Re: (313) Techno influence on db
On Nov 19, 2004, at 10:08 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and then offshore recordings came in to save the day. 2004 drum and bass that sounds like all the best of 1996 without sounding retro in any way. http://www.breakbeatscience.com/41672.html Ah, my LA homeboy Pieter K is on this. No wonder it's good :) just was listening to dieselboy's old 95-96 tapes last night, the stuff that got me into jungle and dance music in the first place. that stuff is just so brilliant. Yup. I remember the early days of Jungle, where every record seemed like it was The snares! The snares!!! MAKE IT STOP!. The MC's that would ... never ... shut ... up ... ? It drove me crazy, hated it. Tech-Step? Sawtooth waveforms? Dark, heavy bass? Less snares, less filling? Yes please. and yes, i blame angry white people for techstep. This I don't get. I don't recall any all-night frat-boy Tech-Step parties in LA, just people like Ed Rush, Optical, Dom, and so on coming through town fairly regularly (LA may be lame, but it's always been a big D'n'B town), and a lot of good parties. Maybe it's a regional thang ... - Greg
(313) Techno influence on db
Found this on the BBC 1Xtra site. Haven't checked the stream yet but the tracklisting looks promising :) Marcus Intellex Calibre The Basement, 1Xtra 9 November 2004 http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio/aod/rpms/1xtra_basement26.rpm Donald Byrd - 'Miss Kane' (Blue Note) Galaxy 2 Galaxy - 'Journey of the Dragons'(Underground Resistance) Kenny Larkin - 'Funk in Space' (Warp) Autecare - 'Incunabula' (Warp) Brian Eno - 'Partical Zoom' (WEA) Trans Global Underground - 'Shimmer'(Nation) Candese - 'You Took My Love' (Jumpin Pumpin) Mental Cube - 'So This Is Love' (Jumpin Jumpin) Aphex Twin - 'X-Tal' (Apollo) Orbital - 'Belfast' (Internal) Santana - 'Canto De Los Flores' (CBS) Carl Craig - 'Oscillator' (Retro Active) Rhythm is Rhythm - 'It Is What It Is' (Transmat) Cool Calm Collective - 'Nervous Acid' (Desire) LFO - 'LFO' (Warp) Guy Called Gerald - 'Voodoo Ram' (RHAM) Reel 2 Reel - 'We R I.E.' (I.E. Records) Mr Fingers - 'Stars' (Black Market) Kevin Reese Saunderon - 'Just Want Another Chance' (white) R Tyme - 'R Theme' (Big Life) Fallout - 'The Morning After' (Azuli) N.O.W. - 'Aftermath' (Warp) Frequency - 'Kiss The Sky' (Lower East Side Records) 808 State - 'Pacific State' (ZTT)
Re: (313) Techno influence on db
One of the strange miracles of dance music is how Just Want Another Chance spawned an entire dead-end genre, techstep. Don't mean to ignite any flamewars with techstep fans here, but as brilliant and prefigurative as those early Reese records are, one bassline snippet only goes so far. I really enjoyed techstep when it got started, it added nice flavor to a set, but when you started hearing hour after hour of nothing- but from the crew-of-the-moment DJs, it wore out quickly. I feel kind of bad about saying that because the Another Chance bassline really is cool, but the dominance of techstep in 1998-99 cut off the air supply of a lot of other related genres, and I pretty much stopped playing any of it despite DJing jungle/db since early 1994 when Original Nuttah and Omni Trio finally hit the west coast. There's noone to blame for it, really, certainly not Ed Rush, Optical, Nico and the other originators of this, who had a lot of really creative stuff at the beginning and not surprisingly mined the sound for all it was worth. But then there were a thousand imitators It's just one of those trends that smothered itself. -- fh
Re: (313) Techno influence on db
Marcus Intellex Calibre The Basement, 1Xtra 9 November 2004 Yo Yo Yo Marcus is from Manchester, and has always been heavy into his detroit techno. (from the early days) Top lad as well. Real nice fella. Alex _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
I agree 99% with everything you said,,:) The only thing that I beg to differ with is that there's no one to blame. I believe the gluten of those easily produced copy-cat records were the cause. I too enjoyed techstep when it first came out, But I also remember that, once upon a time, it used to be the smallest selection in the records stores. The sub-genre used to only included the top notch producers in d-n-b. With the ease of sample based sequencer software and hordes of TECHSTEP samples being available, every below average djing crew in America started releasing records. Then the upper-class but angry youth of EDM finally had a music they can relate to, something they can be aggressive to, something they can bob their head and flaunt their masculinity to, Something they can finally flaunt there hip-hop posing to. And most importantly something they themselves can go home and produce without having to think too much. With all of that, we get the epidemic of the all night long tech-step parties. I stopped listening to dnb and thought artist like 4 hero and Photek with their more minimal style of production were a closer tie to Detroit techno. Besides both of those artist state D-town as an influence. But Then 4 hero evolved and started doing more abstract jazz and RB and Photek, for whatever reason, gave up the fight and started producing the very same tech-step that he spoke out against in the late 90's. Go figure. Ja'Maul Redmond 1100 S. Tryon St. Suite 300, Charlotte, NC 28203 t: 704.343.9900 f:704.343. www.perkinswill.com Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno influence on db One of the strange miracles of dance music is how Just Want Another Chance spawned an entire dead-end genre, techstep. Don't mean to ignite any flamewars with techstep fans here, but as brilliant and prefigurative as those early Reese records are, one bassline snippet only goes so far. I really enjoyed techstep when it got started, it added nice flavor to a set, but when you started hearing hour after hour of nothing- but from the crew-of-the-moment DJs, it wore out quickly. I feel kind of bad about saying that because the Another Chance bassline really is cool, but the dominance of techstep in 1998-99 cut off the air supply of a lot of other related genres, and I pretty much stopped playing any of it despite DJing jungle/db since early 1994 when Original Nuttah and Omni Trio finally hit the west coast. There's noone to blame for it, really, certainly not Ed Rush, Optical, Nico and the other originators of this, who had a lot of really creative stuff at the beginning and not surprisingly mined the sound for all it was worth. But then there were a thousand imitators It's just one of those trends that smothered itself. -- fh
