has been put togheter so carefully and so thought of that it doesn't sound spontaneous anymore. Dunno what it sounds like when he plays this stuff out live..haven't heard hem recently. But hey, that's great about music..it sounds and means different to everybody and that's great! Martijn
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On Fri, 2 Dec 2005, Blaauw, Martijn de wrote: Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? Only that Im glad Im swamped at work and wont be able to see the sh*tstorm that youre unintentionally creating unfold. HAVE A GREAT DAY ON 313 EVERYONE! derek.
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Original Message > From: "Nik Stoltzman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 02 December 2005 13:03 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <313@hyperreal.org > Subject: RE: (313) DE9 Transitions > > The X-Mix huh? I dunno - my fave mix has always been the Mixmag Live CD. > Quality from start to finish. I thought the X-Mix came after the Mixmag CD, but I'm probably wrong. Never had the Mixmag one but have liked it when I've heard it. > I think > the main issue for me is that I feel Hawtin has been substituting > techniques for soul for a long time I agree 100%, but for some reason I didn't have the same feeling on my first listen to the DVD. I should really hear it again. > You can have too much of a good thing. Moderation is the key. What was that comment on Musik? 'Just because you like chocolate cake doesn't mean you eat it every day' or something? Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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As said, i respect the man for taking things further and trying things new, i mean the mix is good, no doubts about that. But i do find a it bit to much fabricated, everything has been put togheter so carefully and so thought of that it doesn't sound spontaneous anymore. Dunno what it sounds like when he plays this stuff out live..haven't heard hem recently. But hey, that's great about music..it sounds and means different to everybody and that's great! Martijn -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Nik Stoltzman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: vrijdag 2 december 2005 14:02 Aan: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Blaauw, Martijn de ; 313@hyperreal.org Onderwerp: RE: (313) DE9 Transitions The X-Mix huh? I dunno - my fave mix has always been the Mixmag Live CD. Quality from start to finish. I prefer the Transitions mix to 'Closer To The Edit' - I always felt that the concept of DE9:CE was stronger than the final product with that one. I also think the DVD mix is better than the CD. However, I think the main issue for me is that I feel Hawtin has been substituting techniques for soul for a long time - this is just my opinion and I am not dissing him at all. For me, I prefer a more raw energy than something that feels like it is the carefully-considered execution of some pre-existing blueprints. The clicks, ticks, beeps and creeps have their place and can generate their own funk - but I'm probably more inclined to side with Martijn here. You can have too much of a good thing. Moderation is the key. N -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2005 12:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: re: (313) DE9 Transitions Original Message > From: "Blaauw, Martijn de " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 02 December 2005 12:36 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) DE9 Transitions > > I gave this new mixalbum by R. Hawtin a few good listenings over the > past few days and i do not know what to think of it. He did a great > job in cutting, pasting, mixing, morphing and restructuring all the > trakcs and putting them togeheter again But i cannot get rid of the > feeling that it all sounds a bit dull and sometimes boring...i mean it > just goes on and on in the same Tempo, and there's clicks, hicks and > ticks everywhere but i do miss some > peakpoint stuff...As said, great job in what he did > and the way it's been put together but some more action would have made > it more exciting for me. > > Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? Did you hear the CD or the DVD? The end of the DVD has some very nice finishing bits, which may tie things together for you better??? I've only heard/seen it once so far, and not all of it at that, but I definitely thought it was the best of the three (I've never really had time for the other two). I'd probably have to hear it again to say if I thought it sounded flat overall, but on my first listen, I didn't have that impression, and it's *precisely* what I would listen for, as I thought that was precisely the downfall of the previous two. I was actually quite impressed! Best recorded Richie Hawtin mix since X-Mix 3 if ya ask me. I also thought his track selection was a lot more interesting than the previous ones. That's a whole lotta K Alexi. :) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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The X-Mix huh? I dunno - my fave mix has always been the Mixmag Live CD. Quality from start to finish. I prefer the Transitions mix to 'Closer To The Edit' - I always felt that the concept of DE9:CE was stronger than the final product with that one. I also think the DVD mix is better than the CD. However, I think the main issue for me is that I feel Hawtin has been substituting techniques for soul for a long time - this is just my opinion and I am not dissing him at all. For me, I prefer a more raw energy than something that feels like it is the carefully-considered execution of some pre-existing blueprints. The clicks, ticks, beeps and creeps have their place and can generate their own funk - but I'm probably more inclined to side with Martijn here. You can have too much of a good thing. Moderation is the key. N -Original Message- From: Tristan Watkins [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 December 2005 12:46 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: re: (313) DE9 Transitions Original Message > From: "Blaauw, Martijn de " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 02 December 2005 12:36 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) DE9 Transitions > > I gave this new mixalbum by R. Hawtin a few good listenings over the > past few days and i do not know what to think of it. > He did a great job in cutting, pasting, mixing, morphing and > restructuring all the trakcs and putting them togeheter again > But i cannot get rid of the feeling that it all sounds a bit dull and > sometimes boring...i mean it just goes on and on in the same > Tempo, and there's clicks, hicks and ticks everywhere but i do miss some > peakpoint stuff...As said, great job in what he did > and the way it's been put together but some more action would have made > it more exciting for me. > > Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? Did you hear the CD or the DVD? The end of the DVD has some very nice finishing bits, which may tie things together for you better??? I've only heard/seen it once so far, and not all of it at that, but I definitely thought it was the best of the three (I've never really had time for the other two). I'd probably have to hear it again to say if I thought it sounded flat overall, but on my first listen, I didn't have that impression, and it's *precisely* what I would listen for, as I thought that was precisely the downfall of the previous two. I was actually quite impressed! Best recorded Richie Hawtin mix since X-Mix 3 if ya ask me. I also thought his track selection was a lot more interesting than the previous ones. That's a whole lotta K Alexi. :) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Original Message > From: "Blaauw, Martijn de " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: 02 December 2005 12:36 > To: 313@hyperreal.org > Subject: (313) DE9 Transitions > > I gave this new mixalbum by R. Hawtin a few good listenings over the > past few days and i do not know what to think of it. > He did a great job in cutting, pasting, mixing, morphing and > restructuring all the trakcs and putting them togeheter again > But i cannot get rid of the feeling that it all sounds a bit dull and > sometimes boring...i mean it just goes on and on in the same > Tempo, and there's clicks, hicks and ticks everywhere but i do miss some > peakpoint stuff...As said, great job in what he did > and the way it's been put together but some more action would have made > it more exciting for me. > > Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? Did you hear the CD or the DVD? The end of the DVD has some very nice finishing bits, which may tie things together for you better??? I've only heard/seen it once so far, and not all of it at that, but I definitely thought it was the best of the three (I've never really had time for the other two). I'd probably have to hear it again to say if I thought it sounded flat overall, but on my first listen, I didn't have that impression, and it's *precisely* what I would listen for, as I thought that was precisely the downfall of the previous two. I was actually quite impressed! Best recorded Richie Hawtin mix since X-Mix 3 if ya ask me. I also thought his track selection was a lot more interesting than the previous ones. That's a whole lotta K Alexi. :) Tristan === [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phonopsia.co.uk
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I gave this new mixalbum by R. Hawtin a few good listenings over the past few days and i do not know what to think of it. He did a great job in cutting, pasting, mixing, morphing and restructuring all the trakcs and putting them togeheter again But i cannot get rid of the feeling that it all sounds a bit dull and sometimes boring...i mean it just goes on and on in the same Tempo, and there's clicks, hicks and ticks everywhere but i do miss some peakpoint stuff...As said, great job in what he did and the way it's been put together but some more action would have made it more exciting for me. Do some of u have any thoughts on this mix??? Martijn