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
Photek, for whatever reason, gave up the fight and started producing the very same tech-step that he spoke out against in the late 90's cough cough enviroments and people you work with change all the time, and perhaps people who worked together at certain times influenced and inspired certain people and then they weren't around any more, and they weren't as inspired any more. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
and then offshore recordings came in to save the day. 2004 drum and bass that sounds like all the best of 1996 without sounding retro in any way. http://www.breakbeatscience.com/41672.html this mix is by the cat who owns that label. the mix is deep, and very fresh sounding but with all the good elements of drum and bass, as if the past 8 years never happened. and if youre like me, this is what you wish for every morning (at least in reference to drum and bass ;). just was listening to dieselboy's old 95-96 tapes last night, the stuff that got me into jungle and dance music in the first place. that stuff is just so brilliant. and yes, i blame angry white people for techstep. tom -- Original Message -- From: Redmond, Ja'Maul [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 09:51:39 -0500 I agree 99% with everything you said,,:) The only thing that I beg to differ with is that there's no one to blame. I believe the gluten of those easily produced copy-cat records were the cause. I too enjoyed techstep when it first came out, But I also remember that, once upon a time, it used to be the smallest selection in the records stores. The sub-genre used to only included the top notch producers in d-n-b. With the ease of sample based sequencer software and hordes of TECHSTEP samples being available, every below average djing crew in America started releasing records. Then the upper-class but angry youth of EDM finally had a music they can relate to, something they can be aggressive to, something they can bob their head and flaunt their masculinity to, Something they can finally flaunt there hip- hop posing to. And most importantly something they themselves can go home and produce without having to think too much. With all of that, we get the epidemic of the all night long tech-step parties. I stopped listening to dnb and thought artist like 4 hero and Photek with their more minimal style of production were a closer tie to Detroit techno. Besides both of those artist state D-town as an influence. But Then 4 hero evolved and started doing more abstract jazz and RB and Photek, for whatever reason, gave up the fight and started producing the very same tech-step that he spoke out against in the late 90's. Go figure. Ja'Maul Redmond 1100 S. Tryon St. Suite 300, Charlotte, NC 28203 t: 704.343.9900 f:704.343. www.perkinswill.com Perkins+Will. Ideas + buildings that honor the broader goals of society -Original Message- From: Fred Heutte [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:41 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Subject: Re: (313) Techno influence on db One of the strange miracles of dance music is how Just Want Another Chance spawned an entire dead-end genre, techstep. Don't mean to ignite any flamewars with techstep fans here, but as brilliant and prefigurative as those early Reese records are, one bassline snippet only goes so far. I really enjoyed techstep when it got started, it added nice flavor to a set, but when you started hearing hour after hour of nothing- but from the crew-of-the-moment DJs, it wore out quickly. I feel kind of bad about saying that because the Another Chance bassline really is cool, but the dominance of techstep in 1998-99 cut off the air supply of a lot of other related genres, and I pretty much stopped playing any of it despite DJing jungle/db since early 1994 when Original Nuttah and Omni Trio finally hit the west coast. There's noone to blame for it, really, certainly not Ed Rush, Optical, Nico and the other originators of this, who had a lot of really creative stuff at the beginning and not surprisingly mined the sound for all it was worth. But then there were a thousand imitators It's just one of those trends that smothered itself. -- fh andythepooh.com
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
exacltly Alex and Photek's earlier stuff is outstanding, so I forgive him... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 11/19/2004 2:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno influence on db Photek, for whatever reason, gave up the fight and started producing the very same tech-step that he spoke out against in the late 90's cough cough enviroments and people you work with change all the time, and perhaps people who worked together at certain times influenced and inspired certain people and then they weren't around any more, and they weren't as inspired any more. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
ahhh yes good choice Gav... -Original Message- From: Gavin Daruvalla [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 11/19/2004 3:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno influence on db Mine to give. F*cK1n6 cla551c -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19 November 2004 15:16 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 313@hyperreal.org Subject: RE: (313) Techno influence on db exacltly Alex and Photek's earlier stuff is outstanding, so I forgive him... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Fri 11/19/2004 2:56 PM To: 313@hyperreal.org Cc: Subject: RE: (313) Techno influence on db Photek, for whatever reason, gave up the fight and started producing the very same tech-step that he spoke out against in the late 90's cough cough enviroments and people you work with change all the time, and perhaps people who worked together at certain times influenced and inspired certain people and then they weren't around any more, and they weren't as inspired any more. _ - End of message text This e-mail is sent by the above named in their individual, non-business capacity and is not on behalf of PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP. PricewaterhouseCoopers LLP may monitor outgoing and incoming e-mails and other telecommunications on its e-mail and telecommunications systems. By replying to this e-mail you give your consent to such monitoring.
RE: (313) Techno influence on db
Mine to give. F*cK1n6 cla551c Heh, heh, was sorting records out last night for my gig Saturday and happened to dig that out and put it in my box. So reading this today gives me a kind of warm glow of anticipation. Cheers Gavin!
